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Posted to user@lenya.apache.org by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org> on 2008/02/21 16:21:37 UTC
Hosting Lenya Add-Ons
Hi Lenya users,
if there is interest in developing 3rd-party modules for Lenya as open
source outside the ASF repository, we could for instance create a
project at Origo (http://www.origo.ethz.ch/). I'd start with moving the
feed and person modules from the sandbox to the external repository. I'd
also offer to make the BeCompany publication open source (it doesn't
contain any fancy functionality, but maybe someone is interested in it).
WDYT?
-- Andreas
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Re: Hosting Lenya Add-Ons
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Michael Wechner schrieb:
>
>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Wechner schrieb:
>>>
>>>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lenya users,
>>>>>
>>>>> if there is interest in developing 3rd-party modules for Lenya as
>>>>> open source outside the ASF repository, we could for instance
>>>>> create a project at Origo (http://www.origo.ethz.ch/). I'd start
>>>>> with moving the feed and person modules from the sandbox to the
>>>>> external repository.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> why do you want to move the person and feed module outside of the ASF?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IMO the question should be asked the other way round - why should we
>>> keep a particular module in our codebase?
>>>
>>> The person module is only used for a tutorial, I think this doesn't
>>> justify keeping it in the repository. Maybe we could add it as a ZIP
>>> file to the documentation.
>>>
>>> The feed module is still very rudimentary. It works only with
>>> specific RSS feeds, there's no error handling etc. AFAIK it didn't
>>> gain any interest by others - otherwise a lot of bugs would probably
>>> have been reported :)
>>> As long as I'm the only person who maintains the module, I think it
>>> is inappropriate to keep it in the ASF repository.
>>
>>
>>
>> so I would ask, why has it actually been added to the sandbox if none
>> of the other devs was ever interested in these two modules?
>
>
> Richard mentioned that he might be interested in the feed module
> (http://www.nabble.com/News-module---The-module--feed--is-not-registered-td11288451.html#a11288451).
> I just noticed his reply, maybe he'll find the time to take a look at
> it.
>
> I used the SVN to develop the person module while I was writing the
> tutorial and to see if someone might be interested in using it.
I am just saying, that I think one should ask in advance and not use it
for "private" development, but on the other hand stuff within the
sandbox doesn't hurt that much (except taking space).
Cheers
Michael
>
> -- Andreas
>
>
>> So it makes sense to me to move them outside.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>>
>>> WDOT?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Btw, re hosting external modules you might also want to consider
>>>>
>>>> sourceforge or http://www.swissforge.net/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the pointers! Swissforge seems to accept only /ch/open
>>> projects, and they seem to have a focus on Swiss projects.
>>>
>>> Another option might be codehaus.org, though I don't know if they
>>> would accept to host a kind-of sub-project of an ASF project.
>>>
>>> I attended a presentation by one of the Origo founders, they seem to
>>> be very open to all kinds of projects. The technology of the
>>> platform itself is also very interesting. I have to admit that the
>>> future of the platform isn't decided upon, though; they're still
>>> looking for an organization volunteering to provide the
>>> infrastructure on a long-term basis.
>>>
>>> -- Andreas
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Hosting Lenya Add-Ons
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Michael Wechner schrieb:
> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>
>> Michael Wechner schrieb:
>>
>>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Lenya users,
>>>>
>>>> if there is interest in developing 3rd-party modules for Lenya as
>>>> open source outside the ASF repository, we could for instance create
>>>> a project at Origo (http://www.origo.ethz.ch/). I'd start with
>>>> moving the feed and person modules from the sandbox to the external
>>>> repository.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> why do you want to move the person and feed module outside of the ASF?
>>
>>
>> IMO the question should be asked the other way round - why should we
>> keep a particular module in our codebase?
>>
>> The person module is only used for a tutorial, I think this doesn't
>> justify keeping it in the repository. Maybe we could add it as a ZIP
>> file to the documentation.
>>
>> The feed module is still very rudimentary. It works only with specific
>> RSS feeds, there's no error handling etc. AFAIK it didn't gain any
>> interest by others - otherwise a lot of bugs would probably have been
>> reported :)
>> As long as I'm the only person who maintains the module, I think it is
>> inappropriate to keep it in the ASF repository.
>
>
> so I would ask, why has it actually been added to the sandbox if none of
> the other devs was ever interested in these two modules?
Richard mentioned that he might be interested in the feed module
(http://www.nabble.com/News-module---The-module--feed--is-not-registered-td11288451.html#a11288451).
I just noticed his reply, maybe he'll find the time to take a look at it.
I used the SVN to develop the person module while I was writing the
tutorial and to see if someone might be interested in using it.
-- Andreas
> So it makes sense to me to move them outside.
>
> Cheers
>
> Michael
>
>>
>> WDOT?
>>
>>
>>> Btw, re hosting external modules you might also want to consider
>>>
>>> sourceforge or http://www.swissforge.net/
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the pointers! Swissforge seems to accept only /ch/open
>> projects, and they seem to have a focus on Swiss projects.
>>
>> Another option might be codehaus.org, though I don't know if they
>> would accept to host a kind-of sub-project of an ASF project.
>>
>> I attended a presentation by one of the Origo founders, they seem to
>> be very open to all kinds of projects. The technology of the platform
>> itself is also very interesting. I have to admit that the future of
>> the platform isn't decided upon, though; they're still looking for an
>> organization volunteering to provide the infrastructure on a long-term
>> basis.
>>
>> -- Andreas
>>
>
>
--
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BeCompany GmbH
http://www.becompany.ch
Tel.: +41 (0) 43 818 57 01
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Re: Hosting Lenya Add-Ons
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 22:42 +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> Michael Wechner wrote:
> > so I would ask, why has it actually been added to the sandbox if none of
> > the other devs was ever interested in these two modules?
> >
> > So it makes sense to me to move them outside.
>
> -1
>
> as long as we don't really have a totally cluttered sandbox, i'd say
> let's leave the stuff in there. it's a lot easier to discuss and work on.
> if it turns out someone who is not yet a lenya committer (and thus does
> not have sandbox access) takes interest in one of those modules, s/he
> can fork it for a while and we can re-sync when some interesting
> development is finished (and maybe the developer will then become a
> committer anyway).
>
> i wouldn't want to have all the administrative work that comes with
> creating a new repo somewhere else. or does anyone have issues with the
> asf license and therefore does not want their work in svn? if so, let
> those people set up a new repo.
>
Very well said Jörn. I completely share your point of view.
As for hosting modules outside of our trunk I think we should be able to
support this. Let me explain. In forrest we have plugins and they to not
need to be hosted on the ASF. Matter of fact we have a POD plugin that
is hosted outside from a non forrest committer.
This shows nicely a feature but I would expect the module on foreign
server hosting situation under the following circumstances:
- ASF incompatible license issues
- author is not committer in lenya
- module strives against the development focus of lenya
Regarding the development of modules in our sandbox IMO that is totally
alright and I do not see the need to ask for permission if one want to
add new code there. Having said this the sandbox should not become an
"external" storage facility for committers.
salu2
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Open Source Java consulting, training and solutions
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Re: Hosting Lenya Add-Ons
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
>Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
>
>
>
>>as long as we don't really have a totally cluttered sandbox, i'd say
>>let's leave the stuff in there.
>>
>>
>
>that said, every module in the sandbox should have a README that
>indicates the module's state, i.e. usable,proof-of-concept, totally
>unfinished, and which revision of trunk it was last tested against.
>
>we should be careful not to lure users into trouble like we sometimes do
>with people who must rely on jackrabbit and come to think lenya can use
>it with a few trivial adjustments. so if a feature is rudimentary, let's
>state that clearly so it does not influence someone's evaluation of lenya...
>
>
well said
Cheers
Michael
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Hosting Lenya Add-Ons
Posted by Jörn Nettingsmeier <ne...@apache.org>.
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> as long as we don't really have a totally cluttered sandbox, i'd say
> let's leave the stuff in there.
that said, every module in the sandbox should have a README that
indicates the module's state, i.e. usable,proof-of-concept, totally
unfinished, and which revision of trunk it was last tested against.
we should be careful not to lure users into trouble like we sometimes do
with people who must rely on jackrabbit and come to think lenya can use
it with a few trivial adjustments. so if a feature is rudimentary, let's
state that clearly so it does not influence someone's evaluation of lenya...
--
Jörn Nettingsmeier
"One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code."
- Ken Thompson.
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Re: Hosting Lenya Add-Ons
Posted by Jörn Nettingsmeier <ne...@apache.org>.
Michael Wechner wrote:
> so I would ask, why has it actually been added to the sandbox if none of
> the other devs was ever interested in these two modules?
>
> So it makes sense to me to move them outside.
-1
as long as we don't really have a totally cluttered sandbox, i'd say
let's leave the stuff in there. it's a lot easier to discuss and work on.
if it turns out someone who is not yet a lenya committer (and thus does
not have sandbox access) takes interest in one of those modules, s/he
can fork it for a while and we can re-sync when some interesting
development is finished (and maybe the developer will then become a
committer anyway).
i wouldn't want to have all the administrative work that comes with
creating a new repo somewhere else. or does anyone have issues with the
asf license and therefore does not want their work in svn? if so, let
those people set up a new repo.
--
Jörn Nettingsmeier
"One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code."
- Ken Thompson.
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Re: Hosting Lenya Add-Ons
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Michael Wechner schrieb:
>
>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lenya users,
>>>
>>> if there is interest in developing 3rd-party modules for Lenya as
>>> open source outside the ASF repository, we could for instance create
>>> a project at Origo (http://www.origo.ethz.ch/). I'd start with
>>> moving the feed and person modules from the sandbox to the external
>>> repository.
>>
>>
>>
>> why do you want to move the person and feed module outside of the ASF?
>
>
> IMO the question should be asked the other way round - why should we
> keep a particular module in our codebase?
>
> The person module is only used for a tutorial, I think this doesn't
> justify keeping it in the repository. Maybe we could add it as a ZIP
> file to the documentation.
>
> The feed module is still very rudimentary. It works only with specific
> RSS feeds, there's no error handling etc. AFAIK it didn't gain any
> interest by others - otherwise a lot of bugs would probably have been
> reported :)
> As long as I'm the only person who maintains the module, I think it is
> inappropriate to keep it in the ASF repository.
so I would ask, why has it actually been added to the sandbox if none of
the other devs was ever interested in these two modules?
So it makes sense to me to move them outside.
Cheers
Michael
>
> WDOT?
>
>
>> Btw, re hosting external modules you might also want to consider
>>
>> sourceforge or http://www.swissforge.net/
>
>
> Thanks for the pointers! Swissforge seems to accept only /ch/open
> projects, and they seem to have a focus on Swiss projects.
>
> Another option might be codehaus.org, though I don't know if they
> would accept to host a kind-of sub-project of an ASF project.
>
> I attended a presentation by one of the Origo founders, they seem to
> be very open to all kinds of projects. The technology of the platform
> itself is also very interesting. I have to admit that the future of
> the platform isn't decided upon, though; they're still looking for an
> organization volunteering to provide the infrastructure on a long-term
> basis.
>
> -- Andreas
>
--
Michael Wechner
Wyona - Open Source Content Management - Yanel, Yulup
http://www.wyona.com
michael.wechner@wyona.com, michi@apache.org
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Re: Hosting Lenya Add-Ons
Posted by Richard Frovarp <ri...@sendit.nodak.edu>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Michael Wechner schrieb:
>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lenya users,
>>>
>>> if there is interest in developing 3rd-party modules for Lenya as
>>> open source outside the ASF repository, we could for instance create
>>> a project at Origo (http://www.origo.ethz.ch/). I'd start with
>>> moving the feed and person modules from the sandbox to the external
>>> repository.
>>
>>
>> why do you want to move the person and feed module outside of the ASF?
>
> IMO the question should be asked the other way round - why should we
> keep a particular module in our codebase?
>
> The person module is only used for a tutorial, I think this doesn't
> justify keeping it in the repository. Maybe we could add it as a ZIP
> file to the documentation.
>
> The feed module is still very rudimentary. It works only with specific
> RSS feeds, there's no error handling etc. AFAIK it didn't gain any
> interest by others - otherwise a lot of bugs would probably have been
> reported :)
> As long as I'm the only person who maintains the module, I think it is
> inappropriate to keep it in the ASF repository.
>
> WDOT?
I do have interest in the feed module. I just haven't had the chance to
test or use it yet. It does seem to be something I'll have to get around
to sometime in the next year. However, I have objections to it being
moved off.
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Re: Hosting Lenya Add-Ons
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Michael Wechner schrieb:
> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>
>> Hi Lenya users,
>>
>> if there is interest in developing 3rd-party modules for Lenya as open
>> source outside the ASF repository, we could for instance create a
>> project at Origo (http://www.origo.ethz.ch/). I'd start with moving
>> the feed and person modules from the sandbox to the external repository.
>
>
> why do you want to move the person and feed module outside of the ASF?
IMO the question should be asked the other way round - why should we
keep a particular module in our codebase?
The person module is only used for a tutorial, I think this doesn't
justify keeping it in the repository. Maybe we could add it as a ZIP
file to the documentation.
The feed module is still very rudimentary. It works only with specific
RSS feeds, there's no error handling etc. AFAIK it didn't gain any
interest by others - otherwise a lot of bugs would probably have been
reported :)
As long as I'm the only person who maintains the module, I think it is
inappropriate to keep it in the ASF repository.
WDOT?
> Btw, re hosting external modules you might also want to consider
>
> sourceforge or http://www.swissforge.net/
Thanks for the pointers! Swissforge seems to accept only /ch/open
projects, and they seem to have a focus on Swiss projects.
Another option might be codehaus.org, though I don't know if they would
accept to host a kind-of sub-project of an ASF project.
I attended a presentation by one of the Origo founders, they seem to be
very open to all kinds of projects. The technology of the platform
itself is also very interesting. I have to admit that the future of the
platform isn't decided upon, though; they're still looking for an
organization volunteering to provide the infrastructure on a long-term
basis.
-- Andreas
--
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BeCompany GmbH
http://www.becompany.ch
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Re: Hosting Lenya Add-Ons
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Hi Lenya users,
>
> if there is interest in developing 3rd-party modules for Lenya as open
> source outside the ASF repository, we could for instance create a
> project at Origo (http://www.origo.ethz.ch/). I'd start with moving
> the feed and person modules from the sandbox to the external repository.
why do you want to move the person and feed module outside of the ASF?
Btw, re hosting external modules you might also want to consider
sourceforge or http://www.swissforge.net/
Cheers
Michael
> I'd also offer to make the BeCompany publication open source (it
> doesn't contain any fancy functionality, but maybe someone is
> interested in it).
>
> WDYT?
>
> -- Andreas
>
>
--
Michael Wechner
Wyona - Open Source Content Management - Yanel, Yulup
http://www.wyona.com
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Re: Hosting Lenya Add-Ons
Posted by Sebastian Heyden <se...@gmail.com>.
i think that is a good idea. every module and freely available publication
is alsodocumentation. would be goog to have a starting point like that for
the community.
2008/2/21, Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>:
>
> Hi Lenya users,
>
> if there is interest in developing 3rd-party modules for Lenya as open
> source outside the ASF repository, we could for instance create a
> project at Origo (http://www.origo.ethz.ch/). I'd start with moving the
> feed and person modules from the sandbox to the external repository. I'd
> also offer to make the BeCompany publication open source (it doesn't
> contain any fancy functionality, but maybe someone is interested in it).
>
> WDYT?
>
> -- Andreas
>
>
> --
> Andreas Hartmann, CTO
> BeCompany GmbH
> http://www.becompany.ch
> Tel.: +41 (0) 43 818 57 01
>
>
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