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What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?
Hi all
Does anybody know when 1.2 (or a beta of 1.2) will be released?
Regards,
Behrang S.
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Re: Debian Logic (was Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?)
Posted by Tristan Seligmann <tr...@quotemaster.co.za>.
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:20:09PM -0500, Kevin Puetz wrote:
> The name 1.0.8+1.1.0rc4-1 is a bit harder to justify; you want it to compare
> as greater than 1.0.8-?, but less than 1.1.0-1 (which would normally the
> number for the first full release into unstable). I think the more common
> choice would have been to call it 1.1.0-0rc4 or similar (with the 0 version
> putting it in the right place). The maintainer would have to be around to
> answer that one, if the changelog doesn't make it clear :-)
Actually, I think it's fairly common to package a newer upstream version
in experimental as <current unstable version>+<new version>.
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Re: Debian Logic (was Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?)
Posted by Kevin Puetz <pu...@puetzk.org>.
It's fairly common in debian to put a new upstream into 'experimental' for a
brief while, especially if the packaging scripts needed some changes. In
this case, it may also have been done because the maintainer wanted to let
1.0.8 make it from unstable to testing (ie, into the upcoming sarge
release), before replacing the version in unstable (which would have
restarted the shakedown period). So that's probably why it didn't go
directly into unstable.
<'unstable' vs 'testing'>
Normally, a package version must be in unstable for at least N amount of
time (varies according to various policies) without having bugs of severity
>= normal filed against it before it is allowed to propagate into testing.
Manual override is possible, but in this case since testing is about to
become sarge, exceptions to the rules are harder to come by.
</'unstable' vs 'testing'>
The name 1.0.8+1.1.0rc4-1 is a bit harder to justify; you want it to compare
as greater than 1.0.8-?, but less than 1.1.0-1 (which would normally the
number for the first full release into unstable). I think the more common
choice would have been to call it 1.1.0-0rc4 or similar (with the 0 version
putting it in the right place). The maintainer would have to be around to
answer that one, if the changelog doesn't make it clear :-)
Ross Boylan wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:36:12AM +0800, Alan Knowles wrote:
>> Getting a bit off topic -
>>
>> Does anyone know whats the logic behind calling the experimental release
>> 1.0.8+1.1.0rc4-1, what wrong with just releasing 1.1.0? - it's beyond
>> confusing (and since subversion is such a brease to build - thanks to
>> some very good code), I dont usually use the packages, (although it
>> would be nice to..)
>>
>> Regards
>> Alan
>>
> My, that does seem obscure. At a guess, it's 1.0.8 + some code
> from later. Further guess: there was concern that 1.1, since it has
> big changes, might have some brokenness.
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Re: Debian Logic (was Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?)
Posted by Ross Boylan <Ro...@stanfordalumni.org>.
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:36:12AM +0800, Alan Knowles wrote:
> Getting a bit off topic -
>
> Does anyone know whats the logic behind calling the experimental release
> 1.0.8+1.1.0rc4-1, what wrong with just releasing 1.1.0? - it's beyond
> confusing (and since subversion is such a brease to build - thanks to
> some very good code), I dont usually use the packages, (although it
> would be nice to..)
>
> Regards
> Alan
>
My, that does seem obscure. At a guess, it's 1.0.8 + some code
from later. Further guess: there was concern that 1.1, since it has
big changes, might have some brokenness.
A sort of related thread is at
http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=dev&by=thread&from=234097
Actually, grabbing the diff file from qa.debian, the changelog says
+subversion (1.0.8-1) unstable; urgency=high
+
+ * New upstream release.
+ * CAN-2004-0749: mod_authz_svn fails to protect metadata
+ * Minor build system changes so we can easily support subversion 1.1.x.
That's from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/subversion/subversion_1.0.8-1.diff.gz
I don't know why that merited the name complication.
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Debian Logic (was Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion
1.2?)
Posted by Alan Knowles <al...@akbkhome.com>.
Getting a bit off topic -
Does anyone know whats the logic behind calling the experimental release
1.0.8+1.1.0rc4-1, what wrong with just releasing 1.1.0? - it's beyond
confusing (and since subversion is such a brease to build - thanks to
some very good code), I dont usually use the packages, (although it
would be nice to..)
Regards
Alan
Ross Boylan wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 07:39:06AM +0200, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote:
>
>
>>On Thursday 07 October 2004 02:30, Erik Anderson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm just holding my breath until Debian removes it from the 'experimental'
>>>category... (http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/subversion.html)
>>>
>>>
>>Don't hold your breath for Debian, unless you want to suffocate... ;-)
>>
>>
>> Konrad
>>
>>
>>
>
>Huh? It's already in various flavors of debian.
>I'm not sure what you mean by "experimental"; ordinarily it refers to
>a branch that is outside of stable/testing/unstable. It's been in the
>regular branches for awhile, and should be in the next official
>release.
>
>$ apt-show-versions -a subversion
>subversion 1.0.6-2 install ok installed
>No stable version
>subversion 1.0.6-2 testing
>subversion 1.0.6-2 unstable
>subversion/testing uptodate 1.0.6-2
>
>The page you refer to simply shows that the latest version (1.0.8) is
>held up for various reasons. Earlier versions are out.
>
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Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?
Posted by Ross Boylan <ro...@biostat.ucsf.edu>.
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 07:39:06AM +0200, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote:
> On Thursday 07 October 2004 02:30, Erik Anderson wrote:
> > I'm just holding my breath until Debian removes it from the 'experimental'
> > category... (http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/subversion.html)
>
> Don't hold your breath for Debian, unless you want to suffocate... ;-)
>
>
> Konrad
>
Huh? It's already in various flavors of debian.
I'm not sure what you mean by "experimental"; ordinarily it refers to
a branch that is outside of stable/testing/unstable. It's been in the
regular branches for awhile, and should be in the next official
release.
$ apt-show-versions -a subversion
subversion 1.0.6-2 install ok installed
No stable version
subversion 1.0.6-2 testing
subversion 1.0.6-2 unstable
subversion/testing uptodate 1.0.6-2
The page you refer to simply shows that the latest version (1.0.8) is
held up for various reasons. Earlier versions are out.
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Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?
Posted by Holger Rauch <ho...@heitec.de>.
On Thu, 07 Oct 2004, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote:
> [...]
> Don't hold your breath for Debian, unless you want to suffocate... ;-)
Well, Debian's release policies have (at least up to now) always paid in the
long run ;-) I've been using it for 3 years now (converted from SuSE) and I
just got to say it contains a lot less crap and has finer grained packages
compared to the other distros.
But I surely DON'T want to start a distro flamewar here :-)
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Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?
Posted by Konrad Rosenbaum <ko...@silmor.de>.
On Thursday 07 October 2004 02:30, Erik Anderson wrote:
> I'm just holding my breath until Debian removes it from the 'experimental'
> category... (http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/subversion.html)
Don't hold your breath for Debian, unless you want to suffocate... ;-)
Konrad
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Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?
Posted by Erik Anderson <er...@teamworkgroup.com>.
I'm just holding my breath until Debian removes it from the 'experimental'
category... (http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/subversion.html)
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From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" <su...@collab.net>
To: "Dave Neary" <da...@phenix.fr>
Cc: <us...@subversion.tigris.org>; "Behrang Saeedzadeh"
<be...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?
>
> On Oct 4, 2004, at 2:52 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Behrang,
> >
> > Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:
> >> Does anybody know when 1.2 (or a beta of 1.2) will be released?
> >
> > I get the impression that you believe that 1.2 will be the next stable
> > version. Unlike some other open source or free software projects,
> > Subversion doesn't use the even.odd versioning for stable/unstable
> > releases. 1.1, which is just out, is a stable release of subversion,
> > intended for full-on hardcore use.
>
> That is correct. We don't release 'unstable' tarballs. If you want
> unstable, checkout /trunk and build it yourself. :-)
>
> HACKING file explains our release numbering policies:
>
> http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/HACKING
>
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Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?
Posted by Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@collab.net>.
On Oct 4, 2004, at 2:52 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
>
> Hi Behrang,
>
> Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:
>> Does anybody know when 1.2 (or a beta of 1.2) will be released?
>
> I get the impression that you believe that 1.2 will be the next stable
> version. Unlike some other open source or free software projects,
> Subversion doesn't use the even.odd versioning for stable/unstable
> releases. 1.1, which is just out, is a stable release of subversion,
> intended for full-on hardcore use.
That is correct. We don't release 'unstable' tarballs. If you want
unstable, checkout /trunk and build it yourself. :-)
HACKING file explains our release numbering policies:
http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/HACKING
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Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?
Posted by Dave Neary <da...@phenix.fr>.
Hi Behrang,
Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:
> Does anybody know when 1.2 (or a beta of 1.2) will be released?
I get the impression that you believe that 1.2 will be the next stable
version. Unlike some other open source or free software projects,
Subversion doesn't use the even.odd versioning for stable/unstable
releases. 1.1, which is just out, is a stable release of subversion,
intended for full-on hardcore use.
Cheers,
Dave.
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Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?
Posted by Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@collab.net>.
On Oct 3, 2004, at 1:45 AM, Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:
> What do you mean by contribution? Coding? If so I must admit that I'm
> not a professional C/C++ developer. I'm a Java developer. And yes, I
> want it as soon as possible ;)
>
> Some open source projects, say Eclipse (www.eclipse.org), have a well
> defined timeline for delivery dates. I thought that it's also the case
> for the Subversion. By the way, is there any progress towards 1.2?
>
Most Subversion developers are volunteers. Four of us are paid to work
on SVN for our day-jobs, and we can 'schedule' our own time and make
deadlines for ourselves. But we don't have that same sort of
managerial control over all the other developers. So Subversion
doesn't have strict timelines or deliverable dates, not like what you'd
see in an in-house software project.
We're working on the locking feature now. That's the "main" feature in
svn 1.2. In fact, next week I'm planning to send a functional-spec and
implementation-spec to the dev@ list for discussion. It's going to
take a lot of discussion. No idea when it will be finished. We've
been spending the last 2 months trying to stabilize and release svn
1.1, so we're now at the very beginning of 1.2 work.
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Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?
Posted by Behrang Saeedzadeh <be...@yahoo.com>.
What do you mean by contribution? Coding? If so I must admit that I'm not a professional C/C++ developer. I'm a Java developer. And yes, I want it as soon as possible ;)
Some open source projects, say Eclipse (www.eclipse.org), have a well defined timeline for delivery dates. I thought that it's also the case for the Subversion. By the way, is there any progress towards 1.2?
Regards,
Behrang S.
Erik Huelsmann <eh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Well, as it's mentioned in the Roadmap page
>(http://subversion.tigris.org/roadmap.html) the optional file locking
feature is >planned for 1.2 and that's what I'm waiting for it.
I think Kenneth meant to say: If you want it soon, please contribute
to make it sooner.
bye,
Erik.
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Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?
Posted by Erik Huelsmann <eh...@gmail.com>.
>Well, as it's mentioned in the Roadmap page
>(http://subversion.tigris.org/roadmap.html) the optional file locking
feature is >planned for 1.2 and that's what I'm waiting for it.
I think Kenneth meant to say: If you want it soon, please contribute
to make it sooner.
bye,
Erik.
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Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?
Posted by Behrang Saeedzadeh <be...@yahoo.com>.
Well, as it's mentioned in the Roadmap page (http://subversion.tigris.org/roadmap.html) the optional file locking feature is planned for 1.2 and that's what I'm waiting for it.
Regards,
Behrang S.
Kenneth Porter <sh...@sewingwitch.com> wrote:
--On Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:37 AM -0700 Behrang Saeedzadeh
wrote:
> Does anybody know when 1.2 (or a beta of 1.2) will be released?
Probably a more practical question is what features we can expect in 1.2.
Ie. what things must be done to allow its release? Then the impatient can
begin work on achieving those goals. ;)
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Re: What's the estimate delivery date of Subversion 1.2?
Posted by Kenneth Porter <sh...@sewingwitch.com>.
--On Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:37 AM -0700 Behrang Saeedzadeh
<be...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anybody know when 1.2 (or a beta of 1.2) will be released?
Probably a more practical question is what features we can expect in 1.2.
Ie. what things must be done to allow its release? Then the impatient can
begin work on achieving those goals. ;)
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