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Posted to dev@myfaces.apache.org by Paul Spencer <pa...@apache.org> on 2006/09/15 21:50:53 UTC
Need description for "Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible with
Tomahawk 1.1.3." in 1.1.4 annoucmenent
Mike,
Please add a description, or link to one, about the following statement
in in the announcement.
Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible with Tomahawk 1.1.3.
The description should include instruction on what a developer must
change for 1.1.4 to work with their 1.1.3 application.
Paul Spencer
Mike Kienenberger wrote:
> Hehe.
>
> All part of the fun of being an equal partner :-)
>
> Copy what you had into a wiki page and we'll work on both
> announcements until they look good enough to send out.
>
> On 9/15/06, Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com> wrote:
>> Ok,
>>
>> the real reason for adding the tobago announcement to the core
>> announcemnt is: 'I don't like sending announcement'
>>
>> Ask Arvid for sending it.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Bernd
>>
>> Mike Kienenberger wrote:
>> > Bernd, I don't have a problem with the MyFaces announcement containing
>> > a statement about Tobago, but Tobago also needs its own release
>> > announcement, just like Tomahawk needs its own release announcement.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/15/06, Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com> wrote:
>> >> Hello Wendy,
>> >>
>> >> can we add the Tobago Announcement to the Core Announcement?
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Bernd
>> >>
>> >> Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>> >> > Wendy thanks for helping out on the release.
>> >> > Go ahead and announce it!
>> >> >
>> >> > On 9/15/06, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On 9/11/06, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > The MyFaces Core 1.1.4 build is available for evaluation:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/core-1.1.4/
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/CoreRelease114
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Vote Results:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 6 +1 binding votes from PMC members:
>> >> >> Dennis Byrne [1], Martin Marinschek, Grant Smith,
>> >> >> Bruno Aranda, Matthias Wessendorf, Mike Kienenberger
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2 +1 non-binding votes
>> >> >> Cagatay Civici, Gerald Müllan
>> >> >>
>> >> >> (If I've got you in the wrong place, check the myfaces-master
>> pom [2]
>> >> >> to make sure your information is correct, and let me know.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'll get this on the mirrors and the central Maven repository some
>> >> >> time this weekend.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've added a draft release announcement to the release plan wiki
>> page.
>> >> >> (link above) If you want me to send it out, please adjust as
>> >> >> necessary! (It might need a statement about what version of
>> Tomahawk
>> >> >> is compatible, and I have no idea.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Alternately, if someone else would like to make the announcement
>> after
>> >> >> everything is in place, that's fine with me. Manfred? Martin?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> [1] Dennis voted +1 when he reported the TCK test results:
>> >> >>
>> >> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A--MyFaces-Core-1.1.4---STATUS-p6248637.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> [2]
>> >> >>
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/maven/trunk/master-pom/pom.xml
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks,
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Wendy Smoak
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
Re: Need description for "Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible
with Tomahawk 1.1.3." in 1.1.4 annoucmenent
Posted by Paul Spencer <pa...@mindspring.com>.
Mike,
I added you text, although with some minor changes.
Paul Spencer
Mike Kienenberger wrote:
> Hey Paul.
>
> Maybe you can help rewrite it so it's more obvious.
>
> Apparently the problem is that some of the javascript generated by
> 1.1.3 isn't compatible with the JSF RI. So in 1.1.4, those javascript
> methods have been renamed. No application-level code needs to change
> (provided you're not using the internal javascript methods on your
> pages), but you cannot mix Tomahawk 1.1.3 with MyFaces Core 1.1.4
> because they use incompatible javascript. Nor can you mix MyFaces
> Core 1.1.3 with Tomahawk 1.1.4. That's unfortunate because up to
> this point we were advertising that you could mix and match them -- we
> overlooked the javascript interdependencies.
>
> On 9/15/06, Paul Spencer <pa...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Mike,
>> Please add a description, or link to one, about the following statement
>> in in the announcement.
>>
>> Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible with Tomahawk 1.1.3.
>>
>> The description should include instruction on what a developer must
>> change for 1.1.4 to work with their 1.1.3 application.
>>
>> Paul Spencer
>>
>>
>> Mike Kienenberger wrote:
>> > Hehe.
>> >
>> > All part of the fun of being an equal partner :-)
>> >
>> > Copy what you had into a wiki page and we'll work on both
>> > announcements until they look good enough to send out.
>> >
>> > On 9/15/06, Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com> wrote:
>> >> Ok,
>> >>
>> >> the real reason for adding the tobago announcement to the core
>> >> announcemnt is: 'I don't like sending announcement'
>> >>
>> >> Ask Arvid for sending it.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Bernd
>> >>
>> >> Mike Kienenberger wrote:
>> >> > Bernd, I don't have a problem with the MyFaces announcement
>> containing
>> >> > a statement about Tobago, but Tobago also needs its own release
>> >> > announcement, just like Tomahawk needs its own release announcement.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 9/15/06, Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Hello Wendy,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> can we add the Tobago Announcement to the Core Announcement?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bernd
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>> >> >> > Wendy thanks for helping out on the release.
>> >> >> > Go ahead and announce it!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On 9/15/06, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On 9/11/06, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > The MyFaces Core 1.1.4 build is available for evaluation:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/core-1.1.4/
>> >> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/CoreRelease114
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Vote Results:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 6 +1 binding votes from PMC members:
>> >> >> >> Dennis Byrne [1], Martin Marinschek, Grant Smith,
>> >> >> >> Bruno Aranda, Matthias Wessendorf, Mike Kienenberger
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 2 +1 non-binding votes
>> >> >> >> Cagatay Civici, Gerald Müllan
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> (If I've got you in the wrong place, check the myfaces-master
>> >> pom [2]
>> >> >> >> to make sure your information is correct, and let me know.)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I'll get this on the mirrors and the central Maven repository
>> some
>> >> >> >> time this weekend.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I've added a draft release announcement to the release plan wiki
>> >> page.
>> >> >> >> (link above) If you want me to send it out, please adjust as
>> >> >> >> necessary! (It might need a statement about what version of
>> >> Tomahawk
>> >> >> >> is compatible, and I have no idea.)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Alternately, if someone else would like to make the announcement
>> >> after
>> >> >> >> everything is in place, that's fine with me. Manfred? Martin?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> [1] Dennis voted +1 when he reported the TCK test results:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A--MyFaces-Core-1.1.4---STATUS-p6248637.html
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> [2]
>> >> >> >>
>> >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/maven/trunk/master-pom/pom.xml
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks,
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Wendy Smoak
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
Re: Need description for "Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible
with Tomahawk 1.1.3." in 1.1.4 annoucmenent
Posted by Paul Spencer <pa...@apache.org>.
Done.
Paul Spencer
Mike Kienenberger wrote:
> On 9/15/06, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Agreed. I'm having trouble boiling it down to a single sentence, though.
>>
>> "Due to changes related to compatibility with the reference
>> implementation, MyFaces Core 1.1.4 cannot be used with Tomahawk
>> 1.1.3."
>
> Maybe "Due to changes required for compatibility with"
>
Re: Need description for "Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible with Tomahawk 1.1.3." in 1.1.4 annoucmenent
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
On 9/15/06, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agreed. I'm having trouble boiling it down to a single sentence, though.
>
> "Due to changes related to compatibility with the reference
> implementation, MyFaces Core 1.1.4 cannot be used with Tomahawk
> 1.1.3."
Maybe "Due to changes required for compatibility with"
Re: Need description for "Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible
with Tomahawk 1.1.3." in 1.1.4 annoucmenent
Posted by Paul Spencer <pa...@apache.org>.
I move the warning to the matrix page and placed Wendy's text in the
announcement.
Paul Spencer
Wendy Smoak wrote:
> On 9/15/06, Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The following page has been changed by PaulSpencer:
>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/CoreRelease114
>> >
>> > The comment on the change is:
>> > Added Mike Kienenberger's descriptive text to the announcement
>>
>> The only problem I see with this is that it's far too verbose.
>
> Agreed. I'm having trouble boiling it down to a single sentence, though.
>
> "Due to changes related to compatibility with the reference
> implementation, MyFaces Core 1.1.4 cannot be used with Tomahawk
> 1.1.3."
>
> Just trying to head off the "Why not? You said..." questions.
>
Re: Need description for "Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible with Tomahawk 1.1.3." in 1.1.4 annoucmenent
Posted by Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com>.
On 9/15/06, Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The following page has been changed by PaulSpencer:
> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/CoreRelease114
> >
> > The comment on the change is:
> > Added Mike Kienenberger's descriptive text to the announcement
>
> The only problem I see with this is that it's far too verbose.
Agreed. I'm having trouble boiling it down to a single sentence, though.
"Due to changes related to compatibility with the reference
implementation, MyFaces Core 1.1.4 cannot be used with Tomahawk
1.1.3."
Just trying to head off the "Why not? You said..." questions.
--
Wendy
Re: Need description for "Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible with Tomahawk 1.1.3." in 1.1.4 annoucmenent
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
> The following page has been changed by PaulSpencer:
> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/CoreRelease114
>
> The comment on the change is:
> Added Mike Kienenberger's descriptive text to the announcement
The only problem I see with this is that it's far too verbose.
The section which basically says we're incompatible is now larger than
the rest of the announcement, and the information imparted isn't
really of much significant value. Most people don't care why. They
only care if.
Re: Need description for "Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible with Tomahawk 1.1.3." in 1.1.4 annoucmenent
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
On 9/15/06, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, to help users figure out what can be expected to work together:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/CompatibilityMatrix
>
> (It could be expanded to show which component libraries work together, as well.)
Great idea. I don't know how maintainable it is, but I've updated it.
Re: Need description for "Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible
with Tomahawk 1.1.3." in 1.1.4 annoucmenent
Posted by Paul Spencer <pa...@apache.org>.
Wendy,
I added a link to the matrix. I also made some minor visual changes to
the matrix. Feel free to back them out if you do not like them.
Paul Spencer
Wendy Smoak wrote:
> On 9/15/06, Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey Paul.
>>
>> Maybe you can help rewrite it so it's more obvious.
>>
>> Apparently the problem is that some of the javascript generated by
>> 1.1.3 isn't compatible with the JSF RI. So in 1.1.4, those javascript
>> methods have been renamed.
>
> This probably answers my question in the other thread. I think the
> release announcement needs to give a reason for the incompatibility.
>
> Also, to help users figure out what can be expected to work together:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/CompatibilityMatrix
>
> (It could be expanded to show which component libraries work together,
> as well.)
>
Re: Need description for "Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible with Tomahawk 1.1.3." in 1.1.4 annoucmenent
Posted by Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com>.
On 9/15/06, Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Paul.
>
> Maybe you can help rewrite it so it's more obvious.
>
> Apparently the problem is that some of the javascript generated by
> 1.1.3 isn't compatible with the JSF RI. So in 1.1.4, those javascript
> methods have been renamed.
This probably answers my question in the other thread. I think the
release announcement needs to give a reason for the incompatibility.
Also, to help users figure out what can be expected to work together:
http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/CompatibilityMatrix
(It could be expanded to show which component libraries work together, as well.)
--
Wendy
Re: Need description for "Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible with Tomahawk 1.1.3." in 1.1.4 annoucmenent
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
Hey Paul.
Maybe you can help rewrite it so it's more obvious.
Apparently the problem is that some of the javascript generated by
1.1.3 isn't compatible with the JSF RI. So in 1.1.4, those javascript
methods have been renamed. No application-level code needs to change
(provided you're not using the internal javascript methods on your
pages), but you cannot mix Tomahawk 1.1.3 with MyFaces Core 1.1.4
because they use incompatible javascript. Nor can you mix MyFaces
Core 1.1.3 with Tomahawk 1.1.4. That's unfortunate because up to
this point we were advertising that you could mix and match them -- we
overlooked the javascript interdependencies.
On 9/15/06, Paul Spencer <pa...@apache.org> wrote:
> Mike,
> Please add a description, or link to one, about the following statement
> in in the announcement.
>
> Core 1.1.4 is not backwards-compatible with Tomahawk 1.1.3.
>
> The description should include instruction on what a developer must
> change for 1.1.4 to work with their 1.1.3 application.
>
> Paul Spencer
>
>
> Mike Kienenberger wrote:
> > Hehe.
> >
> > All part of the fun of being an equal partner :-)
> >
> > Copy what you had into a wiki page and we'll work on both
> > announcements until they look good enough to send out.
> >
> > On 9/15/06, Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com> wrote:
> >> Ok,
> >>
> >> the real reason for adding the tobago announcement to the core
> >> announcemnt is: 'I don't like sending announcement'
> >>
> >> Ask Arvid for sending it.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Bernd
> >>
> >> Mike Kienenberger wrote:
> >> > Bernd, I don't have a problem with the MyFaces announcement containing
> >> > a statement about Tobago, but Tobago also needs its own release
> >> > announcement, just like Tomahawk needs its own release announcement.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 9/15/06, Bernd Bohmann <be...@atanion.com> wrote:
> >> >> Hello Wendy,
> >> >>
> >> >> can we add the Tobago Announcement to the Core Announcement?
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >>
> >> >> Bernd
> >> >>
> >> >> Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> >> >> > Wendy thanks for helping out on the release.
> >> >> > Go ahead and announce it!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 9/15/06, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On 9/11/06, Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > The MyFaces Core 1.1.4 build is available for evaluation:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://people.apache.org/builds/myfaces/core-1.1.4/
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/CoreRelease114
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Vote Results:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 6 +1 binding votes from PMC members:
> >> >> >> Dennis Byrne [1], Martin Marinschek, Grant Smith,
> >> >> >> Bruno Aranda, Matthias Wessendorf, Mike Kienenberger
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2 +1 non-binding votes
> >> >> >> Cagatay Civici, Gerald Müllan
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> (If I've got you in the wrong place, check the myfaces-master
> >> pom [2]
> >> >> >> to make sure your information is correct, and let me know.)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'll get this on the mirrors and the central Maven repository some
> >> >> >> time this weekend.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I've added a draft release announcement to the release plan wiki
> >> page.
> >> >> >> (link above) If you want me to send it out, please adjust as
> >> >> >> necessary! (It might need a statement about what version of
> >> Tomahawk
> >> >> >> is compatible, and I have no idea.)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Alternately, if someone else would like to make the announcement
> >> after
> >> >> >> everything is in place, that's fine with me. Manfred? Martin?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> [1] Dennis voted +1 when he reported the TCK test results:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A--MyFaces-Core-1.1.4---STATUS-p6248637.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> [2]
> >> >> >>
> >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/maven/trunk/master-pom/pom.xml
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Wendy Smoak
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
>