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Posted to dev@corinthia.apache.org by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org> on 2015/01/06 17:20:31 UTC
Questions about Private Activities in Corinthia Name
I am puzzled by the following arrangements, which are apparently in private hands:
1. The Facebook page
2. The Twitter account
3. The Web site
The Web site is, of course, an ASF Property, but there is much text framed in terms of "We" yet the work on the web site is in the hands of two individuals that appear to be operating privately (or at least, not operating in public here).
How do we move these, and any blog site too, into some sort of community ownership and community visibility?
- Dennis
PS: I am thrilled that Dorte has organized the web site in a responsive structure by which it is adaptable to all manner of browser form factors. It would be great if the principles were established in a place where all of us could honor them in any contributions made to the site, so that work would be preserved.
RE: Questions about Private Activities in Corinthia Name
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
I think my problem is that I recall casual conversations about things and then the execution surprises me with its details.
I also think there are differences in styles of expression and organization that I have not figured out. There are also tacit understandings in place that are maybe not so obvious to others.
I want to discuss the maintenance of the web separate from the other items. I already started doing that.
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From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 09:28
To: jan i
Cc: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton
Subject: Re: Questions about Private Activities in Corinthia Name
On 6 January 2015 at 17:54, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> For the web we had a discussion a while ago, where I explained that we
> choose not to use a CMS system, and at the moment dorte would prefer to
> make the changes. But since its svn you can do any change you want.
>
> What I do is to write the text and then let dorte make sure the responsive
> design works.
[ ... ]
> I dont think you are unfair with this statement !!
>
Sorry double negation is never good...I meant you are unfair with that
statement...the "we" is a clear reflection of mail threads in here, and
"we" are one community but 1 has to write the page so others can comment on
it.
<orcmid>
I would not use "we" at all. It is never clear what the authoritative
voice is except when the Queen says it.
</orcmid>
[ ... ]
>> PS: I am thrilled that Dorte has organized the web site in a responsive
>> structure by which it is adaptable to all manner of browser form factors.
>> It would be great if the principles were established in a place where all
>> of us could honor them in any contributions made to the site, so that work
>> would be preserved.
>>
> Please bear in mind, that we agreed the Web should not grow, but be a
small number of pages and all dynamic content should be in the wiki
(whatever we choose).
<orcmid>
I took that as a context-free position, but had no understanding of
how it would play out. Does it not have more to do with time sensitivity
and how variable something is whether it deserves preservation on the
web site or on a wiki?
What exactly is the principle being followed with regard to the web
versus wiki?
</orcmid>
The principles are in the html, which you find in svn. It is all made with
foundation (which can be seen in the html).
<orcmid>
Reading code is not usually how I discern principles. I had hoped to
not have to know how to have created those classes to simply use them
properly as the designer intends them to be used.
That does not help me understand why the footer text is under class
"large-9 medium-9 columns" and the text is in a <small> element.
What I am looking for is whatever style guide there is for how
the css and scripts are to be used in a consistent way on the
Corinthia site.
At least now I know I am expected to understand foundation.js. That's
not a small thing. I naively though non-CMS plain HTML was going to
be simpler than this.
</orcmid>
I am sure neither dorte or I do "private" things with corinthia but only
write down PROPOSALS for what things that have been discussed. In case you
still feel "private" things are happening then I will happely stop making
text for web pages, no problem at all.
<orcmid>
Don't stop writing.
But maybe be clear when you have something you would like reviewed,
added to, etc.
I did not realize that you are putting requests in your commit messages.
I must look at them more closely. Sorry.
I think you have far more in your head than what was given much
discussion. It is difficult to anticipate how details will work
out from casual exchanges that may have occurred.
</orcmid>
rgds
jan i.
Re: Questions about Private Activities in Corinthia Name
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 6 January 2015 at 17:54, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 6 January 2015 at 17:20, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I am puzzled by the following arrangements, which are apparently in
>> private hands:
>>
>> 1. The Facebook page
>>
> This page was created by dorte, and everybody was (and is) invited to
> participate. The page needs to be owned by a FB user.
>
>> 2. The Twitter account
>>
> This was created by Daniel, and everybody who wants the password can get
> it from me.
>
>> 3. The Web site
>>
> The web is in svn (incubator), so this is standard ASF.
>
> For the web we had a discussion a while ago, where I explained that we
> choose not to use a CMS system, and at the moment dorte would prefer to
> make the changes. But since its svn you can do any change you want.
>
> What I do is to write the text and then let dorte make sure the responsive
> design works.
>
>
>>
>> The Web site is, of course, an ASF Property, but there is much text
>> framed in terms of "We" yet the work on the web site is in the hands of two
>> individuals that appear to be operating privately (or at least, not
>> operating in public here).
>>
> I dont think you are unfair with this statement !!
>
Sorry double negation is never good...I meant you are unfair with that
statement...the "we" is a clear reflection of mail threads in here, and
"we" are one community but 1 has to write the page so others can comment on
it.
>
> I have done quite a lot to tell what the intentions are, and you can see
> every commit message. Somebody needs to do the first steps, so we can get
> it up and running. The policy pages I just published was both discussed
> earlier in here, and I specifically wrote in several commit messages, that
> we need to discuss the final result.
>
>
>
>>
>> How do we move these, and any blog site too, into some sort of community
>> ownership and community visibility?
>>
> Well start by using the svn for www and tell my your FB id so I can give
> you admin right to the FB page.
>
> We dont currently have a blog site.
>
> rgds
> jan i.
>
>
>>
>> - Dennis
>>
>> PS: I am thrilled that Dorte has organized the web site in a responsive
>> structure by which it is adaptable to all manner of browser form factors.
>> It would be great if the principles were established in a place where all
>> of us could honor them in any contributions made to the site, so that work
>> would be preserved.
>>
> Please bear in mind, that we agreed the Web should not grow, but be a
small number of pages and all dynamic content should be in the wiki
(whatever we choose).
The principles are in the html, which you find in svn. It is all made with
foundation (which can be seen in the html).
I am sure neither dorte or I do "private" things with corinthia but only
write down PROPOSALS for what things that have been discussed. In case you
still feel "private" things are happening then I will happely stop making
text for web pages, no problem at all.
rgds
jan i.
Re: Questions about Private Activities in Corinthia Name
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 06/01/2015 Peter Kelly wrote:
> I don’t have a strong opinion for or against twitter/facebook
> accounts. I’m not convinced of their benefits, but I don’t see
> anything wrong with having them.
Same for me, I'd rather have them than not have them. So long as access
can be shared with (P)PMC members upon request, as it seems to be the
case, fine.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: Questions about Private Activities in Corinthia Name
Posted by Peter Kelly <pm...@apache.org>.
> On 7 Jan 2015, at 1:26 am, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org> wrote:
>
> My impression is that a Twitter account and a Facebook account such as these are only usable for self-promotion of the project. This has little community-engagement value.
>
> I would rather they not exist than have such limited value. Especially since they require effort to keep current in some form.
>
> I recommend that a Project Blog be established instead if we think it is important to give a project voice for announcing events, milestones, and problems of interest. It will be necessary to curate comments and also address the meaningful ones though. That or comments should be disabled.
I don’t have a strong opinion for or against twitter/facebook accounts. I’m not convinced of their benefits, but I don’t see anything wrong with having them.
I definitely agree a project blog would be good to have. I know I really need to get my act together in terms of writing more about the project, and I’m sure there are many useful contributions that others can make as well. I would in fact consider this the most important strategy in terms of social media engagement, especially if we can get people linking to it when we post articles of interest on particular topics.
—
Dr Peter M. Kelly
pmkelly@apache.org
PGP key: http://www.kellypmk.net/pgp-key <http://www.kellypmk.net/pgp-key>
(fingerprint 5435 6718 59F0 DD1F BFA0 5E46 2523 BAA1 44AE 2966)
RE: Questions about Private Activities in Corinthia Name
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
My impression is that a Twitter account and a Facebook account such as these are only usable for self-promotion of the project. This has little community-engagement value.
I would rather they not exist than have such limited value. Especially since they require effort to keep current in some form.
I recommend that a Project Blog be established instead if we think it is important to give a project voice for announcing events, milestones, and problems of interest. It will be necessary to curate comments and also address the meaningful ones though. That or comments should be disabled.
-----Original Message-----
From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 08:55
To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton
Subject: Re: Questions about Private Activities in Corinthia Name
On 6 January 2015 at 17:20, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
wrote:
> I am puzzled by the following arrangements, which are apparently in
> private hands:
>
> 1. The Facebook page
>
This page was created by dorte, and everybody was (and is) invited to
participate. The page needs to be owned by a FB user.
> 2. The Twitter account
>
This was created by Daniel, and everybody who wants the password can get it
from me.
[ ... ]
Re: Questions about Private Activities in Corinthia Name
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 6 January 2015 at 17:20, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
wrote:
> I am puzzled by the following arrangements, which are apparently in
> private hands:
>
> 1. The Facebook page
>
This page was created by dorte, and everybody was (and is) invited to
participate. The page needs to be owned by a FB user.
> 2. The Twitter account
>
This was created by Daniel, and everybody who wants the password can get it
from me.
> 3. The Web site
>
The web is in svn (incubator), so this is standard ASF.
For the web we had a discussion a while ago, where I explained that we
choose not to use a CMS system, and at the moment dorte would prefer to
make the changes. But since its svn you can do any change you want.
What I do is to write the text and then let dorte make sure the responsive
design works.
>
> The Web site is, of course, an ASF Property, but there is much text framed
> in terms of "We" yet the work on the web site is in the hands of two
> individuals that appear to be operating privately (or at least, not
> operating in public here).
>
I dont think you are unfair with this statement !!
I have done quite a lot to tell what the intentions are, and you can see
every commit message. Somebody needs to do the first steps, so we can get
it up and running. The policy pages I just published was both discussed
earlier in here, and I specifically wrote in several commit messages, that
we need to discuss the final result.
>
> How do we move these, and any blog site too, into some sort of community
> ownership and community visibility?
>
Well start by using the svn for www and tell my your FB id so I can give
you admin right to the FB page.
We dont currently have a blog site.
rgds
jan i.
>
> - Dennis
>
> PS: I am thrilled that Dorte has organized the web site in a responsive
> structure by which it is adaptable to all manner of browser form factors.
> It would be great if the principles were established in a place where all
> of us could honor them in any contributions made to the site, so that work
> would be preserved.
>
>