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Posted to server-dev@james.apache.org by Thom Hehl <he...@asset.com> on 2006/04/18 14:49:15 UTC

Address books and Calendar functions

Thanks for the point to IETF. I have subscribed to iCalendar list and 
will work from their baseline to see how it works. I did not succeed in 
finding Address Book functionality, though. If it's there, please let me 
know. If not, I'll see if I can get one started.

I think that address book maintenance is VITAL to any mail application. 
Mail simply isn't that useful without it. I feel that this would be an 
important addition to JAMES. I would be interested in other opinions on 
this.

Calendar functions have always been integrated in mail applications and 
you need e-mail to send out invitations to a meeting. While technically, 
this does not belong in a mail client, you mail-client has to hand off 
to a calendar server and you still have to build this in, so why not 
build in the calendar function? JAMES already supports 4 protocols. I 
would be interested in hearing other thoughts about this.

Thanks.

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Re: Address books and Calendar functions

Posted by Mohan Embar <gn...@thisiscool.com>.
>Your advice is well taken. I will do the IMAP first. I will have to 
>acquaint myself with the calendaring.

FWIW, see this:

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/james-server-dev/200511.mbox/%3c87NJONUQP4WF03X53OJC9DAZ9SOLF.436f78d5@d9300%3e

...and the followup post by Stefano. I last touched this in
November, 2005, but had to drop this to do "real" work :(

-- Mohan
http://www.thisiscool.com/
http://www.animalsong.org/





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Re: Address books and Calendar functions

Posted by Thom Hehl <he...@asset.com>.
Your advice is well taken. I will do the IMAP first. I will have to 
acquaint myself with the calendaring.

Calendar functions would support the ability of members of your site 
reviewing calendars of other members and scheduling meetings with them 
via e-mail. This would be the equivalent of groupware apps like 
Outlook/Exchange and Lotus Notes.

Stefano Bagnara wrote:
> Thom Hehl wrote:
>> Thanks for the point to IETF. I have subscribed to iCalendar list and 
>> will work from their baseline to see how it works. I did not succeed 
>> in finding Address Book functionality, though. If it's there, please 
>> let me know. If not, I'll see if I can get one started.
>>
>> I think that address book maintenance is VITAL to any mail 
>> application. Mail simply isn't that useful without it. I feel that 
>> this would be an important addition to JAMES. I would be interested 
>> in other opinions on this.
>
> LDAP is probably the already existing protocol used to share an 
> "address book"/"contact list".
> ApacheDS provides this feature.
>
>> Calendar functions have always been integrated in mail applications 
>> and you need e-mail to send out invitations to a meeting. While 
>> technically, this does not belong in a mail client, you mail-client 
>> has to hand off to a calendar server and you still have to build this 
>> in, so why not build in the calendar function? JAMES already supports 
>> 4 protocols. I would be interested in hearing other thoughts about this.
>
> What does this "calendar protocol" do?
> How does it work?
>
> Stefano
>
> PS: I see you are writing that you can help with IMAP4/iCAL/definition 
> of new standards and more. Isnt't it too much to start? Maybe it is 
> better to work on a single issue at a time.
>
>
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Re: Address books and Calendar functions

Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Thom Hehl wrote:
> Thanks for the point to IETF. I have subscribed to iCalendar list and 
> will work from their baseline to see how it works. I did not succeed in 
> finding Address Book functionality, though. If it's there, please let me 
> know. If not, I'll see if I can get one started.
> 
> I think that address book maintenance is VITAL to any mail application. 
> Mail simply isn't that useful without it. I feel that this would be an 
> important addition to JAMES. I would be interested in other opinions on 
> this.

LDAP is probably the already existing protocol used to share an "address 
book"/"contact list".
ApacheDS provides this feature.

> Calendar functions have always been integrated in mail applications and 
> you need e-mail to send out invitations to a meeting. While technically, 
> this does not belong in a mail client, you mail-client has to hand off 
> to a calendar server and you still have to build this in, so why not 
> build in the calendar function? JAMES already supports 4 protocols. I 
> would be interested in hearing other thoughts about this.

What does this "calendar protocol" do?
How does it work?

Stefano

PS: I see you are writing that you can help with IMAP4/iCAL/definition 
of new standards and more. Isnt't it too much to start? Maybe it is 
better to work on a single issue at a time.


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Re: Address books and Calendar functions

Posted by "Kervin L. Pierre" <ke...@adevsoft.com>.
Stefano Bagnara wrote:
> Thom Hehl wrote:
>> argument still applies, but I still feel, what's e-mail without an 
>> address book? If it doesn't belong in its own server, where does it 
>> belong?
> 
> 
> LDAP
> Most clients already support this protocol.
> 

And for the calendar functionality there is CalDAV
[ http://ietf.webdav.org/caldav/home.html ] Which
is still in draft phase, but nearing last call.
Bedework [ http://www.bedework.org/ ] and
Cosmo [ 
http://wiki.osafoundation.org/bin/view/Projects/CosmoDevelopmentHome ]
are two open source server implementations of
CalDAV under development.  There are some commercial
products out there as well, I've used Oracle's in
testing.

My 2 cents, I don't think Mail Access Protocols
should be in the same binary as Mail Transfer
Protocols, much less Calendar/Scheduling/Address
book protocols etc.

I know it won't happen, but conceivably maybe
James may do better by forking the POP/IMAP code
and concentrating on the SMTP functionality?

Best regards,
Kervin


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Re: Address books and Calendar functions

Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Thom Hehl wrote:
> Address book, though, I'd still like to push a little on. The same 
> argument still applies, but I still feel, what's e-mail without an 
> address book? If it doesn't belong in its own server, where does it belong?

LDAP
Most clients already support this protocol.

Stefano


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Re: Address books and Calendar functions

Posted by Thom Hehl <he...@asset.com>.
Or, with calendars, maybe not. Maybe the calendar functions are 
supported only by the client and are sent to a separate calendar server. 
The more I think about it, the more I think that you're right, Berned.

Address book, though, I'd still like to push a little on. The same 
argument still applies, but I still feel, what's e-mail without an 
address book? If it doesn't belong in its own server, where does it belong?

Thom Hehl wrote:
> Thanks for the point to IETF. I have subscribed to iCalendar list and 
> will work from their baseline to see how it works. I did not succeed 
> in finding Address Book functionality, though. If it's there, please 
> let me know. If not, I'll see if I can get one started.
>
> I think that address book maintenance is VITAL to any mail 
> application. Mail simply isn't that useful without it. I feel that 
> this would be an important addition to JAMES. I would be interested in 
> other opinions on this.
>
> Calendar functions have always been integrated in mail applications 
> and you need e-mail to send out invitations to a meeting. While 
> technically, this does not belong in a mail client, you mail-client 
> has to hand off to a calendar server and you still have to build this 
> in, so why not build in the calendar function? JAMES already supports 
> 4 protocols. I would be interested in hearing other thoughts about this.
>
> Thanks.
>
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