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Posted to user@mesos.apache.org by Vinod Kone <vi...@apache.org> on 2016/06/24 23:17:15 UTC
Re: Slack as the canonical chat channel
Anyone can self-invite now by going here:
https://mesos-slackin.herokuapp.com/
Happy Friday!
P.S: Right now the invites come from my apache.org email address. Need to
figure out how to make them come from a generic (e.g., dev@mesos.apache.org)
email address.
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Vinod Kone <vi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Yup. It is linked in the channel description.
> http://mesos.slackarchive.io/
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:36 AM, James Peach <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are there public archives of the slack channel
>>
>> > On Jun 24, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Vinod Kone <vi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > The plan is to open them up to all. Currently, slack has a limitation
>> that
>> > either users have to be invited individually (which doesn't scale) or
>> they
>> > need to belong to manually created white-list of corporate domains
>> (which
>> > doesn't scale either).
>> >
>> > I'm looking into using 3rd party tools like
>> > https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to let anyone signup.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Vaibhav Khanduja <
>> vaibhavkhanduja@gmail.com
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> >> We should atleast open this to contributors or who has access to
>> assign
>> >> issue to them ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 6/23/16, 10:50 PM, "Vinod Kone" <vi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Opened it up for few more domain names (ibm, apple etc). If your
>> domain is
>> >>> listed at https://mesos.slack.com/signup please feel free to join.
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 7:07 PM, tommy xiao <xi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> because the mesos repo is not hosted on github. gitter.im is not
>> best
>> >>>> option on team. slack is popular than gitter.im. so i suggest based
>> on
>> >>>> slack.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2016-06-24 8:11 GMT+08:00 Jay JN Guo <gu...@cn.ibm.com>:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Great, thanks for your effort! We'd love to see it's opening up
>> soon!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> /J
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Vinod Kone <vi...@apache.org> wrote on 06/24/2016 00:36:44:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> From: Vinod Kone <vi...@apache.org>
>> >>>>>> To: dev <de...@mesos.apache.org>
>> >>>>>> Cc: Benjamin Hindman <be...@mesosphere.io>, Jake Farrell
>> >>>>> <jf...@apache.org>
>> >>>>>> Date: 06/24/2016 00:37
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Slack as the canonical chat channel
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Looks like there is an overwhelming majority for *slack*! So, I
>> went
>> >>>>> ahead
>> >>>>>> and created a slack team https://mesos.slack.com.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> For now, you can signup if you have a "*apache.org <
>> >> http://apache.org
>> >>>>> *"
>> >>>>>> email address (https://mesos.slack.com/signup). I'll start slowly
>> >>>>> opening
>> >>>>>> it up for more people as we get our feet wet and iron out any
>> >> kinks. So
>> >>>>>> everyone should still keep using #mesos IRC channel.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>> Vinod
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 9:42 AM, José Guilherme Vanz <
>> >>>>>> guilherme.sft@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Yeah, sound as a good option.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 at 20:04 Cosmin Lehene <cl...@adobe.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Looks like there's a majority of +1 for Slack, so this this may
>> >> be
>> >>>>>>>> pointless, however :), have you considered gitter.im (
>> >>>>>>>> https://gitter.im/home/explore/)?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> It has similar capabilities to Slack, but it's (unlimited) free
>> >> for
>> >>>>> open
>> >>>>>>>> source projects and seamlessly works over Github organizations
>> >> and
>> >>>>> repos
>> >>>>>>>> with several major open source projects using it.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Cosmin
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>>>>> From: haosdent <ha...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 6:48:02 PM
>> >>>>>>>> To: dev
>> >>>>>>>> Cc: Benjamin Hindman; Jake Farrell
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Slack as the canonical chat channel
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> +1 For Slack
>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 4:04 AM, "Vinod Kone" <vi...@apache.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Looks like people have jumped the gun here before I sent the
>> >>>>> email :)
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Here is the context. During the community sync we discussed
>> >> about
>> >>>>> using
>> >>>>>>>>> *Slack* or *HipChat* as our official chat channel instead of
>> >> our
>> >>>>>>> current
>> >>>>>>>>> #mesos IRC channel on freenode.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The main reasons for using Slack/Hipchat are
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> - In-client chat history
>> >>>>>>>>> - Discoverability of work group specific channels
>> >>>>>>>>> - Email notifications when offline
>> >>>>>>>>> - Modern UX and clients
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> During the sync most people preferred the move to *Slack*. I
>> >>>> wanted
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>> get
>> >>>>>>>>> a sense from other community members as well through this
>> >> email.
>> >>>>> Please
>> >>>>>>>> let
>> >>>>>>>>> us know what you think.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Note that even if we move to Slack, we will make sure people
>> >> can
>> >>>>> still
>> >>>>>>>>> connect using IRC clients and that the chat history is
>> >> publicly
>> >>>>>>> available
>> >>>>>>>>> (per ASF guidelines). During the transition period, we might
>> >>>> mirror
>> >>>>>>>>> messages from Slack channel to IRC and vice-versa.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Vinit Mahedia
>> >>>>> <vinitmahedia@gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> +1 Slack.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:59 AM, Jay JN Guo
>> >>>>> <gu...@cn.ibm.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 Slack!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> /J
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Vaibhav Khanduja <va...@gmail.com> wrote on
>> >>>>> 06/16/2016
>> >>>>>>>>>> 22:26:27:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Vaibhav Khanduja <va...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@mesos.apache.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 06/16/2016 22:26
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Notification: Community Meeting @ Thu Jun
>> >> 16,
>> >>>>> 2016
>> >>>>>>> 3pm
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - 4pm (Apache Mesos)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> + 1 slack
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse for typos and
>> >> brevity of
>> >>>>> this
>> >>>>>>>>>> message.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 6:46 PM, haosdent <
>> >>>> haosdent@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 For Slack.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:33 AM, Greg Mann <
>> >>>>>>> greg@mesosphere.io>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the notes from our community sync meeting
>> >> this
>> >>>>>>>> afternoon:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attendees:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mesosphere: Joris, Greg, Haris, Artem, Joseph, Kapil,
>> >>>>> Anand,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Gilbert,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harpreet, Kevin, Vinod, Jie, Joerg, MPark
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uber: Zhitao Li
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agenda/Note:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reviewing the list of maintainers on
>> >>>>> http://mesos.apache.org/documentation/latest/committers/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Add components for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Documentation (docs/*)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows (*windows*)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> C++ standards (docs/c++-style-guide.md)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTTP API (http.*)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Persistence
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Test infrastructure (src/tests/*)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Build-related
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Autotools, CMake
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subdivide Stout
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subdivide Libprocess (3rdparty/libprocess/*)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subdivide Container-related things
>> >>>>>>>>>> (src/slave/containerizer/*)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Networking
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Storage
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resource allocation/Scheduler
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Development tools
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think about some tooling to facilitate this
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>> http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/MAINTAINERS
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI: Ben Mahler will send out an email to the
>> >>>> mailing
>> >>>>> list
>> >>>>>>>>> about
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintainers
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reviewing and updating the roadmap.
>> >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MESOS/Roadmap
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (NOTE: it’ll be moved to documentation roadmap.md)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Review of working groups
>> >>>> https://github.com/apache/mesos/blob/master/docs/working-groups.md
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI [Jie]: Send emails to working group contacts
>> >>>>> (Simulation,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Performance
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isolation, Resource Allocation)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI [Jie] : Split Nested Container into Pods and
>> >> Nested
>> >>>>>>>>> Containers
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI [Jie] : Remove Strategy
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI [Jie]: Send a proposal to dev@ regarding work
>> >>>> groups
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI [Kevin] : Add a WG for Community (reviews,
>> >>>>> maintainers,
>> >>>>>>>> etc)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Fan / Joris] Rack Awareness
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Need to find a shepherd!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI [Joris]: Ask on the dev@ list for the use
>> >> case
>> >>>>> w.r.t
>> >>>>>>>>>>> frameworks
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Closing stale reviews ( > 3 months)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI [Joris/Artem/Vinod/Joseph]: Policy for
>> >>>> re-opening
>> >>>>>>>> reviews
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI [Joris/Artem] : Email dev@ as a heads up
>> >> before
>> >>>>>>> closing
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reviews (referencing above policy)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI [Artem] : Revive Community Kanban board to
>> >>>>> properly
>> >>>>>>>>>> prioritize
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> track issues
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Community metrics (e.g., affiliations)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI [Mpark] : Blog post around Mesocon NA
>> >> community
>> >>>>> talk
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI [Artem] : Email dev@ and personally to
>> >> solicit
>> >>>>>>>>> affiliations
>> >>>>>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributor metrics
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communication Channel
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slack, HipChat, IRC?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AI [Vinod] : Email dev@ and user@ about using
>> >>>> Slack
>> >>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>>>> canonical
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> communication channel
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Greg Mann <
>> >>>>>>> greg@mesosphere.io
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also note: tomorrow's community sync will be hosted
>> >> at
>> >>>>>>>> Mesosphere
>> >>>>>>>>>> HQ,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 88
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stevenson St., San Francisco, CA. Community members
>> >> are
>> >>>>>>> welcome
>> >>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> attend
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in person!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As usual, Google Hangout and Youtube links for the
>> >>>>> meeting
>> >>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>>>>> posted
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Google doc just before the meeting begins.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Michael Park <
>> >>>>>>>> mpark@apache.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Google Calendar"
>> >>>>> <ca...@google.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Jun 15, 2016 6:00 PM
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Notification: Community Meeting @ Thu Jun
>> >> 16,
>> >>>>> 2016
>> >>>>>>>> 3pm
>> >>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 4pm
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Apache Mesos)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Michael Park" <mc...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more details »
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/calendar/event?
>> >>
>> action=VIEW&eid=dmF2a2xrZG1mNGhsb25qYXJzb2ZnOGxrMWNfMjAxNjA2MTZUMjIwMDAwWiAyaGVjdm5kYzBtbmFxbGlyMzRjcW5mdnRha0Bn
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Community Meeting
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *When*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thu Jun 16, 2016 3pm – 4pm Pacific Time
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Calendar*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Mesos
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Who*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> •
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Park - creator
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> •
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dev@mesos.apache.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Attachments*
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mesos Developer Community Sync
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/
>> >>>>> 153CUCj5LOJCFAVpdDZC7COJDwKh9RDjxaTA0S7lzwDA/edit?usp=drive_web
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Invitation from Google Calendar <
>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/calendar/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are receiving this email at the account
>> >>>>>>> mcypark@gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>> because
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set a notification for this event on the calendar
>> >>>> Apache
>> >>>>>>>> Mesos.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can change your notifications for specific
>> >> events
>> >>>> in
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> event
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page in https://www.google.com/calendar/.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding this invitation could allow any
>> >> recipient
>> >>>> to
>> >>>>>>> modify
>> >>>>>>>>>> your
>> >>>>>>>>>>> RSVP
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response. Learn More
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>> >>>>>>> https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37135#forwarding
>> >>>>>>>>> .
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Haosdent Huang
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>> ~Vinit
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Deshi Xiao
>> >>>> Twitter: xds2000
>> >>>> E-mail: xiaods(AT)gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
>>
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