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Posted to dev@shindig.apache.org by Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> on 2008/06/06 17:02:50 UTC
Sorry for the spam
Still catching up with patches and filing bugs for the open to-do
items... In doing so the list got a bit flooded as I'm making my way
through this, my apologies!
-- Chris
Re: Sorry for the spam
Posted by Santiago Gala <sa...@gmail.com>.
El vie, 06-06-2008 a las 10:17 -0700, Ropu escribió:
> Kevin. you suggest to have a separate repo for these ones?
>
I don't think so. He suggests just having it under a separate directory,
prefixed with something like "external" or "vendor" (a common
convention), so that people knows that the code has not been developed
here, maybe just patched...
I'm hesitant too about duplicating ("cut-and-pasting") code, though I
can see the rationale for a test framework not easy to install.
Regards
Santiago
> maybe a linked code.google project such as partuza?
>
We can re-distribute BSD code, I would either keep it as it is now or
have someone *maintaining* some tarball accessible via maven or
similar...
Regards
Santiago
> ropu
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
>
> > Is importing all of PHPUnit really the only viable option? We'll definitely
> > want to make sure that any releases of the PHP code in the future have an
> > option of only downloading the source and not phpunit -- that's a lot of
> > code!
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > Still catching up with patches and filing bugs for the open to-do
> > items...
> > > In doing so the list got a bit flooded as I'm making my way through this,
> > my
> > > apologies!
> > >
> > > -- Chris
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
--
Santiago Gala
http://memojo.com/~sgala/blog/
Re: Sorry for the spam
Posted by Ropu <ro...@gmail.com>.
Kevin. you suggest to have a separate repo for these ones?
maybe a linked code.google project such as partuza?
ropu
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
> Is importing all of PHPUnit really the only viable option? We'll definitely
> want to make sure that any releases of the PHP code in the future have an
> option of only downloading the source and not phpunit -- that's a lot of
> code!
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> > Still catching up with patches and filing bugs for the open to-do
> items...
> > In doing so the list got a bit flooded as I'm making my way through this,
> my
> > apologies!
> >
> > -- Chris
> >
> >
>
--
.-. --- .--. ..-
R o p u
Re: Sorry for the spam
Posted by Kevin Brown <et...@google.com>.
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> My experience with pear is that it can work great, but on the other hand
> the distribution system is not always fully functional on all comp's php
> runs on, or outdated, or simply unknown by the admins.. even more
> challenging when the user only has ftp access or something to the host he's
> deploying on :)
>
> Such troubles in the past have kind of taught me to avoid it where i could
Fair enough. Might I suggest keeping any third-party dependencies in a
dedicated directory so that nobody attempts to directly rely on them?
Something like trunk/php/external/<Package>. The last thing you'll want is
to have your hands tied on updating a library because somebody depended on
it directly
>
> On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Ropu wrote:
>
> hmmm, i think for the same reason we have a subset of Zend
>>
>> to have less dependencies.
>>
>>
>> ropu
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
>>
>> Actually -- is this available in PEAR? If so, why not just mention
>>> grabbing
>>> it from there?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I only mean for the distributable (probably a tar ball file for PHP),
>>>>
>>> once
>>>
>>>> we get to releases.
>>>>
>>>> I'd rather live with large downloads than live without tests.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As far as i know it is pretty much the only option ... well we could
>>>>> add
>>>>>
>>>> a
>>>
>>>> readme saying 'download this, unpack it there, run these commands to
>>>>> integrate it; And then you can test" but that would probably really
>>>>> take
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>
>>>> spontaneity out of testing wouldn't it.. but it is an option i guess.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is importing all of PHPUnit really the only viable option? We'll
>>>>>
>>>>>> definitely
>>>>>> want to make sure that any releases of the PHP code in the future have
>>>>>>
>>>>> an
>>>
>>>> option of only downloading the source and not phpunit -- that's a lot
>>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>
>>>> code!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Still catching up with patches and filing bugs for the open to-do
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> items...
>>>>>>> In doing so the list got a bit flooded as I'm making my way through
>>>>>>> this, my
>>>>>>> apologies!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> .-. --- .--. ..-
>> R o p u
>>
>
>
Re: Sorry for the spam
Posted by Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl>.
My experience with pear is that it can work great, but on the other
hand the distribution system is not always fully functional on all
comp's php runs on, or outdated, or simply unknown by the admins..
even more challenging when the user only has ftp access or something
to the host he's deploying on :)
Such troubles in the past have kind of taught me to avoid it where i
could
On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Ropu wrote:
> hmmm, i think for the same reason we have a subset of Zend
>
> to have less dependencies.
>
>
> ropu
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually -- is this available in PEAR? If so, why not just mention
>> grabbing
>> it from there?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I only mean for the distributable (probably a tar ball file for
>>> PHP),
>> once
>>> we get to releases.
>>>
>>> I'd rather live with large downloads than live without tests.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As far as i know it is pretty much the only option ... well we
>>>> could add
>> a
>>>> readme saying 'download this, unpack it there, run these commands
>>>> to
>>>> integrate it; And then you can test" but that would probably
>>>> really take
>> the
>>>> spontaneity out of testing wouldn't it.. but it is an option i
>>>> guess.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is importing all of PHPUnit really the only viable option? We'll
>>>>> definitely
>>>>> want to make sure that any releases of the PHP code in the
>>>>> future have
>> an
>>>>> option of only downloading the source and not phpunit -- that's
>>>>> a lot
>> of
>>>>> code!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Still catching up with patches and filing bugs for the open to-do
>>>>>> items...
>>>>>> In doing so the list got a bit flooded as I'm making my way
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> this, my
>>>>>> apologies!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> .-. --- .--. ..-
> R o p u
Re: Sorry for the spam
Posted by Ropu <ro...@gmail.com>.
hmmm, i think for the same reason we have a subset of Zend
to have less dependencies.
ropu
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
> Actually -- is this available in PEAR? If so, why not just mention grabbing
> it from there?
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
>
> > I only mean for the distributable (probably a tar ball file for PHP),
> once
> > we get to releases.
> >
> > I'd rather live with large downloads than live without tests.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >
> >> As far as i know it is pretty much the only option ... well we could add
> a
> >> readme saying 'download this, unpack it there, run these commands to
> >> integrate it; And then you can test" but that would probably really take
> the
> >> spontaneity out of testing wouldn't it.. but it is an option i guess.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> Is importing all of PHPUnit really the only viable option? We'll
> >>> definitely
> >>> want to make sure that any releases of the PHP code in the future have
> an
> >>> option of only downloading the source and not phpunit -- that's a lot
> of
> >>> code!
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Still catching up with patches and filing bugs for the open to-do
> >>>> items...
> >>>> In doing so the list got a bit flooded as I'm making my way through
> >>>> this, my
> >>>> apologies!
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Chris
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
>
--
.-. --- .--. ..-
R o p u
Re: Sorry for the spam
Posted by Kevin Brown <et...@google.com>.
Actually -- is this available in PEAR? If so, why not just mention grabbing
it from there?
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
> I only mean for the distributable (probably a tar ball file for PHP), once
> we get to releases.
>
> I'd rather live with large downloads than live without tests.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> As far as i know it is pretty much the only option ... well we could add a
>> readme saying 'download this, unpack it there, run these commands to
>> integrate it; And then you can test" but that would probably really take the
>> spontaneity out of testing wouldn't it.. but it is an option i guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:
>>
>> Is importing all of PHPUnit really the only viable option? We'll
>>> definitely
>>> want to make sure that any releases of the PHP code in the future have an
>>> option of only downloading the source and not phpunit -- that's a lot of
>>> code!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>> Still catching up with patches and filing bugs for the open to-do
>>>> items...
>>>> In doing so the list got a bit flooded as I'm making my way through
>>>> this, my
>>>> apologies!
>>>>
>>>> -- Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Re: Sorry for the spam
Posted by Ropu <ro...@gmail.com>.
Sounds good
btw, we found the bug in the PHPUnit runner, it was trying to find TC under
.svn/....
i'll upload the patch today
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
> I only mean for the distributable (probably a tar ball file for PHP), once
> we get to releases.
>
> I'd rather live with large downloads than live without tests.
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> > As far as i know it is pretty much the only option ... well we could add
> a
> > readme saying 'download this, unpack it there, run these commands to
> > integrate it; And then you can test" but that would probably really take
> the
> > spontaneity out of testing wouldn't it.. but it is an option i guess.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:
> >
> > Is importing all of PHPUnit really the only viable option? We'll
> >> definitely
> >> want to make sure that any releases of the PHP code in the future have
> an
> >> option of only downloading the source and not phpunit -- that's a lot of
> >> code!
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >>
> >> Still catching up with patches and filing bugs for the open to-do
> >>> items...
> >>> In doing so the list got a bit flooded as I'm making my way through
> this,
> >>> my
> >>> apologies!
> >>>
> >>> -- Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
--
.-. --- .--. ..-
R o p u
Re: Sorry for the spam
Posted by Kevin Brown <et...@google.com>.
I only mean for the distributable (probably a tar ball file for PHP), once
we get to releases.
I'd rather live with large downloads than live without tests.
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> As far as i know it is pretty much the only option ... well we could add a
> readme saying 'download this, unpack it there, run these commands to
> integrate it; And then you can test" but that would probably really take the
> spontaneity out of testing wouldn't it.. but it is an option i guess.
>
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:
>
> Is importing all of PHPUnit really the only viable option? We'll
>> definitely
>> want to make sure that any releases of the PHP code in the future have an
>> option of only downloading the source and not phpunit -- that's a lot of
>> code!
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> Still catching up with patches and filing bugs for the open to-do
>>> items...
>>> In doing so the list got a bit flooded as I'm making my way through this,
>>> my
>>> apologies!
>>>
>>> -- Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
Re: Sorry for the spam
Posted by Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl>.
As far as i know it is pretty much the only option ... well we could
add a readme saying 'download this, unpack it there, run these
commands to integrate it; And then you can test" but that would
probably really take the spontaneity out of testing wouldn't it.. but
it is an option i guess.
On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:
> Is importing all of PHPUnit really the only viable option? We'll
> definitely
> want to make sure that any releases of the PHP code in the future
> have an
> option of only downloading the source and not phpunit -- that's a
> lot of
> code!
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> Still catching up with patches and filing bugs for the open to-do
>> items...
>> In doing so the list got a bit flooded as I'm making my way through
>> this, my
>> apologies!
>>
>> -- Chris
>>
>>
Re: Sorry for the spam
Posted by Kevin Brown <et...@google.com>.
Is importing all of PHPUnit really the only viable option? We'll definitely
want to make sure that any releases of the PHP code in the future have an
option of only downloading the source and not phpunit -- that's a lot of
code!
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Chris Chabot <ch...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Still catching up with patches and filing bugs for the open to-do items...
> In doing so the list got a bit flooded as I'm making my way through this, my
> apologies!
>
> -- Chris
>
>