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Apache integration
Hi,
I have a developer type plan with a hosting service which allows me to log
into the server through SSH and configure Apache server. However, I don't
think they will allow me to install Subversion server on that machine. I
don't know much about Apache yet, but Is it possible to install just the
subversion mod on it without installing the Subversion server on the
machine. In other words, would the subversion mod pretty much function as
the subversion server for me?
Thanks,
NG
Re: Apache integration
Posted by Lares Moreau <la...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 11:41 -0500, N G wrote:
> <cut> would the subversion mod pretty much function as
> the subversion server for me?
Short answer, no.
Long answer, no.
The mod is just the http interface IIRC. You need to have svn on the
machine.
-Lares
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Re: Apache integration
Posted by N G <ni...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the all the clarifications!
On 2/10/06, Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 2006, at 18:30, N G wrote:
>
> >>> I have a developer type plan with a hosting service which allows me
> >>> to log
> >>> into the server through SSH and configure Apache server. However, I
> >>> don't
> >>> think they will allow me to install Subversion server on that
> >>> machine. I
> >>> don't know much about Apache yet, but Is it possible to install
> >>> just the
> >>> subversion mod on it without installing the Subversion server on the
> >>> machine. In other words, would the subversion mod pretty much
> >>> function as
> >>> the subversion server for me?
> >>
> >> There are several different ways to serve a repository. One is
> >> through the custom svnserve server. Another is through the
> >> mod_dav_svn Apache2 module.
> >
> > So, I take it you disagree with Lares?
>
> I stand by what I said. But Lares isn't wrong either. Let's
> incorporate Lares's remarks here:
>
> >> <cut> would the subversion mod pretty much function as
> >> the subversion server for me?
> >
> > Short answer, no.
> >
> > Long answer, no.
> > The mod is just the http interface IIRC. You need to have svn on the
> > machine.
>
> "svn" is many things. So let's be very specific. When you download
> the Subversion source code and build it, you get the "svn" command
> line client program, the "svnadmin," "svnversion" and "svnlook"
> utility programs, the "svnserve" server program, and, if you ask it
> to, the "mod_dav_svn" Apache2 module. Each of these programs also
> link to a handful of Subversion libraries which this process will
> install.
>
> In Lares's remarks, "svn" then must mean the Subversion libraries,
> which, yes, must be present.
>
>
> >> If your hosting provider uses Apache2 (Apache1 won't work) and allows
> >> you to plug in custom modules and allows you to make custom entries
> >> in the httpd.conf (most hosting providers I know qualify for none of
> >> these), then you could use Apache to serve your repository. If they
> >> don't normally offer that, maybe ask them if they'd be willing to add
> >> it on their end, since it's a useful feature.
> >
> > As far as I see, they I am allowed to edit httpd.conf, but not allowed
> > to even see the contents of htpasswd. I figure I'll deal with that
> > later since they do allow (through web interface) to set a password on
> > a directory served through Apache.
> >
> >> If they won't, then they probably wouldn't be too keen on opening a
> >> port in the firewall and having the svnserve process running either.
> >>
> >> But you could possibly still make it work through svn+ssh protocol.
> >
> > svn+ssh would actually be easier for me at this point, but wouldn't
> > that require me to install Subversion on that machine? I can't see how
> > they would be too happy with users installing stuff...
>
> If installed as root, all of Subversion's parts can go anywhere, for
> example into the OS's standard locations like /usr or /usr/local, and
> if your ISP were to provide Subversion, that's probably where they'd
> be. If your provider doesn't and won't provide it, you can compile it
> yourself in your home directory, since you said you have SSH access.
> Then the programs and libraries are in a location you specify with
> the --prefix parameter to the ./configure script, for example /home/
> you/programs or whatever. You could then use svnadmin to set up a
> repository on the server, and access it via svn+ssh. svn+ssh uses the
> SSH protocol, which you have access to, so there's no need for your
> provider to open any additional ports. And svn+ssh only starts the
> svnserve process when it's needed, and closes it again right away
> afterwards, so there wouldn't be another permanently-running process
> on the machine.
>
> The setup process for the various servers is described in the book.
> In particular if you want to try svn+ssh you might find the SSH
> Configuration Tricks section useful:
>
> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch06s03.html#svn-ch-6-sect-3.5
>
>
>
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Thanks,
NG
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Re: Apache integration
Posted by Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com>.
On Feb 10, 2006, at 18:30, N G wrote:
>>> I have a developer type plan with a hosting service which allows me
>>> to log
>>> into the server through SSH and configure Apache server. However, I
>>> don't
>>> think they will allow me to install Subversion server on that
>>> machine. I
>>> don't know much about Apache yet, but Is it possible to install
>>> just the
>>> subversion mod on it without installing the Subversion server on the
>>> machine. In other words, would the subversion mod pretty much
>>> function as
>>> the subversion server for me?
>>
>> There are several different ways to serve a repository. One is
>> through the custom svnserve server. Another is through the
>> mod_dav_svn Apache2 module.
>
> So, I take it you disagree with Lares?
I stand by what I said. But Lares isn't wrong either. Let's
incorporate Lares's remarks here:
>> <cut> would the subversion mod pretty much function as
>> the subversion server for me?
>
> Short answer, no.
>
> Long answer, no.
> The mod is just the http interface IIRC. You need to have svn on the
> machine.
"svn" is many things. So let's be very specific. When you download
the Subversion source code and build it, you get the "svn" command
line client program, the "svnadmin," "svnversion" and "svnlook"
utility programs, the "svnserve" server program, and, if you ask it
to, the "mod_dav_svn" Apache2 module. Each of these programs also
link to a handful of Subversion libraries which this process will
install.
In Lares's remarks, "svn" then must mean the Subversion libraries,
which, yes, must be present.
>> If your hosting provider uses Apache2 (Apache1 won't work) and allows
>> you to plug in custom modules and allows you to make custom entries
>> in the httpd.conf (most hosting providers I know qualify for none of
>> these), then you could use Apache to serve your repository. If they
>> don't normally offer that, maybe ask them if they'd be willing to add
>> it on their end, since it's a useful feature.
>
> As far as I see, they I am allowed to edit httpd.conf, but not allowed
> to even see the contents of htpasswd. I figure I'll deal with that
> later since they do allow (through web interface) to set a password on
> a directory served through Apache.
>
>> If they won't, then they probably wouldn't be too keen on opening a
>> port in the firewall and having the svnserve process running either.
>>
>> But you could possibly still make it work through svn+ssh protocol.
>
> svn+ssh would actually be easier for me at this point, but wouldn't
> that require me to install Subversion on that machine? I can't see how
> they would be too happy with users installing stuff...
If installed as root, all of Subversion's parts can go anywhere, for
example into the OS's standard locations like /usr or /usr/local, and
if your ISP were to provide Subversion, that's probably where they'd
be. If your provider doesn't and won't provide it, you can compile it
yourself in your home directory, since you said you have SSH access.
Then the programs and libraries are in a location you specify with
the --prefix parameter to the ./configure script, for example /home/
you/programs or whatever. You could then use svnadmin to set up a
repository on the server, and access it via svn+ssh. svn+ssh uses the
SSH protocol, which you have access to, so there's no need for your
provider to open any additional ports. And svn+ssh only starts the
svnserve process when it's needed, and closes it again right away
afterwards, so there wouldn't be another permanently-running process
on the machine.
The setup process for the various servers is described in the book.
In particular if you want to try svn+ssh you might find the SSH
Configuration Tricks section useful:
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch06s03.html#svn-ch-6-sect-3.5
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Re: Apache integration
Posted by N G <ni...@gmail.com>.
On 2/10/06, Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 2006, at 17:41, N G wrote:
>
> > I have a developer type plan with a hosting service which allows me
> > to log
> > into the server through SSH and configure Apache server. However, I
> > don't
> > think they will allow me to install Subversion server on that
> > machine. I
> > don't know much about Apache yet, but Is it possible to install
> > just the
> > subversion mod on it without installing the Subversion server on the
> > machine. In other words, would the subversion mod pretty much
> > function as
> > the subversion server for me?
>
> There are several different ways to serve a repository. One is
> through the custom svnserve server. Another is through the
> mod_dav_svn Apache2 module.
So, I take it you disagree with Lares?
> If your hosting provider uses Apache2 (Apache1 won't work) and allows
> you to plug in custom modules and allows you to make custom entries
> in the httpd.conf (most hosting providers I know qualify for none of
> these), then you could use Apache to serve your repository. If they
> don't normally offer that, maybe ask them if they'd be willing to add
> it on their end, since it's a useful feature.
As far as I see, they I am allowed to edit httpd.conf, but not allowed
to even see the contents of htpasswd. I figure I'll deal with that
later since they do allow (through web interface) to set a password on
a directory served through Apache.
> If they won't, then they probably wouldn't be too keen on opening a
> port in the firewall and having the svnserve process running either.
>
> But you could possibly still make it work through svn+ssh protocol.
svn+ssh would actually be easier for me at this point, but wouldn't
that require me to install Subversion on that machine? I can't see how
they would be too happy with users installing stuff...
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Thanks,
NG
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Re: Apache integration
Posted by Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com>.
On Feb 10, 2006, at 17:41, N G wrote:
> I have a developer type plan with a hosting service which allows me
> to log
> into the server through SSH and configure Apache server. However, I
> don't
> think they will allow me to install Subversion server on that
> machine. I
> don't know much about Apache yet, but Is it possible to install
> just the
> subversion mod on it without installing the Subversion server on the
> machine. In other words, would the subversion mod pretty much
> function as
> the subversion server for me?
There are several different ways to serve a repository. One is
through the custom svnserve server. Another is through the
mod_dav_svn Apache2 module.
If your hosting provider uses Apache2 (Apache1 won't work) and allows
you to plug in custom modules and allows you to make custom entries
in the httpd.conf (most hosting providers I know qualify for none of
these), then you could use Apache to serve your repository. If they
don't normally offer that, maybe ask them if they'd be willing to add
it on their end, since it's a useful feature.
If they won't, then they probably wouldn't be too keen on opening a
port in the firewall and having the svnserve process running either.
But you could possibly still make it work through svn+ssh protocol.
The various server options are described in the book.
http://svnbook.org/
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