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Posted to marketing@cloudstack.apache.org by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> on 2013/05/02 18:50:56 UTC
Weekly News Items?
Hi all,
Just a reminder that you're encouraged to submit news items for the
CloudStack Weekly News, here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+CloudStack+Weekly+News+-+6+May+2013
Also - wondering, what can I do to entice more folks to contribute to
this? I don't see much in the way of participation, so I'm curious if
this is an indication that people don't see the weekly news as a useful
effort, or...?
Best,
jzb
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 05:06:03PM +0000, Giles Sirett wrote:
> Joe
>
> I'd like to add our upcoming CloudStack Bootcamp courses to the news/events. (once Matt has made collab bold)
> However, they are commercial offerings. Is that permissible ?
Please avoid that.
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 12:26:44PM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Chip Childers wrote:
> > IMO, if the costs for attendance were only to cover the cost of doing
> > the training, then I'd be fine. I assume, however, that ShapeBlue is
> > hoping to make a little profit from the training. (If I'm wrong,
> > correct me) While I *love* that it's happening, and I hope that it goes
> > well, and frankly like companies in our ecosystem to be profitable...
> > the project itself should not be endorsing commercial ventures.
> >
> > Comments / flames?
>
> Here's my thoughts:
>
> - Linking to an event in the calendar isn't endorsing so much as
> informing people it's happening.
>
> - Historically, I've put talks, etc., that are tutorials on CloudStack
> in the events section even when they're part of an event that's paid.
> (e.g. OSCON) Those events are also for-profit, and the talks are of
> interest to our community. I see a subtle difference between "this talk
> is happening at OSCON" and "Acme Cloud Company is doing paid training,"
> but both situations are us pointing to a commercial venture.
>
> I am OK with having a line between what's acceptable and not, so long as
> we're consistent and the line is logical. An open registration event for
> training (as opposed to an advertisement for in-house training that's
> not of general interest) seems OK *to me* but I'll go with whatever
> seems to be consensus.
I was stating my personal opinion here... so I'm also OK if we (1)
define how we want to proceed as a project and (2) are consistent in
application (as Joe suggested).
I'm not -1 on this, just -0. Others can feel free to move this forward!
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Chip Childers wrote:
> IMO, if the costs for attendance were only to cover the cost of doing
> the training, then I'd be fine. I assume, however, that ShapeBlue is
> hoping to make a little profit from the training. (If I'm wrong,
> correct me) While I *love* that it's happening, and I hope that it goes
> well, and frankly like companies in our ecosystem to be profitable...
> the project itself should not be endorsing commercial ventures.
>
> Comments / flames?
Here's my thoughts:
- Linking to an event in the calendar isn't endorsing so much as
informing people it's happening.
- Historically, I've put talks, etc., that are tutorials on CloudStack
in the events section even when they're part of an event that's paid.
(e.g. OSCON) Those events are also for-profit, and the talks are of
interest to our community. I see a subtle difference between "this talk
is happening at OSCON" and "Acme Cloud Company is doing paid training,"
but both situations are us pointing to a commercial venture.
I am OK with having a line between what's acceptable and not, so long as
we're consistent and the line is logical. An open registration event for
training (as opposed to an advertisement for in-house training that's
not of general interest) seems OK *to me* but I'll go with whatever
seems to be consensus.
Best,
jzb
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>.
I'm a +1 as well, I added a line for it under upcoming events with a link
back to the site.
Matt
On 5/2/13 11:14 AM, "Giles Sirett" <gi...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>Chip - thanks for that.
>
>+1 on including other announcements that include ACS news.... I am (
>probably like you) in a privileged position in that I know what a lot
>of what is going on in the commercial space around ACS..... I know what
>SatckIQ are up to, I know what Citrix are up to ,I know what the other
>dozens of vendors are up to. There may be many folks in this community
>who are not as aware and may actually find it useful to know what people
>are doing.
>
>I really appreciate that this is getting into a very murky area and will
>have to be carefully watched
>
>Kind Regards
>Giles
>
>D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
>Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
>Sent: 02 May 2013 18:48
>To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Weekly News Items?
>
>On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 05:38:46PM +0000, Giles Sirett wrote:
>> Chip, I've been very clear, this *is* a commercial offering, we will be
>>making money. ShapeBlue makes its money out of services around
>>Cloudstack. This is what we do to feed our kids.
>>
>> These courses have been in development for some time, we have invested
>> time & money in creating a structured course with classroom & online
>>version and also a whole set of hands-on labs. To be frank, I would
>>expect *some* degree of support from the community on this. I'm taking a
>>commercial risk, creating something that that surely can only help ACS
>>long term I have offered/donated 20% of the places on the Santa Clara
>>course to the community free of charge.
>>
>> I am really trying to make sure that we respect the rules &
>>governance of the project (which I have to do carefully as we are a
>>vendor who primarily are about CloudStack). I think we've always
>>managed to do that (if we haven't, I would like to be told).
>>
>>
>> However, if there is a training course being run in our technology ,
>>then people should know about it; and it SHOULD be in a weekly news
>>update IMO.
>> If the course was being run by somebody else, I would say the same
>>thing.; I would want to know about it. We should not refuse to mention
>>it because somebody is making some money out of it.
>>
>>
>> I am not asking for endorsement, I am asking to help communicate
>>something that people may find useful & want to purchase.
>>
>
>I want to be *very* clear that I'm not against community support for what
>you are doing. The specific concern I had was about "endorsement" of a
>commercial "service" and the implication it would have for how we would
>treat commercial "product" announcements.
>
>However, looking back through past discussions on this topic, I believe
>the overriding point is that as long as we are consistent and open about
>inclusion, there are no problems. As stated, this is a pointer to
>something.
>
>In fact, I think that we should consider pointing to product
>announcements that include CloudStack news as well (example: we could
>have pointed to http://www.stackiq.com/products/rocks-cloud/ when it was
>announced).
>
>I'll sit down now... +1 for adding it.
>
>Thanks for being patient as I got through my own muddled thoughts in full
>view of everyone... ;-)
>
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>
RE: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>.
Chip - thanks for that.
+1 on including other announcements that include ACS news.... I am ( probably like you) in a privileged position in that I know what a lot of what is going on in the commercial space around ACS..... I know what SatckIQ are up to, I know what Citrix are up to ,I know what the other dozens of vendors are up to. There may be many folks in this community who are not as aware and may actually find it useful to know what people are doing.
I really appreciate that this is getting into a very murky area and will have to be carefully watched
Kind Regards
Giles
D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
Sent: 02 May 2013 18:48
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Weekly News Items?
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 05:38:46PM +0000, Giles Sirett wrote:
> Chip, I've been very clear, this *is* a commercial offering, we will be making money. ShapeBlue makes its money out of services around Cloudstack. This is what we do to feed our kids.
>
> These courses have been in development for some time, we have invested
> time & money in creating a structured course with classroom & online version and also a whole set of hands-on labs. To be frank, I would expect *some* degree of support from the community on this. I'm taking a commercial risk, creating something that that surely can only help ACS long term I have offered/donated 20% of the places on the Santa Clara course to the community free of charge.
>
> I am really trying to make sure that we respect the rules & governance of the project (which I have to do carefully as we are a vendor who primarily are about CloudStack). I think we've always managed to do that (if we haven't, I would like to be told).
>
>
> However, if there is a training course being run in our technology , then people should know about it; and it SHOULD be in a weekly news update IMO.
> If the course was being run by somebody else, I would say the same thing.; I would want to know about it. We should not refuse to mention it because somebody is making some money out of it.
>
>
> I am not asking for endorsement, I am asking to help communicate something that people may find useful & want to purchase.
>
I want to be *very* clear that I'm not against community support for what you are doing. The specific concern I had was about "endorsement" of a commercial "service" and the implication it would have for how we would treat commercial "product" announcements.
However, looking back through past discussions on this topic, I believe the overriding point is that as long as we are consistent and open about inclusion, there are no problems. As stated, this is a pointer to something.
In fact, I think that we should consider pointing to product announcements that include CloudStack news as well (example: we could have pointed to http://www.stackiq.com/products/rocks-cloud/ when it was announced).
I'll sit down now... +1 for adding it.
Thanks for being patient as I got through my own muddled thoughts in full view of everyone... ;-)
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
RE: Weekly News Items?
Posted by "Kelcey Damage (BT)" <ke...@backbonetechnology.com>.
+1 here!
It's very nice to have news that is not coupled with endorsement.
Thanks
-kd
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
>Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 10:48 AM
>To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Weekly News Items?
>
>On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 05:38:46PM +0000, Giles Sirett wrote:
>> Chip, I've been very clear, this *is* a commercial offering, we will be
making
>money. ShapeBlue makes its money out of services around Cloudstack. This is
>what we do to feed our kids.
>>
>> These courses have been in development for some time, we have invested
>> time & money in creating a structured course with classroom & online
>version and also a whole set of hands-on labs. To be frank, I would expect
>*some* degree of support from the community on this. I'm taking a
>commercial risk, creating something that that surely can only help ACS long
>term I have offered/donated 20% of the places on the Santa Clara course to
>the community free of charge.
>>
>> I am really trying to make sure that we respect the rules & governance
of
>the project (which I have to do carefully as we are a vendor who primarily
are
>about CloudStack). I think we've always managed to do that (if we haven't,
I
>would like to be told).
>>
>>
>> However, if there is a training course being run in our technology , then
>people should know about it; and it SHOULD be in a weekly news update IMO.
>> If the course was being run by somebody else, I would say the same
thing.; I
>would want to know about it. We should not refuse to mention it because
>somebody is making some money out of it.
>>
>>
>> I am not asking for endorsement, I am asking to help communicate
something
>that people may find useful & want to purchase.
>>
>
>I want to be *very* clear that I'm not against community support for what
you
>are doing. The specific concern I had was about "endorsement" of a
>commercial "service" and the implication it would have for how we would
treat
>commercial "product" announcements.
>
>However, looking back through past discussions on this topic, I believe the
>overriding point is that as long as we are consistent and open about
inclusion,
>there are no problems. As stated, this is a pointer to something.
>
>In fact, I think that we should consider pointing to product announcements
that
>include CloudStack news as well (example: we could have pointed to
>http://www.stackiq.com/products/rocks-cloud/ when it was announced).
>
>I'll sit down now... +1 for adding it.
>
>Thanks for being patient as I got through my own muddled thoughts in full
view
>of everyone... ;-)
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 05:38:46PM +0000, Giles Sirett wrote:
> Chip, I've been very clear, this *is* a commercial offering, we will be making money. ShapeBlue makes its money out of services around Cloudstack. This is what we do to feed our kids.
>
> These courses have been in development for some time, we have invested time & money in creating a structured course with classroom & online version and also a whole set of hands-on labs. To be frank, I would expect *some* degree of support from the community on this. I'm taking a commercial risk, creating something that that surely can only help ACS long term
> I have offered/donated 20% of the places on the Santa Clara course to the community free of charge.
>
> I am really trying to make sure that we respect the rules & governance of the project (which I have to do carefully as we are a vendor who primarily are about CloudStack). I think we've always managed to do that (if we haven't, I would like to be told).
>
>
> However, if there is a training course being run in our technology , then people should know about it; and it SHOULD be in a weekly news update IMO.
> If the course was being run by somebody else, I would say the same thing.; I would want to know about it. We should not refuse to mention it because somebody is making some money out of it.
>
>
> I am not asking for endorsement, I am asking to help communicate something that people may find useful & want to purchase.
>
I want to be *very* clear that I'm not against community
support for what you are doing. The specific concern I had was about
"endorsement" of a commercial "service" and the implication it would
have for how we would treat commercial "product" announcements.
However, looking back through past discussions on this topic, I believe
the overriding point is that as long as we are consistent and open about
inclusion, there are no problems. As stated, this is a pointer to
something.
In fact, I think that we should consider pointing to product
announcements that include CloudStack news as well (example: we could
have pointed to http://www.stackiq.com/products/rocks-cloud/ when it was
announced).
I'll sit down now... +1 for adding it.
Thanks for being patient as I got through my own muddled thoughts in
full view of everyone... ;-)
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>.
So, to me honestly this sounds like we should just put this to a vote so
that we have a clear direction going forward?
Matt
On 5/2/13 10:38 AM, "Giles Sirett" <gi...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>Chip, I've been very clear, this *is* a commercial offering, we will be
>making money. ShapeBlue makes its money out of services around
>Cloudstack. This is what we do to feed our kids.
>
>These courses have been in development for some time, we have invested
>time & money in creating a structured course with classroom & online
>version and also a whole set of hands-on labs. To be frank, I would
>expect *some* degree of support from the community on this. I'm taking a
>commercial risk, creating something that that surely can only help ACS
>long term
>I have offered/donated 20% of the places on the Santa Clara course to
>the community free of charge.
>
>I am really trying to make sure that we respect the rules & governance
>of the project (which I have to do carefully as we are a vendor who
>primarily are about CloudStack). I think we've always managed to do that
>(if we haven't, I would like to be told).
>
>
>However, if there is a training course being run in our technology , then
>people should know about it; and it SHOULD be in a weekly news update IMO.
>If the course was being run by somebody else, I would say the same
>thing.; I would want to know about it. We should not refuse to mention
>it because somebody is making some money out of it.
>
>
>I am not asking for endorsement, I am asking to help communicate
>something that people may find useful & want to purchase.
>
>
>Kind Regards
>Giles
>
>D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
>Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
>Sent: 02 May 2013 18:19
>To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Weekly News Items?
>
>On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 12:14:41PM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>> On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Giles Sirett wrote:
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > I'd like to add our upcoming CloudStack Bootcamp courses to the
>> > news/events. (once Matt has made collab bold) However, they are
>> > commercial offerings. Is that permissible ?
>>
>> Maybe? I don't have a strong objection, as long as they're CloudStack
>> specific and they're added with the same format as other events.
>> Anyone else?
>
>IMO, if the costs for attendance were only to cover the cost of doing the
>training, then I'd be fine. I assume, however, that ShapeBlue is hoping
>to make a little profit from the training. (If I'm wrong, correct me)
>While I *love* that it's happening, and I hope that it goes well, and
>frankly like companies in our ecosystem to be profitable...
>the project itself should not be endorsing commercial ventures.
>
>Comments / flames?
>
>-chip
>
>This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
>solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views
>or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not
>necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If
>you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take
>any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please
>contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error.
>Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue
>Services India LLP is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd.
>ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
>
RE: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>.
Chip, I've been very clear, this *is* a commercial offering, we will be making money. ShapeBlue makes its money out of services around Cloudstack. This is what we do to feed our kids.
These courses have been in development for some time, we have invested time & money in creating a structured course with classroom & online version and also a whole set of hands-on labs. To be frank, I would expect *some* degree of support from the community on this. I'm taking a commercial risk, creating something that that surely can only help ACS long term
I have offered/donated 20% of the places on the Santa Clara course to the community free of charge.
I am really trying to make sure that we respect the rules & governance of the project (which I have to do carefully as we are a vendor who primarily are about CloudStack). I think we've always managed to do that (if we haven't, I would like to be told).
However, if there is a training course being run in our technology , then people should know about it; and it SHOULD be in a weekly news update IMO.
If the course was being run by somebody else, I would say the same thing.; I would want to know about it. We should not refuse to mention it because somebody is making some money out of it.
I am not asking for endorsement, I am asking to help communicate something that people may find useful & want to purchase.
Kind Regards
Giles
D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
Sent: 02 May 2013 18:19
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Weekly News Items?
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 12:14:41PM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Giles Sirett wrote:
> > Joe
> >
> > I'd like to add our upcoming CloudStack Bootcamp courses to the
> > news/events. (once Matt has made collab bold) However, they are
> > commercial offerings. Is that permissible ?
>
> Maybe? I don't have a strong objection, as long as they're CloudStack
> specific and they're added with the same format as other events.
> Anyone else?
IMO, if the costs for attendance were only to cover the cost of doing the training, then I'd be fine. I assume, however, that ShapeBlue is hoping to make a little profit from the training. (If I'm wrong, correct me) While I *love* that it's happening, and I hope that it goes well, and frankly like companies in our ecosystem to be profitable...
the project itself should not be endorsing commercial ventures.
Comments / flames?
-chip
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
RE: Weekly News Items?
Posted by "Kelcey Damage (BT)" <ke...@backbonetechnology.com>.
My only real flame is that, from my perspective, the news' sole purpose is
to 'make aware' events relating to CloudStack. The news does not endorse,
only inform.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
>Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 10:19 AM
>To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Weekly News Items?
>
>On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 12:14:41PM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>> On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Giles Sirett wrote:
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > I'd like to add our upcoming CloudStack Bootcamp courses to the
>> > news/events. (once Matt has made collab bold) However, they are
>> > commercial offerings. Is that permissible ?
>>
>> Maybe? I don't have a strong objection, as long as they're CloudStack
>> specific and they're added with the same format as other events.
>> Anyone else?
>
>IMO, if the costs for attendance were only to cover the cost of doing the
>training, then I'd be fine. I assume, however, that ShapeBlue is hoping to
make
>a little profit from the training. (If I'm wrong, correct me) While I
*love* that
>it's happening, and I hope that it goes well, and frankly like companies in
our
>ecosystem to be profitable...
>the project itself should not be endorsing commercial ventures.
>
>Comments / flames?
>
>-chip
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 12:14:41PM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Giles Sirett wrote:
> > Joe
> >
> > I'd like to add our upcoming CloudStack Bootcamp courses to the
> > news/events. (once Matt has made collab bold)
> > However, they are commercial offerings. Is that permissible ?
>
> Maybe? I don't have a strong objection, as long as they're CloudStack
> specific and they're added with the same format as other events. Anyone
> else?
IMO, if the costs for attendance were only to cover the cost of doing
the training, then I'd be fine. I assume, however, that ShapeBlue is
hoping to make a little profit from the training. (If I'm wrong,
correct me) While I *love* that it's happening, and I hope that it goes
well, and frankly like companies in our ecosystem to be profitable...
the project itself should not be endorsing commercial ventures.
Comments / flames?
-chip
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>.
Ok my edits are done. This is my first time, so I probably didn't catch a
ton, but hopeful it's a little more off your load Joe. :-)
Matt
On 5/2/13 10:23 AM, "Kelcey Damage (BT)" <ke...@backbonetechnology.com>
wrote:
>From my understanding, the content is 100% Apache CloudStack focused, but
>simply under the reality that organized training has a cost.
>
>We as a community cannot provide structured, organized training. We don't
>have resources to train/operate/pay an educational staff. The reality is
>once we leave the realm of code, we clearly see that most events and other
>non-code aspects are planned and operated by people who are paid to do so.
>
>I see no conflict of interest in as mentioning a company delivering a pure
>educational service. However this would change if any sort of side-sales
>or
>other service marketing were the intent.
>
>My 2 cents.
>
>-Kelcey
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
>>Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 10:15 AM
>>To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>>Subject: Re: Weekly News Items?
>>
>>On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Giles Sirett wrote:
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> I'd like to add our upcoming CloudStack Bootcamp courses to the
>>> news/events. (once Matt has made collab bold) However, they are
>>> commercial offerings. Is that permissible ?
>>
>>Maybe? I don't have a strong objection, as long as they're CloudStack
>specific
>>and they're added with the same format as other events. Anyone else?
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>jzb
>>--
>>Joe Brockmeier
>>jzb@zonker.net
>>Twitter: @jzb
>>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
RE: Weekly News Items?
Posted by "Kelcey Damage (BT)" <ke...@backbonetechnology.com>.
>From my understanding, the content is 100% Apache CloudStack focused, but
simply under the reality that organized training has a cost.
We as a community cannot provide structured, organized training. We don't
have resources to train/operate/pay an educational staff. The reality is
once we leave the realm of code, we clearly see that most events and other
non-code aspects are planned and operated by people who are paid to do so.
I see no conflict of interest in as mentioning a company delivering a pure
educational service. However this would change if any sort of side-sales or
other service marketing were the intent.
My 2 cents.
-Kelcey
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
>Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 10:15 AM
>To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Weekly News Items?
>
>On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Giles Sirett wrote:
>> Joe
>>
>> I'd like to add our upcoming CloudStack Bootcamp courses to the
>> news/events. (once Matt has made collab bold) However, they are
>> commercial offerings. Is that permissible ?
>
>Maybe? I don't have a strong objection, as long as they're CloudStack
specific
>and they're added with the same format as other events. Anyone else?
>
>Best,
>
>jzb
>--
>Joe Brockmeier
>jzb@zonker.net
>Twitter: @jzb
>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Giles Sirett wrote:
> Joe
>
> I'd like to add our upcoming CloudStack Bootcamp courses to the
> news/events. (once Matt has made collab bold)
> However, they are commercial offerings. Is that permissible ?
Maybe? I don't have a strong objection, as long as they're CloudStack
specific and they're added with the same format as other events. Anyone
else?
Best,
jzb
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>.
Giles,
I was thinking the same thing, but we kinda need a ruling. Technically you
are offering training on CloudStack, but for Profit. I think it's a great
value add to the collaboration conference to those who want it, and we
aren't advocating any of Shapeblues services, just the opportunity to look
at the training specific to CS...
Joe/Chip/PMC folksŠ
Matt
On 5/2/13 10:06 AM, "Giles Sirett" <gi...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>Joe
>
>I'd like to add our upcoming CloudStack Bootcamp courses to the
>news/events. (once Matt has made collab bold)
>However, they are commercial offerings. Is that permissible ?
>
>
>
>Kind Regards
>Giles
>
>D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
>Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
>Sent: 02 May 2013 17:51
>To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Weekly News Items?
>
>Hi all,
>
>Just a reminder that you're encouraged to submit news items for the
>CloudStack Weekly News, here:
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+CloudStack+W
>eekly+News+-+6+May+2013
>
>Also - wondering, what can I do to entice more folks to contribute to
>this? I don't see much in the way of participation, so I'm curious if
>this is an indication that people don't see the weekly news as a useful
>effort, or...?
>
>Best,
>
>jzb
>--
>Joe Brockmeier
>jzb@zonker.net
>Twitter: @jzb
>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
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RE: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>.
Joe
I'd like to add our upcoming CloudStack Bootcamp courses to the news/events. (once Matt has made collab bold)
However, they are commercial offerings. Is that permissible ?
Kind Regards
Giles
D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
Sent: 02 May 2013 17:51
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Weekly News Items?
Hi all,
Just a reminder that you're encouraged to submit news items for the CloudStack Weekly News, here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+CloudStack+Weekly+News+-+6+May+2013
Also - wondering, what can I do to entice more folks to contribute to this? I don't see much in the way of participation, so I'm curious if this is an indication that people don't see the weekly news as a useful effort, or...?
Best,
jzb
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>.
Hey Joe,
Did the news ever go out?
Matt
On 5/2/13 1:21 PM, "Karen Vuong" <ka...@citrix.com> wrote:
>Hi Matt,
>
>Thank you!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Karen
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mathias Mullins [mailto:mathias.mullins@citrix.com]
>Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:13 AM
>To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Weekly News Items?
>
>Karen,
>
>I added the meet up while I was in editing. Since you've been helping me.
>:-)
>
>Matt
>
>
>On 5/2/13 10:21 AM, "Karen Vuong" <ka...@citrix.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi Joe,
>>
>>Great - thanks! I will add our next meetup for the CloudStack SF Bay
>>Area Users group to be held on June 27th at SAP Labs in Palo Alto, CA
>>to the newsletter.
>>
>>Also, we have an evening event pending for the CloudStack Collaboration
>>Conference but I will need to get that confirmed and then announce it.
>>
>>BTW - I personally think the weekly newsletter is a useful effort. It's
>>pretty helpful to see all the things that are happening in the Apache
>>CloudStack community summed up into one newsletter.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Karen
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
>>Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:51 AM
>>To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>>Subject: Weekly News Items?
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Just a reminder that you're encouraged to submit news items for the
>>CloudStack Weekly News, here:
>>
>>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+CloudStac
>>k+W
>>eekly+News+-+6+May+2013
>>
>>Also - wondering, what can I do to entice more folks to contribute to
>>this? I don't see much in the way of participation, so I'm curious if
>>this is an indication that people don't see the weekly news as a useful
>>effort, or...?
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>jzb
>>--
>>Joe Brockmeier
>>jzb@zonker.net
>>Twitter: @jzb
>>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
RE: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Karen Vuong <ka...@citrix.com>.
Hi Matt,
Thank you!
Best regards,
Karen
-----Original Message-----
From: Mathias Mullins [mailto:mathias.mullins@citrix.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:13 AM
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Weekly News Items?
Karen,
I added the meet up while I was in editing. Since you've been helping me.
:-)
Matt
On 5/2/13 10:21 AM, "Karen Vuong" <ka...@citrix.com> wrote:
>Hi Joe,
>
>Great - thanks! I will add our next meetup for the CloudStack SF Bay
>Area Users group to be held on June 27th at SAP Labs in Palo Alto, CA
>to the newsletter.
>
>Also, we have an evening event pending for the CloudStack Collaboration
>Conference but I will need to get that confirmed and then announce it.
>
>BTW - I personally think the weekly newsletter is a useful effort. It's
>pretty helpful to see all the things that are happening in the Apache
>CloudStack community summed up into one newsletter.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Karen
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
>Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:51 AM
>To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Weekly News Items?
>
>Hi all,
>
>Just a reminder that you're encouraged to submit news items for the
>CloudStack Weekly News, here:
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+CloudStac
>k+W
>eekly+News+-+6+May+2013
>
>Also - wondering, what can I do to entice more folks to contribute to
>this? I don't see much in the way of participation, so I'm curious if
>this is an indication that people don't see the weekly news as a useful
>effort, or...?
>
>Best,
>
>jzb
>--
>Joe Brockmeier
>jzb@zonker.net
>Twitter: @jzb
>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>.
Karen,
I added the meet up while I was in editing. Since you've been helping me.
:-)
Matt
On 5/2/13 10:21 AM, "Karen Vuong" <ka...@citrix.com> wrote:
>Hi Joe,
>
>Great - thanks! I will add our next meetup for the CloudStack SF Bay Area
>Users group to be held on June 27th at SAP Labs in Palo Alto, CA to the
>newsletter.
>
>Also, we have an evening event pending for the CloudStack Collaboration
>Conference but I will need to get that confirmed and then announce it.
>
>BTW - I personally think the weekly newsletter is a useful effort. It's
>pretty helpful to see all the things that are happening in the Apache
>CloudStack community summed up into one newsletter.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Karen
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
>Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:51 AM
>To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Weekly News Items?
>
>Hi all,
>
>Just a reminder that you're encouraged to submit news items for the
>CloudStack Weekly News, here:
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+CloudStack+W
>eekly+News+-+6+May+2013
>
>Also - wondering, what can I do to entice more folks to contribute to
>this? I don't see much in the way of participation, so I'm curious if
>this is an indication that people don't see the weekly news as a useful
>effort, or...?
>
>Best,
>
>jzb
>--
>Joe Brockmeier
>jzb@zonker.net
>Twitter: @jzb
>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
RE: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Karen Vuong <ka...@citrix.com>.
Hi Joe,
Great - thanks! I will add our next meetup for the CloudStack SF Bay Area Users group to be held on June 27th at SAP Labs in Palo Alto, CA to the newsletter.
Also, we have an evening event pending for the CloudStack Collaboration Conference but I will need to get that confirmed and then announce it.
BTW - I personally think the weekly newsletter is a useful effort. It's pretty helpful to see all the things that are happening in the Apache CloudStack community summed up into one newsletter.
Best regards,
Karen
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:51 AM
To: marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Weekly News Items?
Hi all,
Just a reminder that you're encouraged to submit news items for the CloudStack Weekly News, here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+CloudStack+Weekly+News+-+6+May+2013
Also - wondering, what can I do to entice more folks to contribute to this? I don't see much in the way of participation, so I'm curious if this is an indication that people don't see the weekly news as a useful effort, or...?
Best,
jzb
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Chiradeep Vittal <Ch...@citrix.com>.
Free t-shirts?
Those USB-stick-can-opener things are a real hit too.
On 5/2/13 9:50 AM, "Joe Brockmeier" <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Just a reminder that you're encouraged to submit news items for the
>CloudStack Weekly News, here:
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+CloudStack+W
>eekly+News+-+6+May+2013
>
>Also - wondering, what can I do to entice more folks to contribute to
>this? I don't see much in the way of participation, so I'm curious if
>this is an indication that people don't see the weekly news as a useful
>effort, or...?
>
>Best,
>
>jzb
>--
>Joe Brockmeier
>jzb@zonker.net
>Twitter: @jzb
>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Mathias Mullins wrote:
> Cool. I definitely agree on that, I guess I was just thinking that since
> the call for papers, sponsors, registration are all underway it's a great
> time to keep it fresh. (Sorry used to work in a paper)
I try to stick to a similar format that's used by other "weekly news"
pubs in other open source projects. (Maybe I'm wrong?)
See DWN as an example:
http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2013/09/
> I'm also working on trolling the user / marking / dev discussions as
> well.
Groovy. Thanks!
> What were you wanting in the Jira section?
Similar to last week's:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+CloudStack+Weekly+News+-+29+April+2013
It might also be a good section to call out any specific unclaimed
issues that we need addressed.
Best,
jzb
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>.
Cool. I definitely agree on that, I guess I was just thinking that since
the call for papers, sponsors, registration are all underway it's a great
time to keep it fresh. (Sorry used to work in a paper)
I'm also working on trolling the user / marking / dev discussions as well.
What were you wanting in the Jira section?
Matt
On 5/2/13 10:12 AM, "Joe Brockmeier" <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
>Hi Matthias,
>On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Mathias Mullins wrote:
>> I'm working on it nowŠ
>>
>> I really think we have to move the collaboration conference up to the
>>top
>> headline though. It's the premier piece of CS news out there. So I'm
>> going
>> to use that "Edit Boldly" mantra that Joe likes. :-)
>
>The events section is ordered by date, not by importance. We have
>already have mentioned the CCC stuff in previous issues, but feel free
>to put the CFP in the lede.
>
>What I'm really asking for is more summaries of discussions on dev@,
>though. (And for people to make sure they add events that they're
>running, or links to their own blog posts...) There's a LOT of traffic
>and discussion on dev@, marketing@, and user@, and I worry that I miss
>important things...
>
>Best,
>
>jzb
>--
>Joe Brockmeier
>jzb@zonker.net
>Twitter: @jzb
>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
Hi Matthias,
On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Mathias Mullins wrote:
> I'm working on it nowŠ
>
> I really think we have to move the collaboration conference up to the top
> headline though. It's the premier piece of CS news out there. So I'm
> going
> to use that "Edit Boldly" mantra that Joe likes. :-)
The events section is ordered by date, not by importance. We have
already have mentioned the CCC stuff in previous issues, but feel free
to put the CFP in the lede.
What I'm really asking for is more summaries of discussions on dev@,
though. (And for people to make sure they add events that they're
running, or links to their own blog posts...) There's a LOT of traffic
and discussion on dev@, marketing@, and user@, and I worry that I miss
important things...
Best,
jzb
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Weekly News Items?
Posted by Mathias Mullins <ma...@citrix.com>.
I'm working on it nowŠ
I really think we have to move the collaboration conference up to the top
headline though. It's the premier piece of CS news out there. So I'm going
to use that "Edit Boldly" mantra that Joe likes. :-)
Matt
On 5/2/13 9:50 AM, "Joe Brockmeier" <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Just a reminder that you're encouraged to submit news items for the
>CloudStack Weekly News, here:
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Apache+CloudStack+W
>eekly+News+-+6+May+2013
>
>Also - wondering, what can I do to entice more folks to contribute to
>this? I don't see much in the way of participation, so I'm curious if
>this is an indication that people don't see the weekly news as a useful
>effort, or...?
>
>Best,
>
>jzb
>--
>Joe Brockmeier
>jzb@zonker.net
>Twitter: @jzb
>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/