Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration

[Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>]

Moving to dev.

Neither Confluence nor the Apache CMS is a good replacement for a
wiki.   Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be a better option for
this yet (an unrestricted group documentation area).   Spam is part of
the price you have to pay to have such an area, and we've been pretty
fortunate to not have had that much of an issue with it.

There was a discussion on various documentation systems on Cayenne
that you might find helpful:

http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cayenne.apache.org/msg06028.html



On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard Petracek
<ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yes - we said we move the content for our users to confluence but maybe it's
> a better idea to wait until apache cms is useable (pdf export,...).
>
> regards,
> gerhard
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
>
> 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>
>> I realized that our Wiki front page is pretty old (not to say outdated)
>> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/FrontPage
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub

Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration

[Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>]

The reality is that we don't use the wiki for drafts.   We use it to
allow anyone, including non-officially-recognized committers, to create
MyFaces specific pages.  I know Confluence as a documentation system
is going away.   It's unclear to me if Confluence as a wiki is going
away.
I have never been involved with Confluence as an administrator, but if
we can easily add anyone to the wiki space, that could be a workable
solution.   If we go that route, we should have something immediately
obvious which describes the process to get access.

My opinion:

Spam isn't a problem so far (going on several years here).   Major
spam attacks get cleaned up by infra and are very rare (I can recall
only three).   Minor ones happen rarely, and are easy to clean up
ourselves.   The benefit of an open wiki far outweighs the spam
cleanup costs.   I suspect that the work to maintain users for
Confluence will be greater than the work we spend cleaning up spam.
And as soon as we introduce a delay (getting authorized), then we will
lose contributions.   I know I've tried to edit certain wikis, but for
the minor change I wanted to make, it wasn't worth coming back at some
later time after I had gone through the process of being authorized.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Gerhard Petracek
<ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> thx mike for moving the thread.
> it looks like it's getting more and i don't like to observe it.
> we already said that we move away from [1].
> instead of keeping the dev-wiki at [1] for drafts,... it might be better to
> create a separate myfaces-dev space at confluence.
> so we can add new contributors quite fast and if they submit spam, we can
> remove them easily.
> that's also the suggestion of the infrastructure team (at least of some of
> them who responded to my question).
> regards,
> gerhard
> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
> 2011/5/19 Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Moving to dev.
>>
>> Neither Confluence nor the Apache CMS is a good replacement for a
>> wiki.   Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be a better option for
>> this yet (an unrestricted group documentation area).   Spam is part of
>> the price you have to pay to have such an area, and we've been pretty
>> fortunate to not have had that much of an issue with it.
>>
>> There was a discussion on various documentation systems on Cayenne
>> that you might find helpful:
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cayenne.apache.org/msg06028.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > yes - we said we move the content for our users to confluence but maybe
>> > it's
>> > a better idea to wait until apache cms is useable (pdf export,...).
>> >
>> > regards,
>> > gerhard
>> > http://www.irian.at
>> >
>> > Your JSF powerhouse -
>> > JSF Consulting, Development and
>> > Courses in English and German
>> >
>> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>> >>
>> >> I realized that our Wiki front page is pretty old (not to say outdated)
>> >> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/FrontPage
>> >>
>> >> LieGrue,
>> >> strub
>
>

Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration

[Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>]

thx mike for moving the thread.

it looks like it's getting more and i don't like to observe it.
we already said that we move away from [1].
instead of keeping the dev-wiki at [1] for drafts,... it might be better to
create a separate myfaces-dev space at confluence.
so we can add new contributors quite fast and if they submit spam, we can
remove them easily.
that's also the suggestion of the infrastructure team (at least of some of
them who responded to my question).

regards,
gerhard

[1] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/

http://www.irian.at

Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German

Professional Support for Apache MyFaces


2011/5/19 Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>

> Moving to dev.
>
> Neither Confluence nor the Apache CMS is a good replacement for a
> wiki.   Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be a better option for
> this yet (an unrestricted group documentation area).   Spam is part of
> the price you have to pay to have such an area, and we've been pretty
> fortunate to not have had that much of an issue with it.
>
> There was a discussion on various documentation systems on Cayenne
> that you might find helpful:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cayenne.apache.org/msg06028.html
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > yes - we said we move the content for our users to confluence but maybe
> it's
> > a better idea to wait until apache cms is useable (pdf export,...).
> >
> > regards,
> > gerhard
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> >>
> >> I realized that our Wiki front page is pretty old (not to say outdated)
> >> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/FrontPage
> >>
> >> LieGrue,
> >> strub
>