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Posted to user@openmeetings.apache.org by Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org> on 2020/12/01 11:22:10 UTC
Re: Disabling captcha?
I am with it :-)
On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes for it
> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary
> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>
> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>
>
> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> Well,
>>
>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>
>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary
>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>> <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>>
>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like
>> ours :-)
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> Hello Robert,
>>>
>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas
>>> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>
>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the
>>> password? The images are often difficult to read, and
>>> many users have to reset the captcha image a few times,
>>> till they finally get it.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik
>>> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell
>>> me WDYT?
>>>
>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2561
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 11:48, Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
> there is plenty of time
> even JIRA is not created :))
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 11:43, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, you may use it for Farsi and Urdu as well.
>>
>> 05D0-05EA for Hebrew
>>
>> But, give me some time for 'Kurdish' as users are mostly using 'Kurdish
>> Sorani' and not 'Kurdish Kurmanji'
>>
>> On 12/10/20 6:55 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>
>> Is it for Arabic only? (maybe it also will work for Persian) ?
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 10:33, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 0627-063A
>>>
>>> This the common range as other characters are scattered in the table and
>>> can not be in one range...
>>>
>>> https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0600.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/10/20 6:21 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>
>>> please re-read my post
>>>
>>> especially this part:
>>> *If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
>>> range specific to your language*
>>> *NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter
>>> should be less than code for the second one*
>>> *codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>> <http://www.unicode.org/charts/>*
>>>
>>> For Arabic the above mean:
>>> 1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>> 2) choose `Arabic`
>>> 3) send me the range for ex:
>>> start (code 0621) ء
>>> end (code 064A) ي
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
>>> so you can do this change later on for your local installation
>>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users,
>>>> first, they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept does not
>>>> exist in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?
>>>> On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> the plan will be:
>>>> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
>>>> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>>>>
>>>> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
>>>> range specific to your language
>>>> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter
>>>> should be less than code for the second one
>>>> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and
>>>>> informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well,
>>>>>> the info text is just a label, site admin can re-translate/customize
>>>>>> it (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Additionally we might add `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to
>>>>>> every language here
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>>>>>
>>>>>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of
>>>>>>> our friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> English is a fun language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small
>>>>>>>>> ones?
>>>>>>>>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English
>>>>>>>>> letters 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem
>>>>>>>>>> with using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that
>>>>>>>>>> the characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>>>>>>>>>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>>>>>>>>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>>>>>>>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>>>>>>>>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have
>>>>>>>>>> patience, highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time
>>>>>>>>>> pressure to enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the
>>>>>>>>>> very last minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine
>>>>>>>>>>> alphabet by language
>>>>>>>>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>>>>>>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the
>>>>>>>>>>> captcha?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change
>>>>>>>>>>>> password'
>>>>>>>>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>>>>>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>>>>>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English
>>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough
>>>>>>>>>>>> votes for it
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>>>>>>>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> password? The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> reset the captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>>>>>>>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me
>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
there is plenty of time
even JIRA is not created :))
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 11:43, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
wrote:
> Yes, you may use it for Farsi and Urdu as well.
>
> 05D0-05EA for Hebrew
>
> But, give me some time for 'Kurdish' as users are mostly using 'Kurdish
> Sorani' and not 'Kurdish Kurmanji'
>
> On 12/10/20 6:55 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>
> Is it for Arabic only? (maybe it also will work for Persian) ?
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 10:33, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
> wrote:
>
>> 0627-063A
>>
>> This the common range as other characters are scattered in the table and
>> can not be in one range...
>>
>> https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0600.pdf
>>
>>
>> On 12/10/20 6:21 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>
>> please re-read my post
>>
>> especially this part:
>> *If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
>> range specific to your language*
>> *NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should
>> be less than code for the second one*
>> *codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>> <http://www.unicode.org/charts/>*
>>
>> For Arabic the above mean:
>> 1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>> 2) choose `Arabic`
>> 3) send me the range for ex:
>> start (code 0621) ء
>> end (code 064A) ي
>>
>>
>> I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
>> so you can do this change later on for your local installation
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users, first,
>>> they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept does not exist
>>> in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?
>>> On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> the plan will be:
>>> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
>>> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>>>
>>> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
>>> range specific to your language
>>> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should
>>> be less than code for the second one
>>> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and
>>>> informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well,
>>>>> the info text is just a label, site admin can re-translate/customize
>>>>> it (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>>>>>
>>>>> Additionally we might add `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to
>>>>> every language here
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>>>>
>>>>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of
>>>>>> our friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> English is a fun language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small
>>>>>>>> ones?
>>>>>>>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English
>>>>>>>> letters 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem
>>>>>>>>> with using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that
>>>>>>>>> the characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>>>>>>>>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>>>>>>>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>>>>>>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>>>>>>>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have
>>>>>>>>> patience, highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time
>>>>>>>>> pressure to enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the
>>>>>>>>> very last minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine
>>>>>>>>>> alphabet by language
>>>>>>>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>>>>>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>>>>>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change
>>>>>>>>>>> password'
>>>>>>>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>>>>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>>>>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English
>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough
>>>>>>>>>>> votes for it
>>>>>>>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>>>>>>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the
>>>>>>>>>>> password? The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to
>>>>>>>>>>> reset the captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>>>>>>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me
>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>.
Yes, you may use it for Farsi and Urdu as well.
05D0-05EA for Hebrew
But, give me some time for 'Kurdish' as users are mostly using 'Kurdish
Sorani' and not 'Kurdish Kurmanji'
On 12/10/20 6:55 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> Is it for Arabic only? (maybe it also will work for Persian) ?
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 10:33, Ali Alhaidary
> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>
> 0627-063A
>
> This the common range as other characters are scattered in the
> table and can not be in one range...
>
> https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0600.pdf
>
>
> On 12/10/20 6:21 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> please re-read my post
>>
>> especially this part:
>> *If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me
>> the range specific to your language*
>> *NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first
>> letter should be less than code for the second one*
>> *codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/*
>>
>> For Arabic the above mean:
>> 1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>> 2) choose `Arabic`
>> 3) send me the range for ex:
>> start (code 0621) ء
>> end (code 064A) ي
>>
>>
>> I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
>> so you can do this change later on for your local installation
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary
>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>> <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>>
>> unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many
>> users, first, they do not use Latin characters, second,
>> 'capital' concept does not exist in their alphabets. can it
>> be only numerals '0-9' ?
>>
>> On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> the plan will be:
>>> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
>>> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>>>
>>> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send
>>> me the range specific to your language
>>> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first
>>> letter should be less than code for the second one
>>> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas
>>> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital
>>> letters and informing the user accordingly is a
>>> fantastic idea.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik
>>> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well,
>>> the info text is just a label, site admin can
>>> re-translate/customize it (upgrade might be an issue
>>> here ...)
>>>
>>> Additionally we might add
>>> `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to every
>>> language here
>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>>
>>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an
>>> issue ...)
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas
>>> <robsavickas@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just realized that I should offer this
>>> clarification for some of our friends, to avoid
>>> any misunderstandings:
>>>
>>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>>
>>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>>
>>> English is a fun language.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas
>>> <robsavickas@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik
>>> <solomax666@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be
>>> used instead of small ones?
>>> And maybe there will be text like:
>>> Captcha consist of English letters 'A' -
>>> 'Z' only ....
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert
>>> Savickas <robsavickas@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Friends,
>>>
>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin
>>> alfabets, have no problem with using
>>> Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>
>>> My current problem with the captcha,
>>> shared by my users is that the
>>> characters are often hard to
>>> recognize. Capital I vesus small l.
>>> Or capital I verus ]. Or m versus n.
>>> Or g versus q. Often, the letters
>>> are sufficiently deformed so as to
>>> be difficult not only to Robot, but
>>> also to Robert and other humans to
>>> distinguish. As a result, several
>>> captchas are often needed till a
>>> person can get it.
>>>
>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for
>>> teaching folks how to have patience,
>>> highly recommended. But sometimes,
>>> folks are under the time pressure to
>>> enter the meeting (now, why do they
>>> try to connect only in the very last
>>> minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim
>>> Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> the bad news: there seems to be
>>> no universal way to determine
>>> alphabet by language
>>> the ugly news: there are
>>> languages without alphabet ....
>>>
>>> start and end character can be
>>> manually specified here
>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>
>>>
>>> Another option might be to made
>>> this range _optional_
>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if
>>> else is not specified ....
>>> Not sure is someone will bother
>>> to specify different range ...
>>>
>>> but I'm not sure how good is
>>> this idea :(((
>>>
>>> @Robert what kind of
>>> difficulties your user have with
>>> the captcha?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali
>>> Alhaidary
>>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We can write the language
>>> name on the 'new user' or
>>> 'change password'
>>> screens ...
>>>
>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim
>>> Solodovnik wrote:
>>> > It is definitely can be
>>> localized
>>> > unfortunately this might
>>> lead to issues with guessing
>>> the text
>>> > for ex. many letters in
>>> Russian looks exactly as in
>>> English but the
>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at
>>> 19:05, Ali Alhaidary
>>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> If no votes are
>>> collected, can we localize it?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali
>>> Alhaidary wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Any more votes?
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali
>>> Alhaidary wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim
>>> Solodovnik wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> And as usual I'll add
>>> such switch if there will be
>>> enough votes for it
>>> >> while I, personally, will
>>> not recommend to use it
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at
>>> 13:14, Ali Alhaidary
>>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> True, one can not always
>>> get what he loves :-)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM,
>>> Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Well,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of
>>> such "enhancements"
>>> >>> with all these options
>>> password "can be 'qwerty'
>>> again" ....
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at
>>> 12:58, Ali Alhaidary
>>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> I would love it to be
>>> an option like caps and
>>> special characters,
>>> especially with the
>>> difficulty of RTL users like
>>> ours :-)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM,
>>> Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> it is currently
>>> impossible without code
>>> modification
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at
>>> 14:37, Robert Savickas
>>> <robsavickas@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Is there a way to
>>> disable captcha when
>>> changing the password? The
>>> images are often difficult
>>> to read, and many users have
>>> to reset the captcha image a
>>> few times, till they finally
>>> get it.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>> >>>>> Robert
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020,
>>> 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik
>>> <solomax666@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I have added
>>> notifications to OM (as part
>>> of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>> >>>>>> Could you please
>>> take a look at demo-next and
>>> tell me WDYT?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be
>>> improved somehow?
>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything
>>> else :)
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>> Maxim
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Best regards,
>>> >>> Maxim
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Best regards,
>>> >> Maxim
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Is it for Arabic only? (maybe it also will work for Persian) ?
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 10:33, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
wrote:
> 0627-063A
>
> This the common range as other characters are scattered in the table and
> can not be in one range...
>
> https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0600.pdf
>
>
> On 12/10/20 6:21 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>
> please re-read my post
>
> especially this part:
> *If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the range
> specific to your language*
> *NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should
> be less than code for the second one*
> *codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
> <http://www.unicode.org/charts/>*
>
> For Arabic the above mean:
> 1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
> 2) choose `Arabic`
> 3) send me the range for ex:
> start (code 0621) ء
> end (code 064A) ي
>
>
> I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
> so you can do this change later on for your local installation
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
> wrote:
>
>> unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users, first,
>> they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept does not exist
>> in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?
>> On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> the plan will be:
>> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
>> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>>
>> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the range
>> specific to your language
>> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should
>> be less than code for the second one
>> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> [1]
>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and
>>> informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well,
>>>> the info text is just a label, site admin can re-translate/customize it
>>>> (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>>>>
>>>> Additionally we might add `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to
>>>> every language here
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>>>
>>>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
>>>> WDYT?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of our
>>>>> friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>>>>>
>>>>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>>>>
>>>>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>>>>
>>>>> English is a fun language.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small ones?
>>>>>>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English
>>>>>>> letters 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem with
>>>>>>>> using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that the
>>>>>>>> characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>>>>>>>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>>>>>>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>>>>>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>>>>>>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have
>>>>>>>> patience, highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time
>>>>>>>> pressure to enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the
>>>>>>>> very last minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine
>>>>>>>>> alphabet by language
>>>>>>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>>>>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>>>>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change
>>>>>>>>>> password'
>>>>>>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>>>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>>>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough
>>>>>>>>>> votes for it
>>>>>>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>>>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>>>>>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the
>>>>>>>>>> password? The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to
>>>>>>>>>> reset the captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>>>>>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me
>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>.
0627-063A
This the common range as other characters are scattered in the table and
can not be in one range...
https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0600.pdf
On 12/10/20 6:21 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> please re-read my post
>
> especially this part:
> *If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
> range specific to your language*
> *NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter
> should be less than code for the second one*
> *codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/*
>
> For Arabic the above mean:
> 1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
> 2) choose `Arabic`
> 3) send me the range for ex:
> start (code 0621) ء
> end (code 064A) ي
>
>
> I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
> so you can do this change later on for your local installation
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary
> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>
> unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users,
> first, they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept
> does not exist in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?
>
> On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> the plan will be:
>> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
>> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>>
>> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me
>> the range specific to your language
>> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter
>> should be less than code for the second one
>> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> [1]
>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas
>> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters
>> and informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik
>> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Well,
>> the info text is just a label, site admin can
>> re-translate/customize it (upgrade might be an issue here
>> ...)
>>
>> Additionally we might add
>> `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to every language
>> here
>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>
>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an
>> issue ...)
>> WDYT?
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas
>> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I just realized that I should offer this
>> clarification for some of our friends, to avoid any
>> misunderstandings:
>>
>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>
>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>
>> English is a fun language.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas
>> <robsavickas@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik
>> <solomax666@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used
>> instead of small ones?
>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha
>> consist of English letters 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas
>> <robsavickas@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin
>> alfabets, have no problem with using
>> Latin letters in the captcha.
>>
>> My current problem with the captcha,
>> shared by my users is that the characters
>> are often hard to recognize. Capital I
>> vesus small l. Or capital I verus ]. Or
>> m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the
>> letters are sufficiently deformed so as
>> to be difficult not only to Robot, but
>> also to Robert and other humans to
>> distinguish. As a result, several
>> captchas are often needed till a person
>> can get it.
>>
>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for
>> teaching folks how to have patience,
>> highly recommended. But sometimes, folks
>> are under the time pressure to enter the
>> meeting (now, why do they try to connect
>> only in the very last minute, that's a
>> separate question)...
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim
>> Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> the bad news: there seems to be no
>> universal way to determine alphabet
>> by language
>> the ugly news: there are languages
>> without alphabet ....
>>
>> start and end character can be
>> manually specified here
>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>
>>
>> Another option might be to made this
>> range _optional_
>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is
>> not specified ....
>> Not sure is someone will bother to
>> specify different range ...
>>
>> but I'm not sure how good is this
>> idea :(((
>>
>> @Robert what kind of difficulties
>> your user have with the captcha?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali
>> Alhaidary
>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We can write the language name on
>> the 'new user' or 'change password'
>> screens ...
>>
>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim
>> Solodovnik wrote:
>> > It is definitely can be localized
>> > unfortunately this might lead
>> to issues with guessing the text
>> > for ex. many letters in Russian
>> looks exactly as in English but the
>> > text will not be equal :((
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05,
>> Ali Alhaidary
>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>> wrote:
>> >> If no votes are collected, can
>> we localize it?
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali
>> Alhaidary wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Any more votes?
>> >>
>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali
>> Alhaidary wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am with it :-)
>> >>
>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim
>> Solodovnik wrote:
>> >>
>> >> And as usual I'll add such
>> switch if there will be enough
>> votes for it
>> >> while I, personally, will not
>> recommend to use it
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14,
>> Ali Alhaidary
>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>> wrote:
>> >>> True, one can not always get
>> what he loves :-)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim
>> Solodovnik wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Well,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such
>> "enhancements"
>> >>> with all these options
>> password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58,
>> Ali Alhaidary
>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> I would love it to be an
>> option like caps and special
>> characters, especially with the
>> difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim
>> Solodovnik wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> it is currently impossible
>> without code modification
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at
>> 14:37, Robert Savickas
>> <robsavickas@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable
>> captcha when changing the
>> password? The images are often
>> difficult to read, and many users
>> have to reset the captcha image a
>> few times, till they finally get it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>> Robert
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15
>> Maxim Solodovnik
>> <solomax666@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I have added notifications
>> to OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>> >>>>>> Could you please take a
>> look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> maybe it should be
>> improved somehow?
>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>> Maxim
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Best regards,
>> >>>> Maxim
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>> Maxim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Maxim
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
please re-read my post
especially this part:
*If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the range
specific to your language*
*NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should
be less than code for the second one*
*codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
<http://www.unicode.org/charts/>*
For Arabic the above mean:
1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
2) choose `Arabic`
3) send me the range for ex:
start (code 0621) ء
end (code 064A) ي
I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
so you can do this change later on for your local installation
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
wrote:
> unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users, first,
> they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept does not exist
> in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?
> On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> the plan will be:
> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>
> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the range
> specific to your language
> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should
> be less than code for the second one
> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and
>> informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well,
>>> the info text is just a label, site admin can re-translate/customize it
>>> (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>>>
>>> Additionally we might add `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to
>>> every language here
>>>
>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>>
>>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of our
>>>> friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>>>>
>>>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>>>
>>>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>>>
>>>> English is a fun language.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small ones?
>>>>>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English letters
>>>>>> 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem with
>>>>>>> using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that the
>>>>>>> characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>>>>>>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>>>>>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>>>>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>>>>>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have
>>>>>>> patience, highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time
>>>>>>> pressure to enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the
>>>>>>> very last minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine
>>>>>>>> alphabet by language
>>>>>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>>>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>>>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change
>>>>>>>>> password'
>>>>>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes
>>>>>>>>> for it
>>>>>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>>>>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the
>>>>>>>>> password? The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to
>>>>>>>>> reset the captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>>>>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> >> Maxim
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>.
unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users, first,
they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept does not
exist in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?
On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> the plan will be:
> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>
> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
> range specific to your language
> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter
> should be less than code for the second one
> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <robsavickas@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and
> informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Well,
> the info text is just a label, site admin can
> re-translate/customize it (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>
> Additionally we might add
> `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to every language here
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>
> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
> WDYT?
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas
> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for
> some of our friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>
> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>
> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>
> English is a fun language.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas
> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik
> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Would it help if Capital letters will be used
> instead of small ones?
> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist
> of English letters 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas
> <robsavickas@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets,
> have no problem with using Latin letters in
> the captcha.
>
> My current problem with the captcha, shared by
> my users is that the characters are often hard
> to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus
> q. Often, the letters are sufficiently
> deformed so as to be difficult not only to
> Robot, but also to Robert and other humans to
> distinguish. As a result, several captchas
> are often needed till a person can get it.
>
> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching
> folks how to have patience, highly
> recommended. But sometimes, folks are under
> the time pressure to enter the meeting (now,
> why do they try to connect only in the very
> last minute, that's a separate question)...
>
> Thank you.
> Robert
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik
> <solomax666@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> the bad news: there seems to be no
> universal way to determine alphabet by
> language
> the ugly news: there are languages without
> alphabet ....
>
> start and end character can be manually
> specified here
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>
>
> Another option might be to made this range
> _optional_
> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not
> specified ....
> Not sure is someone will bother to specify
> different range ...
>
> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>
> @Robert what kind of difficulties your
> user have with the captcha?
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary
> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
> <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>
> We can write the language name on the
> 'new user' or 'change password'
> screens ...
>
> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik
> wrote:
> > It is definitely can be localized
> > unfortunately this might lead to
> issues with guessing the text
> > for ex. many letters in Russian
> looks exactly as in English but the
> > text will not be equal :((
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali
> Alhaidary <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
> wrote:
> >> If no votes are collected, can we
> localize it?
> >>
> >>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Any more votes?
> >>
> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am with it :-)
> >>
> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim
> Solodovnik wrote:
> >>
> >> And as usual I'll add such switch
> if there will be enough votes for it
> >> while I, personally, will not
> recommend to use it
> >>
> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali
> Alhaidary <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
> wrote:
> >>> True, one can not always get what
> he loves :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim
> Solodovnik wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well,
> >>>
> >>> I'm not a big fan of such
> "enhancements"
> >>> with all these options password
> "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali
> Alhaidary <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
> wrote:
> >>>> I would love it to be an option
> like caps and special characters,
> especially with the difficulty of RTL
> users like ours :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim
> Solodovnik wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Robert,
> >>>>
> >>>> it is currently impossible
> without code modification
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37,
> Robert Savickas <robsavickas@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there a way to disable
> captcha when changing the password?
> The images are often difficult to
> read, and many users have to reset the
> captcha image a few times, till they
> finally get it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you.
> >>>>> Robert
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15
> Maxim Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have added notifications to
> OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
> >>>>>> Could you please take a look
> at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved
> somehow?
> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Maxim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> Maxim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Maxim
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Maxim
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
[ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Hello All,
the plan will be:
1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the range
specific to your language
NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should be
less than code for the second one
codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
Thanks in advance
[1]
https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and informing
> the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well,
>> the info text is just a label, site admin can re-translate/customize it
>> (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>>
>> Additionally we might add `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to
>> every language here
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>
>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
>> WDYT?
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of our
>>> friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>>>
>>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>>
>>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>>
>>> English is a fun language.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small ones?
>>>>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English letters
>>>>> 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem with
>>>>>> using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that the
>>>>>> characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>>>>>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>>>>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>>>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>>>>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have
>>>>>> patience, highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time
>>>>>> pressure to enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the
>>>>>> very last minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine
>>>>>>> alphabet by language
>>>>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change
>>>>>>>> password'
>>>>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes
>>>>>>>> for it
>>>>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>>>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the password?
>>>>>>>> The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to reset the
>>>>>>>> captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>>>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> >> Maxim
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: Disabling captcha?
Posted by Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>.
Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and informing
the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well,
> the info text is just a label, site admin can re-translate/customize it
> (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>
> Additionally we might add `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to every
> language here
>
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>
> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
> WDYT?
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of our
>> friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>>
>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>
>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>
>> English is a fun language.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small ones?
>>>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English letters
>>>> 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem with
>>>>> using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>>>
>>>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that the
>>>>> characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>>>>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>>>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>>>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have
>>>>> patience, highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time
>>>>> pressure to enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the
>>>>> very last minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine
>>>>>> alphabet by language
>>>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change
>>>>>>> password'
>>>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but the
>>>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes
>>>>>>> for it
>>>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the password?
>>>>>>> The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to reset the
>>>>>>> captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>>>> >> Maxim
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
Re: Disabling captcha?
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Well,
the info text is just a label, site admin can re-translate/customize it
(upgrade might be an issue here ...)
Additionally we might add `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to every
language here
https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
WDYT?
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of our
> friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>
> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>
> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>
> English is a fun language.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small ones?
>>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English letters
>>> 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>
>>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem with
>>>> using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>>
>>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that the
>>>> characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>>>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>>
>>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have patience,
>>>> highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time pressure to
>>>> enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the very last
>>>> minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine alphabet
>>>>> by language
>>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>>
>>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>
>>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>>
>>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>>
>>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change password'
>>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but the
>>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes
>>>>>> for it
>>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the password?
>>>>>> The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to reset the
>>>>>> captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>>> >> Maxim
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: Disabling captcha?
Posted by Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>.
I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of our
friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
"terrific" means "wonderful"
"terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
English is a fun language.
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small ones?
>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English letters 'A'
>> - 'Z' only ....
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Friends,
>>>
>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem with
>>> using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>
>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that the
>>> characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>
>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have patience,
>>> highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time pressure to
>>> enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the very last
>>> minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine alphabet
>>>> by language
>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>
>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>
>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>
>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>
>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change password'
>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but the
>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes for
>>>>> it
>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special characters,
>>>>> especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the password?
>>>>> The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to reset the
>>>>> captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> --
>>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>> >> Maxim
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>
Re: Disabling captcha?
Posted by Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>.
Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small ones?
> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English letters 'A'
> - 'Z' only ....
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem with using
>> Latin letters in the captcha.
>>
>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that the
>> characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>
>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have patience,
>> highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time pressure to
>> enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the very last
>> minute, that's a separate question)...
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine alphabet
>>> by language
>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>
>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>
>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>
>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>
>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change password'
>>>> screens ...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but the
>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes for
>>>> it
>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Well,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special characters,
>>>> especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the password? The
>>>> images are often difficult to read, and many users have to reset the
>>>> captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> --
>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>> >> Maxim
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
Re: Disabling captcha?
Posted by Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>.
Hi,
This could be very confusing to many languages, especially to RTL, non
Latin and languages that do not have capital letters as putting such
note (Captcha consist of English letters 'A' - 'Z' only) will not be
vary understandable for them ('A' -'Z' would seem to them as 'a' - 'z')
as they do not have the concept of capital letters even if they do have
the Latin keyboard installed.
Ali
On 12/4/20 8:39 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small ones?
> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English letters
> 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <robsavickas@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem
> with using Latin letters in the captcha.
>
> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that
> the characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small
> l. Or capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often,
> the letters are sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not
> only to Robot, but also to Robert and other humans to
> distinguish. As a result, several captchas are often needed till
> a person can get it.
>
> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have
> patience, highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the
> time pressure to enter the meeting (now, why do they try to
> connect only in the very last minute, that's a separate question)...
>
> Thank you.
> Robert
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine
> alphabet by language
> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>
> start and end character can be manually specified here
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>
>
> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>
> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>
> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary
> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
> <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>
> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or
> 'change password'
> screens ...
>
> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> > It is definitely can be localized
> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing
> the text
> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in
> English but the
> > text will not be equal :((
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary
> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
> <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
> >>
> >>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
> >>
> >> Any more votes?
> >>
> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
> >>
> >> I am with it :-)
> >>
> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> >>
> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be
> enough votes for it
> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
> >>
> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary
> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
> <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well,
> >>>
> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty'
> again" ....
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary
> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
> <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users
> like ours :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Robert,
> >>>>
> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas
> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the
> password? The images are often difficult to read, and many
> users have to reset the captcha image a few times, till
> they finally get it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you.
> >>>>> Robert
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik
> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell
> me WDYT?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Maxim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> Maxim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Maxim
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Maxim
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
Re: Disabling captcha?
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small ones?
And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English letters 'A' -
'Z' only ....
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem with using
> Latin letters in the captcha.
>
> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that the
> characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
> often needed till a person can get it.
>
> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have patience,
> highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time pressure to
> enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the very last
> minute, that's a separate question)...
>
> Thank you.
> Robert
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine alphabet by
>> language
>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>
>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>
>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>
>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>
>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change password'
>>> screens ...
>>>
>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but the
>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Any more votes?
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes for it
>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Well,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special characters,
>>> especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the password? The
>>> images are often difficult to read, and many users have to reset the
>>> captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>> >>>>> Robert
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>> Maxim
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Best regards,
>>> >>> Maxim
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Best regards,
>>> >> Maxim
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: Disabling captcha?
Posted by Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>.
Dear Friends,
My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem with using
Latin letters in the captcha.
My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that the
characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
often needed till a person can get it.
Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have patience,
highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time pressure to
enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the very last
minute, that's a separate question)...
Thank you.
Robert
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine alphabet by
> language
> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>
> start and end character can be manually specified here
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>
> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>
> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>
> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
> wrote:
>
>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change password'
>> screens ...
>>
>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> > It is definitely can be localized
>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but the
>> > text will not be equal :((
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Any more votes?
>> >>
>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am with it :-)
>> >>
>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> >>
>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes for it
>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Well,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special characters,
>> especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the password? The
>> images are often difficult to read, and many users have to reset the
>> captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>> Robert
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>> Maxim
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Best regards,
>> >>>> Maxim
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>> Maxim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Maxim
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
Re: Disabling captcha?
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine alphabet by
language
the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
start and end character can be manually specified here
https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
Another option might be to made this range _optional_
so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
@Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
wrote:
> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change password'
> screens ...
>
> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> > It is definitely can be localized
> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but the
> > text will not be equal :((
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
> wrote:
> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
> >>
> >>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
> >>
> >> Any more votes?
> >>
> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
> >>
> >> I am with it :-)
> >>
> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> >>
> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes for it
> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
> >>
> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well,
> >>>
> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special characters,
> especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Robert,
> >>>>
> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the password? The
> images are often difficult to read, and many users have to reset the
> captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you.
> >>>>> Robert
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Maxim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> Maxim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Maxim
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Maxim
> >
> >
>
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: Disabling captcha?
Posted by Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>.
We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change password'
screens ...
On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> It is definitely can be localized
> unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
> for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but the
> text will not be equal :((
>
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org> wrote:
>> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>
>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>
>>
>> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>
>> Any more votes?
>>
>> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>
>> I am with it :-)
>>
>> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>
>> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes for it
>> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>
>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>
>>> Well,
>>>
>>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>
>>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the password? The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to reset the captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>
>
Re: Disabling captcha?
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
It is definitely can be localized
unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but the
text will not be equal :((
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org> wrote:
>
> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>
>
> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>
> Any more votes?
>
> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>
> I am with it :-)
>
> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>
> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes for it
> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>
>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>
>> Well,
>>
>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>
>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Robert,
>>>
>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the password? The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to reset the captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>>>>>
>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: Disabling captcha?
Posted by Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>.
If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>
> Any more votes?
>
> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>
>> I am with it :-)
>>
>> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes for it
>>> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary
>>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>> Well,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary
>>>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>>>> <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users
>>>> like ours :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>
>>>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas
>>>>> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the
>>>>> password? The images are often difficult to read, and
>>>>> many users have to reset the captcha image a few
>>>>> times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik
>>>>> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and
>>>>> tell me WDYT?
>>>>>
>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Maxim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
Re: Disabling captcha?
Posted by Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>.
Any more votes?
On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>
> I am with it :-)
>
> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes for it
>> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>
>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary
>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>>
>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> Well,
>>>
>>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary
>>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>>> <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like
>>> ours :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>
>>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas
>>>> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the
>>>> password? The images are often difficult to read, and
>>>> many users have to reset the captcha image a few times,
>>>> till they finally get it.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik
>>>> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell
>>>> me WDYT?
>>>>
>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim