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Posted to users@subversion.apache.org by Kevin Galligan <kg...@gmail.com> on 2006/04/14 13:42:24 UTC
linux client
I'm sure this has been talked about over and over, but I need some good
direction here. I've been developing on windows for quite some time. I
have a shared server that is linux based, and have decided to also do my
development in linux for various reasons. There's a lot that I like about
it, and initially had a really good feeling about it. However, its the
little things are getting to me. One of them is the subversion support. I
use ubuntu, and have come to terms with the fact that I can't just download
the latest subversion and run it. However, there's no tortoisesvn. This
one app is almost enough to get me to switch back. From what I've found,
the linux users seem to prefer the cli. Anybody have another option? No
offense to rapid, but I've never liked it. I have it installed now, and
again its missing the little things. For example, I'd like to right-click
and select ignore on a directory. You can select the '.' directory, and add
'svn:ignore' with the directory as a value, but its clunky. Also, I had to
build 9.1 from source, and there is apparently no ssl support. I know, you
can build it in. Its just such a pain to build from source every time you
want to install something. I've tried to build subcommander, but can get
past configure.
So, any thoughts? I hate to sound like I'm complaining about free
software. Love subversion. Want to be on linux. Love tortoise. If I can
find a decent gui I'll stick around for a while, but can't come to a
conclusion. I also have a hard time trying some out, like subcommander,
because of the startup time (source builds).
I have smartsvn installed, but the documentation and the actual client don't
seem to jive. I'm also not sure what is a pay feature and what isn't, and I
think I'd rather go back to windows, which I already own, than pay for a
client on linux. Unless there's something really sweet that I haven't seen
yet.
Maybe I should use a different linux distribution? Maybe fedora has
newer/more pre-built packages? So far the user experience of ubuntu has
been great so I'm reluctant to switch, but it would be a possibility.
Thanks
Re: linux client
Posted by Adam Gibson <ag...@ptm.com>.
Kevin Galligan wrote:
> I'm sure this has been talked about over and over, but I need some good
> direction here. I've been developing on windows for quite some time. I
> have a shared server that is linux based, and have decided to also do my
> development in linux for various reasons. There's a lot that I like
> about it, and initially had a really good feeling about it. However,
> its the little things are getting to me. One of them is the subversion
> support. I use ubuntu, and have come to terms with the fact that I
> can't just download the latest subversion and run it. However, there's
> no tortoisesvn. This one app is almost enough to get me to switch
> back. From what I've found, the linux users seem to prefer the cli.
> Anybody have another option? No offense to rapid, but I've never liked
> it. I have it installed now, and again its missing the little things.
> For example, I'd like to right-click and select ignore on a directory.
> You can select the '.' directory, and add 'svn:ignore' with the
> directory as a value, but its clunky. Also, I had to build 9.1 from
> source, and there is apparently no ssl support. I know, you can build
> it in. Its just such a pain to build from source every time you want to
> install something. I've tried to build subcommander, but can get past
> configure.
>
> So, any thoughts? I hate to sound like I'm complaining about free
> software. Love subversion. Want to be on linux. Love tortoise. If I
> can find a decent gui I'll stick around for a while, but can't come to a
> conclusion. I also have a hard time trying some out, like subcommander,
> because of the startup time (source builds).
>
> I have smartsvn installed, but the documentation and the actual client
> don't seem to jive. I'm also not sure what is a pay feature and what
> isn't, and I think I'd rather go back to windows, which I already own,
> than pay for a client on linux. Unless there's something really sweet
> that I haven't seen yet.
>
> Maybe I should use a different linux distribution? Maybe fedora has
> newer/more pre-built packages? So far the user experience of ubuntu has
> been great so I'm reluctant to switch, but it would be a possibility.
Have you tried the Eclipse ide with the subclipse plugin? You could try
to install them yourself if your distro does not package them. The
subversion integration seems very feature rich and the IDE's
auto-complete and outline features are better than any other free linux
IDE I have seen so far.
On Linux it can be tricky to get the subversion-javahl to work properly
(needs LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to where the subversion-javahl .so files are)
but once working it is a nice solution. You will need java installed
and setup properly to run also.
With Fedora eclipse is available to install through yum by default (yum
install eclipse-cdt). You just need to install it and then go to
subclipse.tigris.org for instructions on how to install that plugin
through the help menu of eclipse. You will also need to yum install
subversion-javahl package for subclipse which also requires java to be
installed. You will also need to make sure you set
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib before running eclipse because eclipse wont
find the javahl .so files.
I am still blown away by how many features subclipse has(It has a right
click ignore feature) and I am still learning about it. Eclipse works
on Windows and Linux so you can transition if you need to from one
platform to another.
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Re: linux client
Posted by Frank Gruman <fg...@verizon.net>.
Kevin Galligan wrote:
> I'm sure this has been talked about over and over, but I need some
> good direction here. I've been developing on windows for quite some
> time. I have a shared server that is linux based, and have decided to
> also do my development in linux for various reasons. There's a lot
> that I like about it, and initially had a really good feeling about
> it. However, its the little things are getting to me. One of them is
> the subversion support. I use ubuntu, and have come to terms with the
> fact that I can't just download the latest subversion and run it.
> However, there's no tortoisesvn. This one app is almost enough to get
> me to switch back. From what I've found, the linux users seem to
> prefer the cli. Anybody have another option? No offense to rapid,
> but I've never liked it. I have it installed now, and again its
> missing the little things. For example, I'd like to right-click and
> select ignore on a directory. You can select the '.' directory, and
> add 'svn:ignore' with the directory as a value, but its clunky. Also,
> I had to build 9.1 from source, and there is apparently no ssl
> support. I know, you can build it in. Its just such a pain to build
> from source every time you want to install something. I've tried to
> build subcommander, but can get past configure.
>
> So, any thoughts? I hate to sound like I'm complaining about free
> software. Love subversion. Want to be on linux. Love tortoise. If
> I can find a decent gui I'll stick around for a while, but can't come
> to a conclusion. I also have a hard time trying some out, like
> subcommander, because of the startup time (source builds).
>
> I have smartsvn installed, but the documentation and the actual client
> don't seem to jive. I'm also not sure what is a pay feature and what
> isn't, and I think I'd rather go back to windows, which I already own,
> than pay for a client on linux. Unless there's something really sweet
> that I haven't seen yet.
>
> Maybe I should use a different linux distribution? Maybe fedora has
> newer/more pre-built packages? So far the user experience of ubuntu
> has been great so I'm reluctant to switch, but it would be a possibility.
>
> Thanks
Hi Kevin,
What is your GUI? I am running KDE which has a Subversion shell
extension and I like it. It still isn't quite as good as TortoiseSVN,
but it is much closer than the other two you mention.
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=26589
As far as the distribution - I'm not familiar with what Ubuntu can do,
but I definitely like SUSE.
Regards,
Frank
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Re: linux client
Posted by Nico Kadel-Garcia <nk...@comcast.net>.
Welcome to Debian....
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Galligan
To: users@subversion.tigris.org
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: linux client
Ahh. Looks like its in the next version (Dapper). Hmm. Dilemma time. Dapper is unstable, but has the cool new stuff.
Re: linux client
Posted by Kevin Galligan <kg...@gmail.com>.
Ahh. Looks like its in the next version (Dapper). Hmm. Dilemma time.
Dapper is unstable, but has the cool new stuff.
On 4/14/06, Kevin Galligan <ma...@kgalligan.com> wrote:
>
> Ubuntu comes with gnome by default. I had installed konqueror and ksvn,
> but I would assume kdesvn is somewhat more useful?
>
> I'll have to give it a shot. I didn't see kdesvn in the installable
> package list for ubuntu, so I might have to try building from source.
>
>
> On 4/14/06, Craig White <cr...@azapple.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 09:42 -0400, Kevin Galligan wrote:
> > > I'm sure this has been talked about over and over, but I need some
> > > good direction here. I've been developing on windows for quite some
> > > time. I have a shared server that is linux based, and have decided to
> >
> > > also do my development in linux for various reasons. There's a lot
> > > that I like about it, and initially had a really good feeling about
> > > it. However, its the little things are getting to me. One of them is
> >
> > > the subversion support. I use ubuntu, and have come to terms with the
> > > fact that I can't just download the latest subversion and run it.
> > > However, there's no tortoisesvn. This one app is almost enough to get
> >
> > > me to switch back. From what I've found, the linux users seem to
> > > prefer the cli. Anybody have another option? No offense to rapid,
> > > but I've never liked it. I have it installed now, and again its
> > > missing the little things. For example, I'd like to right-click and
> > > select ignore on a directory. You can select the '.' directory, and
> > > add 'svn:ignore' with the directory as a value, but its clunky. Also,
> >
> > > I had to build 9.1 from source, and there is apparently no ssl
> > > support. I know, you can build it in. Its just such a pain to build
> > > from source every time you want to install something. I've tried to
> > > build subcommander, but can get past configure.
> > >
> > > So, any thoughts? I hate to sound like I'm complaining about free
> > > software. Love subversion. Want to be on linux. Love tortoise. If
> > > I can find a decent gui I'll stick around for a while, but can't come
> > > to a conclusion. I also have a hard time trying some out, like
> > > subcommander, because of the startup time (source builds).
> > >
> > > I have smartsvn installed, but the documentation and the actual client
> > > don't seem to jive. I'm also not sure what is a pay feature and what
> > > isn't, and I think I'd rather go back to windows, which I already own,
> >
> > > than pay for a client on linux. Unless there's something really sweet
> > > that I haven't seen yet.
> > >
> > > Maybe I should use a different linux distribution? Maybe fedora has
> > > newer/more pre-built packages? So far the user experience of ubuntu
> > > has been great so I'm reluctant to switch, but it would be a
> > > possibility.
> > ----
> > On Fedora, I use kdesvn. I would expect that the same package is
> > available for Ubuntu
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
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Re: linux client
Posted by Kevin Galligan <ma...@kgalligan.com>.
Ubuntu comes with gnome by default. I had installed konqueror and ksvn, but
I would assume kdesvn is somewhat more useful?
I'll have to give it a shot. I didn't see kdesvn in the installable package
list for ubuntu, so I might have to try building from source.
On 4/14/06, Craig White <cr...@azapple.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 09:42 -0400, Kevin Galligan wrote:
> > I'm sure this has been talked about over and over, but I need some
> > good direction here. I've been developing on windows for quite some
> > time. I have a shared server that is linux based, and have decided to
> > also do my development in linux for various reasons. There's a lot
> > that I like about it, and initially had a really good feeling about
> > it. However, its the little things are getting to me. One of them is
> > the subversion support. I use ubuntu, and have come to terms with the
> > fact that I can't just download the latest subversion and run it.
> > However, there's no tortoisesvn. This one app is almost enough to get
> > me to switch back. From what I've found, the linux users seem to
> > prefer the cli. Anybody have another option? No offense to rapid,
> > but I've never liked it. I have it installed now, and again its
> > missing the little things. For example, I'd like to right-click and
> > select ignore on a directory. You can select the '.' directory, and
> > add 'svn:ignore' with the directory as a value, but its clunky. Also,
> > I had to build 9.1 from source, and there is apparently no ssl
> > support. I know, you can build it in. Its just such a pain to build
> > from source every time you want to install something. I've tried to
> > build subcommander, but can get past configure.
> >
> > So, any thoughts? I hate to sound like I'm complaining about free
> > software. Love subversion. Want to be on linux. Love tortoise. If
> > I can find a decent gui I'll stick around for a while, but can't come
> > to a conclusion. I also have a hard time trying some out, like
> > subcommander, because of the startup time (source builds).
> >
> > I have smartsvn installed, but the documentation and the actual client
> > don't seem to jive. I'm also not sure what is a pay feature and what
> > isn't, and I think I'd rather go back to windows, which I already own,
> > than pay for a client on linux. Unless there's something really sweet
> > that I haven't seen yet.
> >
> > Maybe I should use a different linux distribution? Maybe fedora has
> > newer/more pre-built packages? So far the user experience of ubuntu
> > has been great so I'm reluctant to switch, but it would be a
> > possibility.
> ----
> On Fedora, I use kdesvn. I would expect that the same package is
> available for Ubuntu
>
> Craig
>
>
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Re: linux client
Posted by Kevin Galligan <ma...@kgalligan.com>.
Well, I would argue a couple things here.
#1, svn:ignore is a special property. Its recognized and treated in a
special way by clients including rapid in the way it displays the tree.
Because its stored as other properties doesn't mean its exactly the same.
#2 Multi-step, non-obvious procedures tend to be forgotten. I set
'svn:ignore' last night on a directory, and I'd have to look up the process
again today just to be sure I was doing it right. Its a quesiton of
convenience.
#3 Having used tortoise and seen this feature in use, all other arguments
aside, its just nice to have. Also found (to some degree) on subclipse.
I won't argue that it *should* be there. That's a value judgement that I
don't want to imply. As a developer I can understand the clarity of
adhering to the basic functionalty of the tool. However, right-clicking and
selecting 'ignore' on a directory is a sweet feature. If somebody forked
the rapid source and added 'ignore', assuming the same version, given the
choise of rapid with and without that feature, I'd install the one with.
Personal preference.
On 4/14/06, Andrew Goodnough <An...@wicourts.gov> wrote:
>
>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 12:43 pm, in message
> <e7...@mail.gmail.com>, "Kevin
> Galligan"
> <ma...@kgalligan.com> wrote:
> > For example, rapid's lack of a simple 'svn:ignore' property add.
> I've also
> > had some trouble with the menus, which I assume is due to a version
> issue
> > with wxWindows. Also, I built from source and bungled the ssl
> support, so I
> > can only use it local anyway.
>
> Who is to decide which svn properties deserve their own menu item? I
> appreciate RapidSVN's adherence to the CLI operations. This means you
> can learn how to set the svn:ignore property at the command line or in
> the GUI and the mental model hasn't changed. The current way will
> automatically work with new properties,etc.
>
> Andy
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Re: linux client
Posted by Andrew Goodnough <An...@wicourts.gov>.
>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 12:43 pm, in message
<e7...@mail.gmail.com>, "Kevin
Galligan"
<ma...@kgalligan.com> wrote:
> For example, rapid's lack of a simple 'svn:ignore' property add.
I've also
> had some trouble with the menus, which I assume is due to a version
issue
> with wxWindows. Also, I built from source and bungled the ssl
support, so I
> can only use it local anyway.
Who is to decide which svn properties deserve their own menu item? I
appreciate RapidSVN's adherence to the CLI operations. This means you
can learn how to set the svn:ignore property at the command line or in
the GUI and the mental model hasn't changed. The current way will
automatically work with new properties,etc.
Andy
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Re: linux client
Posted by Kevin Galligan <ma...@kgalligan.com>.
Try rapidsvn. If you have a folder with an existing working copy on your
file system, you can "point" rapid at that. So, "point" instead of "mount"
then I guess.
Mount, as a word, has a pretty clear general meaning. I think its funny, so
I go with that.
The cli doesn't have any parallel here because you just cd into that
directory. A gui tool would either look at the whole file system, or you
would have to add each working copy you want to access. The process of
adding that working copy is what I've called "mount" or "point".
On 4/15/06, George Georgalis <ge...@galis.org> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 11:34:04AM -0400, Kevin Galligan wrote:
> >On 4/14/06, George Georgalis <ge...@galis.org> wrote:
> >> mount? you mean checkout? you really don't use cli at all, do you?
> >
> >Well, I mean mount. I would assume a client could check out from a
> >repository, but also "mount" an existing working copy. Rather than check
> it
> >out. Because its already checked out. Possibly from the cli. Mount.
> >Possibly a bad term because of the connotation implied in *nix systems,
> but
> >it seems appropriate.
>
> I guess the term "mount" can have several meanings, but in
> computers it comes from the traditional practice of physically
> mounting real-to-real tape media for access. It has since come
> to mean "make device media available within a filesystem"
>
> So. What exactly are you thinking when you say mount an existing
> working copy vs check it out from a repository? Sounds like GUI
> speak.
>
> if ./svn-co/ is a directory containing checked out copy, of a repo
> in /var/svn-master/, how could you mount it anywhere? Is there a
> way to mount files? Are you talking cdrom ISO 9660 files? Sure you
> could copy it,
>
> cp -r ./svn-co/ ./svn-co.copy/
>
> but that's all I can imagine you are getting at when you say mount
> a working copy.
>
> // George
>
>
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Re: linux client
Posted by George Georgalis <ge...@galis.org>.
On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 11:34:04AM -0400, Kevin Galligan wrote:
>On 4/14/06, George Georgalis <ge...@galis.org> wrote:
>> mount? you mean checkout? you really don't use cli at all, do you?
>
>Well, I mean mount. I would assume a client could check out from a
>repository, but also "mount" an existing working copy. Rather than check it
>out. Because its already checked out. Possibly from the cli. Mount.
>Possibly a bad term because of the connotation implied in *nix systems, but
>it seems appropriate.
I guess the term "mount" can have several meanings, but in
computers it comes from the traditional practice of physically
mounting real-to-real tape media for access. It has since come
to mean "make device media available within a filesystem"
So. What exactly are you thinking when you say mount an existing
working copy vs check it out from a repository? Sounds like GUI
speak.
if ./svn-co/ is a directory containing checked out copy, of a repo
in /var/svn-master/, how could you mount it anywhere? Is there a
way to mount files? Are you talking cdrom ISO 9660 files? Sure you
could copy it,
cp -r ./svn-co/ ./svn-co.copy/
but that's all I can imagine you are getting at when you say mount
a working copy.
// George
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Re: linux client
Posted by Kevin Galligan <kg...@gmail.com>.
"mount? you mean checkout? you really don't use cli at all, do you?"
Well, I mean mount. I would assume a client could check out from a
repository, but also "mount" an existing working copy. Rather than check it
out. Because its already checked out. Possibly from the cli. Mount.
Possibly a bad term because of the connotation implied in *nix systems, but
it seems appropriate.
On 4/14/06, George Georgalis <ge...@galis.org> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why you like linux if you don't want the cli, infact
> the reason I like X is it gives me more xterms!
>
> kde apps work fine in X, if you have the libs for them, but kde
> and gnome may be the most difficult packages you may (or not)
> compile from source. Don't try as a beginner.
>
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 04:17:03PM -0400, Kevin Galligan wrote:
> >Again, complaining about free software. What I'd like is in the SVN
> >repository browser to be able to mount a local working copy as well as a
> >remote url. That would pretty much take care of everything I
> need. Again,
> >had I time, I'd probably look into getting involved with coding something
> >like that. Maybe down the road a bit.
>
> mount? you mean checkout? you really don't use cli at all, do you?
>
> Anyway, I've not checked for GUI svn clients in pkgsrc, but that
> is IMHO the best way to get packages, it works in Linux as well
> as *BSD (I'm not sure if it doesn't work in any particular unix).
> it's designed to make building packages, and their dependancies,
> from source, real easy. Of course you'll need to use the cli to
> cvs in order to use it.
>
> Cheers,
> // George
>
>
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Re: linux client
Posted by George Georgalis <ge...@galis.org>.
I'm not sure why you like linux if you don't want the cli, infact
the reason I like X is it gives me more xterms!
kde apps work fine in X, if you have the libs for them, but kde
and gnome may be the most difficult packages you may (or not)
compile from source. Don't try as a beginner.
On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 04:17:03PM -0400, Kevin Galligan wrote:
>Again, complaining about free software. What I'd like is in the SVN
>repository browser to be able to mount a local working copy as well as a
>remote url. That would pretty much take care of everything I need. Again,
>had I time, I'd probably look into getting involved with coding something
>like that. Maybe down the road a bit.
mount? you mean checkout? you really don't use cli at all, do you?
Anyway, I've not checked for GUI svn clients in pkgsrc, but that
is IMHO the best way to get packages, it works in Linux as well
as *BSD (I'm not sure if it doesn't work in any particular unix).
it's designed to make building packages, and their dependancies,
from source, real easy. Of course you'll need to use the cli to
cvs in order to use it.
Cheers,
// George
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Re: linux client
Posted by Kevin Galligan <ma...@kgalligan.com>.
(Grr. I keep sending from the wrong email. Sorry if you get this twice...)
On the contrary, I use eclipse at both home and work, on windows and linux,
for all development that I do. I've read quite a bit on the plugin
framework, and had I the time I'd probably be building extensions for random
nerdly causes. But time is short.
I'm using 3.1.2 with subclipse. I think the subversion integration is
great, but there are limitations around using it in eclipse. For example, I
use maven to build my applications. In eclipse, each maven target is a
project, but you can't have a parent project and subproject at the top level
in eclipse. So, if you wanted to managed the whole tree in one operation,
you need to do it outside of eclipse. You know what I mean? The other
issue is that, essentially, everything needs to be a project. So if I
checked something out from a remote repository I couldn't just have it
laying around. I'd need to set up a basic project for it. End of the
world? No. Just looking for something outside of that structure. The
repository browser is pretty sweet though. In all I think subclipse is
great. I run a small group of developers at my day job, and after many
months of pressure I got them to allow me to migrate to eclipse, maven, and
finally also subversion (VSS previously. Blah).
Again, complaining about free software. What I'd like is in the SVN
repository browser to be able to mount a local working copy as well as a
remote url. That would pretty much take care of everything I need. Again,
had I time, I'd probably look into getting involved with coding something
like that. Maybe down the road a bit.
On 14 Apr 2006 15:30:56 -0400, Paul D. Smith <ps...@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> There's an SVN mode for Emacs; not sure how it compares to what you're
> used to (of course if you don't use Emacs this is moot :-)).
>
> Also, there's an SVN plugin for Eclipse. Again, not sure how it
> compares. You almost certainly aren't using Eclipse[*], anyway, so that
> would be something extra you'd need as well.
>
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Re: linux client
Posted by Kevin Galligan <kg...@gmail.com>.
On the contrary, I use eclipse at both home and work, on windows and linux,
for all development that I do. I've read quite a bit on the plugin
framework, and had I the time I'd probably be building extensions for random
nerdly causes. But time is short.
I'm using 3.1.2 with subclipse. I think the subversion integration is
great, but there are limitations around using it in eclipse. For example, I
use maven to build my applications. In eclipse, each maven target is a
project, but you can't have a parent project and subproject at the top level
in eclipse. So, if you wanted to managed the whole tree in one operation,
you need to do it outside of eclipse. You know what I mean? The other
issue is that, essentially, everything needs to be a project. So if I
checked something out from a remote repository I couldn't just have it
laying around. I'd need to set up a basic project for it. End of the
world? No. Just looking for something outside of that structure. The
repository browser is pretty sweet though. In all I think subclipse is
great. I run a small group of developers at my day job, and after many
months of pressure I got them to allow me to migrate to eclipse, maven, and
finally also subversion (VSS previously. Blah).
Again, complaining about free software. What I'd like is in the SVN
repository browser to be able to mount a local working copy as well as a
remote url. That would pretty much take care of everything I need. Again,
had I time, I'd probably look into getting involved with coding something
like that. Maybe down the road a bit.
On 14 Apr 2006 15:30:56 -0400, Paul D. Smith <ps...@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> There's an SVN mode for Emacs; not sure how it compares to what you're
> used to (of course if you don't use Emacs this is moot :-)).
>
> Also, there's an SVN plugin for Eclipse. Again, not sure how it
> compares. You almost certainly aren't using Eclipse[*], anyway, so that
> would be something extra you'd need as well.
>
>
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Re: linux client
Posted by Kevin Galligan <ma...@kgalligan.com>.
I had never even heard of them, and I'm embarrassed by that considering my
hobby of playing in a band. I did, however, enjoy a little wiki surf on
their behalf...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Black
On 4/17/06, Andy Peters <de...@latke.net> wrote:
>
> Paul D. Smith wrote:
>
> > There's an SVN mode for Emacs; not sure how it compares to what you're
> > used to (of course if you don't use Emacs this is moot :-)).
>
> I'm the first to admit that I am an Emacs partisan. Having said that,
> the Emacs svn mode is Not As Good As TortoiseSVN, So Don't Get Your
> Hopes Up, Cheese.
>
> -a
>
> (hope y'all got the Big Black reference ...)
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Re: linux client
Posted by Andy Peters <de...@latke.net>.
Paul D. Smith wrote:
> There's an SVN mode for Emacs; not sure how it compares to what you're
> used to (of course if you don't use Emacs this is moot :-)).
I'm the first to admit that I am an Emacs partisan. Having said that,
the Emacs svn mode is Not As Good As TortoiseSVN, So Don't Get Your
Hopes Up, Cheese.
-a
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Posted by "Paul D. Smith" <ps...@gnu.org>.
There's an SVN mode for Emacs; not sure how it compares to what you're
used to (of course if you don't use Emacs this is moot :-)).
Also, there's an SVN plugin for Eclipse. Again, not sure how it
compares. You almost certainly aren't using Eclipse[*], anyway, so that
would be something extra you'd need as well.
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Re: linux client
Posted by "brinkleybw@bigfoot.com" <br...@gmail.com>.
Kevin,
Nautilus does allow the user to add items to the "context" menu, so that you
can execute scripts when right-clicking on one or more files. Here's a
synopsis:
http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/faq.php
I did a quick search to see if any such scripts exist for svn and found at
least this one page...
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/Nautilus-Scripts-for-Subversion-4316.shtml
Cheers!
-Brandon
Re: linux client
Posted by "brinkleybw@bigfoot.com" <br...@gmail.com>.
I am a Ubuntu user as well and though I don't mind using the command-line, a
decent GUI would be nice. Here's some upcoming stuff:
NaughtySVN (http://naughtysvn.tigris.org/)
JSVN (http://jsvn.alternatecomputing.com/)
-Brandon
Re: linux client
Posted by Kevin Galligan <ma...@kgalligan.com>.
(Sorry, you may get this twice. Messed up the sending...)
Hmm... Ok, so, in summary, I should try kdesvn. Any other thoughts? The
client doesn't really have to be built into a file exploer (konqueror,
nautilius, etc.). Just fairly clear and functional.
For example, rapid's lack of a simple 'svn:ignore' property add. I've also
had some trouble with the menus, which I assume is due to a version issue
with wxWindows. Also, I built from source and bungled the ssl support, so I
can only use it local anyway.
I really like the way tortoise pops up the list of files changed, not under
source control, etc. when you go to check in. Simple stuff like that.
On 4/14/06, Nico Kadel-Garcia <nk...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Paul D. Smith wrote:
> > %% Frank Gruman <fg...@verizon.net> writes:
> >
> > fg> I think this is the one big shortfall of all of these Linux
> > fg> distributions out there today - to many programs with to many
> > fg> dependencies on one flavor of a package or another. I've talked
> > to fg> a couple of other programmers who won't code for Linux because
> > fg> they don't want to put users through dependency hell if the user
> > fg> doesn't have the right stuff.
> >
> > Well, of course if you release your code under an open source or free
> > software license then you don't have to care at all about any of this.
> > The distribution is going to manage it all for you: that's what they
> > do and why they exist.
> >
> > The apps we're discussing here do fall into that category, I believe.
>
> You absolutely *DO* have to care. Many tools do not have a commonly used
> open-source license model, and many of them exert weird limitations on
> development. Subversion has been very good about this, as has Apache, but
> other tools like XFree86 and pine and NVidia drivers have not. This was
> why
> most Linuxes switched to Xorg instead of XFree86, and why few Linuxes will
> carry pine anymore.
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Re: linux client
Posted by Kevin Galligan <kg...@gmail.com>.
Hmm... Ok, so, in summary, I should try kdesvn. Any other thoughts? The
client doesn't really have to be built into a file exploer (konqueror,
nautilius, etc.). Just fairly clear and functional.
For example, rapid's lack of a simple 'svn:ignore' property add. I've also
had some trouble with the menus, which I assume is due to a version issue
with wxWindows. Also, I built from source and bungled the ssl support, so I
can only use it local anyway.
I really like the way tortoise pops up the list of files changed, not under
source control, etc. when you go to check in. Simple stuff like that.
On 4/14/06, Nico Kadel-Garcia <nk...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Paul D. Smith wrote:
> > %% Frank Gruman <fg...@verizon.net> writes:
> >
> > fg> I think this is the one big shortfall of all of these Linux
> > fg> distributions out there today - to many programs with to many
> > fg> dependencies on one flavor of a package or another. I've talked
> > to fg> a couple of other programmers who won't code for Linux because
> > fg> they don't want to put users through dependency hell if the user
> > fg> doesn't have the right stuff.
> >
> > Well, of course if you release your code under an open source or free
> > software license then you don't have to care at all about any of this.
> > The distribution is going to manage it all for you: that's what they
> > do and why they exist.
> >
> > The apps we're discussing here do fall into that category, I believe.
>
> You absolutely *DO* have to care. Many tools do not have a commonly used
> open-source license model, and many of them exert weird limitations on
> development. Subversion has been very good about this, as has Apache, but
> other tools like XFree86 and pine and NVidia drivers have not. This was
> why
> most Linuxes switched to Xorg instead of XFree86, and why few Linuxes will
> carry pine anymore.
>
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Re: linux client
Posted by Nico Kadel-Garcia <nk...@comcast.net>.
Paul D. Smith wrote:
> %% Frank Gruman <fg...@verizon.net> writes:
>
> fg> I think this is the one big shortfall of all of these Linux
> fg> distributions out there today - to many programs with to many
> fg> dependencies on one flavor of a package or another. I've talked
> to fg> a couple of other programmers who won't code for Linux because
> fg> they don't want to put users through dependency hell if the user
> fg> doesn't have the right stuff.
>
> Well, of course if you release your code under an open source or free
> software license then you don't have to care at all about any of this.
> The distribution is going to manage it all for you: that's what they
> do and why they exist.
>
> The apps we're discussing here do fall into that category, I believe.
You absolutely *DO* have to care. Many tools do not have a commonly used
open-source license model, and many of them exert weird limitations on
development. Subversion has been very good about this, as has Apache, but
other tools like XFree86 and pine and NVidia drivers have not. This was why
most Linuxes switched to Xorg instead of XFree86, and why few Linuxes will
carry pine anymore.
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Posted by "Paul D. Smith" <ps...@gnu.org>.
%% Frank Gruman <fg...@verizon.net> writes:
fg> I think this is the one big shortfall of all of these Linux
fg> distributions out there today - to many programs with to many
fg> dependencies on one flavor of a package or another. I've talked to
fg> a couple of other programmers who won't code for Linux because
fg> they don't want to put users through dependency hell if the user
fg> doesn't have the right stuff.
Well, of course if you release your code under an open source or free
software license then you don't have to care at all about any of this.
The distribution is going to manage it all for you: that's what they do
and why they exist.
The apps we're discussing here do fall into that category, I believe.
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Re: linux client
Posted by Frank Gruman <fg...@verizon.net>.
Kevin Galligan wrote:
> Well, here's a general question about linux. I've installed kde apps
> on gnome without trouble, including klipper and konqueror. Is there
> any reason kdesvn wouldn't work in the same way?
>
>
Assuming all dependencies are met, no. It should work.
I think this is the one big shortfall of all of these Linux
distributions out there today - to many programs with to many
dependencies on one flavor of a package or another.
I've talked to a couple of other programmers who won't code for Linux
because they don't want to put users through dependency hell if the user
doesn't have the right stuff. Seems strange to me since there are
Windows programs that may require .NET 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, or other
pre-installed programs (dependencies). But that is their prerogative.
Regards,
Frank
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Re: linux client
Posted by Kevin Galligan <ma...@kgalligan.com>.
Well, here's a general question about linux. I've installed kde apps on
gnome without trouble, including klipper and konqueror. Is there any reason
kdesvn wouldn't work in the same way?
On 4/14/06, Frank Gruman <fg...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Craig White wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 09:42 -0400, Kevin Galligan wrote:
>
>
> I use ubuntu, and have come to terms with the
> fact that I can't just download the latest subversion and run it.
>
>
>
>
> Maybe I should use a different linux distribution? Maybe fedora has
> newer/more pre-built packages? So far the user experience of ubuntu
> has been great so I'm reluctant to switch, but it would be a
> possibility.
>
>
> ----
> On Fedora, I use kdesvn. I would expect that the same package is
> available for Ubuntu
>
> Craig
>
>
> It has come to my attention that Ubuntu does not have KDE. You'd have to
> switch to Kubuntu in order to get the KDE unless you wanted to try loading
> KDE from source on your Ubuntu machine.
>
> So - you may want to figure out what you like about Ubuntu and consider
> looking at another distro (my vote for SUSE and Craig's vote for Fedora) to
> give you your KDESVN tool.
>
> Regards,
> Frank
>
Re: linux client
Posted by Kevin Galligan <ma...@kgalligan.com>.
A month or 2 back, I was lamenting the loss of clipmate from windows. Its a
clipboard tool that holds multiple clipboard entries. The only thing I saw
like this in linux is klipper, but I'm on gnome. I just ran 'apt-get
install klipper', and it worked without problems. This is one of those
things that I was very impressed with during my initial linux experiences.
kdesvn appears to only be in the next version of ubuntu's repositories. I'm
a little concerned that trying to install that might update some packages
and create issues with my install, so I'd either need to do a general update
to the next version, or hold off for a bit.
On 14 Apr 2006 11:17:31 -0400, Paul D. Smith <ps...@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> %% Frank Gruman <fg...@verizon.net> writes:
>
> fg> It has come to my attention that Ubuntu does not have KDE. You'd
> fg> have to switch to Kubuntu in order to get the KDE unless you
> fg> wanted to try loading KDE from source on your Ubuntu machine. So
> fg> - you may want to figure out what you like about Ubuntu and
> fg> consider looking at another distro (my vote for SUSE and Craig's
> fg> vote for Fedora) to give you your KDESVN tool.
>
> KDE is just a desktop environment. It has nothing to do with the base
> distribution, and there's no need to switch distros for this reason.
>
> Ubuntu is a complete GNU/Linux distribution that provides Gnome as the
> standard desktop environment.
>
> Kubuntu is the SAME complete GNU/Linux distribution, except that it
> provides KDE as the standard desktop environment.
>
> Other than that, they are identical underneath. Everything else works
> just the same as your current Ubuntu.
>
>
> Not only that, but you can _very easily_ add KDE applications to your
> Ubuntu desktop (or Gnome applications to your Kubuntu desktop). The
> magic of the Debian package manager will simply install all the
> prerequisite libraries, etc. that you need.
>
> If you don't run the entire KDE desktop some of the more "integrated"
> features probably won't work (although more will these days than before,
> as FreeDesktop.org begins to standardize more things and KDE and Gnome
> both move closer).
>
>
> I suspect that you simply don't have all the right repositories
> available to download the things you want. If you stick with the base
> Ubuntu repositories then you are missing out on all the stuff available
> in the Multiverse and Universe repositories. These may not be quite as
> well tested but they're derived from Debian packages so they still have
> a LOT of QA. They'll save you a lot of time rebuilding from source. At
> the very least they will certainly be able to provide you with all the
> basic libraries you need so that you don't have to build those.
>
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Re: linux client
Posted by "Paul D. Smith" <ps...@gnu.org>.
%% Frank Gruman <fg...@verizon.net> writes:
fg> It has come to my attention that Ubuntu does not have KDE. You'd
fg> have to switch to Kubuntu in order to get the KDE unless you
fg> wanted to try loading KDE from source on your Ubuntu machine. So
fg> - you may want to figure out what you like about Ubuntu and
fg> consider looking at another distro (my vote for SUSE and Craig's
fg> vote for Fedora) to give you your KDESVN tool.
KDE is just a desktop environment. It has nothing to do with the base
distribution, and there's no need to switch distros for this reason.
Ubuntu is a complete GNU/Linux distribution that provides Gnome as the
standard desktop environment.
Kubuntu is the SAME complete GNU/Linux distribution, except that it
provides KDE as the standard desktop environment.
Other than that, they are identical underneath. Everything else works
just the same as your current Ubuntu.
Not only that, but you can _very easily_ add KDE applications to your
Ubuntu desktop (or Gnome applications to your Kubuntu desktop). The
magic of the Debian package manager will simply install all the
prerequisite libraries, etc. that you need.
If you don't run the entire KDE desktop some of the more "integrated"
features probably won't work (although more will these days than before,
as FreeDesktop.org begins to standardize more things and KDE and Gnome
both move closer).
I suspect that you simply don't have all the right repositories
available to download the things you want. If you stick with the base
Ubuntu repositories then you are missing out on all the stuff available
in the Multiverse and Universe repositories. These may not be quite as
well tested but they're derived from Debian packages so they still have
a LOT of QA. They'll save you a lot of time rebuilding from source. At
the very least they will certainly be able to provide you with all the
basic libraries you need so that you don't have to build those.
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Posted by Frank Gruman <fg...@verizon.net>.
Craig White wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 09:42 -0400, Kevin Galligan wrote:
>
>> I use ubuntu, and have come to terms with the
>> fact that I can't just download the latest subversion and run it.
>>
>>
>> Maybe I should use a different linux distribution? Maybe fedora has
>> newer/more pre-built packages? So far the user experience of ubuntu
>> has been great so I'm reluctant to switch, but it would be a
>> possibility.
>>
> ----
> On Fedora, I use kdesvn. I would expect that the same package is
> available for Ubuntu
>
> Craig
>
It has come to my attention that Ubuntu does not have KDE. You'd have
to switch to Kubuntu in order to get the KDE unless you wanted to try
loading KDE from source on your Ubuntu machine.
So - you may want to figure out what you like about Ubuntu and consider
looking at another distro (my vote for SUSE and Craig's vote for Fedora)
to give you your KDESVN tool.
Regards,
Frank
Re: linux client
Posted by Craig White <cr...@azapple.com>.
On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 09:42 -0400, Kevin Galligan wrote:
> I'm sure this has been talked about over and over, but I need some
> good direction here. I've been developing on windows for quite some
> time. I have a shared server that is linux based, and have decided to
> also do my development in linux for various reasons. There's a lot
> that I like about it, and initially had a really good feeling about
> it. However, its the little things are getting to me. One of them is
> the subversion support. I use ubuntu, and have come to terms with the
> fact that I can't just download the latest subversion and run it.
> However, there's no tortoisesvn. This one app is almost enough to get
> me to switch back. From what I've found, the linux users seem to
> prefer the cli. Anybody have another option? No offense to rapid,
> but I've never liked it. I have it installed now, and again its
> missing the little things. For example, I'd like to right-click and
> select ignore on a directory. You can select the '.' directory, and
> add 'svn:ignore' with the directory as a value, but its clunky. Also,
> I had to build 9.1 from source, and there is apparently no ssl
> support. I know, you can build it in. Its just such a pain to build
> from source every time you want to install something. I've tried to
> build subcommander, but can get past configure.
>
> So, any thoughts? I hate to sound like I'm complaining about free
> software. Love subversion. Want to be on linux. Love tortoise. If
> I can find a decent gui I'll stick around for a while, but can't come
> to a conclusion. I also have a hard time trying some out, like
> subcommander, because of the startup time (source builds).
>
> I have smartsvn installed, but the documentation and the actual client
> don't seem to jive. I'm also not sure what is a pay feature and what
> isn't, and I think I'd rather go back to windows, which I already own,
> than pay for a client on linux. Unless there's something really sweet
> that I haven't seen yet.
>
> Maybe I should use a different linux distribution? Maybe fedora has
> newer/more pre-built packages? So far the user experience of ubuntu
> has been great so I'm reluctant to switch, but it would be a
> possibility.
----
On Fedora, I use kdesvn. I would expect that the same package is
available for Ubuntu
Craig
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