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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by jan i <ja...@apache.org> on 2014/08/04 17:42:18 UTC
Ongoing OOXML development and "implementation defined" items.
Hi.
Based on the information from dennis/peter, I think it would be highly
interesting to know:
1) How are the "implementation defined" items implemented, is the intention
to forward a list to dev@ and ask for opinions (of course in a style so an
opinion is possible to give) ?
2) How will the "implementation defined" items, be documented, they are
likely to change over time, to its problaly a poing where maintenance is
needed, and thus a higher demand on documentation ?
3) Will the OOXML implementation allow round-trip of our documents without
loss of information ?
unlike the sidebar development, this develoment seems closed, I expect
there are good reasons for it, but items where many can have an opinion
(format conversion being a typical example) would be nice to discuss.
thanks in advance.
rgds
jan I
Re: Ongoing OOXML development and "implementation defined" items.
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
Hi.
Thanks to a (once again) good tip from andre, I found out why I could not
see the OOXML sources and control the code.
Be carefull when you upgrade svn client to newest, I had to do a fallback
before "svn up" would work correctly.
rgds
jan I.
On 4 August 2014 21:49, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 4 August 2014 18:23, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Jan asks good questions below.
>>
>> I have a comment with regard to (3) "Will the OOXML implementation allow
>> round-trip of our documents without loss of information?"
>>
>> It strikes me that there are OOXML import and export capabilities already
>> in Apache OpenOffice and a better question may have to do with whether
>> those capabilities will satisfy condition (3) and how can they be improved
>> to do so.
>>
>> I am assuming that Jan is considering more than AOO round-tripping with
>> itself, although it would be strange were that not already true. The trick
>> is round-tripping with other implementations of OOXML, perhaps, including
>> the OOXML support of the AOO cousin, LibreOffice?
>>
>> Sadly enough round-trip within AOO is not at all given, but you are right
> I was thinking about the AOO specialities in e.g. Microsoft word (it could
> also be that the new development simply ignores these fields)
>
>
>> I note that the current support is not being mentioned in this discussion
>> so far. I think it may be that is related to the focus on implementations
>> for mobile devices and other non-desktop solutions. It's not clear though.
>>
> Or because the import function for OOXML does not work for a large amount
> of documents.
>
> thanks for clarifying my questions:
> rgds
> Jan I.
>
>>
>>
>> -- Dennis E. Hamilton
>> dennis.hamilton@acm.org +1-206-779-9430
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
>> Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 08:42
>> To: dev
>> Subject: Ongoing OOXML development and "implementation defined" items.
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Based on the information from dennis/peter, I think it would be highly
>> interesting to know:
>>
>> 1) How are the "implementation defined" items implemented, is the
>> intention
>> to forward a list to dev@ and ask for opinions (of course in a style so
>> an
>> opinion is possible to give) ?
>>
>> 2) How will the "implementation defined" items, be documented, they are
>> likely to change over time, to its problaly a poing where maintenance is
>> needed, and thus a higher demand on documentation ?
>>
>> 3) Will the OOXML implementation allow round-trip of our documents without
>> loss of information ?
>>
>>
>> unlike the sidebar development, this develoment seems closed, I expect
>> there are good reasons for it, but items where many can have an opinion
>> (format conversion being a typical example) would be nice to discuss.
>>
>> thanks in advance.
>> rgds
>> jan I
>>
>>
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Re: Ongoing OOXML development and "implementation defined" items.
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 4 August 2014 18:23, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> Jan asks good questions below.
>
> I have a comment with regard to (3) "Will the OOXML implementation allow
> round-trip of our documents without loss of information?"
>
> It strikes me that there are OOXML import and export capabilities already
> in Apache OpenOffice and a better question may have to do with whether
> those capabilities will satisfy condition (3) and how can they be improved
> to do so.
>
> I am assuming that Jan is considering more than AOO round-tripping with
> itself, although it would be strange were that not already true. The trick
> is round-tripping with other implementations of OOXML, perhaps, including
> the OOXML support of the AOO cousin, LibreOffice?
>
> Sadly enough round-trip within AOO is not at all given, but you are right
I was thinking about the AOO specialities in e.g. Microsoft word (it could
also be that the new development simply ignores these fields)
> I note that the current support is not being mentioned in this discussion
> so far. I think it may be that is related to the focus on implementations
> for mobile devices and other non-desktop solutions. It's not clear though.
>
Or because the import function for OOXML does not work for a large amount
of documents.
thanks for clarifying my questions:
rgds
Jan I.
>
>
> -- Dennis E. Hamilton
> dennis.hamilton@acm.org +1-206-779-9430
> https://keybase.io/orcmid PGP F96E 89FF D456 628A
> X.509 certs used and requested for signed e-mail
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
> Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 08:42
> To: dev
> Subject: Ongoing OOXML development and "implementation defined" items.
>
> Hi.
>
> Based on the information from dennis/peter, I think it would be highly
> interesting to know:
>
> 1) How are the "implementation defined" items implemented, is the intention
> to forward a list to dev@ and ask for opinions (of course in a style so an
> opinion is possible to give) ?
>
> 2) How will the "implementation defined" items, be documented, they are
> likely to change over time, to its problaly a poing where maintenance is
> needed, and thus a higher demand on documentation ?
>
> 3) Will the OOXML implementation allow round-trip of our documents without
> loss of information ?
>
>
> unlike the sidebar development, this develoment seems closed, I expect
> there are good reasons for it, but items where many can have an opinion
> (format conversion being a typical example) would be nice to discuss.
>
> thanks in advance.
> rgds
> jan I
>
>
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RE: Ongoing OOXML development and "implementation defined" items.
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Jan asks good questions below.
I have a comment with regard to (3) "Will the OOXML implementation allow round-trip of our documents without loss of information?"
It strikes me that there are OOXML import and export capabilities already in Apache OpenOffice and a better question may have to do with whether those capabilities will satisfy condition (3) and how can they be improved to do so.
I am assuming that Jan is considering more than AOO round-tripping with itself, although it would be strange were that not already true. The trick is round-tripping with other implementations of OOXML, perhaps, including the OOXML support of the AOO cousin, LibreOffice?
I note that the current support is not being mentioned in this discussion so far. I think it may be that is related to the focus on implementations for mobile devices and other non-desktop solutions. It's not clear though.
-- Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamilton@acm.org +1-206-779-9430
https://keybase.io/orcmid PGP F96E 89FF D456 628A
X.509 certs used and requested for signed e-mail
-----Original Message-----
From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org]
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 08:42
To: dev
Subject: Ongoing OOXML development and "implementation defined" items.
Hi.
Based on the information from dennis/peter, I think it would be highly
interesting to know:
1) How are the "implementation defined" items implemented, is the intention
to forward a list to dev@ and ask for opinions (of course in a style so an
opinion is possible to give) ?
2) How will the "implementation defined" items, be documented, they are
likely to change over time, to its problaly a poing where maintenance is
needed, and thus a higher demand on documentation ?
3) Will the OOXML implementation allow round-trip of our documents without
loss of information ?
unlike the sidebar development, this develoment seems closed, I expect
there are good reasons for it, but items where many can have an opinion
(format conversion being a typical example) would be nice to discuss.
thanks in advance.
rgds
jan I
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