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Posted to users@spamassassin.apache.org by Justin Mason <jm...@jmason.org> on 2008/02/26 10:57:00 UTC

Re: HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI

Jason Haar writes:
> Anthony Peacock wrote:
> >
> > I have had a look around the http://www.habeas.com/ website and can't 
> > really see how to check the company in question, or make a complaint. 
> > There is a form for asking them to ask the company to remove these 
> > addresses from their mailing list, but I don't want to have to do 
> > that, I want to complain about the company.
> This is a "me too". I had the same problem and came to exactly the same 
> conclusion: there's no way I could find to notify them that one of their 
> supposedly squeaky-clean customers is sending spam. I'm pushing their 
> score down to 0 too.

No way you could find?  look harder guys ;)

at the top of www.habeas.com, 'Support', then 'Give Feedback on Habeas
Certified Senders' brings you to this page:

  http://www.habeas.com/en-US/Company_Feedback.php

That page says you can also just forward it to complaints /at/ habeas.com.

'HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI' is supposed to require confirmed opt-in.  They
should LART these senders with a big stick.

--j.

Re: HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI

Posted by Yet Another Ninja <sa...@alexb.ch>.
On 2/26/2008 10:57 AM, Justin Mason wrote:
> Jason Haar writes:
>> Anthony Peacock wrote:
>>> I have had a look around the http://www.habeas.com/ website and can't 
>>> really see how to check the company in question, or make a complaint. 
>>> There is a form for asking them to ask the company to remove these 
>>> addresses from their mailing list, but I don't want to have to do 
>>> that, I want to complain about the company.
>> This is a "me too". I had the same problem and came to exactly the same 
>> conclusion: there's no way I could find to notify them that one of their 
>> supposedly squeaky-clean customers is sending spam. I'm pushing their 
>> score down to 0 too.
> 
> No way you could find?  look harder guys ;)
> 
> at the top of www.habeas.com, 'Support', then 'Give Feedback on Habeas
> Certified Senders' brings you to this page:
> 
>   http://www.habeas.com/en-US/Company_Feedback.php
> 
> That page says you can also just forward it to complaints /at/ habeas.com.
> 
> 'HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI' is supposed to require confirmed opt-in.  They
> should LART these senders with a big stick.

I would personally welcome all these "certifier" rules being disabled by 
default.

There's performance and filtering reasons to request this.

Don't see any good reason to trust "paid-for-certification" ?
/Hello ESPs & Co.! - don't start the blah/flame war, here - its useless/

AXB





Re: HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI

Posted by Igor Chudov <ic...@Algebra.Com>.
I strongly recommend to block Habeas entirely.

They are a yet another garbage email company.

i

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 03:10:54PM +0000, Anthony Peacock wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Following up to myself...
>
> Anthony Peacock wrote:
>> Hi Justin,
>>
>> Justin Mason wrote:
>>> Jason Haar writes:
>>>> Anthony Peacock wrote:
>>>>> I have had a look around the http://www.habeas.com/ website and can't 
>>>>> really see how to check the company in question, or make a complaint. 
>>>>> There is a form for asking them to ask the company to remove these 
>>>>> addresses from their mailing list, but I don't want to have to do that, 
>>>>> I want to complain about the company.
>>>> This is a "me too". I had the same problem and came to exactly the same 
>>>> conclusion: there's no way I could find to notify them that one of their 
>>>> supposedly squeaky-clean customers is sending spam. I'm pushing their 
>>>> score down to 0 too.
>>>
>>> No way you could find?  look harder guys ;)
>>>
>>> at the top of www.habeas.com, 'Support', then 'Give Feedback on Habeas
>>> Certified Senders' brings you to this page:
>>>
>>>   http://www.habeas.com/en-US/Company_Feedback.php
>>>
>>> That page says you can also just forward it to complaints /at/ 
>>> habeas.com.
>>
>> I did find that page, but got hung up on the bit that says, "Please ask 
>> the Sender to unsubscribe me from this email list. I understand Habeas 
>> cannot guarantee I will be unsubscribed."  Which, in my hurry to get to a 
>> meetig this morning, made me assume that this was just another mechanism 
>> to implement unsubscribing, and not a proper complaint procedure.
>>
>> I will actually report the emails that I have got.  But I think I am going 
>> to disable all the HABEAS rules anyway.
>
> Looking into this more, I have disabled the HABEAS checks altogether 
> (setting score to 0).  I did consider the suggestions about lowering the 
> impact by setting the score to -0.5 or similar, but actually I don't like 
> the concept of this service, and I would rather save the bandwidth and not 
> do the checks altogether.
>
> Thanks to everyone for their comments.
>

Re: HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI

Posted by Anthony Peacock <a....@chime.ucl.ac.uk>.
Hi,

Following up to myself...

Anthony Peacock wrote:
> Hi Justin,
> 
> Justin Mason wrote:
>> Jason Haar writes:
>>> Anthony Peacock wrote:
>>>> I have had a look around the http://www.habeas.com/ website and 
>>>> can't really see how to check the company in question, or make a 
>>>> complaint. There is a form for asking them to ask the company to 
>>>> remove these addresses from their mailing list, but I don't want to 
>>>> have to do that, I want to complain about the company.
>>> This is a "me too". I had the same problem and came to exactly the 
>>> same conclusion: there's no way I could find to notify them that one 
>>> of their supposedly squeaky-clean customers is sending spam. I'm 
>>> pushing their score down to 0 too.
>>
>> No way you could find?  look harder guys ;)
>>
>> at the top of www.habeas.com, 'Support', then 'Give Feedback on Habeas
>> Certified Senders' brings you to this page:
>>
>>   http://www.habeas.com/en-US/Company_Feedback.php
>>
>> That page says you can also just forward it to complaints /at/ 
>> habeas.com.
> 
> I did find that page, but got hung up on the bit that says, "Please ask 
> the Sender to unsubscribe me from this email list. I understand Habeas 
> cannot guarantee I will be unsubscribed."  Which, in my hurry to get to 
> a meetig this morning, made me assume that this was just another 
> mechanism to implement unsubscribing, and not a proper complaint procedure.
> 
> I will actually report the emails that I have got.  But I think I am 
> going to disable all the HABEAS rules anyway.

Looking into this more, I have disabled the HABEAS checks altogether 
(setting score to 0).  I did consider the suggestions about lowering the 
impact by setting the score to -0.5 or similar, but actually I don't 
like the concept of this service, and I would rather save the bandwidth 
and not do the checks altogether.

Thanks to everyone for their comments.

-- 
Anthony Peacock
CHIME, Royal Free & University College Medical School
WWW:    http://www.chime.ucl.ac.uk/~rmhiajp/
Study at CHIME in 2008. http://www.chime.ucl.ac.uk/study-health-informatics/

Re: HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI

Posted by Anthony Peacock <a....@chime.ucl.ac.uk>.
Hi Justin,

Justin Mason wrote:
> Jason Haar writes:
>> Anthony Peacock wrote:
>>> I have had a look around the http://www.habeas.com/ website and can't 
>>> really see how to check the company in question, or make a complaint. 
>>> There is a form for asking them to ask the company to remove these 
>>> addresses from their mailing list, but I don't want to have to do 
>>> that, I want to complain about the company.
>> This is a "me too". I had the same problem and came to exactly the same 
>> conclusion: there's no way I could find to notify them that one of their 
>> supposedly squeaky-clean customers is sending spam. I'm pushing their 
>> score down to 0 too.
> 
> No way you could find?  look harder guys ;)
> 
> at the top of www.habeas.com, 'Support', then 'Give Feedback on Habeas
> Certified Senders' brings you to this page:
> 
>   http://www.habeas.com/en-US/Company_Feedback.php
> 
> That page says you can also just forward it to complaints /at/ habeas.com.

I did find that page, but got hung up on the bit that says, "Please ask 
the Sender to unsubscribe me from this email list. I understand Habeas 
cannot guarantee I will be unsubscribed."  Which, in my hurry to get to 
a meetig this morning, made me assume that this was just another 
mechanism to implement unsubscribing, and not a proper complaint procedure.

I will actually report the emails that I have got.  But I think I am 
going to disable all the HABEAS rules anyway.


> 
> 'HABEAS_ACCREDITED_COI' is supposed to require confirmed opt-in.  They
> should LART these senders with a big stick.

Agreed!


-- 
Anthony Peacock
CHIME, Royal Free & University College Medical School
WWW:    http://www.chime.ucl.ac.uk/~rmhiajp/
Study at CHIME in 2008. http://www.chime.ucl.ac.uk/study-health-informatics/