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Java 11 for HC 5.2?
Folks
How do you feel about upgrading all the way to Java 11 for the 5.2
release series and not Java 8?
I am quite certain Java 17 will be out by the time we are done with HC
5.2 development and we again will be one LTS version behind. Besides we
can keep the 5.1 release series going as long as it takes as the same
time.
Cheers
Oleg
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Re: Java 11 for HC 5.2?
Posted by Michael Osipov <mi...@apache.org>.
Am 2021-05-27 um 22:08 schrieb Oleg Kalnichevski:
> On Thu, 2021-05-27 at 10:13 +0200, Michael Osipov wrote:
>> Am 2021-05-26 um 14:29 schrieb Oleg Kalnichevski:
>>> Folks
>>>
>>> How do you feel about upgrading all the way to Java 11 for the 5.2
>>> release series and not Java 8?
>>>
>>> I am quite certain Java 17 will be out by the time we are done with
>>> HC
>>> 5.2 development and we again will be one LTS version behind.
>>> Besides we
>>> can keep the 5.1 release series going as long as it takes as the
>>> same
>>> time.
>>
>> Such a tremendous change would require:
>>
>> * A major version
>
> Why is that? Why upgrade to Java 1.8 does not require a major version
> but to Java 11 does?
I'd say spread. Java 8 arrived now almost everywhere were as 11 hasn't
arrived for most because they simply see no benefit. Moreover, the
module system brings complexity during migration which Java 8 does not have.
>> * Hard facts about the benefit of Java 11 except the ALPN you
>> mentioned.
>>
>
> Compatibility with Java 16 onward should be benefit enough, should it
> not?
I guess it is now, isn't it?
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Re: Java 11 for HC 5.2?
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 2021-05-27 at 10:13 +0200, Michael Osipov wrote:
> Am 2021-05-26 um 14:29 schrieb Oleg Kalnichevski:
> > Folks
> >
> > How do you feel about upgrading all the way to Java 11 for the 5.2
> > release series and not Java 8?
> >
> > I am quite certain Java 17 will be out by the time we are done with
> > HC
> > 5.2 development and we again will be one LTS version behind.
> > Besides we
> > can keep the 5.1 release series going as long as it takes as the
> > same
> > time.
>
> Such a tremendous change would require:
>
> * A major version
Why is that? Why upgrade to Java 1.8 does not require a major version
but to Java 11 does?
> * Hard facts about the benefit of Java 11 except the ALPN you
> mentioned.
>
Compatibility with Java 16 onward should be benefit enough, should it
not?
Oleg
> I am on -1 for 5.2 with Java 11.
>
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Re: Java 11 for HC 5.2?
Posted by Michael Osipov <mi...@apache.org>.
Am 2021-05-26 um 14:29 schrieb Oleg Kalnichevski:
> Folks
>
> How do you feel about upgrading all the way to Java 11 for the 5.2
> release series and not Java 8?
>
> I am quite certain Java 17 will be out by the time we are done with HC
> 5.2 development and we again will be one LTS version behind. Besides we
> can keep the 5.1 release series going as long as it takes as the same
> time.
Such a tremendous change would require:
* A major version
* Hard facts about the benefit of Java 11 except the ALPN you mentioned.
I am on -1 for 5.2 with Java 11.
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Re: Java 11 for HC 5.2?
Posted by Carter Kozak <ck...@ckozak.net>.
+1 especially given how close we are to the next LTS java release.
Carter
On Wed, May 26, 2021, at 10:12, Arturo Bernal wrote:
> +1
>
> Sounds great.
>
> Arturo Bernal
> arturobernalg@yahoo.com <mailto:arturobernalg%40yahoo.com>
>
>
>
> > On 26 May 2021, at 15:48, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com <mailto:garydgregory%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Fine with me as long as we keep 5.1 maintained on Java 8 for a little while
> > longer. At work, our baseline is still Java 8. Now that IBM has released
> > Java 11 on the IBM i platform we are back to Java's latest LTS version
> > running "everywhere" so I am hopeful we can migrate to Java 11 at some
> > point.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 26, 2021, 08:29 Oleg Kalnichevski <olegk@apache.org <mailto:olegk%40apache.org>> wrote:
> >
> >> Folks
> >>
> >> How do you feel about upgrading all the way to Java 11 for the 5.2
> >> release series and not Java 8?
> >>
> >> I am quite certain Java 17 will be out by the time we are done with HC
> >> 5.2 development and we again will be one LTS version behind. Besides we
> >> can keep the 5.1 release series going as long as it takes as the same
> >> time.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Oleg
> >>
> >>
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Re: Java 11 for HC 5.2?
Posted by Arturo Bernal <ar...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
+1
Sounds great.
Arturo Bernal
arturobernalg@yahoo.com
> On 26 May 2021, at 15:48, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Fine with me as long as we keep 5.1 maintained on Java 8 for a little while
> longer. At work, our baseline is still Java 8. Now that IBM has released
> Java 11 on the IBM i platform we are back to Java's latest LTS version
> running "everywhere" so I am hopeful we can migrate to Java 11 at some
> point.
>
> Gary
>
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021, 08:29 Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Folks
>>
>> How do you feel about upgrading all the way to Java 11 for the 5.2
>> release series and not Java 8?
>>
>> I am quite certain Java 17 will be out by the time we are done with HC
>> 5.2 development and we again will be one LTS version behind. Besides we
>> can keep the 5.1 release series going as long as it takes as the same
>> time.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Oleg
>>
>>
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Re: Java 11 for HC 5.2?
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
Fine with me as long as we keep 5.1 maintained on Java 8 for a little while
longer. At work, our baseline is still Java 8. Now that IBM has released
Java 11 on the IBM i platform we are back to Java's latest LTS version
running "everywhere" so I am hopeful we can migrate to Java 11 at some
point.
Gary
On Wed, May 26, 2021, 08:29 Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> Folks
>
> How do you feel about upgrading all the way to Java 11 for the 5.2
> release series and not Java 8?
>
> I am quite certain Java 17 will be out by the time we are done with HC
> 5.2 development and we again will be one LTS version behind. Besides we
> can keep the 5.1 release series going as long as it takes as the same
> time.
>
> Cheers
>
> Oleg
>
>
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Re: Java 11 for HC 5.2?
Posted by "info@flyingfischer.ch" <in...@flyingfischer.ch>.
+1
Sound good to me.
Best
Markus
Am 26.05.21 um 14:29 schrieb Oleg Kalnichevski:
> Folks
>
> How do you feel about upgrading all the way to Java 11 for the 5.2
> release series and not Java 8?
>
> I am quite certain Java 17 will be out by the time we are done with HC
> 5.2 development and we again will be one LTS version behind. Besides we
> can keep the 5.1 release series going as long as it takes as the same
> time.
>
> Cheers
>
> Oleg
>
>
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Re: Java 11 for HC 5.2?
Posted by Michael Osipov <mi...@apache.org>.
Am 2021-05-26 um 20:24 schrieb Oleg Kalnichevski:
> On Wed, 2021-05-26 at 10:49 -0700, Ryan Schmitt wrote:
>> -1. I think staying on JDK8 is for the best. Adoption of JDK11 has
>> been
>> quite poor, due to a lack of compelling new language features that
>> would
>> make upgrading worthwhile, and even ALPN and TLSv1.3 (the most
>> relevant
>> JDK11 features for our purposes) have now been backported to JDK8.
>
> I am shocked to have discovered that Oracle have actually added
> #getApplicationProtocol method to SSLEngine class in an a bloody patch
> release!
High user demand forced Oracle to deliver this and why upgrade if it
isn't broken and works for you?
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Re: Java 11 for HC 5.2?
Posted by Ryan Schmitt <rs...@pobox.com>.
> I am shocked to have discovered that Oracle have actually added
> #getApplicationProtocol method to SSLEngine class in an a bloody patch
> release!
Right?! It was technically a "Maintenance Release" of the platform spec
(MR3), but it's still completely astonishing. I'm not sure there's any
precedent for it.
On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 11:24 AM Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 2021-05-26 at 10:49 -0700, Ryan Schmitt wrote:
> > -1. I think staying on JDK8 is for the best. Adoption of JDK11 has
> > been
> > quite poor, due to a lack of compelling new language features that
> > would
> > make upgrading worthwhile, and even ALPN and TLSv1.3 (the most
> > relevant
> > JDK11 features for our purposes) have now been backported to JDK8.
>
> I am shocked to have discovered that Oracle have actually added
> #getApplicationProtocol method to SSLEngine class in an a bloody patch
> release!
>
> That basically eliminates the only really strong reason to upgrade to
> Java 11.
>
> I think we can scrap the idea.
>
> Oleg
>
>
>
> > I'd
> > rather skip JDK11 and target JDK17 once it's ready. JDK17 will ship a
> > number of major new language features (records, text blocks, switch
> > expressions, instanceof pattern matching, sealed classes), as well as
> > some
> > JDK features that might be relevant to us, such as support for Unix
> > domain
> > sockets.
> >
> > I'd also point out that log4j2 is apparently planning on upgrading to
> > JDK11
> > in their next release. I'd prefer to wait and see how their
> > experience goes
> > before we do anything.
> >
> > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 5:29 AM Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Folks
> > >
> > > How do you feel about upgrading all the way to Java 11 for the 5.2
> > > release series and not Java 8?
> > >
> > > I am quite certain Java 17 will be out by the time we are done with
> > > HC
> > > 5.2 development and we again will be one LTS version behind.
> > > Besides we
> > > can keep the 5.1 release series going as long as it takes as the
> > > same
> > > time.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Oleg
> > >
> > >
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Re: Java 11 for HC 5.2?
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 2021-05-26 at 10:49 -0700, Ryan Schmitt wrote:
> -1. I think staying on JDK8 is for the best. Adoption of JDK11 has
> been
> quite poor, due to a lack of compelling new language features that
> would
> make upgrading worthwhile, and even ALPN and TLSv1.3 (the most
> relevant
> JDK11 features for our purposes) have now been backported to JDK8.
I am shocked to have discovered that Oracle have actually added
#getApplicationProtocol method to SSLEngine class in an a bloody patch
release!
That basically eliminates the only really strong reason to upgrade to
Java 11.
I think we can scrap the idea.
Oleg
> I'd
> rather skip JDK11 and target JDK17 once it's ready. JDK17 will ship a
> number of major new language features (records, text blocks, switch
> expressions, instanceof pattern matching, sealed classes), as well as
> some
> JDK features that might be relevant to us, such as support for Unix
> domain
> sockets.
>
> I'd also point out that log4j2 is apparently planning on upgrading to
> JDK11
> in their next release. I'd prefer to wait and see how their
> experience goes
> before we do anything.
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 5:29 AM Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Folks
> >
> > How do you feel about upgrading all the way to Java 11 for the 5.2
> > release series and not Java 8?
> >
> > I am quite certain Java 17 will be out by the time we are done with
> > HC
> > 5.2 development and we again will be one LTS version behind.
> > Besides we
> > can keep the 5.1 release series going as long as it takes as the
> > same
> > time.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Oleg
> >
> >
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Re: Java 11 for HC 5.2?
Posted by Ryan Schmitt <rs...@apache.org>.
-1. I think staying on JDK8 is for the best. Adoption of JDK11 has been
quite poor, due to a lack of compelling new language features that would
make upgrading worthwhile, and even ALPN and TLSv1.3 (the most relevant
JDK11 features for our purposes) have now been backported to JDK8. I'd
rather skip JDK11 and target JDK17 once it's ready. JDK17 will ship a
number of major new language features (records, text blocks, switch
expressions, instanceof pattern matching, sealed classes), as well as some
JDK features that might be relevant to us, such as support for Unix domain
sockets.
I'd also point out that log4j2 is apparently planning on upgrading to JDK11
in their next release. I'd prefer to wait and see how their experience goes
before we do anything.
On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 5:29 AM Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> Folks
>
> How do you feel about upgrading all the way to Java 11 for the 5.2
> release series and not Java 8?
>
> I am quite certain Java 17 will be out by the time we are done with HC
> 5.2 development and we again will be one LTS version behind. Besides we
> can keep the 5.1 release series going as long as it takes as the same
> time.
>
> Cheers
>
> Oleg
>
>
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