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[LAZY CONSENSUS] single vote thread for NetBeans 17
Hi,
Due to previously discussed issues and delays caused by running
multiple voting threads on the various convenience binaries, we'd like
to try a single voting thread covering all artefacts for NetBeans 17.
We can then review after the release.
Eric and I have put together a vote email template here -
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Voting+template
The primary change is to include a voting form similar to that used by
OpenOffice, to be copied into and filled out with every vote. As well
as voting +1 or -1 on the release, we'll ask you to tick off which
artefacts you've checked with JDK and OS info where appropriate.
Validating the sources will remain a requirement for voting - checking
every convenience binary will not.
Adding as a lazy consensus thread in case anyone wishes to -1 with
concerns before we proceed. +1's welcomed but not required.
We should hopefully be in a position to run the release vote next week.
Thanks and best wishes,
Neil
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] single vote thread for NetBeans 17
Posted by Michael Bien <mb...@gmail.com>.
I like it, so a non-lazy +1 from me.
questions:
The text mentions sig testing but there are no checkboxes for that. This
creates an uncertainly whether or not someone read the manual or skipped
to the boxes.
(also: should I try to automate the sig test in a manually triggered
workflow?)
> |[ ] I have tested the binary zip with <JDK> on <OS>|
> |[ ] I have tested the Maven artefacts|
those are very "catch-all". This could be anything between "i checked
the welcome page" and "i opened some RL <insert language> projects and
worked with the release for the rest of the day". Would a "what I
tested" section be useful or is this just noise? Since I usually
mentioned what I tested in past voting threads - if I don't have to do
this anymore its fine with me of course.
best regards,
michael
On 10.02.23 19:43, Neil C Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Due to previously discussed issues and delays caused by running
> multiple voting threads on the various convenience binaries, we'd like
> to try a single voting thread covering all artefacts for NetBeans 17.
> We can then review after the release.
>
> Eric and I have put together a vote email template here -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Voting+template
>
> The primary change is to include a voting form similar to that used by
> OpenOffice, to be copied into and filled out with every vote. As well
> as voting +1 or -1 on the release, we'll ask you to tick off which
> artefacts you've checked with JDK and OS info where appropriate.
> Validating the sources will remain a requirement for voting - checking
> every convenience binary will not.
>
> Adding as a lazy consensus thread in case anyone wishes to -1 with
> concerns before we proceed. +1's welcomed but not required.
>
> We should hopefully be in a position to run the release vote next week.
>
> Thanks and best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] single vote thread for NetBeans 17
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
+1
I like when ideas are given a chance.
On 2/10/23 10:43, Neil C Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Due to previously discussed issues and delays caused by running
> multiple voting threads on the various convenience binaries, we'd like
> to try a single voting thread covering all artefacts for NetBeans 17.
> We can then review after the release.
>
> Eric and I have put together a vote email template here -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Voting+template
>
> The primary change is to include a voting form similar to that used by
> OpenOffice, to be copied into and filled out with every vote. As well
> as voting +1 or -1 on the release, we'll ask you to tick off which
> artefacts you've checked with JDK and OS info where appropriate.
> Validating the sources will remain a requirement for voting - checking
> every convenience binary will not.
>
> Adding as a lazy consensus thread in case anyone wishes to -1 with
> concerns before we proceed. +1's welcomed but not required.
>
> We should hopefully be in a position to run the release vote next week.
>
> Thanks and best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] single vote thread for NetBeans 17
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net.INVALID>.
+1
In fact, let's make this a big +1:
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On 10/2/23 19:43, Neil C Smith wrote:
> Due to previously discussed issues and delays caused by running
> multiple voting threads on the various convenience binaries, we'd like
> to try a single voting thread covering all artefacts for NetBeans 17.
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] single vote thread for NetBeans 17
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
OK, closing this off as decided. Thanks all! Vote thread is inbound
and on approach.
Neil
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 at 08:03, ehsavoie <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1
> ----------
> Emmanuel Hugonnet
> http://www.ehsavoie.com
> http://twitter.com/ehsavoie
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 7:24 AM Thilina Ranathunga <r....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It's a +1 for me.
> >
> > 🙂
> >
> > --
> > Thilina01
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 12:14 AM Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Due to previously discussed issues and delays caused by running
> > > multiple voting threads on the various convenience binaries, we'd like
> > > to try a single voting thread covering all artefacts for NetBeans 17.
> > > We can then review after the release.
> > >
> > > Eric and I have put together a vote email template here -
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Voting+template
> > >
> > > The primary change is to include a voting form similar to that used by
> > > OpenOffice, to be copied into and filled out with every vote. As well
> > > as voting +1 or -1 on the release, we'll ask you to tick off which
> > > artefacts you've checked with JDK and OS info where appropriate.
> > > Validating the sources will remain a requirement for voting - checking
> > > every convenience binary will not.
> > >
> > > Adding as a lazy consensus thread in case anyone wishes to -1 with
> > > concerns before we proceed. +1's welcomed but not required.
> > >
> > > We should hopefully be in a position to run the release vote next week.
> > >
> > > Thanks and best wishes,
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] single vote thread for NetBeans 17
Posted by ehsavoie <em...@gmail.com>.
+1
----------
Emmanuel Hugonnet
http://www.ehsavoie.com
http://twitter.com/ehsavoie
On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 7:24 AM Thilina Ranathunga <r....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> It's a +1 for me.
>
> 🙂
>
> --
> Thilina01
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 12:14 AM Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Due to previously discussed issues and delays caused by running
> > multiple voting threads on the various convenience binaries, we'd like
> > to try a single voting thread covering all artefacts for NetBeans 17.
> > We can then review after the release.
> >
> > Eric and I have put together a vote email template here -
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Voting+template
> >
> > The primary change is to include a voting form similar to that used by
> > OpenOffice, to be copied into and filled out with every vote. As well
> > as voting +1 or -1 on the release, we'll ask you to tick off which
> > artefacts you've checked with JDK and OS info where appropriate.
> > Validating the sources will remain a requirement for voting - checking
> > every convenience binary will not.
> >
> > Adding as a lazy consensus thread in case anyone wishes to -1 with
> > concerns before we proceed. +1's welcomed but not required.
> >
> > We should hopefully be in a position to run the release vote next week.
> >
> > Thanks and best wishes,
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] single vote thread for NetBeans 17
Posted by Thilina Ranathunga <r....@gmail.com>.
It's a +1 for me.
🙂
--
Thilina01
On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 12:14 AM Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Due to previously discussed issues and delays caused by running
> multiple voting threads on the various convenience binaries, we'd like
> to try a single voting thread covering all artefacts for NetBeans 17.
> We can then review after the release.
>
> Eric and I have put together a vote email template here -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Voting+template
>
> The primary change is to include a voting form similar to that used by
> OpenOffice, to be copied into and filled out with every vote. As well
> as voting +1 or -1 on the release, we'll ask you to tick off which
> artefacts you've checked with JDK and OS info where appropriate.
> Validating the sources will remain a requirement for voting - checking
> every convenience binary will not.
>
> Adding as a lazy consensus thread in case anyone wishes to -1 with
> concerns before we proceed. +1's welcomed but not required.
>
> We should hopefully be in a position to run the release vote next week.
>
> Thanks and best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] single vote thread for NetBeans 17
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 at 20:27, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net.invalid> wrote:
> I have voted using the template, I think we should rephrase it somewhow.
> It's too verbose to clearly understand.
Thanks. Will respond in the existing discussion thread about this -
https://lists.apache.org/thread/5y8x2rtx1r6k4cbx7wyqvdm1qkhm0vzs
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] single vote thread for NetBeans 17
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net.INVALID>.
Hi,
I have voted using the template, I think we should rephrase it somewhow.
It's too verbose to clearly understand.
Maybe next time we want to clarify what are mandatory actions (should I
check signatures of the main thing being voted on? Any others?) and
optional ones.
A clear checklist would indeed help, something like this:
[ ] Mandatory: Check that https://...../netbeans.zip is well signed.
1. Download https://...KEYS.
2. Use "gpg --import KEYS" to import gpt keys.
3. Download https://....netbeans.asc
4. Verify using "gpg --verify netbeans.asc netbeans.zip"
[ ] Mandatory: Check that netbeans.zip compiles
1. Unzip netbeans.zip somewhere.
2. Run "ant" there.
3. Run "ant tryme" there.
[ ] Optional: Build a Maven app to print "Hello, World!" to the console
1. You know how to do this.
Or something like that.
The easier we make this to understand for friday-night, very-tired,
eyestrained voters the more the voters we're gonna have.
Cheers,
Antonio
P.S.: I don't know how to test maven artifacts / vscode. Can take a look
at the generated files, though.
On 10/2/23 19:43, Neil C Smith wrote:
> Eric and I have put together a vote email template here -
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Voting+template
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