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Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!
I am not certain on this point, but I believe Jack Cai would be
interested in being a mentor. I don't think he is subscribed to this
mailing list tho.
Jack?
Bill
On 6/29/11 9:12 PM, Chen Liu wrote:
> Hi,all,
>
> Now, Bluesky project calls for a new mentor to guide us to complete the
> release work of 4th version.
>
> BlueSky is an e-learning solution designed to help solve the disparity in
> availability of qualified education between well-developed cities and poorer
> regions of
>
> China (e.g., countryside of Western China). BlueSky is already deployed to
> 12 + 5 primary/high schools with positive reviews.BlueSky was originally
> created by Qinghua Zheng and Jun Liu in September 2005. The BlueSky
> development is being done at XJTU-IBM Open Technology and Application Joint
> Develop Center, more than 20 developers are involved. And it entered
> incubation on 2008-01-12.
>
> BlueSky is consisted with two subsystems -- RealClass system and MersMp
> system, both of which contains a set of flexible, extensible applications
> such as "Distance Collaboration System", "Collaboration player",
> "Collaboration recording tool", "Resources Sharing and Management Platform"
> and Access of mobile terminal, designed by engineers and educators with
> years of experience in the problem domain, as well as a framework that makes
> it possible to create new applications that exist with others.
>
> Currently,Bluesky project has evolved into the 4th version system with more
> flexible applications and stabilities. We had developed the core
> applications of bluesky system with QT to support both Windows and Linux.
> What's more important, the new version system has the feature of integrated
> applications, which means that user can record a video during the
> interactive process and then play it in VOD method.The third advancement is
> that the 4th version sysytem supports Android platform and we can further
> advance Blursky in the mobile domain.
>
> We propose to move future development of BlueSky to the Apache Software
> Foundation in order to build a broader user and developer community. We hope
> to encourage contributions and use of Bluesky by other developing countries
> with similar education needs. Currently, the new version of BlueSky system
> is already handy to release.We really need to add an enthusiastic and
> responsive mentor to help us to complete full cycle of successful release.So
> we hope that with the help of developers all around the world, the system
> could become more powerful and functional in education area.
>
> We appreciate your attentions to Bluesky project.
>
> Best regards.
>
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Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
This reflects my sentiments as well.
Regards,
Alan
On Jul 1, 2011, at 7:49 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> Based on the email trail recently, I'm in favor of completing the
> vote. I think that there is sufficient evidence that this project has
> 'failed to launch' as an Apache community, and should go put itself on
> github. If enough people disagree, they can vote -1.
>
> My vote is +1 to retire.
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Bill Stoddard <wg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am not certain on this point, but I believe Jack Cai would be interested
>> in being a mentor. I don't think he is subscribed to this mailing list tho.
>>
>> Jack?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On 6/29/11 9:12 PM, Chen Liu wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,all,
>>>
>>> Now, Bluesky project calls for a new mentor to guide us to complete the
>>> release work of 4th version.
>>>
>>> BlueSky is an e-learning solution designed to help solve the disparity in
>>> availability of qualified education between well-developed cities and
>>> poorer
>>> regions of
>>>
>>> China (e.g., countryside of Western China). BlueSky is already deployed to
>>> 12 + 5 primary/high schools with positive reviews.BlueSky was originally
>>> created by Qinghua Zheng and Jun Liu in September 2005. The BlueSky
>>> development is being done at XJTU-IBM Open Technology and Application
>>> Joint
>>> Develop Center, more than 20 developers are involved. And it entered
>>> incubation on 2008-01-12.
>>>
>>> BlueSky is consisted with two subsystems -- RealClass system and MersMp
>>> system, both of which contains a set of flexible, extensible applications
>>> such as "Distance Collaboration System", "Collaboration player",
>>> "Collaboration recording tool", "Resources Sharing and Management
>>> Platform"
>>> and Access of mobile terminal, designed by engineers and educators with
>>> years of experience in the problem domain, as well as a framework that
>>> makes
>>> it possible to create new applications that exist with others.
>>>
>>> Currently,Bluesky project has evolved into the 4th version system with
>>> more
>>> flexible applications and stabilities. We had developed the core
>>> applications of bluesky system with QT to support both Windows and Linux.
>>> What's more important, the new version system has the feature of
>>> integrated
>>> applications, which means that user can record a video during the
>>> interactive process and then play it in VOD method.The third advancement
>>> is
>>> that the 4th version sysytem supports Android platform and we can further
>>> advance Blursky in the mobile domain.
>>>
>>> We propose to move future development of BlueSky to the Apache Software
>>> Foundation in order to build a broader user and developer community. We
>>> hope
>>> to encourage contributions and use of Bluesky by other developing
>>> countries
>>> with similar education needs. Currently, the new version of BlueSky system
>>> is already handy to release.We really need to add an enthusiastic and
>>> responsive mentor to help us to complete full cycle of successful
>>> release.So
>>> we hope that with the help of developers all around the world, the system
>>> could become more powerful and functional in education area.
>>>
>>> We appreciate your attentions to Bluesky project.
>>>
>>> Best regards.
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!
Posted by "William A. Rowe Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On 7/1/2011 4:04 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote:
>
>> From: William A. Rowe Jr. [mailto:wrowe@rowe-clan.net]
>> We also made it clear the *author* should also commit their own code, and
>> all authors should become committers.
>
> Each term (semester) Bluesky will get a new crop of students (committers) and
> the old ones will be gone forever.
Sounds like SoC... and that's a pretty blanket generalization. One would
hope a few students decide to continue contributing once their 'assignment'
is finished, and it's absolutely mandatory that the project continue to
accept their participation, if some so desire.
> Are we to keep on creating new committer accts for these folks knowing damn well
> that at the end of the term they disappear and a new lot appears? This is why they (
> when they did commit) shared accounts.
This differs from SoC how?
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Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!
Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.
On Jul 1, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: William A. Rowe Jr. [mailto:wrowe@rowe-clan.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2011 1:24 AM
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!
>>
>> On 7/1/2011 10:19 AM, Luciano Resende wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Based on the email trail recently, I'm in favor of completing the
>>>> vote. I think that there is sufficient evidence that this project has
>>>> 'failed to launch' as an Apache community, and should go put itself
>>>> on github. If enough people disagree, they can vote -1.
>>>>
>>>> My vote is +1 to retire.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This will be my sentiment as well, particularly if I look at the
>>> commit list archive [1] on Monday and continue to see no commits even
>>> after telling the podling that the code should be committed to Apache
>>> repository and any cleanup or further development should be done in
>>> the open.
>>>
>>> http://apache.markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.blues
>>> ky-commits
>>
>> We also made it clear the *author* should also commit their own code, and
>> all authors should become committers.
>
> Each term (semester) Bluesky will get a new crop of students (committers) and
> the old ones will be gone forever.
>
> Are we to keep on creating new committer accts for these folks knowing damn well
> that at the end of the term they disappear and a new lot appears? This is why they (
> when they did commit) shared accounts.
>
> For the infra requirements of an Apache project alone, this project does not fit.
> Sounds like a great project, but not one that belongs here under its current style of
> working. If they can change that somehow ...
>
> (It's also obvious a 'community' will never get time to gel as the next lot move out/in ,
> It's also obvious outsiders to Bluesky will likely not be able to participate, as that is not
> what the project is about - from their end. (So a diverse community cannot be built...)
>
> I see no benefit to the ASF or Bluesky in continuing on, but I hope to be mistaken.
>
> Gav...
+1
I also don't feel the vote to retire should be tabled. I'm convinced this project is not going to gel into anything that would ever make it out of the incubator.
Ralph
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Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!
Posted by Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Gavin McDonald <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
> Are we to keep on creating new committer accts for these folks knowing damn well
> that at the end of the term they disappear and a new lot appears? This is why they (
> when they did commit) shared accounts.
What if the students all served as contributors rather than
committers, with a core of committers that handled the contributions?
As long as a contribution is made to a JIRA, and said contribution was
flagged as being released to ASF, that should ensure clean IP, right?
Of course, that's presupposing all the code is maintained publicly from now on.
Don
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RE: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!
Posted by Gavin McDonald <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William A. Rowe Jr. [mailto:wrowe@rowe-clan.net]
> Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2011 1:24 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!
>
> On 7/1/2011 10:19 AM, Luciano Resende wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Based on the email trail recently, I'm in favor of completing the
> >> vote. I think that there is sufficient evidence that this project has
> >> 'failed to launch' as an Apache community, and should go put itself
> >> on github. If enough people disagree, they can vote -1.
> >>
> >> My vote is +1 to retire.
> >>
> >
> > This will be my sentiment as well, particularly if I look at the
> > commit list archive [1] on Monday and continue to see no commits even
> > after telling the podling that the code should be committed to Apache
> > repository and any cleanup or further development should be done in
> > the open.
> >
> > http://apache.markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.blues
> > ky-commits
>
> We also made it clear the *author* should also commit their own code, and
> all authors should become committers.
Each term (semester) Bluesky will get a new crop of students (committers) and
the old ones will be gone forever.
Are we to keep on creating new committer accts for these folks knowing damn well
that at the end of the term they disappear and a new lot appears? This is why they (
when they did commit) shared accounts.
For the infra requirements of an Apache project alone, this project does not fit.
Sounds like a great project, but not one that belongs here under its current style of
working. If they can change that somehow ...
(It's also obvious a 'community' will never get time to gel as the next lot move out/in ,
It's also obvious outsiders to Bluesky will likely not be able to participate, as that is not
what the project is about - from their end. (So a diverse community cannot be built...)
I see no benefit to the ASF or Bluesky in continuing on, but I hope to be mistaken.
Gav...
>
> I know of no progress on this issue, either.
>
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Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!
Posted by "William A. Rowe Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On 7/1/2011 10:19 AM, Luciano Resende wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Based on the email trail recently, I'm in favor of completing the
>> vote. I think that there is sufficient evidence that this project has
>> 'failed to launch' as an Apache community, and should go put itself on
>> github. If enough people disagree, they can vote -1.
>>
>> My vote is +1 to retire.
>>
>
> This will be my sentiment as well, particularly if I look at the
> commit list archive [1] on Monday and continue to see no commits even
> after telling the podling that the code should be committed to Apache
> repository and any cleanup or further development should be done in
> the open.
>
> http://apache.markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.bluesky-commits
We also made it clear the *author* should also commit their own code,
and all authors should become committers.
I know of no progress on this issue, either.
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Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Based on the email trail recently, I'm in favor of completing the
> vote. I think that there is sufficient evidence that this project has
> 'failed to launch' as an Apache community, and should go put itself on
> github. If enough people disagree, they can vote -1.
>
> My vote is +1 to retire.
>
This will be my sentiment as well, particularly if I look at the
commit list archive [1] on Monday and continue to see no commits even
after telling the podling that the code should be committed to Apache
repository and any cleanup or further development should be done in
the open.
http://apache.markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.bluesky-commits
--
Luciano Resende
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http://lresende.blogspot.com/
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Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
Based on the email trail recently, I'm in favor of completing the
vote. I think that there is sufficient evidence that this project has
'failed to launch' as an Apache community, and should go put itself on
github. If enough people disagree, they can vote -1.
My vote is +1 to retire.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Bill Stoddard <wg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am not certain on this point, but I believe Jack Cai would be interested
> in being a mentor. I don't think he is subscribed to this mailing list tho.
>
> Jack?
>
> Bill
>
> On 6/29/11 9:12 PM, Chen Liu wrote:
>>
>> Hi,all,
>>
>> Now, Bluesky project calls for a new mentor to guide us to complete the
>> release work of 4th version.
>>
>> BlueSky is an e-learning solution designed to help solve the disparity in
>> availability of qualified education between well-developed cities and
>> poorer
>> regions of
>>
>> China (e.g., countryside of Western China). BlueSky is already deployed to
>> 12 + 5 primary/high schools with positive reviews.BlueSky was originally
>> created by Qinghua Zheng and Jun Liu in September 2005. The BlueSky
>> development is being done at XJTU-IBM Open Technology and Application
>> Joint
>> Develop Center, more than 20 developers are involved. And it entered
>> incubation on 2008-01-12.
>>
>> BlueSky is consisted with two subsystems -- RealClass system and MersMp
>> system, both of which contains a set of flexible, extensible applications
>> such as "Distance Collaboration System", "Collaboration player",
>> "Collaboration recording tool", "Resources Sharing and Management
>> Platform"
>> and Access of mobile terminal, designed by engineers and educators with
>> years of experience in the problem domain, as well as a framework that
>> makes
>> it possible to create new applications that exist with others.
>>
>> Currently,Bluesky project has evolved into the 4th version system with
>> more
>> flexible applications and stabilities. We had developed the core
>> applications of bluesky system with QT to support both Windows and Linux.
>> What's more important, the new version system has the feature of
>> integrated
>> applications, which means that user can record a video during the
>> interactive process and then play it in VOD method.The third advancement
>> is
>> that the 4th version sysytem supports Android platform and we can further
>> advance Blursky in the mobile domain.
>>
>> We propose to move future development of BlueSky to the Apache Software
>> Foundation in order to build a broader user and developer community. We
>> hope
>> to encourage contributions and use of Bluesky by other developing
>> countries
>> with similar education needs. Currently, the new version of BlueSky system
>> is already handy to release.We really need to add an enthusiastic and
>> responsive mentor to help us to complete full cycle of successful
>> release.So
>> we hope that with the help of developers all around the world, the system
>> could become more powerful and functional in education area.
>>
>> We appreciate your attentions to Bluesky project.
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>
>
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