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Posted to users@tomee.apache.org by stx_g <st...@yahoo.it> on 2012/12/01 19:04:11 UTC
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Hi David,
IMHO a maintenance release should be delivered as soon as possible.
A two months waiting period - or more - is too much as we are talking
about bugs, not features.
Moreover I think that, if there are frequent releases out, the hard work
of the TomEE team could be appreciate much more.
Regards.
-- Stefano
--
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Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Well if all is fine the vote should be ready today or tomorrow. Add 3 days
and we ll get the release
Le 7 déc. 2012 07:51, "Alex The Rocker" <al...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> Is TomEE 1.5.1 general availability still targeted and of current week or
> beginning of next week ?
>
> I'm worried, because I still see couple of JIRAs being closed : it doesn't
> look to me like a "only most critical bugs can be fixed because we're in
> final convergence" period...
> ... is there a way to have a firm target for 1.5.1 release?
>
> I still see people who download TomEE 1.5.0 on Windows and just throw it
> with a "it doesn't works". I think only 1 out 1000 people actual bother to
> post to users list and finally get the information that they must use 1.5.1
> SNAPSHOT : TomEE is loosing opportunities, I can't be clearer.
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Alex The Rocker <alex.m3tal@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > @Stephano: well said ! I agree that more frequent release would make it
> > clear that TomEE is alive, as it deserves to be seen !
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM, stx_g <st...@yahoo.it> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi David,
> >>
> >> IMHO a maintenance release should be delivered as soon as possible.
> >>
> >> A two months waiting period - or more - is too much as we are talking
> >> about bugs, not features.
> >>
> >> Moreover I think that, if there are frequent releases out, the hard
> work
> >> of the TomEE team could be appreciate much more.
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Stefano
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/TomEE-1-5-1-release-date-tp4658991p4659037.html
> >> Sent from the OpenEJB User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by Jean-Louis MONTEIRO <je...@gmail.com>.
Sure, the topic is indeed important and as mentioned by both of you Herald
and Alex, we must improve the release process to get more regular releases
and be able to follow security patches when necessary.
Jlouis
Le 8 déc. 2012 18:15, "Harald Wellmann" <hw...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> 2012/12/8 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>:
> > we've just propagated owb-1.1.7 to maven.central.
> > Which means tomee can now upgrade and start with the release procedure
> imo.
>
> Very cool!
>
> Hope you didn't get the impression that this discussion was all about
> OWB delaying the TomEE release train - it's just a general question of
> how to improve the TomEE user experience.
>
> The thing is, the end user sees a Java EE server and doesn't really
> care if their specific problem is in TomEE core or in OWB or Tomcat or
> OpenJPA or wherever...
>
> Best regards,
> Harald
>
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by Harald Wellmann <hw...@gmail.com>.
2012/12/8 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>:
> we've just propagated owb-1.1.7 to maven.central.
> Which means tomee can now upgrade and start with the release procedure imo.
Very cool!
Hope you didn't get the impression that this discussion was all about
OWB delaying the TomEE release train - it's just a general question of
how to improve the TomEE user experience.
The thing is, the end user sees a Java EE server and doesn't really
care if their specific problem is in TomEE core or in OWB or Tomcat or
OpenJPA or wherever...
Best regards,
Harald
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by "Howard W. Smith, Jr." <sm...@gmail.com>.
Okay, I'm looking forward to that. In the meanwhile, I'm going to push that
last 1.5.1 build and atmosphere compat tomcat (6) on my production server.
I've had TomEE running on production server for few days now. :)
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Yep, because of atmosphere fix we had to do a new 1.5.1 repo. Think the
> right one will be up on monday
> Le 8 déc. 2012 19:32, "Howard W. Smith, Jr." <sm...@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
> > > The upgrade is done in the release branch. Same for tomcat 7.0.34...
> >
> > Um, say that again, please, but with a few more details, so us users can
> > download-and-test.
> >
> > I refreshed the repository URL that you sent me yesterday to download
> TomEE
> > 1.5.1, and that URL is no longer valid.
> >
> > 7.0.34 too? wow! :)
> >
>
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Yep, because of atmosphere fix we had to do a new 1.5.1 repo. Think the
right one will be up on monday
Le 8 déc. 2012 19:32, "Howard W. Smith, Jr." <sm...@gmail.com> a
écrit :
> > The upgrade is done in the release branch. Same for tomcat 7.0.34...
>
> Um, say that again, please, but with a few more details, so us users can
> download-and-test.
>
> I refreshed the repository URL that you sent me yesterday to download TomEE
> 1.5.1, and that URL is no longer valid.
>
> 7.0.34 too? wow! :)
>
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by "Howard W. Smith, Jr." <sm...@gmail.com>.
> The upgrade is done in the release branch. Same for tomcat 7.0.34...
Um, say that again, please, but with a few more details, so us users can
download-and-test.
I refreshed the repository URL that you sent me yesterday to download TomEE
1.5.1, and that URL is no longer valid.
7.0.34 too? wow! :)
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
The upgrade is done in the release branch. Same for tomcat 7.0.34...
About doc etc, help is always welcomed ;)
Le 8 déc. 2012 17:43, "Mark Struberg" <st...@yahoo.de> a écrit :
> we've just propagated owb-1.1.7 to maven.central.
> Which means tomee can now upgrade and start with the release procedure imo.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Harald Wellmann <hw...@gmail.com>
> > To: users@openejb.apache.org
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 5:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
> >
> >T o sum up my experience with TomEE: 1.0.0.beta was completely
> > unusable, the 1.5.0 release has made a giant leap towards production
> > quality but still has blocker bugs, which are getting fixed very
> > quickly, and this list is extremely helpful.
> >
> > The problem with snapshots is that they disappear. If you work with
> > Maven, you can't even release a product of your own with a snapshot
> > dependency (and for a very good reason too). I've often cherrypicked
> > fixes from unreleased versions of third-party dependencies, but that
> > always involves the hassle of checking in a local copy, building a
> > private release and deploying it to a local Nexus.
> >
> > At the current rate of bugs appearing and getting fixed in TomEE, it
> > would be very helpful to have frequent releases. You may want to
> > differentiate between milestone releases or stable builds and GA
> > releases. It's ok to have only two or three GA releases per year as
> > long as there are frequent (e.g. monthly) milestone releases,
> > published to Maven Central, but without all the QA and ASF procedural
> > overhead.
> >
> > IMHO, you cannot overestimate the negative effect of people taking a
> > quick look at a project, running into problems, finding not enough
> > documentation and then turning away and spreading bad news. So in
> > addition to coming up with the next release, IMHO this project would
> > greatly benefit from usable entry-level documentation and from sorting
> > out the TomEE/OpenEJB confusion.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Harald
> >
>
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
we've just propagated owb-1.1.7 to maven.central.
Which means tomee can now upgrade and start with the release procedure imo.
LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
> From: Harald Wellmann <hw...@gmail.com>
> To: users@openejb.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
>
>T o sum up my experience with TomEE: 1.0.0.beta was completely
> unusable, the 1.5.0 release has made a giant leap towards production
> quality but still has blocker bugs, which are getting fixed very
> quickly, and this list is extremely helpful.
>
> The problem with snapshots is that they disappear. If you work with
> Maven, you can't even release a product of your own with a snapshot
> dependency (and for a very good reason too). I've often cherrypicked
> fixes from unreleased versions of third-party dependencies, but that
> always involves the hassle of checking in a local copy, building a
> private release and deploying it to a local Nexus.
>
> At the current rate of bugs appearing and getting fixed in TomEE, it
> would be very helpful to have frequent releases. You may want to
> differentiate between milestone releases or stable builds and GA
> releases. It's ok to have only two or three GA releases per year as
> long as there are frequent (e.g. monthly) milestone releases,
> published to Maven Central, but without all the QA and ASF procedural
> overhead.
>
> IMHO, you cannot overestimate the negative effect of people taking a
> quick look at a project, running into problems, finding not enough
> documentation and then turning away and spreading bad news. So in
> addition to coming up with the next release, IMHO this project would
> greatly benefit from usable entry-level documentation and from sorting
> out the TomEE/OpenEJB confusion.
>
> Best regards,
> Harald
>
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by Alex The Rocker <al...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
Well said Harald !
In addition, I think TomEE will be taken even more seriously if it was
written somewhere on its Internet site that for security alerts (CVE...) a
new release would be provided in at most xx weeks.
I know many potential users who wouldn't consider using TomEE if a Tomcat
CVE is publicized and the only way to fix is to use a "Snapshot", which may
not be stable.
The question is : "TomEE is currently a super choice of developers, how can
it be also a super choice for IT people, at least as much as Tomcat is ?".
Fixed number of releases per year would be a good start (IT people won't
care about Milestones, but I like this idea for developers, if "Snapshot"
could be replaced by "Nightly build" - okay I confess : I like Eclipse way
:)
Alex
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Harald Wellmann <hw...@gmail.com>wrote:
> To sum up my experience with TomEE: 1.0.0.beta was completely
> unusable, the 1.5.0 release has made a giant leap towards production
> quality but still has blocker bugs, which are getting fixed very
> quickly, and this list is extremely helpful.
>
> The problem with snapshots is that they disappear. If you work with
> Maven, you can't even release a product of your own with a snapshot
> dependency (and for a very good reason too). I've often cherrypicked
> fixes from unreleased versions of third-party dependencies, but that
> always involves the hassle of checking in a local copy, building a
> private release and deploying it to a local Nexus.
>
> At the current rate of bugs appearing and getting fixed in TomEE, it
> would be very helpful to have frequent releases. You may want to
> differentiate between milestone releases or stable builds and GA
> releases. It's ok to have only two or three GA releases per year as
> long as there are frequent (e.g. monthly) milestone releases,
> published to Maven Central, but without all the QA and ASF procedural
> overhead.
>
> IMHO, you cannot overestimate the negative effect of people taking a
> quick look at a project, running into problems, finding not enough
> documentation and then turning away and spreading bad news. So in
> addition to coming up with the next release, IMHO this project would
> greatly benefit from usable entry-level documentation and from sorting
> out the TomEE/OpenEJB confusion.
>
> Best regards,
> Harald
>
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by Harald Wellmann <hw...@gmail.com>.
To sum up my experience with TomEE: 1.0.0.beta was completely
unusable, the 1.5.0 release has made a giant leap towards production
quality but still has blocker bugs, which are getting fixed very
quickly, and this list is extremely helpful.
The problem with snapshots is that they disappear. If you work with
Maven, you can't even release a product of your own with a snapshot
dependency (and for a very good reason too). I've often cherrypicked
fixes from unreleased versions of third-party dependencies, but that
always involves the hassle of checking in a local copy, building a
private release and deploying it to a local Nexus.
At the current rate of bugs appearing and getting fixed in TomEE, it
would be very helpful to have frequent releases. You may want to
differentiate between milestone releases or stable builds and GA
releases. It's ok to have only two or three GA releases per year as
long as there are frequent (e.g. monthly) milestone releases,
published to Maven Central, but without all the QA and ASF procedural
overhead.
IMHO, you cannot overestimate the negative effect of people taking a
quick look at a project, running into problems, finding not enough
documentation and then turning away and spreading bad news. So in
addition to coming up with the next release, IMHO this project would
greatly benefit from usable entry-level documentation and from sorting
out the TomEE/OpenEJB confusion.
Best regards,
Harald
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
That's true and not
you know i looked download stats yesterday and it seems "beta" in the
name (RC too i guess) makes it really less used so if it is SNAPSHOT
that's worse.
Some people are afraid to use SNAPSHOT as some others are afraid to
open the code when something doesn't work as expected (afraid or
doesn't want ;).
That's just a fact
But i'm happy to see users sending mails here are after fine to give
it a try on snapshot versions, it helps a lot
Romain Manni-Bucau
Twitter: @rmannibucau
Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
2012/12/7 Howard W. Smith, Jr. <sm...@gmail.com>:
> Alex,
>
> Losing opportunities? Really?
>
> I respectfully beg to differ/disagree. I know I am only one person, but I
> am one that loves (I repeat, 'loves') Glassfish (as well as my endusers),
> but I am falling in love with TomEE 1.5.1 SNAPSHOT and the TomEE/openejb
> 'committers'.
>
> For someone with 1 year (1.5 years, actually) of experience with Java 'and'
> developing JSF web application, and have been successful, all of the other
> people don't have an excuse for 'not' being able to install TomEE 1.5.0,
> searching google to find out what might be the cause (like I did), and then
> freely asking the question to a very helpful and
> 'always-and-readily-accessible' group of (TomEE) committers.
>
> This just reminded me that I first downloaded TomEE Plus (1.5.0), had
> issues because of the file path issue on Windows machine, found the
> solution via google, someone said download TomEE 1.5.1 SNAPSHOT, did that,
> and after many answered questions and hours of wanting to make my
> newly-migrated CDI-managed-beans-from-JSF-managed-beans web app 'work',
> here I am... eagerly wanting TomEE to replace Glassfish (in production),
> since Glassfish is not 'easily' allowing me to run my CDI-managed-bean app
> with WELD (bundled with Glassfish 3.1.2.2), and Glassfish is not 'easily'
> allowing me to use Atmosphere (PrimeFaces Push).
>
> I am happy to report that I am using TomEE 1.5.1 SNAPSHOT in production, on
> the production server, and I'm doing my best to make sure the endusers
> don't see much of a difference in the performance and reliability of TomEE
> (since Glassfish has been reliable and very fast in the past months since
> endusers began using the web app).
>
> Just thought I might share that. :)
>
> Howard
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Alex The Rocker <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is TomEE 1.5.1 general availability still targeted and of current week or
>> beginning of next week ?
>>
>> I'm worried, because I still see couple of JIRAs being closed : it doesn't
>> look to me like a "only most critical bugs can be fixed because we're in
>> final convergence" period...
>> ... is there a way to have a firm target for 1.5.1 release?
>>
>> I still see people who download TomEE 1.5.0 on Windows and just throw it
>> with a "it doesn't works". I think only 1 out 1000 people actual bother to
>> post to users list and finally get the information that they must use 1.5.1
>> SNAPSHOT : TomEE is loosing opportunities, I can't be clearer.
>>
>> Alex.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Alex The Rocker <alex.m3tal@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > @Stephano: well said ! I agree that more frequent release would make it
>> > clear that TomEE is alive, as it deserves to be seen !
>> >
>> > Alex.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM, stx_g <st...@yahoo.it> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi David,
>> >>
>> >> IMHO a maintenance release should be delivered as soon as possible.
>> >>
>> >> A two months waiting period - or more - is too much as we are talking
>> >> about bugs, not features.
>> >>
>> >> Moreover I think that, if there are frequent releases out, the hard
>> work
>> >> of the TomEE team could be appreciate much more.
>> >>
>> >> Regards.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -- Stefano
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> >>
>> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/TomEE-1-5-1-release-date-tp4658991p4659037.html
>> >> Sent from the OpenEJB User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by "Howard W. Smith, Jr." <sm...@gmail.com>.
Alex,
Losing opportunities? Really?
I respectfully beg to differ/disagree. I know I am only one person, but I
am one that loves (I repeat, 'loves') Glassfish (as well as my endusers),
but I am falling in love with TomEE 1.5.1 SNAPSHOT and the TomEE/openejb
'committers'.
For someone with 1 year (1.5 years, actually) of experience with Java 'and'
developing JSF web application, and have been successful, all of the other
people don't have an excuse for 'not' being able to install TomEE 1.5.0,
searching google to find out what might be the cause (like I did), and then
freely asking the question to a very helpful and
'always-and-readily-accessible' group of (TomEE) committers.
This just reminded me that I first downloaded TomEE Plus (1.5.0), had
issues because of the file path issue on Windows machine, found the
solution via google, someone said download TomEE 1.5.1 SNAPSHOT, did that,
and after many answered questions and hours of wanting to make my
newly-migrated CDI-managed-beans-from-JSF-managed-beans web app 'work',
here I am... eagerly wanting TomEE to replace Glassfish (in production),
since Glassfish is not 'easily' allowing me to run my CDI-managed-bean app
with WELD (bundled with Glassfish 3.1.2.2), and Glassfish is not 'easily'
allowing me to use Atmosphere (PrimeFaces Push).
I am happy to report that I am using TomEE 1.5.1 SNAPSHOT in production, on
the production server, and I'm doing my best to make sure the endusers
don't see much of a difference in the performance and reliability of TomEE
(since Glassfish has been reliable and very fast in the past months since
endusers began using the web app).
Just thought I might share that. :)
Howard
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Alex The Rocker <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is TomEE 1.5.1 general availability still targeted and of current week or
> beginning of next week ?
>
> I'm worried, because I still see couple of JIRAs being closed : it doesn't
> look to me like a "only most critical bugs can be fixed because we're in
> final convergence" period...
> ... is there a way to have a firm target for 1.5.1 release?
>
> I still see people who download TomEE 1.5.0 on Windows and just throw it
> with a "it doesn't works". I think only 1 out 1000 people actual bother to
> post to users list and finally get the information that they must use 1.5.1
> SNAPSHOT : TomEE is loosing opportunities, I can't be clearer.
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Alex The Rocker <alex.m3tal@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > @Stephano: well said ! I agree that more frequent release would make it
> > clear that TomEE is alive, as it deserves to be seen !
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM, stx_g <st...@yahoo.it> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi David,
> >>
> >> IMHO a maintenance release should be delivered as soon as possible.
> >>
> >> A two months waiting period - or more - is too much as we are talking
> >> about bugs, not features.
> >>
> >> Moreover I think that, if there are frequent releases out, the hard
> work
> >> of the TomEE team could be appreciate much more.
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Stefano
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/TomEE-1-5-1-release-date-tp4658991p4659037.html
> >> Sent from the OpenEJB User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by Alex The Rocker <al...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
Is TomEE 1.5.1 general availability still targeted and of current week or
beginning of next week ?
I'm worried, because I still see couple of JIRAs being closed : it doesn't
look to me like a "only most critical bugs can be fixed because we're in
final convergence" period...
... is there a way to have a firm target for 1.5.1 release?
I still see people who download TomEE 1.5.0 on Windows and just throw it
with a "it doesn't works". I think only 1 out 1000 people actual bother to
post to users list and finally get the information that they must use 1.5.1
SNAPSHOT : TomEE is loosing opportunities, I can't be clearer.
Alex.
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Alex The Rocker <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
> @Stephano: well said ! I agree that more frequent release would make it
> clear that TomEE is alive, as it deserves to be seen !
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM, stx_g <st...@yahoo.it> wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> IMHO a maintenance release should be delivered as soon as possible.
>>
>> A two months waiting period - or more - is too much as we are talking
>> about bugs, not features.
>>
>> Moreover I think that, if there are frequent releases out, the hard work
>> of the TomEE team could be appreciate much more.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>> -- Stefano
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/TomEE-1-5-1-release-date-tp4658991p4659037.html
>> Sent from the OpenEJB User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>
>
Re: TomEE 1.5.1 release date?
Posted by Alex The Rocker <al...@gmail.com>.
@Stephano: well said ! I agree that more frequent release would make it
clear that TomEE is alive, as it deserves to be seen !
Alex.
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM, stx_g <st...@yahoo.it> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> IMHO a maintenance release should be delivered as soon as possible.
>
> A two months waiting period - or more - is too much as we are talking
> about bugs, not features.
>
> Moreover I think that, if there are frequent releases out, the hard work
> of the TomEE team could be appreciate much more.
>
> Regards.
>
>
> -- Stefano
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/TomEE-1-5-1-release-date-tp4658991p4659037.html
> Sent from the OpenEJB User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>