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[Bug 122233] New: sourceforge.net: download file name column of
directory too narrow
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122233
Bug ID: 122233
Issue Type: DEFECT
Summary: sourceforge.net: download file name column of
directory too narrow
Classification: Infrastructure
Product: Infrastructure
Version: current
Hardware: All
URL: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/f
iles/stable/3.4.1/
OS: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
Severity: normal
Priority: P3
Component: Downloads
Assignee: issues@openoffice.apache.org
Reporter: rainerbielefeld_ooo_qa@bielefeldundbuss.de
CC: issues@openoffice.apache.org
Created attachment 80641
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Screenshot
The styling of the directory is very inexpedient:
a) half of the screen width is wasted for empty grey areas at the left and the
right
b) advertisement (Latest tech jobs) has more column width than file names
this might not affect most normal users, but for QA staff finding the required
file is a pain.
Yes, that's a general Sourcforge website problem (and a fad on many other
websites), but the AOO project should have some influence there. And if they do
not see a possibility to offer a useful design AOO should find a better
solution.
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[Bug 122233] sourceforge.net: download file name column of directory
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Posted by bu...@apache.org.
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--- Comment #8 from Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
> What we might do quickly is a mouse-over effect, so that when the mouse
> rolls over the filename, the UI expands it in some way to reveal the full
> name.
@Roberto Galoppini:
Thank you for feedback! I am not sure whether I understand your suggestion. Are
we talking about some kind of tooltipp (it seems that changed since I submitted
this report)? I'm afraid that will not help very much. To decide what will be
required a human being will want to see the complete list with all relevant
info, not to read the file names one by one with mouseover.
But of course a clear, simple, readable tooltip can be an improvement, at least
with my Seamonkey the result I saw yesterday was much worse than that what I
see today.
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Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de> changed:
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Status|CLOSED |REOPENED
CC| |rainerbielefeld_ooo_qa@biel
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Resolution|FIXED |---
--- Comment #20 from Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
If you think those downloads are not for normal final users, drop all that
statistics fripperies and show a normal list like
<ftp://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/openoffice-archive/localized/de/3.2.0/> or
so.
<http://www.eu.apache.org/dist/openoffice/> is not an alternative if you are
searching for older versions.
Please excuse me for the rude comment, but the current solution is a horrible
mess.
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--- Comment #21 from Marcus <ma...@apache.org> ---
@Rainer:
If you want to get older release, please go to our starting webpage for
archived builds:
http://www.openoffice.org/download/archive.html
It is not intended that end-users start at Sorceforge.
Therefore I think it's OK to leave it as it is.
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Marcus <ma...@apache.org> changed:
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Status|CLOSED |REOPENED
CC|marcus@apache.org |
Resolution|NOTABUG |---
Assignee|issues@openoffice.apache.or |rgaloppini@geek.net
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Ever confirmed|0 |1
--- Comment #4 from Marcus <ma...@apache.org> ---
I've mentioned it as I thought you know Roberto already. That was the reason
for the short hint. OK, it doesn't seem so. BTW: No need to write half a book
of comments. ;-)
The filenames in release files are a new topic.
I'll set Roberto as assignee. Let's see if he can help.
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--- Comment #14 from Marcus <ma...@apache.org> ---
@Roberto: I doubt that this will help as the normal user has not the special
view like the admins. If we want to position this webpage as a kind of last
resort for the user to choose their favorite build (when every download
scripting fails), then everybody should be able to read the complete filenames.
And at the moment IMHO it is indeed better than the Apache mirror system.
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--- Comment #9 from Roberto Galoppini <rg...@geek.net> ---
Yea, a tooltip like kind of thing. Think we could do that really quickly, while
redesigning the whole page would probably take some time.
Did you try to log-in as SourceForge user by any chance?
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--- Comment #13 from Roberto Galoppini <rg...@geek.net> ---
If you're a project admin and you're logged in file names are not cut. If this
is something only AOO folks would need to double check files I believe we could
address the issue by having them as project admins.
Does it make sense?
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--- Comment #17 from Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> ---
Feel free to take this to the dev list again, but in short...
1) I don't see this as relevant to final users: they will never navigate the
SourceForge directory
2) Volunteers (and whoever wants to browse directories) can use our (Apache's)
infrastructure, that now has exactly the same files, plus checksums, and
displays full names: for example, see
http://www.eu.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries/
Unless I'm missing some use cases, I'd say we can live with it.
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--- Comment #11 from Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
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Also problems in info dialog
Currently also the source forge "Info" field has problems with the long AOO
file names (screenshots from Seamonkey browser)
But to say it clearly, I want to retain relevent info in the file names, I
dislike solutions like "jxpiinstall7.exe" where you never know what version
exactly will be installed.
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--- Comment #16 from Marcus <ma...@apache.org> ---
@Roberto: Sure, feel free to bring it back to the dev@ mailing list.
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--- Comment #22 from Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
Hi Marcus:
I know that mirror here in my hometown, during OOo@sun I was involved (a
little) in keeping it running.
End-user argument: Of course I know the trick with "Styles = none" in browser,
and may be not too many users get astray to there. It's a matter of pride.
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--- Comment #3 from Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
And by the way, if AOO uses a download platform with file name columns too
narrow for the file names, someone might want to think about shorter filenames
("Apache OpenOffice" already is the heading of the page, may be
"AOO_4.0.0...would be sufficient?) or filenames showing the distinguishing part
at the beginning of the name, or, or, or.
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--- Comment #1 from Marcus <ma...@apache.org> ---
@Rainer:
This is not fixable from the Apache side. Please contact Roberto from
Sourceforge.net at the dev@ malining list. Thanks.
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--- Comment #2 from Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
@Marcus:
Thank you for feedback.
Unfortunately I will not do that "contact Roberto", that's not my turf. I
report bugs "Somehow related to AOO" in Bugzilla, and that's the only
discussion platform I will use, except I explicitly have agreed. I am not
involved anywhere in Apache organization (although i am rather busy in
Bugzilla), and (like most other "only users") I will not subscribe additional
lists, search around for mail addresses or similar.
It's discouraging for users to get advice like Comment 1 from
someone@apache.org. If you know who can help, why don't you contact Roberto? I
don't know him.
It's like in a restaurant, I am not interested in details how the workflow in
the restaurant is organized an at what waiter's table I sit, I don't want to
get waiter Roberto's phone number to ask him why he is not at work today, I
simply want to order my steak within acceptable time.
And because I see evidence that from time to time someone will wait for a
waiter in vain in AOO Bugzilla I submitted "Bug 122803 - Make sure that
developers read Bug reports related to their field of activity"
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--- Comment #19 from Roberto Galoppini <rg...@geek.net> ---
As per my previous message I'm closing the ticket because it's not relevant to
en-users - as per @Andrea feedback, and AOO volunteers as admins of the AOO
mirror at SourceForge can get access to those pages with no displayed ads.
If you need to be an admin of the AOO mirror feel free to contact me or other
admins (e.g. @Marcus).
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--- Comment #18 from Roberto Galoppini <rg...@geek.net> ---
Thanks @Andrea for the further clarifications. It seems to me all the people
interested in the subject are following this issue, I'll wait +72 hrs and
lazy-consensus-wise I'll close the ticket if none objects.
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--- Comment #5 from Marcus <ma...@apache.org> ---
@Roberto:
Please can you take over this issue? Thanks.
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--- Comment #6 from sebb@apache.org ---
There's a related issue - some of the file sizes are wrong as well.
For example, Apache_OpenOffice_4.0.0_Win_x86_install_en-GB.exe shows as 129 MB
(136,201,626 bytes) on Windows XP.
However on the SF download page e.g. [1] it shows as 136.2 MB.
Looks as though the size was divided by 1000 rather than the usual 1024.
[1]
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.0/binaries/en-GB/
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--- Comment #15 from Roberto Galoppini <rg...@geek.net> ---
@Marcus I see Andrea has a different take on the subject, in his opinion that
is not a resource aimed at end-users. Maybe we can discuss this further on the
dev mailing-list?
Note that also Rainer's initial comment seems to be aimed at QA people.
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--- Comment #7 from Roberto Galoppini <rg...@geek.net> ---
Those are two separate issues actually.
Issue #1 (opened by @rainer )
When logged in there are no no ads and there is plenty of room. When not (with
ads), the Ad reduces the canvas by about 1/3, which is only enough room to
display about half of the particularly long filenames. In that instance, no
amount of tinkering with other column widths will free up enough space to make
the full name visible.
What we might do quickly is a mouse-over effect, so that when the mouse rolls
over the filename, the UI expands it in some way to reveal the full name.
Would that work for you?
Issue #2 (opened by @sebb )
Thanks for heads up on that, it's scheduled for the next sprint, check it out
at SourceForge ticket system: https://sourceforge.net/p/allura/tickets/6524/
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--- Comment #10 from sebb@apache.org ---
(In reply to Rainer Bielefeld from comment #8)
> > What we might do quickly is a mouse-over effect, so that when the mouse
> > rolls over the filename, the UI expands it in some way to reveal the full
> > name.
>
> @Roberto Galoppini:
> Thank you for feedback! I am not sure whether I understand your suggestion.
> Are we talking about some kind of tooltipp (it seems that changed since I
> submitted this report)? I'm afraid that will not help very much. To decide
> what will be required a human being will want to see the complete list with
> all relevant info, not to read the file names one by one with mouseover.
I agree.
The tooltip is only marginally useful - the same info was previously available
by clicking on the (I) button, although that also suffers from lack of space
for the full file name, which wraps. And in Firefox at least, the full URL
appears at the bottom of the page when hovering over the link.
However neither is particularly convenient when looking for the correct file to
download.
Just discovered that the full file name is shown in Chrome and Opera if
Javascript is turned off. So clearly it's possible.
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--- Comment #12 from Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> ---
I confirm that file names in
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.0/binaries/it/
are cut, but I don't see this issue as much relevant: final users are not
supposed to use those links, and those very few people who really need an
FTP-like access can use the Apache mirrors: I think the work is still ongoing
(you only see checksums at the moment), but Infra is going to provide a
fallback at http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries/ or
http://www.apache.org/mirrors/ooo.html (ask the dev list if you need more
information about this).
Roberto: I tried your suggestion to log in at SourceForge; if I open
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.0/binaries/it/
indeed the ads disappear, but the "Latest Tech Jobs" box is still shown (in my
case) and it is still in the way, so logging in does not completely solve the
problem, unless I'm missing some options in the profile configuration.
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--- Comment #23 from Marcus <ma...@apache.org> ---
@Rainer: We at AOO cannot change this. Please get in contact with Roberto from
Soureforge. He is the only one who (may) can help you.
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