Re: DISCUSS: Ripple as a sub-project of Cordova

[Gord Tanner <go...@tinyhippos.com>]

Wow!

That would be amazing Jukka :)

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Tuesday, July 31, 2012, Ross Gardler wrote:
>
> > On 30 July 2012 22:18, Gord Tanner <gord@tinyhippos.com <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> > >  Our main goal for Ripple being in the ASF is to try to build community
> > > around it and get the cordova / mobile web app developer bases behind
> it
> > > and able to contribute to it without the "This belongs to RIM" mindset
> we
> > > are getting now.
> >
> > That's a very good start ;-)
>
>
> +1
>
> The broader community goal is best served by being a separate podling.
> > The narrower Cordova goal might be better served by being a
> > sub-project and, as Jukka said, you can always spin-out of Cordova as
> > a TLP later.
>
>
> Or vice versa, if Ripple on its own doesn't end up attracting a community
> beyond that of Cordova, it's also possible to "spin-in" later to a Cordova
> subproject.
>
> Based on the discussion so far it sounds like Ripple has the makings of a
> great Apache project also on its own, especially with co-operation and some
> committer overlap with Cordova.
>
>
> > > This may be getting off topic now for the cordova mailing lists so who
> > do I
> > > talk to from ASF to start setting up the donation of Ripple?
> >
> > First off you need a Champion. Their role is to help guide you through
> > the proposal process which is described at [1]. The role of champion
> > is defined at [2]
>
>
> You'll also need some Apache mentors to help once you get started. I'd be
> happy to volunteer.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
>
>
> > >
> > > Gord
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Ross Gardler
> > > <rg...@opendirective.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 30 July 2012 16:56, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
> wrote:
> > >> > If Ripple was donated as a standalone project, then a shared
> > >> > general@mailing-list between Cordova and Ripple would be very nice.
> > >>
> > >> IMHO such lists don't (often) make sense. Jukka made the suggestion
> > >> using Hadoop as an example of a consortium of projects. However, there
> > >> is (to my knowledge - Jukka will correct me if I'm wrong) no such list
> > >> for Hadoop.
> > >>
> > >> What topics would need to be discussed on a general mailing list
> > >> between the two projects which could not be adequately carried out on
> > >> the more focused project list?
> > >>
> > >> Unless there is a very surprising answer to the above question, the
> > >> way I see it the options are...
> > >>
> > >>   - Ripple as a sub-project of Cordova with all development on
> > >> cordova-dev (potential for too much non-cordova discussion) - example
> > >> lucene and friends
> > >>
> > >>   - Ripple as a new podling with all development on ripple-dev and
> > >> cordova-dev (interested cordova and ripple devs cross-subscribe) -
> > >> example hadoop and friends
> > >>
> > >> Remember, this is only my opinion based on my observations of what
> > >> works in the ASF today - the ASF is a flexible place. Changes to old
> > >> approaches can be adopted when good reason to do so is presented.
> > >>
> > >> Ross
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Ross Gardler <
> > >> rgardler@opendirective.com>wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On 30 July 2012 15:06, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >> > Hi,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:18 PM,  <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> I sometimes see cordova not as a specific platform (or set of
> > APIs)
> > >> but
> > >> >> as a leader
> > >> >> >> in the open mobile web.  If we are able to step away from the
> > idea of
> > >> >> cordova being
> > >> >> >> a singular platform but the bleeding edge of mobile web r & d it
> > >> makes
> > >> >> sense to
> > >> >> >> have ripple be a part of that.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > A good example of how such a vision is being realized at the ASF
> is
> > >> >> > the Hadoop project that has given birth to a growing ecosystem of
> > >> >> > related cloud and big data projects at and around the ASF.
> Instead
> > of
> > >> >> > Hadoop hosting related projects like HBase, Pig, ZooKeeper, etc.
> as
> > >> >> > subprojects under a single PMC, it simply acts as a central focus
> > >> >> > point for a larger cluster of projects.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I'd love to see Cordova increasingly position itself as such a
> > focus
> > >> >> > point for mobile web projects both within and outside the ASF.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> +1
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > One
> > >> >> > concrete idea towards such a goal could be to start a
> > general@mailing
> > >> >> > list as a shared forum like the one Hadoop has for discussions
> that
> > >> >> > reach beyond the boundaries of individual projects or codebases.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I'm not sure we're ready for that yet. What other projects would be
> > >> >> interested in this?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Possibly Wookie (W3C Widget engine), others?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ross
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> > >> >> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> > >> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Ross Gardler (@rg
>
>
>
> --
> Jukka Zitting
>



-- 
Gord Tanner
Senior Developer / Code Poet
tinyHippos Inc.
@tinyhippos

Re: DISCUSS: Ripple as a sub-project of Cordova

[Dan Silivestru <da...@gmail.com>]

Hi Ross,

This is very much appreciated. Thank you so much. Gord and I will be
working on the Proposal today and we'll try to have the first draft ready
for next week (it will be all Gord since I'm away on vacation next week).
Will switch to email from now on so as to not spam the group.

Thanks,

Dan.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:52 AM, Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>wrote:

> I'm happy to champion too, if that would be acceptable to you. I don't have
> the cycles to mentor, but I'd I help hey you into the incubator that will
> free Jukka to focus on getting Cordova through the final steps while I
> focus on helping you with your proposal.
>
> Have a read through the resources I sent you and duo me a mail if you need
> help. First objective is a draft proposal.
>
> Ross
>
> From a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness
> On Aug 2, 2012 4:59 PM, "Gord Tanner" <go...@tinyhippos.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow!
> >
> > That would be amazing Jukka :)
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2012, Ross Gardler wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 30 July 2012 22:18, Gord Tanner <gord@tinyhippos.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >  Our main goal for Ripple being in the ASF is to try to build
> > community
> > > > > around it and get the cordova / mobile web app developer bases
> behind
> > > it
> > > > > and able to contribute to it without the "This belongs to RIM"
> > mindset
> > > we
> > > > > are getting now.
> > > >
> > > > That's a very good start ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > The broader community goal is best served by being a separate podling.
> > > > The narrower Cordova goal might be better served by being a
> > > > sub-project and, as Jukka said, you can always spin-out of Cordova as
> > > > a TLP later.
> > >
> > >
> > > Or vice versa, if Ripple on its own doesn't end up attracting a
> community
> > > beyond that of Cordova, it's also possible to "spin-in" later to a
> > Cordova
> > > subproject.
> > >
> > > Based on the discussion so far it sounds like Ripple has the makings
> of a
> > > great Apache project also on its own, especially with co-operation and
> > some
> > > committer overlap with Cordova.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > This may be getting off topic now for the cordova mailing lists so
> > who
> > > > do I
> > > > > talk to from ASF to start setting up the donation of Ripple?
> > > >
> > > > First off you need a Champion. Their role is to help guide you
> through
> > > > the proposal process which is described at [1]. The role of champion
> > > > is defined at [2]
> > >
> > >
> > > You'll also need some Apache mentors to help once you get started. I'd
> be
> > > happy to volunteer.
> > >
> > > BR,
> > >
> > > Jukka Zitting
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gord
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Ross Gardler
> > > > > <rg...@opendirective.com>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On 30 July 2012 16:56, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> > If Ripple was donated as a standalone project, then a shared
> > > > >> > general@mailing-list between Cordova and Ripple would be very
> > nice.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> IMHO such lists don't (often) make sense. Jukka made the
> suggestion
> > > > >> using Hadoop as an example of a consortium of projects. However,
> > there
> > > > >> is (to my knowledge - Jukka will correct me if I'm wrong) no such
> > list
> > > > >> for Hadoop.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What topics would need to be discussed on a general mailing list
> > > > >> between the two projects which could not be adequately carried out
> > on
> > > > >> the more focused project list?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Unless there is a very surprising answer to the above question,
> the
> > > > >> way I see it the options are...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>   - Ripple as a sub-project of Cordova with all development on
> > > > >> cordova-dev (potential for too much non-cordova discussion) -
> > example
> > > > >> lucene and friends
> > > > >>
> > > > >>   - Ripple as a new podling with all development on ripple-dev and
> > > > >> cordova-dev (interested cordova and ripple devs cross-subscribe) -
> > > > >> example hadoop and friends
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Remember, this is only my opinion based on my observations of what
> > > > >> works in the ASF today - the ASF is a flexible place. Changes to
> old
> > > > >> approaches can be adopted when good reason to do so is presented.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ross
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Ross Gardler <
> > > > >> rgardler@opendirective.com>wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> On 30 July 2012 15:06, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> >> > Hi,
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:18 PM,  <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> I sometimes see cordova not as a specific platform (or set
> of
> > > > APIs)
> > > > >> but
> > > > >> >> as a leader
> > > > >> >> >> in the open mobile web.  If we are able to step away from
> the
> > > > idea of
> > > > >> >> cordova being
> > > > >> >> >> a singular platform but the bleeding edge of mobile web r &
> d
> > it
> > > > >> makes
> > > > >> >> sense to
> > > > >> >> >> have ripple be a part of that.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > A good example of how such a vision is being realized at the
> > ASF
> > > is
> > > > >> >> > the Hadoop project that has given birth to a growing
> ecosystem
> > of
> > > > >> >> > related cloud and big data projects at and around the ASF.
> > > Instead
> > > > of
> > > > >> >> > Hadoop hosting related projects like HBase, Pig, ZooKeeper,
> > etc.
> > > as
> > > > >> >> > subprojects under a single PMC, it simply acts as a central
> > focus
> > > > >> >> > point for a larger cluster of projects.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > I'd love to see Cordova increasingly position itself as such
> a
> > > > focus
> > > > >> >> > point for mobile web projects both within and outside the
> ASF.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> +1
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> > One
> > > > >> >> > concrete idea towards such a goal could be to start a
> > > > general@mailing
> > > > >> >> > list as a shared forum like the one Hadoop has for
> discussions
> > > that
> > > > >> >> > reach beyond the boundaries of individual projects or
> > codebases.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I'm not sure we're ready for that yet. What other projects
> would
> > be
> > > > >> >> interested in this?
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Possibly Wookie (W3C Widget engine), others?
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Ross
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> --
> > > > >> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> > > > >> >> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> > > > >> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Ross Gardler (@rg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jukka Zitting
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gord Tanner
> > Senior Developer / Code Poet
> > tinyHippos Inc.
> > @tinyhippos
> >
>



-- 
Dan Silivestru
+1 (519) 589-3624

Re: DISCUSS: Ripple as a sub-project of Cordova

[Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>]

I'm happy to champion too, if that would be acceptable to you. I don't have
the cycles to mentor, but I'd I help hey you into the incubator that will
free Jukka to focus on getting Cordova through the final steps while I
focus on helping you with your proposal.

Have a read through the resources I sent you and duo me a mail if you need
help. First objective is a draft proposal.

Ross

>From a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness
On Aug 2, 2012 4:59 PM, "Gord Tanner" <go...@tinyhippos.com> wrote:

> Wow!
>
> That would be amazing Jukka :)
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tuesday, July 31, 2012, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >
> > > On 30 July 2012 22:18, Gord Tanner <gord@tinyhippos.com<javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >  Our main goal for Ripple being in the ASF is to try to build
> community
> > > > around it and get the cordova / mobile web app developer bases behind
> > it
> > > > and able to contribute to it without the "This belongs to RIM"
> mindset
> > we
> > > > are getting now.
> > >
> > > That's a very good start ;-)
> >
> >
> > +1
> >
> > The broader community goal is best served by being a separate podling.
> > > The narrower Cordova goal might be better served by being a
> > > sub-project and, as Jukka said, you can always spin-out of Cordova as
> > > a TLP later.
> >
> >
> > Or vice versa, if Ripple on its own doesn't end up attracting a community
> > beyond that of Cordova, it's also possible to "spin-in" later to a
> Cordova
> > subproject.
> >
> > Based on the discussion so far it sounds like Ripple has the makings of a
> > great Apache project also on its own, especially with co-operation and
> some
> > committer overlap with Cordova.
> >
> >
> > > > This may be getting off topic now for the cordova mailing lists so
> who
> > > do I
> > > > talk to from ASF to start setting up the donation of Ripple?
> > >
> > > First off you need a Champion. Their role is to help guide you through
> > > the proposal process which is described at [1]. The role of champion
> > > is defined at [2]
> >
> >
> > You'll also need some Apache mentors to help once you get started. I'd be
> > happy to volunteer.
> >
> > BR,
> >
> > Jukka Zitting
> >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Gord
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Ross Gardler
> > > > <rg...@opendirective.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On 30 July 2012 16:56, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
> > wrote:
> > > >> > If Ripple was donated as a standalone project, then a shared
> > > >> > general@mailing-list between Cordova and Ripple would be very
> nice.
> > > >>
> > > >> IMHO such lists don't (often) make sense. Jukka made the suggestion
> > > >> using Hadoop as an example of a consortium of projects. However,
> there
> > > >> is (to my knowledge - Jukka will correct me if I'm wrong) no such
> list
> > > >> for Hadoop.
> > > >>
> > > >> What topics would need to be discussed on a general mailing list
> > > >> between the two projects which could not be adequately carried out
> on
> > > >> the more focused project list?
> > > >>
> > > >> Unless there is a very surprising answer to the above question, the
> > > >> way I see it the options are...
> > > >>
> > > >>   - Ripple as a sub-project of Cordova with all development on
> > > >> cordova-dev (potential for too much non-cordova discussion) -
> example
> > > >> lucene and friends
> > > >>
> > > >>   - Ripple as a new podling with all development on ripple-dev and
> > > >> cordova-dev (interested cordova and ripple devs cross-subscribe) -
> > > >> example hadoop and friends
> > > >>
> > > >> Remember, this is only my opinion based on my observations of what
> > > >> works in the ASF today - the ASF is a flexible place. Changes to old
> > > >> approaches can be adopted when good reason to do so is presented.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ross
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Ross Gardler <
> > > >> rgardler@opendirective.com>wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> On 30 July 2012 15:06, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >> > Hi,
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:18 PM,  <gt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> I sometimes see cordova not as a specific platform (or set of
> > > APIs)
> > > >> but
> > > >> >> as a leader
> > > >> >> >> in the open mobile web.  If we are able to step away from the
> > > idea of
> > > >> >> cordova being
> > > >> >> >> a singular platform but the bleeding edge of mobile web r & d
> it
> > > >> makes
> > > >> >> sense to
> > > >> >> >> have ripple be a part of that.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > A good example of how such a vision is being realized at the
> ASF
> > is
> > > >> >> > the Hadoop project that has given birth to a growing ecosystem
> of
> > > >> >> > related cloud and big data projects at and around the ASF.
> > Instead
> > > of
> > > >> >> > Hadoop hosting related projects like HBase, Pig, ZooKeeper,
> etc.
> > as
> > > >> >> > subprojects under a single PMC, it simply acts as a central
> focus
> > > >> >> > point for a larger cluster of projects.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > I'd love to see Cordova increasingly position itself as such a
> > > focus
> > > >> >> > point for mobile web projects both within and outside the ASF.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> +1
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > One
> > > >> >> > concrete idea towards such a goal could be to start a
> > > general@mailing
> > > >> >> > list as a shared forum like the one Hadoop has for discussions
> > that
> > > >> >> > reach beyond the boundaries of individual projects or
> codebases.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I'm not sure we're ready for that yet. What other projects would
> be
> > > >> >> interested in this?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Possibly Wookie (W3C Widget engine), others?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Ross
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> --
> > > >> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> > > >> >> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> > > >> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Ross Gardler (@rg
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jukka Zitting
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Gord Tanner
> Senior Developer / Code Poet
> tinyHippos Inc.
> @tinyhippos
>