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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Robert Burrell Donkin <Ro...@appleonline.net> on 2001/01/22 20:51:56 UTC

general@jakarta.apache.org (was Re:library directory)

Hans Bergsten wrote:

> Please ask this type of questions on the Tomcat Users list instead.
> The purpose of the General is described like this on our web site:
>
>   "This is the project general mailing list. This is where ideas,
>    suggestions, and comments are exchanged that deal with the
>    overall Jakarta project. Matters that affect the project as a
>    whole are decided here."
>
> This has not been followed strictly in the past, but you will see
> a lot more discussions of this nature here based on a decision in
> the PMC meeting Tuesday. It's therefore important that user questions
> are directed to the Users list instead.

IMHO...

if this list has become degraded and counterproductive then it put it out of it's
misery.

right or wrong the use of this list as a 'first port of call' is so ingrained that
you'll all have to be extremely rude for a long period if you want to reform it.
during that time, how many potential volunteers will have been scared off or
mortally offended in this time?

has anybody thought about who's going to police the list? moderated lists don't
seem very open to me.
i've often answered questions on this list which should have been asked on other
lists. i think that it is often quicker - and more productive - to provide a little
advice and push people in the appropriate direction than to get into an arguement
about what questions belong on which lists.

why not start a new list (for example policy@jakarta.apache.org) to handle
discussions about the whole project (ie. it's intended use) and get rid of this
list entirely (or find some other use for it which is more in line with how it's
actually been used)?

- robert

(i'm reminded of the parable of the canpas paths. you can't stop students walking
on the grass rather than the path. people will naturally create their own paths. a
wise university rather than placing paths where it thought people would walk, put
no paths across the grass at first. after a few months, they simply put in formal
paths following the paths created by the students. they had no further problems
with students walking on the grass - or so the parabole goes. the relevence is that
whatever the intention was when this lists was created, it now has a life of it's
own and seems - for some unknown reason - to satisfy some public need.)

Re: website (Re: general@jakarta.apache.org)

Posted by Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>.

At 12:56  27/1/01 -0800, Jon Stevens wrote:
>>>> does that mean that a notice will be posted when a change is commited?
>>> 
>>> jakarta-site-cvs-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org
>> 
>> cool!
>> when is this list going to be available? i've tried to subscribe and i'm
>> getting
>> bounced?
>> 
>> - robert
>
>What are you talking about? This list has been available for about 1.5 years
>now. What bounce message?

I believe you gave the wrong address - it is not

jakarta-site-cvs-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org

but

site-cvs-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org


Cheers,

Pete

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