[APOLOGY] Messed up while making a point

[Rohit Yadav <bh...@apache.org>]

Hi Animesh, Joe, Alex and everyone,

I just wanted to reach out to all of you and the community about the
recent thread. I messed up while making a point even though I never
wanted to disrespect, disregard or discredit anyone, I ended up doing
that. I'm sorry I messed up. I rebuffed jzb both publicly and
privately, not my best day. I'm sorry about that too, and would accept
any sort of action from the ppmc and the community. I want to work
things out with the community again at least, I'm personally educated
that we can reach out to our ppmc, discuss things, even nominate
people.

Regards.
PS. Thanks Hugo for reaching out to me.

Re: [APOLOGY] Messed up while making a point

[Rohit Yadav <bh...@apache.org>]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com> wrote:
> Rohit,
>
> Before we move on, you should send the list of people that you believe are deserving of committership to the PPMC.
>
> One of the problems with committer nomination is that people generally nominates people they've been working with.  However, if the nominations only come from the PPMC, given the small size of current PPMC (likelihood of mentors nominating is low) and the current workload, nominations will continue to be slow to come by.
>
> I will say that nominator must take responsibility for the nomination.  It means the nominator needs to have checked out their work before and the nomination must include their merits.  The discussion will happen within PPMC and feedback will come back to you.  You should be prepared to discuss that feedback (both positive and negative) with the nominee and help move forward in a positive manner.
>
> For example, I generally look up their wiki, review board, and mailing list contributions before discussing a nomination.

Sure Alex, from now on I think many of us would reach out to the PPMC.
Sending email to ppmc on the private ML.

Regards.

>
> --Alex
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rohityadav89@gmail.com [mailto:rohityadav89@gmail.com] On Behalf
>> Of Rohit Yadav
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 7:46 PM
>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [APOLOGY] Messed up while making a point
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Radhika Puthiyetath
>> <ra...@citrix.com> wrote:
>> > Thank you for speaking up for the deserving community members.
>> >
>> > Hats off to your honesty ....
>>
>> Thank you everyone for your emails. Moving on and moving forward.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> >
>> > -Radhika
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 10:01 PM
>> > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> > Cc: Rohit Yadav; Joe Brockmeier; Alex Huang; Animesh Chaturvedi
>> > Subject: Re: [APOLOGY] Messed up while making a point
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 08:36:24AM +0100, Wido den Hollander wrote:
>> >> Hi Rohit,
>> >>
>> >> On 02/25/2013 02:51 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote:
>> >> >Hi Animesh, Joe, Alex and everyone,
>> >> >
>> >> >I just wanted to reach out to all of you and the community about the
>> >> >recent thread. I messed up while making a point even though I never
>> >> >wanted to disrespect, disregard or discredit anyone, I ended up
>> >> >doing that. I'm sorry I messed up. I rebuffed jzb both publicly and
>> >> >privately, not my best day. I'm sorry about that too, and would
>> >> >accept any sort of action from the ppmc and the community. I want to
>> >> >work things out with the community again at least, I'm personally
>> >> >educated that we can reach out to our ppmc, discuss things, even
>> >> >nominate people.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I think it's a brave move of you for writing this up in public.
>> >>
>> >> This stuff happens, we are all humans and sometimes emotions can make
>> >> us do things we later regret. It however depends on who you are if
>> >> you are brave enough to admit that later.
>> >>
>> >> I'm still looking forward to working with you on CloudStack :)
>> >
>> > +1 to Wido's comments.  Looking forward to moving forward...
>> >
>> > As an aside, your point about how many deserving community members
>> there are was a good one.  We need your help (and everyone's help) to
>> nominate others for committer rights and PPMC membership.  This is a really
>> active community, and we're going to miss things sometimes.
>> > cloudstack-private@i.a.o is the right place to send these suggestions!

RE: [APOLOGY] Messed up while making a point

[Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com>]

Rohit,

Before we move on, you should send the list of people that you believe are deserving of committership to the PPMC.  

One of the problems with committer nomination is that people generally nominates people they've been working with.  However, if the nominations only come from the PPMC, given the small size of current PPMC (likelihood of mentors nominating is low) and the current workload, nominations will continue to be slow to come by.

I will say that nominator must take responsibility for the nomination.  It means the nominator needs to have checked out their work before and the nomination must include their merits.  The discussion will happen within PPMC and feedback will come back to you.  You should be prepared to discuss that feedback (both positive and negative) with the nominee and help move forward in a positive manner.

For example, I generally look up their wiki, review board, and mailing list contributions before discussing a nomination.

--Alex

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rohityadav89@gmail.com [mailto:rohityadav89@gmail.com] On Behalf
> Of Rohit Yadav
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 7:46 PM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [APOLOGY] Messed up while making a point
> 
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Radhika Puthiyetath
> <ra...@citrix.com> wrote:
> > Thank you for speaking up for the deserving community members.
> >
> > Hats off to your honesty ....
> 
> Thank you everyone for your emails. Moving on and moving forward.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> >
> > -Radhika
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 10:01 PM
> > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Cc: Rohit Yadav; Joe Brockmeier; Alex Huang; Animesh Chaturvedi
> > Subject: Re: [APOLOGY] Messed up while making a point
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 08:36:24AM +0100, Wido den Hollander wrote:
> >> Hi Rohit,
> >>
> >> On 02/25/2013 02:51 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote:
> >> >Hi Animesh, Joe, Alex and everyone,
> >> >
> >> >I just wanted to reach out to all of you and the community about the
> >> >recent thread. I messed up while making a point even though I never
> >> >wanted to disrespect, disregard or discredit anyone, I ended up
> >> >doing that. I'm sorry I messed up. I rebuffed jzb both publicly and
> >> >privately, not my best day. I'm sorry about that too, and would
> >> >accept any sort of action from the ppmc and the community. I want to
> >> >work things out with the community again at least, I'm personally
> >> >educated that we can reach out to our ppmc, discuss things, even
> >> >nominate people.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I think it's a brave move of you for writing this up in public.
> >>
> >> This stuff happens, we are all humans and sometimes emotions can make
> >> us do things we later regret. It however depends on who you are if
> >> you are brave enough to admit that later.
> >>
> >> I'm still looking forward to working with you on CloudStack :)
> >
> > +1 to Wido's comments.  Looking forward to moving forward...
> >
> > As an aside, your point about how many deserving community members
> there are was a good one.  We need your help (and everyone's help) to
> nominate others for committer rights and PPMC membership.  This is a really
> active community, and we're going to miss things sometimes.
> > cloudstack-private@i.a.o is the right place to send these suggestions!

Re: [APOLOGY] Messed up while making a point

[Rohit Yadav <bh...@apache.org>]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Radhika Puthiyetath
<ra...@citrix.com> wrote:
> Thank you for speaking up for the deserving community members.
>
> Hats off to your honesty ....

Thank you everyone for your emails. Moving on and moving forward.

Regards.

>
> -Radhika
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 10:01 PM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: Rohit Yadav; Joe Brockmeier; Alex Huang; Animesh Chaturvedi
> Subject: Re: [APOLOGY] Messed up while making a point
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 08:36:24AM +0100, Wido den Hollander wrote:
>> Hi Rohit,
>>
>> On 02/25/2013 02:51 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote:
>> >Hi Animesh, Joe, Alex and everyone,
>> >
>> >I just wanted to reach out to all of you and the community about the
>> >recent thread. I messed up while making a point even though I never
>> >wanted to disrespect, disregard or discredit anyone, I ended up doing
>> >that. I'm sorry I messed up. I rebuffed jzb both publicly and
>> >privately, not my best day. I'm sorry about that too, and would
>> >accept any sort of action from the ppmc and the community. I want to
>> >work things out with the community again at least, I'm personally
>> >educated that we can reach out to our ppmc, discuss things, even
>> >nominate people.
>> >
>>
>> I think it's a brave move of you for writing this up in public.
>>
>> This stuff happens, we are all humans and sometimes emotions can make
>> us do things we later regret. It however depends on who you are if you
>> are brave enough to admit that later.
>>
>> I'm still looking forward to working with you on CloudStack :)
>
> +1 to Wido's comments.  Looking forward to moving forward...
>
> As an aside, your point about how many deserving community members there are was a good one.  We need your help (and everyone's help) to nominate others for committer rights and PPMC membership.  This is a really active community, and we're going to miss things sometimes.
> cloudstack-private@i.a.o is the right place to send these suggestions!

RE: [APOLOGY] Messed up while making a point

[Radhika Puthiyetath <ra...@citrix.com>]

Thank you for speaking up for the deserving community members. 

Hats off to your honesty ....

-Radhika

-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 10:01 PM
To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Rohit Yadav; Joe Brockmeier; Alex Huang; Animesh Chaturvedi
Subject: Re: [APOLOGY] Messed up while making a point

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 08:36:24AM +0100, Wido den Hollander wrote:
> Hi Rohit,
> 
> On 02/25/2013 02:51 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote:
> >Hi Animesh, Joe, Alex and everyone,
> >
> >I just wanted to reach out to all of you and the community about the 
> >recent thread. I messed up while making a point even though I never 
> >wanted to disrespect, disregard or discredit anyone, I ended up doing 
> >that. I'm sorry I messed up. I rebuffed jzb both publicly and 
> >privately, not my best day. I'm sorry about that too, and would 
> >accept any sort of action from the ppmc and the community. I want to 
> >work things out with the community again at least, I'm personally 
> >educated that we can reach out to our ppmc, discuss things, even 
> >nominate people.
> >
> 
> I think it's a brave move of you for writing this up in public.
> 
> This stuff happens, we are all humans and sometimes emotions can make 
> us do things we later regret. It however depends on who you are if you 
> are brave enough to admit that later.
> 
> I'm still looking forward to working with you on CloudStack :)

+1 to Wido's comments.  Looking forward to moving forward...

As an aside, your point about how many deserving community members there are was a good one.  We need your help (and everyone's help) to nominate others for committer rights and PPMC membership.  This is a really active community, and we're going to miss things sometimes.
cloudstack-private@i.a.o is the right place to send these suggestions!

Re: [APOLOGY] Messed up while making a point

[Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 08:36:24AM +0100, Wido den Hollander wrote:
> Hi Rohit,
> 
> On 02/25/2013 02:51 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote:
> >Hi Animesh, Joe, Alex and everyone,
> >
> >I just wanted to reach out to all of you and the community about the
> >recent thread. I messed up while making a point even though I never
> >wanted to disrespect, disregard or discredit anyone, I ended up doing
> >that. I'm sorry I messed up. I rebuffed jzb both publicly and
> >privately, not my best day. I'm sorry about that too, and would accept
> >any sort of action from the ppmc and the community. I want to work
> >things out with the community again at least, I'm personally educated
> >that we can reach out to our ppmc, discuss things, even nominate
> >people.
> >
> 
> I think it's a brave move of you for writing this up in public.
> 
> This stuff happens, we are all humans and sometimes emotions can
> make us do things we later regret. It however depends on who you are
> if you are brave enough to admit that later.
> 
> I'm still looking forward to working with you on CloudStack :)

+1 to Wido's comments.  Looking forward to moving forward...

As an aside, your point about how many deserving community members there
are was a good one.  We need your help (and everyone's help) to nominate 
others for committer rights and PPMC membership.  This is a really
active community, and we're going to miss things sometimes.
cloudstack-private@i.a.o is the right place to send these suggestions!

Re: [APOLOGY] Messed up while making a point

[Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>]

Hi Rohit,

On 02/25/2013 02:51 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote:
> Hi Animesh, Joe, Alex and everyone,
>
> I just wanted to reach out to all of you and the community about the
> recent thread. I messed up while making a point even though I never
> wanted to disrespect, disregard or discredit anyone, I ended up doing
> that. I'm sorry I messed up. I rebuffed jzb both publicly and
> privately, not my best day. I'm sorry about that too, and would accept
> any sort of action from the ppmc and the community. I want to work
> things out with the community again at least, I'm personally educated
> that we can reach out to our ppmc, discuss things, even nominate
> people.
>

I think it's a brave move of you for writing this up in public.

This stuff happens, we are all humans and sometimes emotions can make us 
do things we later regret. It however depends on who you are if you are 
brave enough to admit that later.

I'm still looking forward to working with you on CloudStack :)

Wido

> Regards.
> PS. Thanks Hugo for reaching out to me.
>