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Posted to user@ofbiz.apache.org by Andrew Ballantine <ac...@willowbrook.co.uk> on 2007/01/02 11:51:13 UTC
RE: Community supported releases WAS [Re: Properly edited OFBiz manuals]
Hi,
Continual update is fine as long as the update process is:
a) Automatic ( like MS Windows updates)
b) Controllable ( Administrator decides when to implement)
c) Reversable (when the update causes a problem)
In order to do that you need a very strict testing program of all updates,
which I do not believe your community, though enthusiastic, can manage.
You will also come to a point where you want to implement something that
breaks previous compatibility and the only way to do that is to have a new
version. In the history of computing all projects reach a point where new
stuff cannot be implemented under the old rules/methods of the project and a
new version is created which has little compatibility with the last version.
There are various reasons for this, but I won't go into them here for the
sake of brevity.
My own personal experience of downloading from the latest SVN of ofbiz is of
failure to build. Maybe I have been unlucky, but I would prefer there to be
a current release that has all major bugs resolved as a working whole.
Revisions to the major release should be made available as updates to the
current stable release, but also added to a newer revised release that will
become the next stable release.
The updates could also be graded so that administrators of production
systems could gain confidence as to whether the update is safe to install.
Any update must be reversible in order to quickly undo an update which gave
unpredicted results.
Kind regards,
Andrew Ballantine.
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Vaughan [mailto:wvaughan@steelerubber.com]
Sent: 29 December 2006 01:54
To: ofbiz-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Community supported releases WAS [Re: Properly edited OFBiz
manuals]
[..snip..]
Golly, what a can of worms is open here. Actually what drew me to ofBiz was
the
amount of updates to the system.
The last commercial ERP solution we considered was SYSPRO. The folks at
Syspro
PRIDE themselves on weekly ports to their software. I have/had an .iso of a
marketing DVD they have with almost two hours of non-stop preaching how ERP
systems must and should be updated on a continuous basis, and that point
release
updates are evil. (e.g. 5.0 -> 6.0 on done every 18 months)
I was sold. Couldn't justify the seat costs for the number I needed, but I
was
sold on the concept. During our courting period I also got a weekly email
that
was similar to what Si Chen does with his blog listing the dozen or so
improvements to the system in the past week, and this in an ERP system with
15,000 current installs.
As a end user, what I am looking for is non-failure. Thus far I have more
than
enough trust in the core developers to always do the right thing.
--
Walter
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Re: Community supported releases WAS [Re: Properly edited OFBiz
manuals]
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
I agree with Jacopo,
I have put in place a task that update OFBiz automatically. Actually I have 3 versions of OFBiz :
std trunk
for POS - I do most of my modifications there
with Opentaps modules
I run by hand ant or ant run-install for each of them suiving if they are new data or not. It takes me less than 10' per day (and
during this elapse most of this time I do other tasks)
If someone is interested here is the batch I use on XP for that
__________________________________________________________________________________________________
@Echo off
d:
cd \WorkspaceNew\ofbiz
ECHO ofbiz======================================================================
call svn up
ECHO ofbiz======================================================================
ECHO *
ECHO *
cd \WorkspaceNew\ofbiz.pos
ECHO ofbiz.pos==================================================================
call svn up
ECHO ofbiz.pos==================================================================
ECHO *
ECHO *
cd \WorkspaceNew\opentaps
ECHO opentaps===================================================================
call svn up
cd \WorkspaceNew\opentaps\hot-deploy\crmsfa
call svn up
cd \WorkspaceNew\opentaps\hot-deploy\financials
call svn up
ECHO opentaps===================================================================
ECHO *
ECHO *
:menu
echo a) ant
echo b) install
echo q) quitter
choice /c:abq Quelle option ?
if errorlevel = 3 goto fin
if errorlevel = 2 goto install
if errorlevel = 1 goto ant
:ant
cd \WorkspaceNew\ofbiz
call ant
pause ofbiz ok ?
cd \WorkspaceNew\ofbiz.pos
call ant
pause ofbiz.pos ok ?
cd \WorkspaceNew\opentaps
call ant
pause opentaps ok ?
goto fin
:install
cd \WorkspaceNew\ofbiz
call ant run-install
pause ofbiz ok ?
cd \WorkspaceNew\ofbiz.pos
call ant run-install
pause ofbiz.pos ok ?
cd \WorkspaceNew\opentaps
call ant run-install
pause opentaps ok ?
:fin
__________________________________________________________________________________________________
Before the choise I have only to search for the token "data" and that's it.
This may be adapted easily even in a .sh I guess.
Jacques
From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ti...@sastau.it>
> Andrew,
>
> Andrew Ballantine wrote:
> > ...
> > My own personal experience of downloading from the latest SVN of ofbiz is of
> > failure to build. Maybe I have been unlucky, but I would prefer there to be
> > a current release that has all major bugs resolved as a working whole.
>
>
> You have been really unlucky... I update the system mostly every day and
> very few times I failed to build the system.
>
> Jacopo
Re: Community supported releases WAS [Re: Properly edited OFBiz manuals]
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>.
Andrew,
Andrew Ballantine wrote:
> ...
> My own personal experience of downloading from the latest SVN of ofbiz is of
> failure to build. Maybe I have been unlucky, but I would prefer there to be
> a current release that has all major bugs resolved as a working whole.
You have been really unlucky... I update the system mostly every day and
very few times I failed to build the system.
Jacopo
Re: Community supported releases WAS [Re: Properly edited OFBiz
manuals]
Posted by Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com>.
Andrew,
I'd agree with this, about 95% of the time everything builds just fine.
If you are getting a problem like this make sure you post here, such
problems are normally fixed VERY quickly!
- Andrew (Sykes)
On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 11:59 +0100, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> Andrew Ballantine wrote:
> > ...
> > My own personal experience of downloading from the latest SVN of ofbiz is of
> > failure to build. Maybe I have been unlucky, but I would prefer there to be
> > a current release that has all major bugs resolved as a working whole.
>
>
> You have been really unlucky... I update the system mostly every day and
> very few times I failed to build the system.
>
> Jacopo
--
Kind Regards
Andrew Sykes <an...@sykesdevelopment.com>
Sykes Development Ltd
http://www.sykesdevelopment.com