RE: Tomcat & IIS - success

[Reynir Hübner <re...@hugsmidjan.is>]

Hello David, 

I am sorry I cannot let this go by with out comment. 

4 DAYS!!! HELLO ??? it should not take you longer than 30 minutes if you went by the book. even so 2-4 hours is max for a newbie. for someone that has done this before, it should take around 10-15 minutes. 

I know you got alot of responses from the mailinglist, on the subject, I know there are alot of websites that take on this matter, many people tried to help you, and I guess you did either not understand or read the emails and websites on the subject, because if you did, you would have finished it yesterday (at least if you read & understood, and went by the instructions in the emails I wrote).

I think your 4 days spent on making Tomcat run with IIS is a world record, so comparing that with buying and installing JRUN, well are you sure you would not have any problems installing JRUN or even Jrun / IIS combination ? 

bye
-reynir



> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Thielen [mailto:dave@thielen.com]
> Sent: 28. júní 2002 17:49
> To: 'Tomcat Users List'
> Subject: Tomcat & IIS - success
> 
> 
> Hi;
> 
> Well if I had it to do over again I would have bought JRun - 
> $895.00 but 2 hours instead of 4 days effort.
> 
> For those still fighting getting Tomcat to run with IIS I 
> suggest the following:
> 
> 1) Reboot after any change of any kind in the configuration 
> of Tomcat stop/starting IIS is not enough for most things.
> 
> 2) Put all your jsp related pages under Tomcat. Don't try to 
> put then in Inetpub/wwwroot (still can't figure that one out).
> 
> 3) If you need jsp through a virtual web site, add the 
> jakarta virtual directory but do NOT add as a filter for that site.
> 
> Thank you to all who helped me get this working.
> 
> - dave
> 

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RE: Tomcat & IIS - success

[Andrew Conrad <an...@msn.com>]

I think I'm in agreement with Dave here.  While I can't say it took me
quite as long, about 6 hours, it was extremely difficult to find the
documentation on configuring IIS with Tomcat.  Who would have thought
(as a newbe) to look in the AJP configuration documentation?  Along with
the JGuru.com FAQ that leads to a seriously flawed installation guide.  

I guess my point is that ripping this poor chap for taking 4 days (which
does seem a little excessive but not unbelievable) is a little
counter-productive.  We should take this endless barrage of IIS
installation problems as a HINT to improve the documentation and
navigation to the documentation.


OK, saying that, my question to anyone reading this thread is:

How do I help with the documentation?  

I've written an installation guide that I believe improves on the
current documentation (which might only be my opinion)
(http://www.getnet.net/~rbarr/TomcatOnIIS/default.htm) and I've written
a setup program to automate the installation of the redirector
completely. I would like to include them in the documentation and the
distribution, but I'm not real sure how.  Do I just drop a line in the
developers' mailing list, or what?


Thanks,

Andrew




-----Original Message-----
From: David Bishop [mailto:dbishop@micron.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 3:03 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: Tomcat & IIS - success

I have been a unix administrator (i.e., Solaris, HPUX, AIX, Linux, BSD,
Sco,
+more) for 4 years.  I have had tomcat 3.x running for over a year.  I
have
admin'ed apache for over three years.  Summary: I know what the hell I'm
doing.  It took me 7 days to get apache + tomcat 4.0.4 running together,
perfectly (i.e., everything up, talking together, webapps reloading,
etc. I
finished the last bit three hours ago).  4 days is *not* a world record.
A
year ago, when I was installing tomcat for the first time, it took over
two
weeks.

Tomcat: nice, incredibly stable, very flexible, great product.  Also
close to
the worst, most confusing documentation that I've ever run across.*  I
think
it's fair to say that someone can spend quite a while setting it up, and
not
be an idiot.  At least, I hope so :-)  You can bet that my employer has
spent
more than $895 getting tomcat to work.  We just accept that sometimes
Free
Software is more expensive, out of the gate, then non-Free.  Oh, well...

*You'll note that I am not complaining, per se, about the docs.  If I
was,
then the proper reply woud be "Then write some good ones!". But I'm
not...

- --
D.A.Bishop


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Re: Tomcat & IIS - success

[David Bishop <db...@micron.com>]

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On Friday 28 June 2002 12:29 pm, Reynir Hübner wrote:
> Hello David,
>
> I am sorry I cannot let this go by with out comment.
>
> 4 DAYS!!! HELLO ??? it should not take you longer than 30 minutes if you
> went by the book. even so 2-4 hours is max for a newbie. for someone that
> has done this before, it should take around 10-15 minutes.
>
> I know you got alot of responses from the mailinglist, on the subject, I
> know there are alot of websites that take on this matter, many people tried
> to help you, and I guess you did either not understand or read the emails
> and websites on the subject, because if you did, you would have finished it
> yesterday (at least if you read & understood, and went by the instructions
> in the emails I wrote).
>
> I think your 4 days spent on making Tomcat run with IIS is a world record,
> so comparing that with buying and installing JRUN, well are you sure you
> would not have any problems installing JRUN or even Jrun / IIS combination
> ?

I have been a unix administrator (i.e., Solaris, HPUX, AIX, Linux, BSD, Sco, 
+more) for 4 years.  I have had tomcat 3.x running for over a year.  I have 
admin'ed apache for over three years.  Summary: I know what the hell I'm 
doing.  It took me 7 days to get apache + tomcat 4.0.4 running together, 
perfectly (i.e., everything up, talking together, webapps reloading, etc. I 
finished the last bit three hours ago).  4 days is *not* a world record.  A 
year ago, when I was installing tomcat for the first time, it took over two 
weeks.

Tomcat: nice, incredibly stable, very flexible, great product.  Also close to 
the worst, most confusing documentation that I've ever run across.*  I think 
it's fair to say that someone can spend quite a while setting it up, and not 
be an idiot.  At least, I hope so :-)  You can bet that my employer has spent 
more than $895 getting tomcat to work.  We just accept that sometimes Free 
Software is more expensive, out of the gate, then non-Free.  Oh, well...

*You'll note that I am not complaining, per se, about the docs.  If I was, 
then the proper reply woud be "Then write some good ones!". But I'm not...

- -- 
D.A.Bishop

"Three people can take efficient care of a unix system as long as two of them 
are dead"     - Unknown HP-UX mailing list member
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