Paiment Repre sentative spams

[Igor Chudov <ic...@Algebra.Com>]

I get a lot of spams where I am being "offered" a lucrative occupation
that involves transferring finanscial assets from one place to
another. It is clearly a scam, however, I am now sure what. Are these
for thieves who are moving stolen money to their real accounts, using
victims as decoys (maybe chained)? Is this business so huge as to
warrant several dozen such spams per day? Is something done to catch
these criminals?

i

Re: Paiment Repre sentative spams

["Chr. v. Stuckrad" <st...@mi.fu-berlin.de>]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Igor Chudov wrote:

> for thieves who are moving stolen money to their real accounts, using

A german radio-station in Berlin had a feature
abount those criminals. Sending trojans as spam
to people using homebanking, they capture money,
and to transfer this money to themselves they
need those 'helpers', who receive the 'payments'
in-country, then transfer to other countries where
the money 'vanishes'.

In germany doing such a transfer is 'laundering
money', and the 'helper' not only falls under this
law but also has to pay back the whole sum, while
the 'real criminal' normally is already gone ...

It was assumed that there are millions more 'pins + tans'
grabbed, and 'on hold', while the scams do not recruit
'enough helpers' to get hold on the money of the already
trojanized bank-accounts.  So seemingly lots of people
have caught on and are ignorig those scams.

(I hope my largely rusty english comes across :-)

Stucki  (getting lots of those all the time)

Re: Paiment Repre sentative spams

["McDonald, Dan" <Da...@austinenergy.com>]

On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 11:01 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote:
> I get a lot of spams where I am being "offered" a lucrative occupation
> that involves transferring finanscial assets from one place to
> another. It is clearly a scam, however, I am now sure what. Are these
> for thieves who are moving stolen money to their real accounts, using
> victims as decoys (maybe chained)?

No, they are "transferring" money to your account, then back again, then
the first transfer bounces, and you are left with the liability on the
second transfer....  So the person who answers is the direct victim.

>  Is this business so huge as to
> warrant several dozen such spams per day? Is something done to catch
> these criminals?

That's a question for your Attorney General, or whatever the local
equivalent would be...

-- 
Daniel J McDonald, CCIE #2495, CISSP #78281, CNX
Austin Energy
http://www.austinenergy.com

Re: Paiment Repre sentative spams

[Alex Woick <al...@wombaz.de>]

Igor Chudov schrieb am 26.11.2007 18:01:

> I get a lot of spams where I am being "offered" a lucrative occupation
> that involves transferring finanscial assets from one place to
> another. It is clearly a scam, however, I am now sure what.

This is the way phishers transfer stolen money from a "phished" bank 
account/bank transaction to their own account. First they transfer the 
money from the phished account to the account of a hired innocent (hired 
via spam), who himself transfers it to an account that is under control 
of the phisher.

The hired individual is later hold responsible by the bank and generally 
has to pay back the money to the account of the phished victim. 
Additionally, he is sued for money laundering in some countries. In 
Germany for example this is the case. So he is a double victim: he also 
lost his money and has a pending lawsuit.

The phisher probably remains undetected. I don't have heard much about 
success in law-enforcing in this area, unfortunately.

Tschau
Alex