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Posted to dev@qpid.apache.org by Steve Vinoski <vi...@iona.com> on 2006/11/14 18:54:14 UTC
IRC, IM, etc. (was: Re: Maven build)
On Nov 14, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
> From informal discussion, IRC, IM etc this morning that I want to
> reflect back onto the list some of the informal comments. From
> these watercooler discussion it is clear to me that we don't have
> anyone with deep maven experience which is creating unease.
A point of order: having these offline discussions is not the way
things are supposed to happen. Reflecting them back to this list does
not make it right. You're having discussions about maven work without
inviting anyone with maven knowledge to the table, and then
implicitly forcing decisions based on those discussions back onto
this list.
Please keep important issues like this off IRC, IM, and such, and in
this mailing list, so that we can all participate.
--steve
P.S. If there actually is an informal Qpid IRC channel, can someone
point me to it? Also, it would be best to put the details on the wiki
if they're not already there.
Re: IRC, IM, etc. (was: Re: Maven build)
Posted by John O'Hara <jo...@gmail.com>.
Some of us can't use that from work.
Network security types have powerful network sniffers, and they do come
calling -- about 5 days to notice last time we tried it for the protocol
working group!
We can, however, use Jabber, AOL and Yahoo IM.... any way of getting Logged
IRC out of that mess?
john
On 14/11/06, Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com> wrote:
>
>
> > P.S. If there actually is an informal Qpid IRC channel, can someone
> > point me to it? Also, it would be best to put the details on the wiki
> > if they're not already there.
>
> Just FYI: if you want the channel on irc.codehaus.org, we could probably
> get it logged fairly easily. That's what we've done for the #CXF
> channel.
>
> Also, codehaus.org has a "http frontend" at:
> http://irc.codehaus.org/
> so even those behind firewalls can participate.
>
> That said, decisions still must be made on the email list.
>
> --
> J. Daniel Kulp
> Principal Engineer
> IONA
> P: 781-902-8727 C: 508-380-7194 F:781-902-8001
> daniel.kulp@iona.com
>
Re: IRC, IM, etc.
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
Someone has created a qpid channel out at freenode.... there is little
-> no traffic on it.
Carl.
Daniel Kulp wrote:
>> P.S. If there actually is an informal Qpid IRC channel, can someone
>> point me to it? Also, it would be best to put the details on the wiki
>> if they're not already there.
>>
>
> Just FYI: if you want the channel on irc.codehaus.org, we could probably
> get it logged fairly easily. That's what we've done for the #CXF
> channel.
>
> Also, codehaus.org has a "http frontend" at:
> http://irc.codehaus.org/
> so even those behind firewalls can participate.
>
> That said, decisions still must be made on the email list.
>
>
Re: IRC, IM, etc. (was: Re: Maven build)
Posted by Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com>.
> P.S. If there actually is an informal Qpid IRC channel, can someone
> point me to it? Also, it would be best to put the details on the wiki
> if they're not already there.
Just FYI: if you want the channel on irc.codehaus.org, we could probably
get it logged fairly easily. That's what we've done for the #CXF
channel.
Also, codehaus.org has a "http frontend" at:
http://irc.codehaus.org/
so even those behind firewalls can participate.
That said, decisions still must be made on the email list.
--
J. Daniel Kulp
Principal Engineer
IONA
P: 781-902-8727 C: 508-380-7194 F:781-902-8001
daniel.kulp@iona.com
Re: IRC, IM, etc.
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
For some reason my posts are getting dropped or delayed. re-send.
Carl Trieloff wrote:
> Steve Vinoski wrote:
>> On Nov 14, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>
>>> From informal discussion, IRC, IM etc this morning that I want to
>>> reflect back onto the list some of the informal comments. From
>>> these watercooler discussion it is clear to me that we don't have
>>> anyone with deep maven experience which is creating unease.
>>
>> A point of order: having these offline discussions is not the way
>> things are supposed to happen. Reflecting them back to this list does
>> not make it right. You're having discussions about maven work without
>> inviting anyone with maven knowledge to the table.
> Not true.
>> and then implicitly forcing decisions based on those discussions back
>> onto this list.
> Not true.
>>
>> Please keep important issues like this off IRC, IM, and such, and in
>> this mailing list, so that we can all participate.
>
> ... the key is that no business is conducted or decisions are made off
> the list. however if I walk into you in a pub or speak to someone in a
> cafeteria you can be sure we will talk. For example you and I IM every
> now and again, and you can IRC to the asfinfra team....
>
> To this end, I head some concerns from others, and brought this
> straight back to the list. I hope that you will do the same. Bringing
> items to the list so that we can have an open public list discussion
> is the right way to do it (which is what is current happening on the
> list on the maven topic), and not to pretend that no-one ever speaks
> to anyone else. I wrote a similar mail when I noted your concerns
> about trying to get maven done with all the changes in the tests, to
> check group consensus to merge the test changes directly on main-line,
> and yes you and I IM'ed at bit that morning - the discussion to open a
> window for maven was however discussed on the list.
>
> To expect that someone will not IM/IRC someone they know to ask a
> question is absurd. The key is what you say above: ---> that no
> project decisions are happening off list <--
>
> This is exactly why I wrote the mail I did on the maven topic on the
> list,
>
> regards,
> Carl.
>
>>
>> --steve
>>
>> P.S. If there actually is an informal Qpid IRC channel, can someone
>> point me to it? Also, it would be best to put the details on the wiki
>> if they're not already there.
>
>
Re: IRC, IM, etc.
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
Steve Vinoski wrote:
> On Nov 14, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
>> From informal discussion, IRC, IM etc this morning that I want to
>> reflect back onto the list some of the informal comments. From these
>> watercooler discussion it is clear to me that we don't have anyone
>> with deep maven experience which is creating unease.
>
> A point of order: having these offline discussions is not the way
> things are supposed to happen. Reflecting them back to this list does
> not make it right. You're having discussions about maven work without
> inviting anyone with maven knowledge to the table.
Not true.
> and then implicitly forcing decisions based on those discussions back
> onto this list.
Not true.
>
> Please keep important issues like this off IRC, IM, and such, and in
> this mailing list, so that we can all participate.
... the key is that no business is conducted or decisions are made off
the list. however if I walk into you in a pub or speak to someone in a
cafeteria you can be sure we will talk. For example you and I IM every
now and again, and you can IRC to the asfinfra team....
To this end, I head some concerns from others, and brought this straight
back to the list. I hope that you will do the same. Bringing items to
the list so that we can have an open public list discussion is the right
way to do it (which is what is current happening on the list on the
maven topic), and not to pretend that no-one ever speaks to anyone
else. I wrote a similar mail when I noted your concerns about trying to
get maven done with all the changes in the tests, to check group
consensus to merge the test changes directly on main-line, and yes you
and I IM'ed at bit that morning - the discussion to open a window for
maven was however discussed on the list.
To expect that someone will not IM/IRC someone they know to ask a
question is absurd. The key is what you say above: ---> that no project
decisions are happening off list <--
This is exactly why I wrote the mail I did on the maven topic on the list,
regards,
Carl.
>
> --steve
>
> P.S. If there actually is an informal Qpid IRC channel, can someone
> point me to it? Also, it would be best to put the details on the wiki
> if they're not already there.