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Posted to dev@commons.apache.org by Marcel Offermans <ma...@luminis.nl> on 2011/07/30 13:41:03 UTC
Re: AW: Searching volunteer
Hello Andrey,
I'm sure those libraries are useful, I never stated otherwise! One other thing you could consider, if you don't want to go through incubation, is to see if the libraries could somehow enhance existing Apache projects. The first one that comes to mind is the Apache Commons project, which contains a lot of reusable components. Maybe somebody there is interested in helping you out? I took the liberty of cross posting this mail to their "dev" list to bring it to their attention.
Greetings, Marcel
On 30 Jul 2011, at 13:14 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> Hello Marcel,
>
> Yes, I don't have community, so I hoped to find it here.
> BTW missing community does not mean that libraries are useless.
>
> Imagero is still commercial library and is used by few big companies like
> Agenzia Ansa.
> I decided to make it open source now.
>
> I really don't have much time to go through incubator process etc.
> So again, I hope find here someone who could help me.
>
> Andrey
>
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Marcel Offermans [mailto:marcel.offermans@luminis.nl]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2011 12:17
> An: general@incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Searching volunteer
>
> Hello Andrey,
>
> On 30 Jul 2011, at 10:07 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>
>> I am author of Imagero, JGUI, UIO and some other nice libraries.
>> I want to transfer my work to Apache.
>> However I don't have time and fortitude to do it by myself.
>> So I search for someone who could do it for (or with) me.
>
> If you want these projects to become part of Apache, the standard process is
> to write a proposal for them, and take them through incubation. During that
> process, we will determine if there is a community supporting the codebase
> and if you follow the ASF philosophy and guidelines for collaboration. The
> best place to start reading is the incubator website
> (http://incubator.apache.org/).
>
> I must be honest, if you state you're looking for someone else to take over,
> it does not sound like you have a community to support these projects and
> just transferring the code to Apache won't work.
>
> Greetings, Marcel
>
>
>
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AW: AW: Searching volunteer
Posted by Andrey Kuznetsov <im...@gmx.de>.
Thank you Marcel!
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Marcel Offermans [mailto:marcel.offermans@luminis.nl]
Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2011 13:41
An: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: dev@commons.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: Searching volunteer
Hello Andrey,
I'm sure those libraries are useful, I never stated otherwise! One other
thing you could consider, if you don't want to go through incubation, is to
see if the libraries could somehow enhance existing Apache projects. The
first one that comes to mind is the Apache Commons project, which contains a
lot of reusable components. Maybe somebody there is interested in helping
you out? I took the liberty of cross posting this mail to their "dev" list
to bring it to their attention.
Greetings, Marcel
On 30 Jul 2011, at 13:14 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> Hello Marcel,
>
> Yes, I don't have community, so I hoped to find it here.
> BTW missing community does not mean that libraries are useless.
>
> Imagero is still commercial library and is used by few big companies like
> Agenzia Ansa.
> I decided to make it open source now.
>
> I really don't have much time to go through incubator process etc.
> So again, I hope find here someone who could help me.
>
> Andrey
>
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Marcel Offermans [mailto:marcel.offermans@luminis.nl]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2011 12:17
> An: general@incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Searching volunteer
>
> Hello Andrey,
>
> On 30 Jul 2011, at 10:07 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>
>> I am author of Imagero, JGUI, UIO and some other nice libraries.
>> I want to transfer my work to Apache.
>> However I don't have time and fortitude to do it by myself.
>> So I search for someone who could do it for (or with) me.
>
> If you want these projects to become part of Apache, the standard process
is
> to write a proposal for them, and take them through incubation. During
that
> process, we will determine if there is a community supporting the codebase
> and if you follow the ASF philosophy and guidelines for collaboration. The
> best place to start reading is the incubator website
> (http://incubator.apache.org/).
>
> I must be honest, if you state you're looking for someone else to take
over,
> it does not sound like you have a community to support these projects and
> just transferring the code to Apache won't work.
>
> Greetings, Marcel
>
>
>
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Re: Searching volunteer
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi all, Andrey,
as Christian said, the ASF works in order to put community over the
code, so or ou create a community around your codebase or use your
codebase to contribute in existing communities; I'd see two main
options like:
* publishing existing codebase to Apache Extras[1] (read the FAQ[2]); or
* providing patches to Apache Commons (UIO could be contributed to
commons-io and imagero to commons-sanselan).
If you choose the option #2, I think you have to submit the SoftwareGrant[3].
Just my 2 cents,
Simo
[1] http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/hosting/
[2] http://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html
[3] http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Gerrit Jansen van Vuuren
<ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Why not start a project on google code? or github? You can release an
> article to javalobby or theserverside and see if people are interested. If
> you provide good documentation with examples people can reference the APIs
> via the opensource hosting and maybe build a community around it.
>
>
> Regards,
> Gerrit
>
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Andreas Lehmkuehler <an...@lehmi.de>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Am 30.07.2011 13:41, schrieb Marcel Offermans:
>>
>> Hello Andrey,
>>>
>>> I'm sure those libraries are useful, I never stated otherwise! One other
>>> thing you could consider, if you don't want to go through incubation, is to
>>> see if the libraries could somehow enhance existing Apache projects. The
>>> first one that comes to mind is the Apache Commons project, which contains a
>>> lot of reusable components. Maybe somebody there is interested in helping
>>> you out? I took the liberty of cross posting this mail to their "dev" list
>>> to bring it to their attention.
>>>
>> I agree with Marcel. Obviously Imagero [1] seems to match sanselan [2].
>>
>> Greetings, Marcel
>>>
>>
>>
>> BR
>> Andreas Lehmkühler
>>
>> [1] http://reader.imagero.com/
>> [2] http://commons.apache.org/**sanselan/index.html<http://commons.apache.org/sanselan/index.html>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 30 Jul 2011, at 13:14 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Marcel,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I don't have community, so I hoped to find it here.
>>>> BTW missing community does not mean that libraries are useless.
>>>>
>>>> Imagero is still commercial library and is used by few big companies like
>>>> Agenzia Ansa.
>>>> I decided to make it open source now.
>>>>
>>>> I really don't have much time to go through incubator process etc.
>>>> So again, I hope find here someone who could help me.
>>>>
>>>> Andrey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: Marcel Offermans [mailto:marcel.offermans@**luminis.nl<ma...@luminis.nl>
>>>> ]
>>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2011 12:17
>>>> An: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Betreff: Re: Searching volunteer
>>>>
>>>> Hello Andrey,
>>>>
>>>> On 30 Jul 2011, at 10:07 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am author of Imagero, JGUI, UIO and some other nice libraries.
>>>>> I want to transfer my work to Apache.
>>>>> However I don't have time and fortitude to do it by myself.
>>>>> So I search for someone who could do it for (or with) me.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you want these projects to become part of Apache, the standard process
>>>> is
>>>> to write a proposal for them, and take them through incubation. During
>>>> that
>>>> process, we will determine if there is a community supporting the
>>>> codebase
>>>> and if you follow the ASF philosophy and guidelines for collaboration.
>>>> The
>>>> best place to start reading is the incubator website
>>>> (http://incubator.apache.org/)**.
>>>>
>>>> I must be honest, if you state you're looking for someone else to take
>>>> over,
>>>> it does not sound like you have a community to support these projects and
>>>> just transferring the code to Apache won't work.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings, Marcel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Searching volunteer
Posted by Gerrit Jansen van Vuuren <ge...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Why not start a project on google code? or github? You can release an
article to javalobby or theserverside and see if people are interested. If
you provide good documentation with examples people can reference the APIs
via the opensource hosting and maybe build a community around it.
Regards,
Gerrit
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Andreas Lehmkuehler <an...@lehmi.de>wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Am 30.07.2011 13:41, schrieb Marcel Offermans:
>
> Hello Andrey,
>>
>> I'm sure those libraries are useful, I never stated otherwise! One other
>> thing you could consider, if you don't want to go through incubation, is to
>> see if the libraries could somehow enhance existing Apache projects. The
>> first one that comes to mind is the Apache Commons project, which contains a
>> lot of reusable components. Maybe somebody there is interested in helping
>> you out? I took the liberty of cross posting this mail to their "dev" list
>> to bring it to their attention.
>>
> I agree with Marcel. Obviously Imagero [1] seems to match sanselan [2].
>
> Greetings, Marcel
>>
>
>
> BR
> Andreas Lehmkühler
>
> [1] http://reader.imagero.com/
> [2] http://commons.apache.org/**sanselan/index.html<http://commons.apache.org/sanselan/index.html>
>
>
>
>> On 30 Jul 2011, at 13:14 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>
>> Hello Marcel,
>>>
>>> Yes, I don't have community, so I hoped to find it here.
>>> BTW missing community does not mean that libraries are useless.
>>>
>>> Imagero is still commercial library and is used by few big companies like
>>> Agenzia Ansa.
>>> I decided to make it open source now.
>>>
>>> I really don't have much time to go through incubator process etc.
>>> So again, I hope find here someone who could help me.
>>>
>>> Andrey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: Marcel Offermans [mailto:marcel.offermans@**luminis.nl<ma...@luminis.nl>
>>> ]
>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2011 12:17
>>> An: general@incubator.apache.org
>>> Betreff: Re: Searching volunteer
>>>
>>> Hello Andrey,
>>>
>>> On 30 Jul 2011, at 10:07 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>>
>>> I am author of Imagero, JGUI, UIO and some other nice libraries.
>>>> I want to transfer my work to Apache.
>>>> However I don't have time and fortitude to do it by myself.
>>>> So I search for someone who could do it for (or with) me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you want these projects to become part of Apache, the standard process
>>> is
>>> to write a proposal for them, and take them through incubation. During
>>> that
>>> process, we will determine if there is a community supporting the
>>> codebase
>>> and if you follow the ASF philosophy and guidelines for collaboration.
>>> The
>>> best place to start reading is the incubator website
>>> (http://incubator.apache.org/)**.
>>>
>>> I must be honest, if you state you're looking for someone else to take
>>> over,
>>> it does not sound like you have a community to support these projects and
>>> just transferring the code to Apache won't work.
>>>
>>> Greetings, Marcel
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Searching volunteer
Posted by Gerrit Jansen van Vuuren <ge...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Why not start a project on google code? or github? You can release an
article to javalobby or theserverside and see if people are interested. If
you provide good documentation with examples people can reference the APIs
via the opensource hosting and maybe build a community around it.
Regards,
Gerrit
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Andreas Lehmkuehler <an...@lehmi.de>wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Am 30.07.2011 13:41, schrieb Marcel Offermans:
>
> Hello Andrey,
>>
>> I'm sure those libraries are useful, I never stated otherwise! One other
>> thing you could consider, if you don't want to go through incubation, is to
>> see if the libraries could somehow enhance existing Apache projects. The
>> first one that comes to mind is the Apache Commons project, which contains a
>> lot of reusable components. Maybe somebody there is interested in helping
>> you out? I took the liberty of cross posting this mail to their "dev" list
>> to bring it to their attention.
>>
> I agree with Marcel. Obviously Imagero [1] seems to match sanselan [2].
>
> Greetings, Marcel
>>
>
>
> BR
> Andreas Lehmkühler
>
> [1] http://reader.imagero.com/
> [2] http://commons.apache.org/**sanselan/index.html<http://commons.apache.org/sanselan/index.html>
>
>
>
>> On 30 Jul 2011, at 13:14 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>
>> Hello Marcel,
>>>
>>> Yes, I don't have community, so I hoped to find it here.
>>> BTW missing community does not mean that libraries are useless.
>>>
>>> Imagero is still commercial library and is used by few big companies like
>>> Agenzia Ansa.
>>> I decided to make it open source now.
>>>
>>> I really don't have much time to go through incubator process etc.
>>> So again, I hope find here someone who could help me.
>>>
>>> Andrey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: Marcel Offermans [mailto:marcel.offermans@**luminis.nl<ma...@luminis.nl>
>>> ]
>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2011 12:17
>>> An: general@incubator.apache.org
>>> Betreff: Re: Searching volunteer
>>>
>>> Hello Andrey,
>>>
>>> On 30 Jul 2011, at 10:07 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>>
>>> I am author of Imagero, JGUI, UIO and some other nice libraries.
>>>> I want to transfer my work to Apache.
>>>> However I don't have time and fortitude to do it by myself.
>>>> So I search for someone who could do it for (or with) me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you want these projects to become part of Apache, the standard process
>>> is
>>> to write a proposal for them, and take them through incubation. During
>>> that
>>> process, we will determine if there is a community supporting the
>>> codebase
>>> and if you follow the ASF philosophy and guidelines for collaboration.
>>> The
>>> best place to start reading is the incubator website
>>> (http://incubator.apache.org/)**.
>>>
>>> I must be honest, if you state you're looking for someone else to take
>>> over,
>>> it does not sound like you have a community to support these projects and
>>> just transferring the code to Apache won't work.
>>>
>>> Greetings, Marcel
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Searching volunteer
Posted by Andreas Lehmkuehler <an...@lehmi.de>.
Hi,
Am 30.07.2011 13:41, schrieb Marcel Offermans:
> Hello Andrey,
>
> I'm sure those libraries are useful, I never stated otherwise! One other thing you could consider, if you don't want to go through incubation, is to see if the libraries could somehow enhance existing Apache projects. The first one that comes to mind is the Apache Commons project, which contains a lot of reusable components. Maybe somebody there is interested in helping you out? I took the liberty of cross posting this mail to their "dev" list to bring it to their attention.
I agree with Marcel. Obviously Imagero [1] seems to match sanselan [2].
> Greetings, Marcel
BR
Andreas Lehmkühler
[1] http://reader.imagero.com/
[2] http://commons.apache.org/sanselan/index.html
>
> On 30 Jul 2011, at 13:14 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>
>> Hello Marcel,
>>
>> Yes, I don't have community, so I hoped to find it here.
>> BTW missing community does not mean that libraries are useless.
>>
>> Imagero is still commercial library and is used by few big companies like
>> Agenzia Ansa.
>> I decided to make it open source now.
>>
>> I really don't have much time to go through incubator process etc.
>> So again, I hope find here someone who could help me.
>>
>> Andrey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Marcel Offermans [mailto:marcel.offermans@luminis.nl]
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2011 12:17
>> An: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Betreff: Re: Searching volunteer
>>
>> Hello Andrey,
>>
>> On 30 Jul 2011, at 10:07 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>
>>> I am author of Imagero, JGUI, UIO and some other nice libraries.
>>> I want to transfer my work to Apache.
>>> However I don't have time and fortitude to do it by myself.
>>> So I search for someone who could do it for (or with) me.
>>
>> If you want these projects to become part of Apache, the standard process is
>> to write a proposal for them, and take them through incubation. During that
>> process, we will determine if there is a community supporting the codebase
>> and if you follow the ASF philosophy and guidelines for collaboration. The
>> best place to start reading is the incubator website
>> (http://incubator.apache.org/).
>>
>> I must be honest, if you state you're looking for someone else to take over,
>> it does not sound like you have a community to support these projects and
>> just transferring the code to Apache won't work.
>>
>> Greetings, Marcel
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Searching volunteer
Posted by Andreas Lehmkuehler <an...@lehmi.de>.
Hi,
Am 30.07.2011 13:41, schrieb Marcel Offermans:
> Hello Andrey,
>
> I'm sure those libraries are useful, I never stated otherwise! One other thing you could consider, if you don't want to go through incubation, is to see if the libraries could somehow enhance existing Apache projects. The first one that comes to mind is the Apache Commons project, which contains a lot of reusable components. Maybe somebody there is interested in helping you out? I took the liberty of cross posting this mail to their "dev" list to bring it to their attention.
I agree with Marcel. Obviously Imagero [1] seems to match sanselan [2].
> Greetings, Marcel
BR
Andreas Lehmkühler
[1] http://reader.imagero.com/
[2] http://commons.apache.org/sanselan/index.html
>
> On 30 Jul 2011, at 13:14 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>
>> Hello Marcel,
>>
>> Yes, I don't have community, so I hoped to find it here.
>> BTW missing community does not mean that libraries are useless.
>>
>> Imagero is still commercial library and is used by few big companies like
>> Agenzia Ansa.
>> I decided to make it open source now.
>>
>> I really don't have much time to go through incubator process etc.
>> So again, I hope find here someone who could help me.
>>
>> Andrey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Marcel Offermans [mailto:marcel.offermans@luminis.nl]
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Juli 2011 12:17
>> An: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Betreff: Re: Searching volunteer
>>
>> Hello Andrey,
>>
>> On 30 Jul 2011, at 10:07 , Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>
>>> I am author of Imagero, JGUI, UIO and some other nice libraries.
>>> I want to transfer my work to Apache.
>>> However I don't have time and fortitude to do it by myself.
>>> So I search for someone who could do it for (or with) me.
>>
>> If you want these projects to become part of Apache, the standard process is
>> to write a proposal for them, and take them through incubation. During that
>> process, we will determine if there is a community supporting the codebase
>> and if you follow the ASF philosophy and guidelines for collaboration. The
>> best place to start reading is the incubator website
>> (http://incubator.apache.org/).
>>
>> I must be honest, if you state you're looking for someone else to take over,
>> it does not sound like you have a community to support these projects and
>> just transferring the code to Apache won't work.
>>
>> Greetings, Marcel
>>
>>
>>
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