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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Thiago Souza <ju...@superig.com.br> on 2004/01/14 08:53:52 UTC
Differences
Hi ppl,
What's the main difference between Struts, Tapestry and Turbine?
Thanks in advance!
Thiago Souza
Re: Differences
Posted by Thiago Souza <ju...@superig.com.br>.
Thanks!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>
To: "Jakarta General List" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Differences
> Approach.
>
> Use struts if you're using JSP
> Use Tapestry if you want to attach logic with div tags
> As for turbine....Cheshire cat grin...a lot of people use it with
velocity.
> Use Cocoon is you live breathe and die XML and don't mind the extreme joy
> that comes from writing web pages in XSLT with its user friendly regular
> expression-like syntax
>
>
> Yes struts can use things that aren't JSP but is not OPTIMAL for that.
> Tapestry is well pretty different (I make no bones that I like it best for
> webapps)
> Turbine ...Cheshire cat grin
> Cocoon can theoretically be a toaster if you configure it right, but has
the
> largest learning curve of the 4.
>
> I understand why you came here to ask this, but its not really a good
place
> to ask (its more of an administrative list). You'd be better going and
> asking each of the projects (who will probably send you links to their
> website). Generally these messages devolve into flamebait because each
> project feels very passionate about their approach (enough to devote real
> time to developing it in fact) so asking them all in a room together
"what's
> the difference" is well...often not pretty.
>
> --
> Andrew C. Oliver
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> everything espoused in the above email.
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> > From: "Thiago Souza" <ju...@superig.com.br>
> > Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:53:52 -0300
> > To: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Subject: Differences
> >
> > Hi ppl,
> >
> >
> > What's the main difference between Struts, Tapestry and Turbine?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> > Thiago Souza
> >
>
>
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RE: Differences
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> Perhaps once most of the Committers are on the PMC list, we can move
> the administrative nonsense there again, and let the General list be
> the General list again :)
As a side note, Roy just insisted that a vote to release a product from the
Incubator be moved from the PMC list to the general@ list. I am assuming to
perform that function in public. Perhaps you'd like a public admin@ list?
--- Noel
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Re: Differences
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@optonline.net>.
On Jan 14, 2004, at 7:08 PM, Ted Husted wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:00:31 -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>> I understand why you came here to ask this, but its not really a
>> good place to ask (its more of an administrative list). You'd be
>> better going and asking each of the projects (who will probably
>> send you links to their website). Generally these messages devolve
>> into flamebait because each project feels very passionate about
>> their approach (enough to devote real time to developing it in
>> fact) so asking them all in a room together "what's the difference"
>> is well...often not pretty.
>
> Actually, this used to be the place where people could ask questions
> like this, and chat about everything under the Java sun.
>
> A while back, we co-opted the General list for use as the PMC public
> list. And subscribes to General have been falling every since. Less
> than a third of what they once were.
>
> Perhaps once most of the Committers are on the PMC list, we can move
> the administrative nonsense there again, and let the General list be
> the General list again :)
+1
>
> -Ted.
>
>
>
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Re: Differences
Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@reverycodes.com>.
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
>The last "really good" (by some people's definition, I guess) flame war happened
>a couple of years ago ... and caused the subscription count on this list to
>drop from 4000 to 1500 in less than a month.
>
>
I wonder what that was? :-)
>It is currently 718.
>
>
Hope it will improve.
Vadim
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RIA experiences
Posted by Henri Gomez <hg...@apache.org>.
Hi to all,
I'm taking a serious look at Rich Internet Applications, and I'm
investigating using FlashMX as client.
Did some of you have some experiences on this ?
- Are you using native ASObject via projects like openamf
or just standard xmlrpc/soap to make client/servers comm ?
Advices are welcome :)
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Re: Differences
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
Quoting Vadim Gritsenko <va...@reverycodes.com>:
> Ted Husted wrote:
>
> >Perhaps once most of the Committers are on the PMC list, we can move the
> administrative nonsense there again, and let the General list be the General
> list again :)
> >
> >
>
> Looking forward to it. Do not remember when good flame worth reading
> last happened on this list.
>
The last "really good" (by some people's definition, I guess) flame war happened
a couple of years ago ... and caused the subscription count on this list to
drop from 4000 to 1500 in less than a month.
It is currently 718.
> Vadim
Craig McClanahan
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Re: Differences
Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@reverycodes.com>.
Ted Husted wrote:
>Perhaps once most of the Committers are on the PMC list, we can move the administrative nonsense there again, and let the General list be the General list again :)
>
>
Looking forward to it. Do not remember when good flame worth reading
last happened on this list.
Vadim
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Re: Differences
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:00:31 -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> I understand why you came here to ask this, but its not really a
> good place to ask (its more of an administrative list). You'd be
> better going and asking each of the projects (who will probably
> send you links to their website). Generally these messages devolve
> into flamebait because each project feels very passionate about
> their approach (enough to devote real time to developing it in
> fact) so asking them all in a room together "what's the difference"
> is well...often not pretty.
Actually, this used to be the place where people could ask questions like this, and chat about everything under the Java sun.
A while back, we co-opted the General list for use as the PMC public list. And subscribes to General have been falling every since. Less than a third of what they once were.
Perhaps once most of the Committers are on the PMC list, we can move the administrative nonsense there again, and let the General list be the General list again :)
-Ted.
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Re: Differences
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:00:31 -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> Yes struts can use things that aren't JSP but is not OPTIMAL for
> that.
Thanks to the Velocity Tools,
http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/tools/index.html
many people, including myself, find Struts and Velocity to be an optimal combination.
-Ted.
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Re: Differences
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
Approach.
Use struts if you're using JSP
Use Tapestry if you want to attach logic with div tags
As for turbine....Cheshire cat grin...a lot of people use it with velocity.
Use Cocoon is you live breathe and die XML and don't mind the extreme joy
that comes from writing web pages in XSLT with its user friendly regular
expression-like syntax
Yes struts can use things that aren't JSP but is not OPTIMAL for that.
Tapestry is well pretty different (I make no bones that I like it best for
webapps)
Turbine ...Cheshire cat grin
Cocoon can theoretically be a toaster if you configure it right, but has the
largest learning curve of the 4.
I understand why you came here to ask this, but its not really a good place
to ask (its more of an administrative list). You'd be better going and
asking each of the projects (who will probably send you links to their
website). Generally these messages devolve into flamebait because each
project feels very passionate about their approach (enough to devote real
time to developing it in fact) so asking them all in a room together "what's
the difference" is well...often not pretty.
--
Andrew C. Oliver
http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp
Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI
http://jakarta.apache.org/poi
For Java and Excel, Got POI?
The views expressed in this email are those of the author and are almost
definitely not shared by the Apache Software Foundation, its board or its
general membership. In fact they probably most definitively disagree with
everything espoused in the above email.
> From: "Thiago Souza" <ju...@superig.com.br>
> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:53:52 -0300
> To: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Subject: Differences
>
> Hi ppl,
>
>
> What's the main difference between Struts, Tapestry and Turbine?
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Thiago Souza
>
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