Shale Status

[Bernhard Slominski <be...@zooplus.com>]

Thanks Paul, good idea!

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Paul Spencer [mailto:paulsp@apache.org]
Gesendet: Montag, 4. Februar 2008 23:39
An: user@shale.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Shale Status


Bernhard,
I suggest you post this to the developer's list.

Paul Spencer

Bernhard Slominski wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I make a small presentation about Shale in the JSF Days in Vienna, for that I'd like to have some information about the current status of Shale.
> I just went through the maillist, but it's a bit difficult to find hard facts.
> 
> So my questions are the following
> 
> - Next Shale relaese
> Right now there is no plan for a Shale 1.0.5 release right?
> Corresponding thread: http://markmail.org/message/nagpn7igxeowjtx6?q=org%2Eapache%2Eshale%2Edev
> 
> - What goes where?
> There was this thread: http://markmail.org/message/3ws5fzthj2yfdjjp?q=org%2Eapache%2Eshale%2Edev+list:org%2Eapache%2Eshale%2Edev
> But there was no final decision on what goes where, so is it still open, or is there a decision?
> 
> - Shale itsself
> Will it disappear as an Apache Top Level project?
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> Bernhard
> 

Re: AW: Shale Status

[samju <ju...@netscape.net>]

Sorry I am not on the Dev list. but I would like to mention that McGraw-Hill
Education will release a Book written by Holmes, James under the name
"Shale" Complete Reference?. they speak about The ultimate Struts 2
resourceHere is the first definitive text on Java' s newest and most modern
Web application framework--Struts 2.0.
Bernhard I am ready to work , if you are looking for co-authors.

Sam Julian

Bernhard Slominski wrote:
> 
> Gary, thanks for the answer.
> 
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Gary VanMatre [mailto:gvanmatre@comcast.net]
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Februar 2008 16:08
>> An: dev@shale.apache.org
>> Betreff: Re: Shale Status
>> 
>> 
>> Say, weren't you working on a Shale in Action book at one 
>> time.  Maybe I've confused the name. 
>> 
> 
> I was working on this that's right and I already finished 5 chapters,
> problem is that some co-authors didn't finish their stuff, also right now
> the future od Shale itsself is really unsure, so at the minute I don't see
> a chance that someone will publish the book.
> Even though I think I should do something with the 5 chapters, maybe I
> release it as a blog or I pass it to the community, I guess there will be
> some interest.
> 
>> The vision of Shale was to provide feature addons to JSF.  We will be
>> seeing forms of these features added to the next versions of the JSF spec
>> so as time > passes they will be less desirable.  However, I have to
>> believe there are fresh ideas out there looking for a home.
>  
>> I don't think I can answer you question about when the next shale release
>> will be.  I think it depends on when we can coordinate the efforts.
> 
> I think we are still suffering from the "loss" of Craig, but in gerneral I
> guess Shale should not disappear, it is useful and people want and need
> the stuff which is in Shale, question is really is the developper and user
> community strong enough to keep Shale alive?
> I see what feedback I can get from the presentation.
> 
> Bernhard
> 
> 
> 

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Re: AW: Shale Status

[Greg Reddin <gr...@gmail.com>]

On Feb 6, 2008 4:12 AM, samju <ju...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> * Seam similar architecture. Which  Shale concepts did Seam implemented?
> Was Shale created to elaborate JCreator?

Seam implements the annotations piece which is also in play for JSF
2.0. I think Seam also implements some of the concepts in the
ActionController. I can't remember about the Remoting. Some of the
ideas of the Dialog components are also present in Seam, but I don't
think they've taken it as far.

Greg

Re: AW: Shale Status

[samju <ju...@netscape.net>]

I could not resist to post.
You talk about
* motivation. What do You think about new subproject Shale-RCP?
* Seam similar architecture. Which  Shale concepts did Seam implemented? 
Was Shale created to elaborate JCreator?

Sam Julian


Greg Reddin-4 wrote:
> 
> Shale is an open source project. It will never *die* unless the ASF
> dies or kills it and nobody copies the code over to some other
> repository. That's one of the main reasons we like open source. It's
> not dependent on the existence of any person, company, or
> organization.
> 
> It's funny how the discussion that occurred here and on the MyFaces
> list has created all this buzz about "Shale is dying" and all that
> crap. The biggest problem we have (and I'm part of the problem) is
> that new people are not stepping up to the plate to contribute to the
> development process and many of the existing committers are doing
> other things and not contributing as much to the project.
> 
> Of course, the project has reached a level of stability where no
> contribution is required to make the codebase inherently useful. Also
> similar architectures like Seam and Facelets are taking some
> Shale(ish) concepts and implementing them in other ways (with
> corporate support) thus making parts of Shale redundant. As Gary said
> some of the concepts of Shale are being introduced at spec level for
> the next gen of JSF and might make Shale even more redundant. So the
> motivation for people to step in and sling code is not necessarily
> huge - especially given some of the barriers to entry that are
> inherent in open source.
> 
> I know the tone of this message is a bit short, but please don't
> detect any sense of anger or frustration in my thoughts. I'm just
> trying to explain that "inactivity != death". We're not like an infant
> whose arms and legs are always in motion unless he's asleep. We're
> more like old guys who sit on the porch and don't move unless our beer
> glass is empty :-) If we all stop committing for 6 months or even a
> year it does not mean the project is not being supported. In fact I'm
> using parts of it in production every day. You can bet if I find a bug
> I'll fix it - I just haven't found any yet in the stuff I'm using. The
> fact that I haven't committed to any of the other parts just means my
> time has been spent on other things (like watching an infant
> constantly move his arms and legs for no particular reason).
> 
> I guess the bottom line is that Shale is not dead. If anybody is
> unhappy with a lack of activity then, by all means, we welcome
> activity.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 

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