Fwd: Wink status (Was: Shepherds for podling reports)

[Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>]

Forwarding some discussion on general@incubator to the wink-dev list.

Do we have consensus or disagreement that more diversity is needed for graduation as a TLP?

It would be useful to hear from more members of the community.

--kevan

Begin forwarded message:

> From: ant elder <an...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Wink status (Was: Shepherds for podling reports)
> Date: May 10, 2012 8:37:16 AM EDT
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org
> 
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On May 9, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Luciano Resende wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the report, Wink, and for the review, Dave!
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> From activity it looks like this project should have graduated into a TLP a year
>>>>> ago. It looks like a mature and well developed project. I don't understand why
>>>>> they think that they should become a subproject of Geronimo or Tuscany.
>>>>> They are a mature and useful tool. It's time for this bird to fly on its own
>>>>> wings. They are an example of a small, viable community that contributes
>>>>> to more than one other community. Podling Namesearch and graduation
>>>>> should be next.
>>>> 
>>>> Wink, any thoughts on this?
>>>> 
>>>> BR,
>>>> 
>>>> Jukka Zitting
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> +1, This is my opinion as well, but we started considering other
>>> options mainly because of some feedback we got on the last discussion
>>> on the Wink mailing list (see summary on February board report).
>>> 
>>> If the IPMC thinks otherwise and would be ok with the Wink project
>>> graduation based on "a small, viable community that contributes to
>>> more than one other community" I'm more then happy to continue the
>>> Graduation process.
>> 
>> IIRC, there was one email that raised a concern about the diversity of the community. I don't think there was any subsequent discussion (for or against this concern).
>> 
>> Actually, looks like this was the latest word on the subject:
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:49 AM, ant elder wrote:
>> 
>>> "...talks had halted as one member has not agreed to proceed with
>>> graduation..." thats a little harsh, I just questioned the level of
>>> activity and said it would be an easier decision if Wink was more
>>> active.
>> 
> 
> I'll comment as thats an email from me thats been brought up - I made
> that comment in relation to a graduation discussion on wink-dev in
> January: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-wink-dev/201201.mbox/%3CCAJO+Ubugk5kvdBq=c7iYKatDo14Ha3AGN=RtS70XoXCAebW-xQ@mail.gmail.com%3E
> 
> In the six month period up till then there had been a total of six
> commits from two committers:
> http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?from=20110713&to=20120113&path=%2Fincubator%2Fwink.
> 
> From my watching of the project over that time there had also been a
> number of emails from users, JIRAs, and patches gone ignored. So that
> didn't seem to me like enough activity to graduate. Note that I'm not
> a mentor of Wink but I watch the poddling as we use it in Tuscany.
> 
> Its four months later now and things have improved a little, looking
> at the commit situation since then shows there has been more commits
> (34) but still from just two committers and both those work for the
> same employer, i don't know if they commit as part of their day job
> but AIUI Wink is used in their production apps, so the diversity is
> not great.
> 
> The two active committers only became committers after most of the
> code was written and the others moved on so probably don't have an in
> depth knowledge of the code, they're doing a release now so thats
> good, but there isn't new development going on and most changes are
> minor tweaks and applying the odd user patch.
> 
> So strictly speaking this doesn't seem to meet the documented
> Incubator graduation requirements. I don't really see the problem with
> just letting Wink keep incubating till they attract more active
> committers, but if theres no appetite for that then I expect a 4 or 5
> person PMC could be got together from all the Incubator PMC members
> and mentors subscribed to the dev list which could make a viable TLP
> PMC.
> 
>  ...ant
> 
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