Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Stratos for Graduation?

[Suresh Marru <sm...@apache.org>]

Hi All,

I am intentionally not replying to any previous discussions as I will not be doing justice chiming in late. I was following the project closely until late November and since then only managed to keep track of private lists and not so much of the dev list. I will share my random views which may or may not resonate accurately. 

* In November, when a flag was raised to not to rush to graduation and instead focus on diversity, the PPMC has well received the suggestion and did put in effort. That by itself speaks something. So I think we should not pull the strings too far. I certainly sense the rush for graduation again, but I personally do not see anything wrong with it now and I feel the project has earned it. 

* From my own experience, I feel following stratos dev list and contributing to the project is like drinking from a fire-hose. I think the project can do better in providing and maintaining incumbent tasks, documents and exploring other means. But I do not see this as a blocker for graduation. From what I have seen (atleast until November), the PPMC has been putting effort in doing hangouts and other forms of architecture discussions on mailing list. Whether these have yielded or not, I do not want to quantify it. To me as a mentor, I would like to see the intent and I have clearly seen it right from the beginning. To put it other way, I have not seen any reluctance or unwelcomeness. 

*  I have noticed Stratos GSoC proposals while helping with GSoC administration. (without divulging into details) I am pleased to see mentors from this PPMC pro-active participation. The students were also able to navigate enough to and propose projects. To me this tells both a positive story as well as missed opportunities from casual contributors. One reason I can think of why only GSoC students succeeded to get around and not others (with a observed assumption from noticing a handful of students randomly jumping into other cloud related projects) is stratos barrier is high and the project is overwhelming. Rapid changes to architectures in the past few months has raised the bar of needed volunteer time. Hopefully once that slows down, the project will be more attractive (rather contributors will find a way to catch up). 

* Going forward (irrespective of the graduation), the project should really has to put extra effort to attract casual contributions. I think they go a long way. Again maintaining lot of starter tasks, providing good developer documentation and test cases to validate these contributions and so on. 

Orthogonal to all these random observations, I am fully in favor of graduation readiness and very pleased to see the discussion converge and charter being circulated. May be we can move to the PPMC vote soon and take it from there. 

Cheers,
Suresh

P.S Trying to catch up with all the missed action, I appreciate and admire the hands-on mentoring Noah, Chip and others were able to manage. 

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Stratos for Graduation?

[Luca Martini <lm...@cisco.com>]

Hi! All,

I have been monitoring this topic for a while , and it seem to me that
the discussion on this list should cover a much larger community then an
in person meeting, hence i do not understand why we would need ApacheCon
to graduate this project.
I also believe that we are all putting significant effort into this
project form multiple companies, so I strongly believe this project is
ready for graduation.

Thanks,
Luca

On 03/31/2014 09:35 PM, Suresh Marru wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am intentionally not replying to any previous discussions as I will not be doing justice chiming in late. I was following the project closely until late November and since then only managed to keep track of private lists and not so much of the dev list. I will share my random views which may or may not resonate accurately. 
>
> * In November, when a flag was raised to not to rush to graduation and instead focus on diversity, the PPMC has well received the suggestion and did put in effort. That by itself speaks something. So I think we should not pull the strings too far. I certainly sense the rush for graduation again, but I personally do not see anything wrong with it now and I feel the project has earned it. 
>
> * From my own experience, I feel following stratos dev list and contributing to the project is like drinking from a fire-hose. I think the project can do better in providing and maintaining incumbent tasks, documents and exploring other means. But I do not see this as a blocker for graduation. From what I have seen (atleast until November), the PPMC has been putting effort in doing hangouts and other forms of architecture discussions on mailing list. Whether these have yielded or not, I do not want to quantify it. To me as a mentor, I would like to see the intent and I have clearly seen it right from the beginning. To put it other way, I have not seen any reluctance or unwelcomeness. 
>
> *  I have noticed Stratos GSoC proposals while helping with GSoC administration. (without divulging into details) I am pleased to see mentors from this PPMC pro-active participation. The students were also able to navigate enough to and propose projects. To me this tells both a positive story as well as missed opportunities from casual contributors. One reason I can think of why only GSoC students succeeded to get around and not others (with a observed assumption from noticing a handful of students randomly jumping into other cloud related projects) is stratos barrier is high and the project is overwhelming. Rapid changes to architectures in the past few months has raised the bar of needed volunteer time. Hopefully once that slows down, the project will be more attractive (rather contributors will find a way to catch up). 
>
> * Going forward (irrespective of the graduation), the project should really has to put extra effort to attract casual contributions. I think they go a long way. Again maintaining lot of starter tasks, providing good developer documentation and test cases to validate these contributions and so on. 
>
> Orthogonal to all these random observations, I am fully in favor of graduation readiness and very pleased to see the discussion converge and charter being circulated. May be we can move to the PPMC vote soon and take it from there. 
>
> Cheers,
> Suresh
>
> P.S Trying to catch up with all the missed action, I appreciate and admire the hands-on mentoring Noah, Chip and others were able to manage.