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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Federico Jakimowicz <po...@outlook.com> on 2013/03/06 06:55:05 UTC
Flash finally dead?
After reading Thibault's statements on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197 I don't have any other thing to think that he is stating the death hour of the FlashPlayer. This is really sad.
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Avi Kessner <ak...@gmail.com>.
I don't see it. He has been given the job of getting flash users to use
muse and for him to contribute to web standards. He is still giving a talk
on scout.
On Mar 6, 2013 7:55 AM, "Federico Jakimowicz" <po...@outlook.com>
wrote:
> After reading Thibault's statements on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197 I
> don't have any other thing to think that he is stating the death hour of
> the FlashPlayer. This is really sad.
>
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Avinash Narayanan <av...@gmail.com>.
lucky you...here we have 2 options. learn JS, jQuery or leave.
Thanks
Avinash Y
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Avi Kessner <ak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Avinash, each company is different. Mine is currently looking to hire
> close to 6 more ActionScript developers.
> On Mar 6, 2013 8:38 AM, "Avinash Narayanan" <av...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just want to give an organizational perspective on this. Am having a hard
> > time convincing customers as it is to do even a desktop based app project
> > in flex simply because they're shit scared Adobe will do something
> > mindblowingly inconsiderate to flex like taking off flash support etc. I
> > have not been following the group emails for a few months now (I
> apologize
> > for that) but if this AS to JS conversion becomes a reality. Especially
> if
> > that is going to get done by the browser automatically as a plugin, I'll
> be
> > the first one to cheer and get back on the band wagon. The last year and
> > few months has been horrible for us flex developers in MNCs especially
> > services side.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Avinash Y
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Not really to do with Flex development but I'll post a reply. I'd just
> > > read that that his role has changed inside Adobe. IMO worse case even
> if
> > > Adobe totally abandoned Flash tomorrow we would have some time (3 or 4
> > > years) before it wasn't in common use. Flex is also actively
> > investigating
> > > AS to JS compilation.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> >
>
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Avi Kessner <ak...@gmail.com>.
Avinash, each company is different. Mine is currently looking to hire
close to 6 more ActionScript developers.
On Mar 6, 2013 8:38 AM, "Avinash Narayanan" <av...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just want to give an organizational perspective on this. Am having a hard
> time convincing customers as it is to do even a desktop based app project
> in flex simply because they're shit scared Adobe will do something
> mindblowingly inconsiderate to flex like taking off flash support etc. I
> have not been following the group emails for a few months now (I apologize
> for that) but if this AS to JS conversion becomes a reality. Especially if
> that is going to get done by the browser automatically as a plugin, I'll be
> the first one to cheer and get back on the band wagon. The last year and
> few months has been horrible for us flex developers in MNCs especially
> services side.
>
> Thanks
> Avinash Y
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Not really to do with Flex development but I'll post a reply. I'd just
> > read that that his role has changed inside Adobe. IMO worse case even if
> > Adobe totally abandoned Flash tomorrow we would have some time (3 or 4
> > years) before it wasn't in common use. Flex is also actively
> investigating
> > AS to JS compilation.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
>
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Avi Kessner <ak...@gmail.com>.
Perhaps if it was his own free will causing him to praise Javascript
rather than his new job description.
My friend likes to encourage other people that flash is dying, because
then he gets more business for his studio when there are fewer
developers to compete with.
brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML then you
> know that Flash is in trouble.
>
>
> 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no control
>> over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how the
>> ASF works.
>>
>> Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on
>> the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things
>> into perspective?
>>
>> http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
>>
>> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Cedric Muller <us...@benga.li>.
Trying not to feed it, but maybe trollpinging the summit: Adobe just released a new version of Director .... so we get to life, we live, we die and we reincarnate ... but we are still allowed to use the right tool for the right need.
> On 3/6/2013 12:39 PM, Paul Hastings wrote:
>> On 3/6/2013 10:52 PM, Carlos Cruz wrote:
>>> 5. Coldfusion (will this be the next one on the Adobe guillotine)
>>
>> nope, supposedly doing better than ever. "reinvigorated" might be a good description.
>>
> ColdFusion has been dead a lot longer than Flash; in fact I think there has been a 'press' article on its death every 6 months for the past 10 years or so. In fact; I've only worked with one tech that wasn't being proclaimed as dying.
>
> #MustNotFeedTheTrollsFail
>
>
>
>
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Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Jeffry Houser <je...@dot-com-it.com>.
On 3/6/2013 12:39 PM, Paul Hastings wrote:
> On 3/6/2013 10:52 PM, Carlos Cruz wrote:
>> 5. Coldfusion (will this be the next one on the Adobe guillotine)
>
> nope, supposedly doing better than ever. "reinvigorated" might be a
> good description.
>
ColdFusion has been dead a lot longer than Flash; in fact I think
there has been a 'press' article on its death every 6 months for the
past 10 years or so. In fact; I've only worked with one tech that
wasn't being proclaimed as dying.
#MustNotFeedTheTrollsFail
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Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Paul Hastings <pa...@gmail.com>.
On 3/6/2013 10:52 PM, Carlos Cruz wrote:
> 5. Coldfusion (will this be the next one on the Adobe guillotine)
nope, supposedly doing better than ever. "reinvigorated" might be a good
description.
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Jaydeep Tank <ja...@gmail.com>.
Authorwate Too. It was the tool that i had used for 5 years
Regards,
Jaydeep Tank
On 6 March 2013 21:22, Carlos Cruz <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com> wrote:
> Just be glad Flex is out of Adobe's hands, I just wish the same fate would
> happen to Flash!! I had predicted the demise of all Macromedia products in
> the hands of Adobe, not because I'm extra smart (I'm not!!), just my
> opinion
> big multi-dimensional companies which are good at managing money but
> horrible at championing anything. Some of my examples of Adobe playing
> Ping-Pong and eventually killed/killing apps :
> 1 Flash Media Server (talk about a moving target and dysfunctional multi
> personalities and needless purposeful handicapping, and successfully making
> it an overpriced inferior product)
> 2. Director
> 3. Flex
> 5. Coldfusion (will this be the next one on the Adobe guillotine)
> 6. Freehand
> 7. Fireworks (a software still looking for a purpose in life)
> 8. ???? (fill in the blank)
> 9. Flash (last on my list because I still think it has a few useful years)
>
> Your platform of choice is like your favorite color, you can reason all you
> want, but if you're talking to someone who prefers another color, you are
> preaching to barbarians!! I personally believe Javascript and HTML5 are
> still very clunky and have many shortfalls, but this is just my opinion and
> yes I also used them daily, many people have a different opinion, and
> that's
> OK!!! But if you like Flex think about contributing something.....!!!
>
> Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders and their battle
> cries will echo their command in chief's carefully worded talking points,
> don't take their comments too personally or too close to heart, they are
> not
> your friends!!! Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what
> you have in your handbag or wallet!!!
>
> THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex
> project
> / platform.
>
> I'm not stating facts, I'm stating my opinions, but coffee break is over I
> must get back to work!
> Cheers!!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apache@teotigraphix.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:36 AM
> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Flash finally dead?
>
> I never respond to threads like this but...
>
> Flash was dead 2 years ago, if anybody has been reading my rants in the
> last
> two years, you would know I have said this.
>
> Flex was a framework that tied everything together from an IDE to
> deployment.
>
> What all web technologies have is a language, compiler and target. Do you
> think any of this is going to change?
>
> What Apache has is a language and compiler. Some may hate ActionScript,
> other may like it. Its a language folks, based on structured OOP that has
> been proven to manage large enterprise applications better than scripts
> loosely typed, this is a proven fact.
>
>
> If you ever met me in person you would learn one thing quick, my life
> doesn't revolve around technology and it doesn't drive my existence.
> Why does this matter, because if you can put technology in perspective and
> don't give into the emotional temptation of these "web factions"
> that exists, you can always create something "better" in the evolutionary
> chain.
>
> The fact is, millions of developers equals thousands of options.
> Apache Flex is a group that is setting out to make something. I have said
> it
> before and will say it again, Apache Flex is not Flex in the sense of what
> it can be in the future.
>
> We have to opportunity to finally "integrate" with the rest of the
> community
> instead of trying to "dominate" the community like Adobe did with the Flash
> Player. You wonder why there was such hatred for Flash?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>:
>
> > There are a couple of sub-projects going on that will 'relieve' Apache
> > Flex from the bonds of the Flash Player, whether it continues to exist
> > or not (my guess is: there is too much money invested - not only by
> > Adobe - for it to go soon and go quietly, you're reading too much into
> > that blog post).
> >
> > These projects (FalconJx, FlexJS and VanillaSDK) can all use
> > contributors. So, if you're interested in preparing Apache Flex for
> > the "post-Flash" era, join us and help make AS/MXML -> HTML5/JS a
> > reality sooner rather than later!
> >
> > EdB
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Vincent Sotto <ds...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> cobol is dead! NOT really...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira
> >> <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now...
> >>>
> >>> 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS <we...@hotmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on
> >>> > http://www.bytearray.org/?p=**
> >>> > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for
> >>> support
> >>> > new ios and android OSes
> >>> >
> >>> > -----Message d'origine----- From: Edouard
> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM
> >>> > To: dev@flex.apache.org
> >>> > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > just one question
> >>> > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but
> >>> > i used it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the
> >>> > capabilities of
> >>> Adobe
> >>> > air wich allow to make some native extension etc...
> >>> > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target
> >>> > mobile
> >>> ?
> >>> > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app
> >>> > and
> >>> reuse
> >>> > 85% of the code :/
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira <
> >>> > carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and
> >>> > have
> >>> >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to
> >>> >> reuse as many as you can. Flex is a great development platform
> >>> >> nowadays. GWT, JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its
> >>> >> own flavor. But all people here loves Flex because it fits it's
> >>> >> needs and thinks is the
> >>> better
> >>> >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They
> >>> >> are comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's
> >>> >> output is dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of
> >>> >> Flex and make it play in the HTML5 world...and be the best
> >>> >> *development* platform
> >>> competing
> >>> >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great
> >>> >> before in
> >>> >> *development* terms.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you
> >>> >> all the code, classes and features you need and work
> >>> >> seamless...while in HTML/JS you must to search for "scripts" and
> >>> >> libraries that makes different
> >>> people
> >>> >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many
> >>> >> time making it to work together.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users
> >>> >> and success in the competition...btw, competition is very good
> >>> >> and we should not try to be the only one option out there.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > @Carlos
> >>> >> > There is no such JS library.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit So if Flex turns out
> >>> >> > to be another JS cross compiler What would be the benefit of
> >>> >> > Flex over the above ?
> >>> >> > That s what i m asking myself.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I dont see none.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to
> >>> libraries/frameworks/**plataforms
> >>> >> > > in
> >>> >> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML
> >>> >> > > layout declaration?
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > Thanks in advance
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > > @Carlos
> >>> >> > > > I agree
> >>> >> > > >
> >>> >> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML
> argument.
> >>> >> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and
> >>> >> > > > > > >
> >>> >> compiling
> >>> >> > > down
> >>> >> > > > to JS.
> >>> >> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
> >>> >> > > >
> >>> >> > > >
> >>> >> > > >
> >>> >> > > >
> >>> >> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
> >>> >> > > >
> >>> >> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the
> >>> >> > > > > benefits of
> >>> >> > > Flex
> >>> >> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and
> >>> >> > > > > HTML /
> >>> JS. I
> >>> >> > > think
> >>> >> > > > in
> >>> >> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and
> >>> >> > > > > the
> >>> new
> >>> >> > > > framework
> >>> >> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs.
> >>> >> > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits
> >>> >> > > > > that gives us
> >>> >> > as
> >>> >> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support
> >>> >> > > > > the
> >>> >> > platform.
> >>> >> > > > If
> >>> >> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as
> >>> >> > > > > they > >
> >>> >> > > manage
> >>> >> > to
> >>> >> > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible
> >>> >> > > > > with HTML
> >>> >> > > > nowadays).
> >>> >> > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support
> >>> >> > > > > all we
> >>> had
> >>> >> in
> >>> >> > > the
> >>> >> > > > > flash runtime for my perfect...
> >>> >> > > > >
> >>> >> > > > >
> >>> >> > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> >>> >> > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline
> >>> >> > > > > > allready
> >>> >> > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > http://topcoat.io/
> >>> >> > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
> >>> >> > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do
> >>> >> > > > > > > this by
> >>> >> > virtue
> >>> >> > > > of
> >>> >> > > > > > his
> >>> >> > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and
> >>> >> > > > > > > push
> >>> them
> >>> >> to
> >>> >> > > > > > projects
> >>> >> > > > > > > that need evangelizing On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain
> >>> >> > > > > > > Ekambi" <
> >>> >> jazzmatadazz@gmail.com
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > > > wrote:
> >>> >> > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising
> >>> >> > > JavaScript/HTML
> >>> >> > > > > then
> >>> >> > > > > > > you
> >>> >> > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
> >>> >> > > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> >>> >> > > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> >>> >> > > > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a
> >>> company
> >>> >> has
> >>> >> > > no
> >>> >> > > > > > > control
> >>> >> > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do)
> >>> >> contribute.
> >>> >> > > > That's
> >>> >> > > > > > how
> >>> >> > > > > > > > the
> >>> >> > > > > > > > > ASF works.
> >>> >> > > > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good
> >>> >> > > > > > > > > session at
> >>> >> > > ApacheCon
> >>> >> > > > > NA
> >>> >> > > > > > on
> >>> >> > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source -
> >>> >> > > > > > > > > perhaps it
> >>> >> can
> >>> >> > > put
> >>> >> > > > > > things
> >>> >> > > > > > > > > into perspective?
> >>> >> > > > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/**apachecon/scbttz/<
> >>> http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/>
> >>> >> > > > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > >
> >>> >> > > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> http://archive.apachecon.com/**na2013/presentations/28-**
> >>> >> Thursday/Community_Over_code/**14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_**
> >>> >> when_using_Open_Source-Nick_**Burch.odp<
> >>> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Commun
> >>> ity_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nic
> >>> k_Burch.odp
> >>> >
> >>> >> > > > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Justin
> >>> >> > > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > >
> >>> >> > > > >
> >>> >> > > > >
> >>> >> > > > >
> >>> >> > > > > --
> >>> >> > > > > Carlos Rovira
> >>> >> > > > > Director de Tecnología
> >>> >> > > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >>> >> > > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
> >>> >> > > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com http://www.directwriter.es
> >>> >> > > > > http://www.avant2.es
> >>> >> > > > >
> >>> >> > > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > --
> >>> >> > > Carlos Rovira
> >>> >> > > Director de Tecnología
> >>> >> > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >>> >> > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
> >>> >> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
> >>> >> > > http://www.directwriter.es
> >>> >> > > http://www.avant2.es
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Carlos Rovira
> >>> >> Director de Tecnología
> >>> >> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >>> >> F: +34 912 94 80 80
> >>> >> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> >>> >> http://www.directwriter.es
> >>> >> http://www.avant2.es
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Edouard Bataille
> >>> > Epita MTI 2008
> >>> > Consultant Expert Java Flex
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Carlos Rovira
> >>> Director de Tecnología
> >>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >>> F: +34 912 94 80 80
> >>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> >>> http://www.directwriter.es
> >>> http://www.avant2.es
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
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>
RE: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Carlos Cruz <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com>.
I was being facetious!! I was not venting against anyone, for goodness sake
I'm still using Adobe Flex/Flash Builder 4.6 (not sure of the name myself)!!
I just find these discussions... "funny" and I was simply saying; if you
like Flex, use Flex!! if you like something else or you think Flex is dead
"use something else"!! don't follow what someone writes in their blog,
because we all have opinions and agendas and if these come at the end of a
paycheck that makes us a peon, not a derogatory term, but if the term
offended anyone I apologize, I should've said people who get paid to
practice, produce and voice what their employers and/or sponsors want in
relation to their professional activities.
But it's true, I'm glad Flex has left/leaving Adobe, as the owners of a
platform I use to make a living even before it was Adobe's, it is "my
opinion" they were an unreliable partner and I'm glad it's under the Apache
umbrella.
But if anyone thinks companies like IBM, Microsoft, Oracle and yes Adobe
amongst others donated anything because of their kind hearts or because they
have a social conscience, I will strongly disagree with them, while
maintaining there's nothing wrong with making money!!
I reiterate I'm was stating an opinion not a fact.
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Carlos Cruz <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com>
wrote:
>> ...Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders...
>> ...Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what you
>> have in your handbag or wallet!!!...
> ...
>> THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex
>> project
> ...
>
> Now you have a problem with the intersection of the above sets: Adobe
> folks who are working hard on the Flex project.
>
> I guess you might solve the problem with an apology.
+1
Don't blame the people, please (peons, really?). Also, maybe the Apache Flex
developers list is not the best place to vent your issues with Adobe. Don't
they have forums for that?
EdB
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Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>.
> Does Bashir al Assad has a forum?
Must... Not... Feed... Troll...
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AW: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Lists <li...@psycholutions.com>.
Does Bashir al Assad has a forum?
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Erik de Bruin [mailto:erik@ixsoftware.nl]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. März 2013 17:13
An: dev@flex.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Flash finally dead?
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Carlos Cruz <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com>
wrote:
>> ...Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders...
>> ...Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what you
>> have in your handbag or wallet!!!...
> ...
>> THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex
>> project
> ...
>
> Now you have a problem with the intersection of the above sets: Adobe
> folks who are working hard on the Flex project.
>
> I guess you might solve the problem with an apology.
+1
Don't blame the people, please (peons, really?). Also, maybe the Apache Flex
developers list is not the best place to vent your issues with Adobe. Don't
they have forums for that?
EdB
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Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>.
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Carlos Cruz <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com> wrote:
>> ...Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders...
>> ...Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what
>> you have in your handbag or wallet!!!...
> ...
>> THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex
>> project
> ...
>
> Now you have a problem with the intersection of the above sets: Adobe
> folks who are working hard on the Flex project.
>
> I guess you might solve the problem with an apology.
+1
Don't blame the people, please (peons, really?). Also, maybe the
Apache Flex developers list is not the best place to vent your issues
with Adobe. Don't they have forums for that?
EdB
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Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Carlos Cruz <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com> wrote:
> ...Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders...
> ...Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what
> you have in your handbag or wallet!!!...
...
> THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex
> project
...
Now you have a problem with the intersection of the above sets: Adobe
folks who are working hard on the Flex project.
I guess you might solve the problem with an apology.
-Bertrand
RE: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Carlos Cruz <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com>.
Just be glad Flex is out of Adobe's hands, I just wish the same fate would
happen to Flash!! I had predicted the demise of all Macromedia products in
the hands of Adobe, not because I'm extra smart (I'm not!!), just my opinion
big multi-dimensional companies which are good at managing money but
horrible at championing anything. Some of my examples of Adobe playing
Ping-Pong and eventually killed/killing apps :
1 Flash Media Server (talk about a moving target and dysfunctional multi
personalities and needless purposeful handicapping, and successfully making
it an overpriced inferior product)
2. Director
3. Flex
5. Coldfusion (will this be the next one on the Adobe guillotine)
6. Freehand
7. Fireworks (a software still looking for a purpose in life)
8. ???? (fill in the blank)
9. Flash (last on my list because I still think it has a few useful years)
Your platform of choice is like your favorite color, you can reason all you
want, but if you're talking to someone who prefers another color, you are
preaching to barbarians!! I personally believe Javascript and HTML5 are
still very clunky and have many shortfalls, but this is just my opinion and
yes I also used them daily, many people have a different opinion, and that's
OK!!! But if you like Flex think about contributing something.....!!!
Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders and their battle
cries will echo their command in chief's carefully worded talking points,
don't take their comments too personally or too close to heart, they are not
your friends!!! Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what
you have in your handbag or wallet!!!
THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex project
/ platform.
I'm not stating facts, I'm stating my opinions, but coffee break is over I
must get back to work!
Cheers!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apache@teotigraphix.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:36 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: Flash finally dead?
I never respond to threads like this but...
Flash was dead 2 years ago, if anybody has been reading my rants in the last
two years, you would know I have said this.
Flex was a framework that tied everything together from an IDE to
deployment.
What all web technologies have is a language, compiler and target. Do you
think any of this is going to change?
What Apache has is a language and compiler. Some may hate ActionScript,
other may like it. Its a language folks, based on structured OOP that has
been proven to manage large enterprise applications better than scripts
loosely typed, this is a proven fact.
If you ever met me in person you would learn one thing quick, my life
doesn't revolve around technology and it doesn't drive my existence.
Why does this matter, because if you can put technology in perspective and
don't give into the emotional temptation of these "web factions"
that exists, you can always create something "better" in the evolutionary
chain.
The fact is, millions of developers equals thousands of options.
Apache Flex is a group that is setting out to make something. I have said it
before and will say it again, Apache Flex is not Flex in the sense of what
it can be in the future.
We have to opportunity to finally "integrate" with the rest of the community
instead of trying to "dominate" the community like Adobe did with the Flash
Player. You wonder why there was such hatred for Flash?
Mike
Quoting Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>:
> There are a couple of sub-projects going on that will 'relieve' Apache
> Flex from the bonds of the Flash Player, whether it continues to exist
> or not (my guess is: there is too much money invested - not only by
> Adobe - for it to go soon and go quietly, you're reading too much into
> that blog post).
>
> These projects (FalconJx, FlexJS and VanillaSDK) can all use
> contributors. So, if you're interested in preparing Apache Flex for
> the "post-Flash" era, join us and help make AS/MXML -> HTML5/JS a
> reality sooner rather than later!
>
> EdB
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Vincent Sotto <ds...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> cobol is dead! NOT really...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira
>> <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now...
>>>
>>> 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS <we...@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on
>>> > http://www.bytearray.org/?p=**
>>> > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for
>>> support
>>> > new ios and android OSes
>>> >
>>> > -----Message d'origine----- From: Edouard
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM
>>> > To: dev@flex.apache.org
>>> > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > just one question
>>> > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but
>>> > i used it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the
>>> > capabilities of
>>> Adobe
>>> > air wich allow to make some native extension etc...
>>> > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target
>>> > mobile
>>> ?
>>> > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app
>>> > and
>>> reuse
>>> > 85% of the code :/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira <
>>> > carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and
>>> > have
>>> >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to
>>> >> reuse as many as you can. Flex is a great development platform
>>> >> nowadays. GWT, JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its
>>> >> own flavor. But all people here loves Flex because it fits it's
>>> >> needs and thinks is the
>>> better
>>> >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They
>>> >> are comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's
>>> >> output is dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of
>>> >> Flex and make it play in the HTML5 world...and be the best
>>> >> *development* platform
>>> competing
>>> >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great
>>> >> before in
>>> >> *development* terms.
>>> >>
>>> >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you
>>> >> all the code, classes and features you need and work
>>> >> seamless...while in HTML/JS you must to search for "scripts" and
>>> >> libraries that makes different
>>> people
>>> >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many
>>> >> time making it to work together.
>>> >>
>>> >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users
>>> >> and success in the competition...btw, competition is very good
>>> >> and we should not try to be the only one option out there.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>>> >>
>>> >> > @Carlos
>>> >> > There is no such JS library.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit So if Flex turns out
>>> >> > to be another JS cross compiler What would be the benefit of
>>> >> > Flex over the above ?
>>> >> > That s what i m asking myself.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I dont see none.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to
>>> libraries/frameworks/**plataforms
>>> >> > > in
>>> >> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML
>>> >> > > layout declaration?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Thanks in advance
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > @Carlos
>>> >> > > > I agree
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument.
>>> >> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and
>>> >> > > > > > >
>>> >> compiling
>>> >> > > down
>>> >> > > > to JS.
>>> >> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the
>>> >> > > > > benefits of
>>> >> > > Flex
>>> >> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and
>>> >> > > > > HTML /
>>> JS. I
>>> >> > > think
>>> >> > > > in
>>> >> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and
>>> >> > > > > the
>>> new
>>> >> > > > framework
>>> >> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs.
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits
>>> >> > > > > that gives us
>>> >> > as
>>> >> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support
>>> >> > > > > the
>>> >> > platform.
>>> >> > > > If
>>> >> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as
>>> >> > > > > they > >
>>> >> > > manage
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible
>>> >> > > > > with HTML
>>> >> > > > nowadays).
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support
>>> >> > > > > all we
>>> had
>>> >> in
>>> >> > > the
>>> >> > > > > flash runtime for my perfect...
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline
>>> >> > > > > > allready
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > http://topcoat.io/
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do
>>> >> > > > > > > this by
>>> >> > virtue
>>> >> > > > of
>>> >> > > > > > his
>>> >> > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and
>>> >> > > > > > > push
>>> them
>>> >> to
>>> >> > > > > > projects
>>> >> > > > > > > that need evangelizing On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain
>>> >> > > > > > > Ekambi" <
>>> >> jazzmatadazz@gmail.com
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > > wrote:
>>> >> > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising
>>> >> > > JavaScript/HTML
>>> >> > > > > then
>>> >> > > > > > > you
>>> >> > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
>>> >> > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
>>> >> > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > > Hi,
>>> >> > > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a
>>> company
>>> >> has
>>> >> > > no
>>> >> > > > > > > control
>>> >> > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do)
>>> >> contribute.
>>> >> > > > That's
>>> >> > > > > > how
>>> >> > > > > > > > the
>>> >> > > > > > > > > ASF works.
>>> >> > > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good
>>> >> > > > > > > > > session at
>>> >> > > ApacheCon
>>> >> > > > > NA
>>> >> > > > > > on
>>> >> > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source -
>>> >> > > > > > > > > perhaps it
>>> >> can
>>> >> > > put
>>> >> > > > > > things
>>> >> > > > > > > > > into perspective?
>>> >> > > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/**apachecon/scbttz/<
>>> http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/>
>>> >> > > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >
>>> >> http://archive.apachecon.com/**na2013/presentations/28-**
>>> >> Thursday/Community_Over_code/**14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_**
>>> >> when_using_Open_Source-Nick_**Burch.odp<
>>> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Commun
>>> ity_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nic
>>> k_Burch.odp
>>> >
>>> >> > > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
>>> >> > > > > > > > > Justin
>>> >> > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > --
>>> >> > > > > Carlos Rovira
>>> >> > > > > Director de Tecnología
>>> >> > > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>> >> > > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
>>> >> > > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com http://www.directwriter.es
>>> >> > > > > http://www.avant2.es
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > --
>>> >> > > Carlos Rovira
>>> >> > > Director de Tecnología
>>> >> > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>> >> > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
>>> >> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
>>> >> > > http://www.directwriter.es
>>> >> > > http://www.avant2.es
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Carlos Rovira
>>> >> Director de Tecnología
>>> >> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>> >> F: +34 912 94 80 80
>>> >> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>>> >> http://www.directwriter.es
>>> >> http://www.avant2.es
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Edouard Bataille
>>> > Epita MTI 2008
>>> > Consultant Expert Java Flex
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carlos Rovira
>>> Director de Tecnología
>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>> F: +34 912 94 80 80
>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>>> http://www.directwriter.es
>>> http://www.avant2.es
>>>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Michael Schmalle <ap...@teotigraphix.com>.
I never respond to threads like this but...
Flash was dead 2 years ago, if anybody has been reading my rants in
the last two years, you would know I have said this.
Flex was a framework that tied everything together from an IDE to deployment.
What all web technologies have is a language, compiler and target. Do
you think any of this is going to change?
What Apache has is a language and compiler. Some may hate
ActionScript, other may like it. Its a language folks, based on
structured OOP that has been proven to manage large enterprise
applications better than scripts loosely typed, this is a proven fact.
If you ever met me in person you would learn one thing quick, my life
doesn't revolve around technology and it doesn't drive my existence.
Why does this matter, because if you can put technology in perspective
and don't give into the emotional temptation of these "web factions"
that exists, you can always create something "better" in the
evolutionary chain.
The fact is, millions of developers equals thousands of options.
Apache Flex is a group that is setting out to make something. I have
said it before and will say it again, Apache Flex is not Flex in the
sense of what it can be in the future.
We have to opportunity to finally "integrate" with the rest of the
community instead of trying to "dominate" the community like Adobe did
with the Flash Player. You wonder why there was such hatred for Flash?
Mike
Quoting Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>:
> There are a couple of sub-projects going on that will 'relieve' Apache
> Flex from the bonds of the Flash Player, whether it continues to exist
> or not (my guess is: there is too much money invested - not only by
> Adobe - for it to go soon and go quietly, you're reading too much into
> that blog post).
>
> These projects (FalconJx, FlexJS and VanillaSDK) can all use
> contributors. So, if you're interested in preparing Apache Flex for
> the "post-Flash" era, join us and help make AS/MXML -> HTML5/JS a
> reality sooner rather than later!
>
> EdB
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Vincent Sotto <ds...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> cobol is dead! NOT really...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now...
>>>
>>> 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS <we...@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=**
>>> > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for
>>> support
>>> > new ios and android OSes
>>> >
>>> > -----Message d'origine----- From: Edouard
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM
>>> > To: dev@flex.apache.org
>>> > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > just one question
>>> > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used
>>> > it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of
>>> Adobe
>>> > air wich allow to make some native extension etc...
>>> > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile
>>> ?
>>> > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and
>>> reuse
>>> > 85% of the code :/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira <
>>> > carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have
>>> >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as
>>> >> many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT,
>>> >> JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all
>>> >> people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the
>>> better
>>> >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are
>>> >> comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is
>>> >> dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it
>>> >> play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform
>>> competing
>>> >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in
>>> >> *development* terms.
>>> >>
>>> >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the
>>> >> code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS
>>> >> you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different
>>> people
>>> >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time
>>> >> making it to work together.
>>> >>
>>> >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and
>>> >> success
>>> >> in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try
>>> >> to
>>> >> be the only one option out there.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>>> >>
>>> >> > @Carlos
>>> >> > There is no such JS library.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit
>>> >> > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler
>>> >> > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ?
>>> >> > That s what i m asking myself.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I dont see none.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to
>>> libraries/frameworks/**plataforms
>>> >> > > in
>>> >> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout
>>> >> > > declaration?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Thanks in advance
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > @Carlos
>>> >> > > > I agree
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument.
>>> >> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and > > >
>>> >> compiling
>>> >> > > down
>>> >> > > > to JS.
>>> >> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits
>>> >> > > > > of
>>> >> > > Flex
>>> >> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML /
>>> JS. I
>>> >> > > think
>>> >> > > > in
>>> >> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the
>>> new
>>> >> > > > framework
>>> >> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs.
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives
>>> >> > > > > us
>>> >> > as
>>> >> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the
>>> >> > platform.
>>> >> > > > If
>>> >> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they > >
>>> >> > > manage
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML
>>> >> > > > nowadays).
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we
>>> had
>>> >> in
>>> >> > > the
>>> >> > > > > flash runtime for my perfect...
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > http://topcoat.io/
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by
>>> >> > virtue
>>> >> > > > of
>>> >> > > > > > his
>>> >> > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push
>>> them
>>> >> to
>>> >> > > > > > projects
>>> >> > > > > > > that need evangelizing
>>> >> > > > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <
>>> >> jazzmatadazz@gmail.com
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > > wrote:
>>> >> > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising
>>> >> > > JavaScript/HTML
>>> >> > > > > then
>>> >> > > > > > > you
>>> >> > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
>>> >> > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
>>> >> > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > > Hi,
>>> >> > > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a
>>> company
>>> >> has
>>> >> > > no
>>> >> > > > > > > control
>>> >> > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do)
>>> >> contribute.
>>> >> > > > That's
>>> >> > > > > > how
>>> >> > > > > > > > the
>>> >> > > > > > > > > ASF works.
>>> >> > > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at
>>> >> > > ApacheCon
>>> >> > > > > NA
>>> >> > > > > > on
>>> >> > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it
>>> >> can
>>> >> > > put
>>> >> > > > > > things
>>> >> > > > > > > > > into perspective?
>>> >> > > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/**apachecon/scbttz/<
>>> http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/>
>>> >> > > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >
>>> >> http://archive.apachecon.com/**na2013/presentations/28-**
>>> >> Thursday/Community_Over_code/**14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_**
>>> >> when_using_Open_Source-Nick_**Burch.odp<
>>> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
>>> >
>>> >> > > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
>>> >> > > > > > > > > Justin
>>> >> > > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > --
>>> >> > > > > Carlos Rovira
>>> >> > > > > Director de Tecnología
>>> >> > > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>> >> > > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
>>> >> > > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
>>> >> > > > > http://www.directwriter.es
>>> >> > > > > http://www.avant2.es
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > --
>>> >> > > Carlos Rovira
>>> >> > > Director de Tecnología
>>> >> > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>> >> > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
>>> >> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
>>> >> > > http://www.directwriter.es
>>> >> > > http://www.avant2.es
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Carlos Rovira
>>> >> Director de Tecnología
>>> >> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>> >> F: +34 912 94 80 80
>>> >> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>>> >> http://www.directwriter.es
>>> >> http://www.avant2.es
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Edouard Bataille
>>> > Epita MTI 2008
>>> > Consultant Expert Java Flex
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carlos Rovira
>>> Director de Tecnología
>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>> F: +34 912 94 80 80
>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>>> http://www.directwriter.es
>>> http://www.avant2.es
>>>
>
>
>
> --
> Ix Multimedia Software
>
> Jan Luykenstraat 27
> 3521 VB Utrecht
>
> T. 06-51952295
> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>
--
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http://www.teotigraphix.com
http://blog.teotigraphix.com
RE: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Sugan Naicker <Su...@Dev-X.co.za>.
Hi Erik,
Well said!
Rgs,
Sugan
-----Original Message-----
From: Erik de Bruin [mailto:erik@ixsoftware.nl]
Sent: 06 March 2013 01:04 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: Flash finally dead?
There are a couple of sub-projects going on that will 'relieve' Apache Flex
from the bonds of the Flash Player, whether it continues to exist or not (my
guess is: there is too much money invested - not only by Adobe - for it to
go soon and go quietly, you're reading too much into that blog post).
These projects (FalconJx, FlexJS and VanillaSDK) can all use contributors.
So, if you're interested in preparing Apache Flex for the "post-Flash" era,
join us and help make AS/MXML -> HTML5/JS a reality sooner rather than
later!
EdB
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Vincent Sotto <ds...@gmail.com> wrote:
> cobol is dead! NOT really...
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira
> <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com
>> wrote:
>
>> AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now...
>>
>> 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS <we...@hotmail.com>
>>
>> > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on
>> > http://www.bytearray.org/?p=**
>> > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for
>> support
>> > new ios and android OSes
>> >
>> > -----Message d'origine----- From: Edouard
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM
>> > To: dev@flex.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead?
>> >
>> >
>> > just one question
>> > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but
>> > i used it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the
>> > capabilities of
>> Adobe
>> > air wich allow to make some native extension etc...
>> > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target
>> > mobile
>> ?
>> > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app
>> > and
>> reuse
>> > 85% of the code :/
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira <
>> > carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have
>> >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to
>> >> reuse as many as you can. Flex is a great development platform
>> >> nowadays. GWT, JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its
>> >> own flavor. But all people here loves Flex because it fits it's
>> >> needs and thinks is the
>> better
>> >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They
>> >> are comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's
>> >> output is dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of
>> >> Flex and make it play in the HTML5 world...and be the best
>> >> *development* platform
>> competing
>> >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great
>> >> before in
>> >> *development* terms.
>> >>
>> >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you
>> >> all the code, classes and features you need and work
>> >> seamless...while in HTML/JS you must to search for "scripts" and
>> >> libraries that makes different
>> people
>> >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many
>> >> time making it to work together.
>> >>
>> >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users
>> >> and success in the competition...btw, competition is very good and
>> >> we should not try to be the only one option out there.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> > @Carlos
>> >> > There is no such JS library.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit So if Flex turns out
>> >> > to be another JS cross compiler What would be the benefit of
>> >> > Flex over the above ?
>> >> > That s what i m asking myself.
>> >> >
>> >> > I dont see none.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
>> >> >
>> >> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to
>> libraries/frameworks/**plataforms
>> >> > > in
>> >> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML
>> >> > > layout declaration?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks in advance
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > @Carlos
>> >> > > > I agree
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument.
>> >> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> compiling
>> >> > > down
>> >> > > > to JS.
>> >> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the
>> >> > > > > benefits of
>> >> > > Flex
>> >> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML
>> >> > > > > /
>> JS. I
>> >> > > think
>> >> > > > in
>> >> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and
>> >> > > > > the
>> new
>> >> > > > framework
>> >> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that
>> >> > > > > gives us
>> >> > as
>> >> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support
>> >> > > > > the
>> >> > platform.
>> >> > > > If
>> >> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as
>> >> > > > > they > >
>> >> > > manage
>> >> > to
>> >> > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible
>> >> > > > > with HTML
>> >> > > > nowadays).
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support
>> >> > > > > all we
>> had
>> >> in
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > > > flash runtime for my perfect...
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline
>> >> > > > > > allready
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > http://topcoat.io/
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do
>> >> > > > > > > this by
>> >> > virtue
>> >> > > > of
>> >> > > > > > his
>> >> > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and
>> >> > > > > > > push
>> them
>> >> to
>> >> > > > > > projects
>> >> > > > > > > that need evangelizing On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain
>> >> > > > > > > Ekambi" <
>> >> jazzmatadazz@gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> > > > wrote:
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising
>> >> > > JavaScript/HTML
>> >> > > > > then
>> >> > > > > > > you
>> >> > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Hi,
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a
>> company
>> >> has
>> >> > > no
>> >> > > > > > > control
>> >> > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do)
>> >> contribute.
>> >> > > > That's
>> >> > > > > > how
>> >> > > > > > > > the
>> >> > > > > > > > > ASF works.
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good
>> >> > > > > > > > > session at
>> >> > > ApacheCon
>> >> > > > > NA
>> >> > > > > > on
>> >> > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source -
>> >> > > > > > > > > perhaps it
>> >> can
>> >> > > put
>> >> > > > > > things
>> >> > > > > > > > > into perspective?
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/**apachecon/scbttz/<
>> http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/>
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> http://archive.apachecon.com/**na2013/presentations/28-**
>> >> Thursday/Community_Over_code/**14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_**
>> >> when_using_Open_Source-Nick_**Burch.odp<
>> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Communi
>> ty_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_
>> Burch.odp
>> >
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
>> >> > > > > > > > > Justin
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > --
>> >> > > > > Carlos Rovira
>> >> > > > > Director de Tecnología
>> >> > > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> >> > > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
>> >> > > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com http://www.directwriter.es
>> >> > > > > http://www.avant2.es
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > Carlos Rovira
>> >> > > Director de Tecnología
>> >> > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> >> > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
>> >> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> >> > > http://www.directwriter.es
>> >> > > http://www.avant2.es
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Carlos Rovira
>> >> Director de Tecnología
>> >> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> >> F: +34 912 94 80 80
>> >> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> >> http://www.directwriter.es
>> >> http://www.avant2.es
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Edouard Bataille
>> > Epita MTI 2008
>> > Consultant Expert Java Flex
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carlos Rovira
>> Director de Tecnología
>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> F: +34 912 94 80 80
>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> http://www.directwriter.es
>> http://www.avant2.es
>>
--
Ix Multimedia Software
Jan Luykenstraat 27
3521 VB Utrecht
T. 06-51952295
I. www.ixsoftware.nl
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>.
There are a couple of sub-projects going on that will 'relieve' Apache
Flex from the bonds of the Flash Player, whether it continues to exist
or not (my guess is: there is too much money invested - not only by
Adobe - for it to go soon and go quietly, you're reading too much into
that blog post).
These projects (FalconJx, FlexJS and VanillaSDK) can all use
contributors. So, if you're interested in preparing Apache Flex for
the "post-Flash" era, join us and help make AS/MXML -> HTML5/JS a
reality sooner rather than later!
EdB
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Vincent Sotto <ds...@gmail.com> wrote:
> cobol is dead! NOT really...
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com
>> wrote:
>
>> AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now...
>>
>> 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS <we...@hotmail.com>
>>
>> > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=**
>> > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for
>> support
>> > new ios and android OSes
>> >
>> > -----Message d'origine----- From: Edouard
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM
>> > To: dev@flex.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead?
>> >
>> >
>> > just one question
>> > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used
>> > it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of
>> Adobe
>> > air wich allow to make some native extension etc...
>> > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile
>> ?
>> > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and
>> reuse
>> > 85% of the code :/
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira <
>> > carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have
>> >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as
>> >> many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT,
>> >> JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all
>> >> people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the
>> better
>> >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are
>> >> comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is
>> >> dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it
>> >> play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform
>> competing
>> >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in
>> >> *development* terms.
>> >>
>> >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the
>> >> code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS
>> >> you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different
>> people
>> >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time
>> >> making it to work together.
>> >>
>> >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and
>> >> success
>> >> in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try
>> >> to
>> >> be the only one option out there.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> > @Carlos
>> >> > There is no such JS library.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit
>> >> > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler
>> >> > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ?
>> >> > That s what i m asking myself.
>> >> >
>> >> > I dont see none.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
>> >> >
>> >> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to
>> libraries/frameworks/**plataforms
>> >> > > in
>> >> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout
>> >> > > declaration?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks in advance
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > @Carlos
>> >> > > > I agree
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument.
>> >> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and > > >
>> >> compiling
>> >> > > down
>> >> > > > to JS.
>> >> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits
>> >> > > > > of
>> >> > > Flex
>> >> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML /
>> JS. I
>> >> > > think
>> >> > > > in
>> >> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the
>> new
>> >> > > > framework
>> >> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives
>> >> > > > > us
>> >> > as
>> >> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the
>> >> > platform.
>> >> > > > If
>> >> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they > >
>> >> > > manage
>> >> > to
>> >> > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML
>> >> > > > nowadays).
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we
>> had
>> >> in
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > > > flash runtime for my perfect...
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > http://topcoat.io/
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by
>> >> > virtue
>> >> > > > of
>> >> > > > > > his
>> >> > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push
>> them
>> >> to
>> >> > > > > > projects
>> >> > > > > > > that need evangelizing
>> >> > > > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <
>> >> jazzmatadazz@gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> > > > wrote:
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising
>> >> > > JavaScript/HTML
>> >> > > > > then
>> >> > > > > > > you
>> >> > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Hi,
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a
>> company
>> >> has
>> >> > > no
>> >> > > > > > > control
>> >> > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do)
>> >> contribute.
>> >> > > > That's
>> >> > > > > > how
>> >> > > > > > > > the
>> >> > > > > > > > > ASF works.
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at
>> >> > > ApacheCon
>> >> > > > > NA
>> >> > > > > > on
>> >> > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it
>> >> can
>> >> > > put
>> >> > > > > > things
>> >> > > > > > > > > into perspective?
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/**apachecon/scbttz/<
>> http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/>
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> http://archive.apachecon.com/**na2013/presentations/28-**
>> >> Thursday/Community_Over_code/**14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_**
>> >> when_using_Open_Source-Nick_**Burch.odp<
>> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
>> >
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
>> >> > > > > > > > > Justin
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > --
>> >> > > > > Carlos Rovira
>> >> > > > > Director de Tecnología
>> >> > > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> >> > > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
>> >> > > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> >> > > > > http://www.directwriter.es
>> >> > > > > http://www.avant2.es
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > Carlos Rovira
>> >> > > Director de Tecnología
>> >> > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> >> > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
>> >> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> >> > > http://www.directwriter.es
>> >> > > http://www.avant2.es
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Carlos Rovira
>> >> Director de Tecnología
>> >> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> >> F: +34 912 94 80 80
>> >> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> >> http://www.directwriter.es
>> >> http://www.avant2.es
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Edouard Bataille
>> > Epita MTI 2008
>> > Consultant Expert Java Flex
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carlos Rovira
>> Director de Tecnología
>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> F: +34 912 94 80 80
>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> http://www.directwriter.es
>> http://www.avant2.es
>>
--
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T. 06-51952295
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Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Vincent Sotto <ds...@gmail.com>.
cobol is dead! NOT really...
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com
> wrote:
> AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now...
>
> 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS <we...@hotmail.com>
>
> > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=**
> > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for
> support
> > new ios and android OSes
> >
> > -----Message d'origine----- From: Edouard
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM
> > To: dev@flex.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead?
> >
> >
> > just one question
> > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used
> > it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of
> Adobe
> > air wich allow to make some native extension etc...
> > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile
> ?
> > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and
> reuse
> > 85% of the code :/
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira <
> > carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
> >
> > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have
> >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as
> >> many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT,
> >> JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all
> >> people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the
> better
> >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are
> >> comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is
> >> dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it
> >> play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform
> competing
> >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in
> >> *development* terms.
> >>
> >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the
> >> code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS
> >> you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different
> people
> >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time
> >> making it to work together.
> >>
> >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and
> >> success
> >> in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try
> >> to
> >> be the only one option out there.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> > @Carlos
> >> > There is no such JS library.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit
> >> > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler
> >> > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ?
> >> > That s what i m asking myself.
> >> >
> >> > I dont see none.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
> >> >
> >> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to
> libraries/frameworks/**plataforms
> >> > > in
> >> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout
> >> > > declaration?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks in advance
> >> > >
> >> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > > @Carlos
> >> > > > I agree
> >> > > >
> >> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument.
> >> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and > > >
> >> compiling
> >> > > down
> >> > > > to JS.
> >> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits
> >> > > > > of
> >> > > Flex
> >> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML /
> JS. I
> >> > > think
> >> > > > in
> >> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the
> new
> >> > > > framework
> >> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives
> >> > > > > us
> >> > as
> >> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the
> >> > platform.
> >> > > > If
> >> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they > >
> >> > > manage
> >> > to
> >> > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML
> >> > > > nowadays).
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we
> had
> >> in
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > flash runtime for my perfect...
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > http://topcoat.io/
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by
> >> > virtue
> >> > > > of
> >> > > > > > his
> >> > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push
> them
> >> to
> >> > > > > > projects
> >> > > > > > > that need evangelizing
> >> > > > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <
> >> jazzmatadazz@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising
> >> > > JavaScript/HTML
> >> > > > > then
> >> > > > > > > you
> >> > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a
> company
> >> has
> >> > > no
> >> > > > > > > control
> >> > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do)
> >> contribute.
> >> > > > That's
> >> > > > > > how
> >> > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > ASF works.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at
> >> > > ApacheCon
> >> > > > > NA
> >> > > > > > on
> >> > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it
> >> can
> >> > > put
> >> > > > > > things
> >> > > > > > > > > into perspective?
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/**apachecon/scbttz/<
> http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/>
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> http://archive.apachecon.com/**na2013/presentations/28-**
> >> Thursday/Community_Over_code/**14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_**
> >> when_using_Open_Source-Nick_**Burch.odp<
> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
> >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > > > > > > Justin
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Carlos Rovira
> >> > > > > Director de Tecnología
> >> > > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >> > > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
> >> > > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
> >> > > > > http://www.directwriter.es
> >> > > > > http://www.avant2.es
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Carlos Rovira
> >> > > Director de Tecnología
> >> > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >> > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
> >> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
> >> > > http://www.directwriter.es
> >> > > http://www.avant2.es
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Carlos Rovira
> >> Director de Tecnología
> >> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >> F: +34 912 94 80 80
> >> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> >> http://www.directwriter.es
> >> http://www.avant2.es
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Edouard Bataille
> > Epita MTI 2008
> > Consultant Expert Java Flex
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> Director de Tecnología
> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> F: +34 912 94 80 80
> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> http://www.directwriter.es
> http://www.avant2.es
>
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.
AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now...
2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS <we...@hotmail.com>
> From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=**
> 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for support
> new ios and android OSes
>
> -----Message d'origine----- From: Edouard
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM
> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Flash finally dead?
>
>
> just one question
> For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used
> it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of Adobe
> air wich allow to make some native extension etc...
> What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile ?
> The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and reuse
> 85% of the code :/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira <
> carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
>
> Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have
>> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as
>> many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT,
>> JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all
>> people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the better
>> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are
>> comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is
>> dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it
>> play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform competing
>> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in
>> *development* terms.
>>
>> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the
>> code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS
>> you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different people
>> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time
>> making it to work together.
>>
>> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and
>> success
>> in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try
>> to
>> be the only one option out there.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>>
>> > @Carlos
>> > There is no such JS library.
>> >
>> >
>> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit
>> > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler
>> > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ?
>> > That s what i m asking myself.
>> >
>> > I dont see none.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
>> >
>> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to libraries/frameworks/**plataforms
>> > > in
>> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout
>> > > declaration?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks in advance
>> > >
>> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > > @Carlos
>> > > > I agree
>> > > >
>> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument.
>> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and > > >
>> compiling
>> > > down
>> > > > to JS.
>> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com**>
>> > > >
>> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits
>> > > > > of
>> > > Flex
>> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I
>> > > think
>> > > > in
>> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new
>> > > > framework
>> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives
>> > > > > us
>> > as
>> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the
>> > platform.
>> > > > If
>> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they > >
>> > > manage
>> > to
>> > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML
>> > > > nowadays).
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had
>> in
>> > > the
>> > > > > flash runtime for my perfect...
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > http://topcoat.io/
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by
>> > virtue
>> > > > of
>> > > > > > his
>> > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them
>> to
>> > > > > > projects
>> > > > > > > that need evangelizing
>> > > > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <
>> jazzmatadazz@gmail.com
>> >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising
>> > > JavaScript/HTML
>> > > > > then
>> > > > > > > you
>> > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Hi,
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company
>> has
>> > > no
>> > > > > > > control
>> > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do)
>> contribute.
>> > > > That's
>> > > > > > how
>> > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > ASF works.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at
>> > > ApacheCon
>> > > > > NA
>> > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it
>> can
>> > > put
>> > > > > > things
>> > > > > > > > > into perspective?
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/**apachecon/scbttz/<http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/>
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://archive.apachecon.com/**na2013/presentations/28-**
>> Thursday/Community_Over_code/**14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_**
>> when_using_Open_Source-Nick_**Burch.odp<http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp>
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > > > > > Justin
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Carlos Rovira
>> > > > > Director de Tecnología
>> > > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> > > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
>> > > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> > > > > http://www.directwriter.es
>> > > > > http://www.avant2.es
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Carlos Rovira
>> > > Director de Tecnología
>> > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
>> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> > > http://www.directwriter.es
>> > > http://www.avant2.es
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carlos Rovira
>> Director de Tecnología
>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>> F: +34 912 94 80 80
>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>> http://www.directwriter.es
>> http://www.avant2.es
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Edouard Bataille
> Epita MTI 2008
> Consultant Expert Java Flex
>
--
Carlos Rovira
Director de Tecnología
M: +34 607 22 60 05
F: +34 912 94 80 80
http://www.codeoscopic.com
http://www.directwriter.es
http://www.avant2.es
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Frédéric THOMAS <we...@hotmail.com>.
>From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197
Air going to continue for support new ios and android OSes
-----Message d'origine-----
From: Edouard
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: Flash finally dead?
just one question
For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used
it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of Adobe
air wich allow to make some native extension etc...
What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile ?
The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and reuse
85% of the code :/
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira <
carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
> Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have
> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as
> many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT,
> JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all
> people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the better
> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are
> comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is
> dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it
> play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform competing
> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in
> *development* terms.
>
> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the
> code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS
> you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different people
> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time
> making it to work together.
>
> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and
> success
> in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try
> to
> be the only one option out there.
>
>
>
> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>
> > @Carlos
> > There is no such JS library.
> >
> >
> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit
> > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler
> > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ?
> > That s what i m asking myself.
> >
> > I dont see none.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>
> >
> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to libraries/frameworks/plataforms
> > > in
> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout
> > > declaration?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > @Carlos
> > > > I agree
> > > >
> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument.
> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and
> > > > compiling
> > > down
> > > > to JS.
> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>
> > > >
> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits
> > > > > of
> > > Flex
> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I
> > > think
> > > > in
> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new
> > > > framework
> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs.
> > > > >
> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives
> > > > > us
> > as
> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the
> > platform.
> > > > If
> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they
> > > > > manage
> > to
> > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML
> > > > nowadays).
> > > > >
> > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had
> in
> > > the
> > > > > flash runtime for my perfect...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://topcoat.io/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by
> > virtue
> > > > of
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them
> to
> > > > > > projects
> > > > > > > that need evangelizing
> > > > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <jazzmatadazz@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising
> > > JavaScript/HTML
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company
> has
> > > no
> > > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do)
> contribute.
> > > > That's
> > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > ASF works.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at
> > > ApacheCon
> > > > > NA
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it
> can
> > > put
> > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > into perspective?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > Justin
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Carlos Rovira
> > > > > Director de Tecnología
> > > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
> > > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
> > > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
> > > > > http://www.directwriter.es
> > > > > http://www.avant2.es
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carlos Rovira
> > > Director de Tecnología
> > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
> > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
> > > http://www.directwriter.es
> > > http://www.avant2.es
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> Director de Tecnología
> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> F: +34 912 94 80 80
> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> http://www.directwriter.es
> http://www.avant2.es
>
--
Edouard Bataille
Epita MTI 2008
Consultant Expert Java Flex
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Edouard <ed...@gmail.com>.
just one question
For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used
it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of Adobe
air wich allow to make some native extension etc...
What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile ?
The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and reuse
85% of the code :/
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira <
carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
> Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have
> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as
> many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT,
> JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all
> people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the better
> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are
> comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is
> dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it
> play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform competing
> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in
> *development* terms.
>
> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the
> code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS
> you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different people
> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time
> making it to work together.
>
> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and success
> in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try to
> be the only one option out there.
>
>
>
> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>
> > @Carlos
> > There is no such JS library.
> >
> >
> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit
> > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler
> > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ?
> > That s what i m asking myself.
> >
> > I dont see none.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>
> >
> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to libraries/frameworks/plataforms in
> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout
> > > declaration?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > @Carlos
> > > > I agree
> > > >
> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument.
> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and compiling
> > > down
> > > > to JS.
> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>
> > > >
> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits of
> > > Flex
> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I
> > > think
> > > > in
> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new
> > > > framework
> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs.
> > > > >
> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives us
> > as
> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the
> > platform.
> > > > If
> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they manage
> > to
> > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML
> > > > nowadays).
> > > > >
> > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had
> in
> > > the
> > > > > flash runtime for my perfect...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://topcoat.io/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by
> > virtue
> > > > of
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them
> to
> > > > > > projects
> > > > > > > that need evangelizing
> > > > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <jazzmatadazz@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising
> > > JavaScript/HTML
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company
> has
> > > no
> > > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do)
> contribute.
> > > > That's
> > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > ASF works.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at
> > > ApacheCon
> > > > > NA
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it
> can
> > > put
> > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > into perspective?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > Justin
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Carlos Rovira
> > > > > Director de Tecnología
> > > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
> > > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
> > > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
> > > > > http://www.directwriter.es
> > > > > http://www.avant2.es
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carlos Rovira
> > > Director de Tecnología
> > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
> > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
> > > http://www.directwriter.es
> > > http://www.avant2.es
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> Director de Tecnología
> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> F: +34 912 94 80 80
> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> http://www.directwriter.es
> http://www.avant2.es
>
--
Edouard Bataille
Epita MTI 2008
Consultant Expert Java Flex
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.
Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have
resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as
many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT,
JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all
people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the better
platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are
comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is
dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it
play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform competing
with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in
*development* terms.
One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the
code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS
you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different people
and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time
making it to work together.
That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and success
in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try to
be the only one option out there.
2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> @Carlos
> There is no such JS library.
>
>
> But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit
> So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler
> What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ?
> That s what i m asking myself.
>
> I dont see none.
>
>
>
> 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>
>
> > Hi Alain, please can you point me to libraries/frameworks/plataforms in
> > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout
> > declaration?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > @Carlos
> > > I agree
> > >
> > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument.
> > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and compiling
> > down
> > > to JS.
> > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>
> > >
> > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits of
> > Flex
> > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I
> > think
> > > in
> > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new
> > > framework
> > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs.
> > > >
> > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives us
> as
> > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the
> platform.
> > > If
> > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they manage
> to
> > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML
> > > nowadays).
> > > >
> > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had in
> > the
> > > > flash runtime for my perfect...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready
> > > > >
> > > > > http://topcoat.io/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by
> virtue
> > > of
> > > > > his
> > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to
> > > > > projects
> > > > > > that need evangelizing
> > > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <ja...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising
> > JavaScript/HTML
> > > > then
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has
> > no
> > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute.
> > > That's
> > > > > how
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > ASF works.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at
> > ApacheCon
> > > > NA
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can
> > put
> > > > > things
> > > > > > > > into perspective?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Justin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Carlos Rovira
> > > > Director de Tecnología
> > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
> > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
> > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
> > > > http://www.directwriter.es
> > > > http://www.avant2.es
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carlos Rovira
> > Director de Tecnología
> > M: +34 607 22 60 05
> > F: +34 912 94 80 80
> > http://www.codeoscopic.com
> > http://www.directwriter.es
> > http://www.avant2.es
> >
>
--
Carlos Rovira
Director de Tecnología
M: +34 607 22 60 05
F: +34 912 94 80 80
http://www.codeoscopic.com
http://www.directwriter.es
http://www.avant2.es
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>.
@Carlos
There is no such JS library.
But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit
So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler
What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ?
That s what i m asking myself.
I dont see none.
2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>
> Hi Alain, please can you point me to libraries/frameworks/plataforms in
> HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout
> declaration?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>
> > @Carlos
> > I agree
> >
> > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument.
> > There are several libaries out there providing the same and compiling
> down
> > to JS.
> > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>
> >
> > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits of
> Flex
> > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I
> think
> > in
> > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new
> > framework
> > > will have the potential for multiple outputs.
> > >
> > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives us as
> > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the platform.
> > If
> > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they manage to
> > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML
> > nowadays).
> > >
> > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had in
> the
> > > flash runtime for my perfect...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready
> > > >
> > > > http://topcoat.io/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
> > > >
> > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by virtue
> > of
> > > > his
> > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to
> > > > projects
> > > > > that need evangelizing
> > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <ja...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising
> JavaScript/HTML
> > > then
> > > > > you
> > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has
> no
> > > > > control
> > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute.
> > That's
> > > > how
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > ASF works.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at
> ApacheCon
> > > NA
> > > > on
> > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can
> put
> > > > things
> > > > > > > into perspective?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Justin
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carlos Rovira
> > > Director de Tecnología
> > > M: +34 607 22 60 05
> > > F: +34 912 94 80 80
> > > http://www.codeoscopic.com
> > > http://www.directwriter.es
> > > http://www.avant2.es
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> Director de Tecnología
> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> F: +34 912 94 80 80
> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> http://www.directwriter.es
> http://www.avant2.es
>
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.
Hi Alain, please can you point me to libraries/frameworks/plataforms in
HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout declaration?
Thanks in advance
2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> @Carlos
> I agree
>
> But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument.
> There are several libaries out there providing the same and compiling down
> to JS.
> Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
>
>
>
>
> 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>
>
> > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits of Flex
> > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I think
> in
> > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new
> framework
> > will have the potential for multiple outputs.
> >
> > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives us as
> > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the platform.
> If
> > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they manage to
> > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML
> nowadays).
> >
> > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had in the
> > flash runtime for my perfect...
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready
> > >
> > > http://topcoat.io/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
> > >
> > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by virtue
> of
> > > his
> > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to
> > > projects
> > > > that need evangelizing
> > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML
> > then
> > > > you
> > > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no
> > > > control
> > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute.
> That's
> > > how
> > > > > the
> > > > > > ASF works.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon
> > NA
> > > on
> > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put
> > > things
> > > > > > into perspective?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Justin
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carlos Rovira
> > Director de Tecnología
> > M: +34 607 22 60 05
> > F: +34 912 94 80 80
> > http://www.codeoscopic.com
> > http://www.directwriter.es
> > http://www.avant2.es
> >
>
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http://www.avant2.es
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>.
@Carlos
I agree
But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument.
There are several libaries out there providing the same and compiling down
to JS.
Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project.
2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>
> In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits of Flex
> (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I think in
> older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new framework
> will have the potential for multiple outputs.
>
> IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives us as
> developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the platform. If
> is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they manage to
> produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML nowadays).
>
> If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had in the
> flash runtime for my perfect...
>
>
>
> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
>
> > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready
> >
> > http://topcoat.io/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
> >
> > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by virtue of
> > his
> > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to
> > projects
> > > that need evangelizing
> > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML
> then
> > > you
> > > > know that Flash is in trouble.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no
> > > control
> > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's
> > how
> > > > the
> > > > > ASF works.
> > > > >
> > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon
> NA
> > on
> > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put
> > things
> > > > > into perspective?
> > > > >
> > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Justin
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> Director de Tecnología
> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> F: +34 912 94 80 80
> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> http://www.directwriter.es
> http://www.avant2.es
>
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.
In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits of Flex
(OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I think in
older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new framework
will have the potential for multiple outputs.
IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives us as
developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the platform. If
is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they manage to
produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML nowadays).
If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had in the
flash runtime for my perfect...
2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>
> And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready
>
> http://topcoat.io/
>
>
>
>
> 2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
>
> > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by virtue of
> his
> > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to
> projects
> > that need evangelizing
> > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML then
> > you
> > > know that Flash is in trouble.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no
> > control
> > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's
> how
> > > the
> > > > ASF works.
> > > >
> > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA
> on
> > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put
> things
> > > > into perspective?
> > > >
> > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Justin
> > >
> >
>
--
Carlos Rovira
Director de Tecnología
M: +34 607 22 60 05
F: +34 912 94 80 80
http://www.codeoscopic.com
http://www.directwriter.es
http://www.avant2.es
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>.
And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready
http://topcoat.io/
2013/3/6 aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>
> Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by virtue of his
> job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to projects
> that need evangelizing
> On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML then
> you
> > know that Flash is in trouble.
> >
> >
> > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no
> control
> > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how
> > the
> > > ASF works.
> > >
> > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on
> > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things
> > > into perspective?
> > >
> > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> >
>
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by aYo ~ <ay...@binitie.com>.
Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by virtue of his
job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to projects
that need evangelizing
On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML then you
> know that Flash is in trouble.
>
>
> 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no control
> > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how
> the
> > ASF works.
> >
> > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on
> > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things
> > into perspective?
> >
> > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
> >
> >
> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
>
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>.
It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML then you
know that Flash is in trouble.
2013/3/6 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> Hi,
>
> Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no control
> over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how the
> ASF works.
>
> Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on
> the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things
> into perspective?
>
> http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
>
> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Nicholas Kwiatkowski <ni...@spoon.as>.
It is highly doubtful that Adobe will donate Flash Player. A majority of
the product is based around 3rd party libraries and licensed software that
they don't control. If they do end up donating it, it will look more like
the project they open-sourced with Mozilla than what Flash Player looks
like today. Either way, it won't be the same product, or even close to, we
are used to.
-Nick
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Cedric Muller <us...@benga.li> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A naive question/observation could be: if Adobe ever drops Flash Player
> support (and all the Flash ecosystem), will they contribute the source or
> will it end the Flash side of Flex (but opening the newly fresh path to JS)
> ? (I know that there is no answer yet, and my question is totally biased).
>
> Add this to the coward business attitude now, and we all get the picture.
> Adobe is right trying to. But Adobe could be just dropping a jewel without
> even knowing it (an unsellable jewel, that was initially wrong, think of
> the 99% of Flash, Nielsen was right in the end and now it is HTML5's turn
> to suffer on bad design). Also, the Flex project is well shaped to the
> future bullets, already envisionning the JS routes and so.
>
> Good we are all here, glad to see this live and running ... plus: all the
> digital signage solutions that need dynamic data are still fed with Flash !
> (OK, ok, JS too, but ... yeah, seems , ok ok. It will be alright).
>
> Apologies to all!
>
> Cedric
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no control
> over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how the
> ASF works.
> >
> > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on
> the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things
> into perspective?
> >
> > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
> >
> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
>
>
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Cedric Muller <us...@benga.li>.
Hi,
A naive question/observation could be: if Adobe ever drops Flash Player support (and all the Flash ecosystem), will they contribute the source or will it end the Flash side of Flex (but opening the newly fresh path to JS) ? (I know that there is no answer yet, and my question is totally biased).
Add this to the coward business attitude now, and we all get the picture. Adobe is right trying to. But Adobe could be just dropping a jewel without even knowing it (an unsellable jewel, that was initially wrong, think of the 99% of Flash, Nielsen was right in the end and now it is HTML5's turn to suffer on bad design). Also, the Flex project is well shaped to the future bullets, already envisionning the JS routes and so.
Good we are all here, glad to see this live and running ... plus: all the digital signage solutions that need dynamic data are still fed with Flash ! (OK, ok, JS too, but ... yeah, seems , ok ok. It will be alright).
Apologies to all!
Cedric
> Hi,
>
> Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no control over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how the ASF works.
>
> Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things into perspective?
>
> http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no control over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how the ASF works.
Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things into perspective?
http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/
http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp
Thanks,
Justin
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
Here is the wiki posts on one approach to JS conversion:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototype
On 3/5/13 10:37 PM, "Avinash Narayanan" <av...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just want to give an organizational perspective on this. Am having a hard
> time convincing customers as it is to do even a desktop based app project
> in flex simply because they're shit scared Adobe will do something
> mindblowingly inconsiderate to flex like taking off flash support etc. I
> have not been following the group emails for a few months now (I apologize
> for that) but if this AS to JS conversion becomes a reality. Especially if
> that is going to get done by the browser automatically as a plugin, I'll be
> the first one to cheer and get back on the band wagon. The last year and
> few months has been horrible for us flex developers in MNCs especially
> services side.
>
> Thanks
> Avinash Y
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Justin Mclean
> <ju...@classsoftware.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Not really to do with Flex development but I'll post a reply. I'd just
>> read that that his role has changed inside Adobe. IMO worse case even if
>> Adobe totally abandoned Flash tomorrow we would have some time (3 or 4
>> years) before it wasn't in common use. Flex is also actively investigating
>> AS to JS compilation.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Avinash Narayanan <av...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Just want to give an organizational perspective on this. Am having a hard
time convincing customers as it is to do even a desktop based app project
in flex simply because they're shit scared Adobe will do something
mindblowingly inconsiderate to flex like taking off flash support etc. I
have not been following the group emails for a few months now (I apologize
for that) but if this AS to JS conversion becomes a reality. Especially if
that is going to get done by the browser automatically as a plugin, I'll be
the first one to cheer and get back on the band wagon. The last year and
few months has been horrible for us flex developers in MNCs especially
services side.
Thanks
Avinash Y
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Not really to do with Flex development but I'll post a reply. I'd just
> read that that his role has changed inside Adobe. IMO worse case even if
> Adobe totally abandoned Flash tomorrow we would have some time (3 or 4
> years) before it wasn't in common use. Flex is also actively investigating
> AS to JS compilation.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
Not really to do with Flex development but I'll post a reply. I'd just read that that his role has changed inside Adobe. IMO worse case even if Adobe totally abandoned Flash tomorrow we would have some time (3 or 4 years) before it wasn't in common use. Flex is also actively investigating AS to JS compilation.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: Flash finally dead?
Posted by Angelo Anolin <an...@gmail.com>.
If this is really the case, then wouldn't it be best if adobe simply
donates Flash to the community?
On Mar 5, 2013 10:55 PM, "Federico Jakimowicz" <po...@outlook.com>
wrote:
> After reading Thibault's statements on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197 I
> don't have any other thing to think that he is stating the death hour of
> the FlashPlayer. This is really sad.
>