JK3 roadmap?

[jean-frederic clere <jf...@gmail.com>]

Hi,

I have noted that nothing has happened in tomcat/connectors/trunk/jk3.
Nearly 2 months without real road map nor clear specifications, what is 
wrong?

Cheers

Jean-Frederic

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Re: JK3 roadmap?

[Henri Gomez <he...@gmail.com>]

When I see the buzz to make mod_jk works on i5/OS, any initiative to
make jk fully APR, is greatly welcome !

2007/6/29, jean-frederic clere <jf...@gmail.com>:
> Jim Jagielski wrote:
> >
> > On Jun 27, 2007, at 11:27 AM, jean-frederic clere wrote:
> >
> >> Rainer Jung wrote:
> >>> Whenever I had a couple of hours I was doing small tests with scripting.
> >>>
> >>> I think the most valuable first step would be the transformation to APR.
> >>> Unfortunately this is something I could hekp with, but I wouldn't want
> >>> to lead, because my experience with APR programing is only medium.
> >>>
> >> APR-izing is something I am willing to do even to lead... (I am APR
> >> committer since 1999!)
> >
> >
> > Ummm... APR wasn't even created until Dec of 2000
>
> I am getting old ;-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Jean-Frederic
>
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Re: JK3 roadmap?

[jean-frederic clere <jf...@gmail.com>]

Jim Jagielski wrote:
> 
> On Jun 27, 2007, at 11:27 AM, jean-frederic clere wrote:
> 
>> Rainer Jung wrote:
>>> Whenever I had a couple of hours I was doing small tests with scripting.
>>>
>>> I think the most valuable first step would be the transformation to APR.
>>> Unfortunately this is something I could hekp with, but I wouldn't want
>>> to lead, because my experience with APR programing is only medium.
>>>
>> APR-izing is something I am willing to do even to lead... (I am APR 
>> committer since 1999!)
> 
> 
> Ummm... APR wasn't even created until Dec of 2000

I am getting old ;-)

Cheers

Jean-Frederic

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Re: JK3 roadmap?

[Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>]

On Jun 27, 2007, at 11:27 AM, jean-frederic clere wrote:

> Rainer Jung wrote:
>> Whenever I had a couple of hours I was doing small tests with  
>> scripting.
>>
>> I think the most valuable first step would be the transformation  
>> to APR.
>> Unfortunately this is something I could hekp with, but I wouldn't  
>> want
>> to lead, because my experience with APR programing is only medium.
>>
> APR-izing is something I am willing to do even to lead... (I am APR  
> committer since 1999!)


Ummm... APR wasn't even created until Dec of 2000

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Re: JK3 roadmap?

[jean-frederic clere <jf...@gmail.com>]

Rainer Jung wrote:
> Whenever I had a couple of hours I was doing small tests with scripting.
>
> I think the most valuable first step would be the transformation to APR.
> Unfortunately this is something I could hekp with, but I wouldn't want
> to lead, because my experience with APR programing is only medium.
>   
APR-izing is something I am willing to do even to lead... (I am APR 
committer since 1999!)
> Once APR would be there, I would start working on management threads.
>
> But APR is the necessary big first step (at least that's what I think) ...
>   
Me too

Cheers

Jean-Frederic
> Regards,
>
> Rainer
>
>
> Mladen Turk schrieb:
>   
>> jean-frederic clere wrote:
>>     
>>> I have noted that nothing has happened in tomcat/connectors/trunk/jk3.
>>> Nearly 2 months without real road map nor clear specifications, what
>>> is wrong?
>>>
>>>       
>> I don't think anything is wrong. We are waiting for the list of
>> requirements, and any suggestion from yours or anybody else side
>> is more then welcome.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mladen.
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Re: JK3 roadmap?

[Rainer Jung <ra...@kippdata.de>]

Whenever I had a couple of hours I was doing small tests with scripting.

I think the most valuable first step would be the transformation to APR.
Unfortunately this is something I could hekp with, but I wouldn't want
to lead, because my experience with APR programing is only medium.

Once APR would be there, I would start working on management threads.

But APR is the necessary big first step (at least that's what I think) ...

Regards,

Rainer


Mladen Turk schrieb:
> jean-frederic clere wrote:
>> I have noted that nothing has happened in tomcat/connectors/trunk/jk3.
>> Nearly 2 months without real road map nor clear specifications, what
>> is wrong?
>>
> 
> I don't think anything is wrong. We are waiting for the list of
> requirements, and any suggestion from yours or anybody else side
> is more then welcome.
> 
> Regards,
> Mladen.
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Re: JK3 roadmap?

[Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>]

On Jun 27, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Mladen Turk wrote:

> jean-frederic clere wrote:
>> I have noted that nothing has happened in tomcat/connectors/trunk/ 
>> jk3.
>> Nearly 2 months without real road map nor clear specifications,  
>> what is wrong?
>>
>
> I don't think anything is wrong. We are waiting for the list of
> requirements, and any suggestion from yours or anybody else side
> is more then welcome.
>

I would likely recommend is looking at the protocol 1st
and what aspects need to be adjusted or improved. And
then from that standpoint, add and improve the extra
features.


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Re: JK3 roadmap?

[Rainer Jung <ra...@kippdata.de>]

Just in case anyone likes to make his words persist: Mladen created a
roadmap file some weeks ago which includes the basic thoughts we
(Mladen, Jean-Frederic and me) had during ApacheCon about bigger JK
improvements.

/tomcat/connectors/trunk/jk3/ROADMAP

Regards,

Rainer

Remy Maucherat schrieb:
> Filip Hanik - Dev Lists wrote:
>> Mladen Turk wrote:
>>> jean-frederic clere wrote:
>>>> I have noted that nothing has happened in tomcat/connectors/trunk/jk3.
>>>> Nearly 2 months without real road map nor clear specifications, what
>>>> is wrong?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think anything is wrong. We are waiting for the list of
>>> requirements, and any suggestion from yours or anybody else side
>>> is more then welcome.
>> Comet support, that means, keep the connection open to receive/send
>> data in either direction.
>> Able to turn off buffering, so that data can get transferred directly
>> during Comet connections.
>>
>> That's one that I know people would like to see
> 
> I understand we're talking about the native side here. My opinion on
> this is it's not an absolute necessity, as most of the time the proxy
> server will have not much to do except handling the connection, so it
> should be able to dedicate the necessary threads. Of course, except for
> specialized event based web servers, it's not possible to get rid of the
> thread/process per request, so there's a large feasibility issue.
> 
> On the Java side, I plan to adapt the o.a.coyote.ajp package to support
> comet and save threads in Tomcat, which is easy to do since the
> connector structure is the same as HTTP (actually, it's simpler). I will
> do it when the API and code gets really stable for the HTTP connector.
> 
> Rémy
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Re: JK3 roadmap?

[Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>]

Filip Hanik - Dev Lists wrote:
> Mladen Turk wrote:
>> jean-frederic clere wrote:
>>> I have noted that nothing has happened in tomcat/connectors/trunk/jk3.
>>> Nearly 2 months without real road map nor clear specifications, what 
>>> is wrong?
>>>
>>
>> I don't think anything is wrong. We are waiting for the list of
>> requirements, and any suggestion from yours or anybody else side
>> is more then welcome.
> Comet support, that means, keep the connection open to receive/send data 
> in either direction.
> Able to turn off buffering, so that data can get transferred directly 
> during Comet connections.
> 
> That's one that I know people would like to see

I understand we're talking about the native side here. My opinion on 
this is it's not an absolute necessity, as most of the time the proxy 
server will have not much to do except handling the connection, so it 
should be able to dedicate the necessary threads. Of course, except for 
specialized event based web servers, it's not possible to get rid of the 
thread/process per request, so there's a large feasibility issue.

On the Java side, I plan to adapt the o.a.coyote.ajp package to support 
comet and save threads in Tomcat, which is easy to do since the 
connector structure is the same as HTTP (actually, it's simpler). I will 
do it when the API and code gets really stable for the HTTP connector.

Rémy

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Re: JK3 roadmap?

[Filip Hanik - Dev Lists <de...@hanik.com>]

Mladen Turk wrote:
> jean-frederic clere wrote:
>> I have noted that nothing has happened in tomcat/connectors/trunk/jk3.
>> Nearly 2 months without real road map nor clear specifications, what 
>> is wrong?
>>
>
> I don't think anything is wrong. We are waiting for the list of
> requirements, and any suggestion from yours or anybody else side
> is more then welcome.
Comet support, that means, keep the connection open to receive/send data 
in either direction.
Able to turn off buffering, so that data can get transferred directly 
during Comet connections.

That's one that I know people would like to see

Filip
>
> Regards,
> Mladen.
>
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Re: JK3 roadmap?

[Mladen Turk <mt...@apache.org>]

jean-frederic clere wrote:
> I have noted that nothing has happened in tomcat/connectors/trunk/jk3.
> Nearly 2 months without real road map nor clear specifications, what is 
> wrong?
>

I don't think anything is wrong. We are waiting for the list of
requirements, and any suggestion from yours or anybody else side
is more then welcome.

Regards,
Mladen.

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