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Posted to dev@cordova.apache.org by Andrew Grieve <ag...@google.com> on 2014/04/22 20:40:14 UTC
ios-deploy vs libimobiledevice
Shaz, wondering if you looked into using libimobiledevice instead of
ios-deploy. Seems like it's much more capable, works on Linux, and
well-maintained.
http://www.libimobiledevice.org/
There are "idevice*" commands that match ios-deploy:
`idevice_id -l` to list attached devices
`ideviceinstaller` to install/uninstall/list apps
`ideviceimagemounter` to mount the dev image
`idevice-app-runner` to launch an app
`idevicedebugserverproxy` to debug via lldb
plus commands to:
`ideviceinfo` to get device info
`idevicefs` to list/copy files to/from devices
`idevicesyslog` to tail the syslog
... etc ...
Only downside I can see is that for OSX, installing is a bit of a
pain. There's a brew package for ideviceinstaller, but not the other
tools. This random page worked for me:
https://github.com/bitbar/libimobiledevice-binaries, but we might want
something better...
Re: ios-deploy vs libimobiledevice
Posted by Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io>.
+1 to npm package. Homebrew is a barrier to many. (Would it not make sense
to make ios-sim / ios-deploy deps of the CLI itself so no extra install
needed too.)
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm all for changing tools to something more reliable and more
> cross-platform.
> Thinking about the common user, not a dev -- we could fork just to package
> it as a npm module mainly for users to easily install it (since we require
> npm anyway) that way they can avoid another dependency.
>
> Not sure if this extra effort to npm package is worth it, if users want
> this feature installing homebrew wouldn't be too much of a hassle, but it
> may be a barrier for some.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@google.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Shaz, wondering if you looked into using libimobiledevice instead of
> > ios-deploy. Seems like it's much more capable, works on Linux, and
> > well-maintained.
> >
> > http://www.libimobiledevice.org/
> >
> > There are "idevice*" commands that match ios-deploy:
> >
> > `idevice_id -l` to list attached devices
> > `ideviceinstaller` to install/uninstall/list apps
> > `ideviceimagemounter` to mount the dev image
> > `idevice-app-runner` to launch an app
> > `idevicedebugserverproxy` to debug via lldb
> >
> > plus commands to:
> >
> > `ideviceinfo` to get device info
> > `idevicefs` to list/copy files to/from devices
> > `idevicesyslog` to tail the syslog
> > ... etc ...
> >
> > Only downside I can see is that for OSX, installing is a bit of a
> > pain. There's a brew package for ideviceinstaller, but not the other
> > tools. This random page worked for me:
> > https://github.com/bitbar/libimobiledevice-binaries, but we might want
> > something better...
> >
>
Re: ios-deploy vs libimobiledevice
Posted by Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>.
+1 same a Brian, adding Homebrew is a barrier to some.
we already requried npm git, lets not add, lets remove like we are doing
with "git" by using npm for acquiring the platforms.
And yes I have seen ios-deploy get more stable, and thanks to Shaz and
others.
Be worth looking into adopting ios-deploy as a first class citizen under
Cordova project, and/or looking why libimobiledevice is more stable and
learning from approach to implementation to make iso-deploy more stable.
--Carlos
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> I can't say I've had much trouble with ios-deploy except always forgetting
> to install it on a fresh machine. Again, would be good to land that as a
> dep in the CLI directly. (Or in the platform package.json when we start
> using npm for that.)
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@chromium.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Agreed. The advantage though, is that ios-deploy is a bit flakey
> > (although *much* better than it used to be thanks to Shaz). Perhaps
> > what we could do is have our scripts work with either one.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> > > So, again, totally cool getting a 'better' solution in there BUT adding
> > 10
> > > mins to the install and requiring homebrew is a blocker. This needs to
> be
> > > less steps not more. Linux is a neat trick though you get that with the
> > app
> > > harness family so I'm not feeling its worth the cost to install.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@google.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thanks Darryl, confirmed that brew install libimobiledevice gives us
> > >> all we need. It took ~10 minutes to do its thing though. Still, might
> > >> be fine as a one-time step.
> > >>
> > >> For Ubuntu, most commands are available through apt-get, but not all
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > I'm all for changing tools to something more reliable and more
> > >> > cross-platform.
> > >> > Thinking about the common user, not a dev -- we could fork just to
> > >> package
> > >> > it as a npm module mainly for users to easily install it (since we
> > >> require
> > >> > npm anyway) that way they can avoid another dependency.
> > >> >
> > >> > Not sure if this extra effort to npm package is worth it, if users
> > want
> > >> this
> > >> > feature installing homebrew wouldn't be too much of a hassle, but it
> > may
> > >> be
> > >> > a barrier for some.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@google.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Shaz, wondering if you looked into using libimobiledevice instead
> of
> > >> >> ios-deploy. Seems like it's much more capable, works on Linux, and
> > >> >> well-maintained.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> http://www.libimobiledevice.org/
> > >> >>
> > >> >> There are "idevice*" commands that match ios-deploy:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> `idevice_id -l` to list attached devices
> > >> >> `ideviceinstaller` to install/uninstall/list apps
> > >> >> `ideviceimagemounter` to mount the dev image
> > >> >> `idevice-app-runner` to launch an app
> > >> >> `idevicedebugserverproxy` to debug via lldb
> > >> >>
> > >> >> plus commands to:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> `ideviceinfo` to get device info
> > >> >> `idevicefs` to list/copy files to/from devices
> > >> >> `idevicesyslog` to tail the syslog
> > >> >> ... etc ...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Only downside I can see is that for OSX, installing is a bit of a
> > >> >> pain. There's a brew package for ideviceinstaller, but not the
> other
> > >> >> tools. This random page worked for me:
> > >> >> https://github.com/bitbar/libimobiledevice-binaries, but we might
> > want
> > >> >> something better...
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
>
--
Carlos Santana
<cs...@gmail.com>
Re: ios-deploy vs libimobiledevice
Posted by Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io>.
I can't say I've had much trouble with ios-deploy except always forgetting
to install it on a fresh machine. Again, would be good to land that as a
dep in the CLI directly. (Or in the platform package.json when we start
using npm for that.)
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@chromium.org> wrote:
> Agreed. The advantage though, is that ios-deploy is a bit flakey
> (although *much* better than it used to be thanks to Shaz). Perhaps
> what we could do is have our scripts work with either one.
>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> > So, again, totally cool getting a 'better' solution in there BUT adding
> 10
> > mins to the install and requiring homebrew is a blocker. This needs to be
> > less steps not more. Linux is a neat trick though you get that with the
> app
> > harness family so I'm not feeling its worth the cost to install.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@google.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Darryl, confirmed that brew install libimobiledevice gives us
> >> all we need. It took ~10 minutes to do its thing though. Still, might
> >> be fine as a one-time step.
> >>
> >> For Ubuntu, most commands are available through apt-get, but not all
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I'm all for changing tools to something more reliable and more
> >> > cross-platform.
> >> > Thinking about the common user, not a dev -- we could fork just to
> >> package
> >> > it as a npm module mainly for users to easily install it (since we
> >> require
> >> > npm anyway) that way they can avoid another dependency.
> >> >
> >> > Not sure if this extra effort to npm package is worth it, if users
> want
> >> this
> >> > feature installing homebrew wouldn't be too much of a hassle, but it
> may
> >> be
> >> > a barrier for some.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@google.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Shaz, wondering if you looked into using libimobiledevice instead of
> >> >> ios-deploy. Seems like it's much more capable, works on Linux, and
> >> >> well-maintained.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.libimobiledevice.org/
> >> >>
> >> >> There are "idevice*" commands that match ios-deploy:
> >> >>
> >> >> `idevice_id -l` to list attached devices
> >> >> `ideviceinstaller` to install/uninstall/list apps
> >> >> `ideviceimagemounter` to mount the dev image
> >> >> `idevice-app-runner` to launch an app
> >> >> `idevicedebugserverproxy` to debug via lldb
> >> >>
> >> >> plus commands to:
> >> >>
> >> >> `ideviceinfo` to get device info
> >> >> `idevicefs` to list/copy files to/from devices
> >> >> `idevicesyslog` to tail the syslog
> >> >> ... etc ...
> >> >>
> >> >> Only downside I can see is that for OSX, installing is a bit of a
> >> >> pain. There's a brew package for ideviceinstaller, but not the other
> >> >> tools. This random page worked for me:
> >> >> https://github.com/bitbar/libimobiledevice-binaries, but we might
> want
> >> >> something better...
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
>
Re: ios-deploy vs libimobiledevice
Posted by Andrew Grieve <ag...@chromium.org>.
Agreed. The advantage though, is that ios-deploy is a bit flakey
(although *much* better than it used to be thanks to Shaz). Perhaps
what we could do is have our scripts work with either one.
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> So, again, totally cool getting a 'better' solution in there BUT adding 10
> mins to the install and requiring homebrew is a blocker. This needs to be
> less steps not more. Linux is a neat trick though you get that with the app
> harness family so I'm not feeling its worth the cost to install.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@google.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Darryl, confirmed that brew install libimobiledevice gives us
>> all we need. It took ~10 minutes to do its thing though. Still, might
>> be fine as a one-time step.
>>
>> For Ubuntu, most commands are available through apt-get, but not all
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'm all for changing tools to something more reliable and more
>> > cross-platform.
>> > Thinking about the common user, not a dev -- we could fork just to
>> package
>> > it as a npm module mainly for users to easily install it (since we
>> require
>> > npm anyway) that way they can avoid another dependency.
>> >
>> > Not sure if this extra effort to npm package is worth it, if users want
>> this
>> > feature installing homebrew wouldn't be too much of a hassle, but it may
>> be
>> > a barrier for some.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@google.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Shaz, wondering if you looked into using libimobiledevice instead of
>> >> ios-deploy. Seems like it's much more capable, works on Linux, and
>> >> well-maintained.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.libimobiledevice.org/
>> >>
>> >> There are "idevice*" commands that match ios-deploy:
>> >>
>> >> `idevice_id -l` to list attached devices
>> >> `ideviceinstaller` to install/uninstall/list apps
>> >> `ideviceimagemounter` to mount the dev image
>> >> `idevice-app-runner` to launch an app
>> >> `idevicedebugserverproxy` to debug via lldb
>> >>
>> >> plus commands to:
>> >>
>> >> `ideviceinfo` to get device info
>> >> `idevicefs` to list/copy files to/from devices
>> >> `idevicesyslog` to tail the syslog
>> >> ... etc ...
>> >>
>> >> Only downside I can see is that for OSX, installing is a bit of a
>> >> pain. There's a brew package for ideviceinstaller, but not the other
>> >> tools. This random page worked for me:
>> >> https://github.com/bitbar/libimobiledevice-binaries, but we might want
>> >> something better...
>> >
>> >
>>
Re: ios-deploy vs libimobiledevice
Posted by Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io>.
So, again, totally cool getting a 'better' solution in there BUT adding 10
mins to the install and requiring homebrew is a blocker. This needs to be
less steps not more. Linux is a neat trick though you get that with the app
harness family so I'm not feeling its worth the cost to install.
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@google.com> wrote:
> Thanks Darryl, confirmed that brew install libimobiledevice gives us
> all we need. It took ~10 minutes to do its thing though. Still, might
> be fine as a one-time step.
>
> For Ubuntu, most commands are available through apt-get, but not all
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm all for changing tools to something more reliable and more
> > cross-platform.
> > Thinking about the common user, not a dev -- we could fork just to
> package
> > it as a npm module mainly for users to easily install it (since we
> require
> > npm anyway) that way they can avoid another dependency.
> >
> > Not sure if this extra effort to npm package is worth it, if users want
> this
> > feature installing homebrew wouldn't be too much of a hassle, but it may
> be
> > a barrier for some.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@google.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Shaz, wondering if you looked into using libimobiledevice instead of
> >> ios-deploy. Seems like it's much more capable, works on Linux, and
> >> well-maintained.
> >>
> >> http://www.libimobiledevice.org/
> >>
> >> There are "idevice*" commands that match ios-deploy:
> >>
> >> `idevice_id -l` to list attached devices
> >> `ideviceinstaller` to install/uninstall/list apps
> >> `ideviceimagemounter` to mount the dev image
> >> `idevice-app-runner` to launch an app
> >> `idevicedebugserverproxy` to debug via lldb
> >>
> >> plus commands to:
> >>
> >> `ideviceinfo` to get device info
> >> `idevicefs` to list/copy files to/from devices
> >> `idevicesyslog` to tail the syslog
> >> ... etc ...
> >>
> >> Only downside I can see is that for OSX, installing is a bit of a
> >> pain. There's a brew package for ideviceinstaller, but not the other
> >> tools. This random page worked for me:
> >> https://github.com/bitbar/libimobiledevice-binaries, but we might want
> >> something better...
> >
> >
>
Re: ios-deploy vs libimobiledevice
Posted by Andrew Grieve <ag...@google.com>.
Thanks Darryl, confirmed that brew install libimobiledevice gives us
all we need. It took ~10 minutes to do its thing though. Still, might
be fine as a one-time step.
For Ubuntu, most commands are available through apt-get, but not all
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm all for changing tools to something more reliable and more
> cross-platform.
> Thinking about the common user, not a dev -- we could fork just to package
> it as a npm module mainly for users to easily install it (since we require
> npm anyway) that way they can avoid another dependency.
>
> Not sure if this extra effort to npm package is worth it, if users want this
> feature installing homebrew wouldn't be too much of a hassle, but it may be
> a barrier for some.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@google.com> wrote:
>>
>> Shaz, wondering if you looked into using libimobiledevice instead of
>> ios-deploy. Seems like it's much more capable, works on Linux, and
>> well-maintained.
>>
>> http://www.libimobiledevice.org/
>>
>> There are "idevice*" commands that match ios-deploy:
>>
>> `idevice_id -l` to list attached devices
>> `ideviceinstaller` to install/uninstall/list apps
>> `ideviceimagemounter` to mount the dev image
>> `idevice-app-runner` to launch an app
>> `idevicedebugserverproxy` to debug via lldb
>>
>> plus commands to:
>>
>> `ideviceinfo` to get device info
>> `idevicefs` to list/copy files to/from devices
>> `idevicesyslog` to tail the syslog
>> ... etc ...
>>
>> Only downside I can see is that for OSX, installing is a bit of a
>> pain. There's a brew package for ideviceinstaller, but not the other
>> tools. This random page worked for me:
>> https://github.com/bitbar/libimobiledevice-binaries, but we might want
>> something better...
>
>
Re: ios-deploy vs libimobiledevice
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
I'm all for changing tools to something more reliable and more
cross-platform.
Thinking about the common user, not a dev -- we could fork just to package
it as a npm module mainly for users to easily install it (since we require
npm anyway) that way they can avoid another dependency.
Not sure if this extra effort to npm package is worth it, if users want
this feature installing homebrew wouldn't be too much of a hassle, but it
may be a barrier for some.
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Andrew Grieve <ag...@google.com> wrote:
> Shaz, wondering if you looked into using libimobiledevice instead of
> ios-deploy. Seems like it's much more capable, works on Linux, and
> well-maintained.
>
> http://www.libimobiledevice.org/
>
> There are "idevice*" commands that match ios-deploy:
>
> `idevice_id -l` to list attached devices
> `ideviceinstaller` to install/uninstall/list apps
> `ideviceimagemounter` to mount the dev image
> `idevice-app-runner` to launch an app
> `idevicedebugserverproxy` to debug via lldb
>
> plus commands to:
>
> `ideviceinfo` to get device info
> `idevicefs` to list/copy files to/from devices
> `idevicesyslog` to tail the syslog
> ... etc ...
>
> Only downside I can see is that for OSX, installing is a bit of a
> pain. There's a brew package for ideviceinstaller, but not the other
> tools. This random page worked for me:
> https://github.com/bitbar/libimobiledevice-binaries, but we might want
> something better...
>
Re: ios-deploy vs libimobiledevice
Posted by Darryl Pogue <dv...@gmail.com>.
On 22 April 2014 11:40, Andrew Grieve <ag...@google.com> wrote:
>
> Only downside I can see is that for OSX, installing is a bit of a
> pain. There's a brew package for ideviceinstaller, but not the other
> tools. This random page worked for me:
> https://github.com/bitbar/libimobiledevice-binaries, but we might want
> something better...
>
There is a brew formula for libimobiledevice that should get you those
other tools.