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Posted to user@openmeetings.apache.org by George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au> on 2012/11/19 22:59:51 UTC
SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi Sebastian,
I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
"test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application and verify that selecting
"useEchoSuppression" and "use Enhanced Microphone" options really does
make a great difference in reducing echo.
Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.
I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has
no internal hardware echo cancellation features.
After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to
run test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to
verify the effectiveness of this echo test;
1) Test 1 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
2) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
OpenMeetings server
3) Leave "useEchoSuppression" and "Use Enhanced Microphone" enabled
4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's
menu, select "Settings...", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is selected in
the microphone tab.
5) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
6) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
7) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving
my broadcasted my video and sound
8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself
via the speakers in the laptop.
9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my
voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being
picked up by the laptop's inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed
echo.
10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my
voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web
browser.
11) Test 2 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
12) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
OpenMeetings server
13) I uncheck "useEchoSuppression" and uncheck "Use Enhanced
Microphone" enabled
14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's menu,
select "Settings...", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is still selected in
the microphone tab.
15) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
16) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
17) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving my
broadcasted my video and sound
18) As soon as I select "playBroadCast", the most dreadful squealing
echo starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.
19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost
unheard, the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the
volume up where it is useful, the echo returns.
Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.
Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
activated.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
T: (02) 6120 1600
F: (02) 6273 7181
E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
W: www.co2crc.com.au
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
To: George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC)
in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi George/Joseph,
I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets
and a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
testing application:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Te
sting+Application+Standalone
Basically you simply copy:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singleweba
pp/WebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
To:
$RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
a) Then navigate with your browser to:
http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
Open a second browser on another machine:
a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
course!) => play
This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
reconnect.
Sebastian
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Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Posted by Daniel Ascher <da...@aplustutoring.com>.
Sounds like good news!
Dan
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com> wrote:
> Sebastian:****
>
> ** **
>
> I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a
> bit more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this
> in production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could
> simply include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for
> all to formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on
> how to put this into a working OM instance, I’d be happy to add the code to
> our test system and then test with a live OM system.****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks so much for working on this.****
>
> Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo <http://www.jellvideo.com/> |
> www.jellnet.com | [image: 3psquare93x77] ****
>
> *Jell Networks, Inc**. *
>
> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
> *To:* seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi Sebastian,****
>
> ** **
>
> I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
> “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application and verify that selecting “*
> useEchoSuppression*” and “*use Enhanced Microphone*” options *really does
> make a great difference in reducing echo.*
>
> ** **
>
> Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
> current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.****
>
> ** **
>
> I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has
> no internal hardware echo cancellation features.****
>
> ** **
>
> After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to
> run test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify
> the effectiveness of this echo test;****
>
> ** **
>
> **1) ***Test 1* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>
> **2) **In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
> OpenMeetings server****
>
> **3) **Leave “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone”
> enabled****
>
> **4) **Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s
> menu, select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is selected in the
> microphone tab.****
>
> **5) **Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>
> **6) **Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and
> sound****
>
> **7) **Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start
> receiving my broadcasted my video and sound****
>
> **8) **There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself
> via the speakers in the laptop.****
>
> **9) **I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of
> my voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being
> picked up by the laptop’s inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed
> echo.****
>
> **10) **Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear
> my voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.
> ****
>
> **11) ***Test 2* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>
> **12) **In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
> OpenMeetings server****
>
> **13) **I uncheck “useEchoSuppression” and uncheck “Use Enhanced
> Microphone” enabled****
>
> **14) **Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s
> menu, select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is still selected
> in the microphone tab. ****
>
> **15) **Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>
> **16) **Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound
> ****
>
> **17) **Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving
> my broadcasted my video and sound****
>
> **18) **As soon as I select “playBroadCast”, the most dreadful
> squealing echo starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.****
>
> **19) **If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost
> unheard, the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume
> up where it is useful, the echo returns.****
>
> ** **
>
> Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.****
>
> ** **
>
> Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
> activated.****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ** **
>
> George Kirkham****
>
> ** **
>
> IT Manager****
>
> Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC) ****
>
> NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia****
>
> T: (02) 6120 1600****
>
> F: (02) 6273 7181****
>
> E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au, ****
>
> W: www.co2crc.com.au****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com<se...@gmail.com>]
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
> *To:* George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation
> (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi George/Joseph,
>
> I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
> settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
>
> I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets
> and a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
>
> Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
> testing application:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
>
> Basically you simply copy:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/WebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
>
> To:
> $RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
>
> a) Then navigate with your browser to:
> http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
> c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
>
> Open a second browser on another machine:
> a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
> c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
> course!) => play
>
> This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
>
> To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
> reconnect.
>
> Sebastian
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com****
>
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Re: Error in Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Posted by Vincenzo Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>.
Why when I test application the image of webcam is inverted?
I have this problem on all my computers.
I guess that this is a problem of flash...
Someone know how fix it?
Vincenzo
2012/12/7 Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com>
> Sebastian:
>
>
>
> I loaded the test app into our test environment. It runs a recent build.
> I
> cannot get the play broadcast to work. When I click "play broadcast" I get
> this error.
>
>
>
> ERROR @test-setup.lzx?173: ArgumentError: Error #2126
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | <http://www.jellvideo.com/> JellVideo |
> <http://www.jellnet.com/> www.jellnet.com | 3psquare93x77
>
> Jell Networks, Inc.
>
> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions
>
>
>
> From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:16 PM
> Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings Raju
>
>
>
> Sebastian, Vincenzo, Raju,
>
>
>
> I did find a few small problems when testing with the
> "test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application.
>
>
>
> 1) I was able to successfully test using a single PC by broadcasting
> on
> "stream1" and receiving on "stream1". That is on my test PC I would
> broadcast on "stream1" and then also receive on "stream1" using the same
> PC.
> This worked well for testing the AEC feature.
>
> 2) It seems that it does not matter what I name the two streams for
> the
> Broadcast and Playback, e.g. stream1 & stream1 or stream1 & stream2 or
> George & Tony, the test application simply connects the BroadCast stream to
> the Play-Broadcast stream on the same PC, regardless of what I name the
> streams. I cannot connect the Play-Broadcast stream of one PC to the
> steam
> started on another PC.
>
> 3) As reported above in step 2, when I attempted to use two PCs, for a
> 1:1 communications I was not able to do this, maybe I did not understand
> how
> to do this?. I could only send and receive on the same PC, I was not able
> to do the following;
> Send from PC1 on "stream1"
> Receive on PC2 on "stream1"
> Send from PC2 on "stream2"
> Receive on PC 1 on "stream2"
>
> What happened is that the playback on PC1 would only receive the stream
> that
> it is sending, that is "stream1", no matter what I called the
> "playBroadCast" stream name.
>
> 4) I also found that, as mentioned in Sebastian's instructions, if I
> ever stoped the broadcast or the playback, I had to close the browser and
> then try again, if I was to be able to receive the broadcast again. Thus
> between testing with "userEchoSuppression" turned on and then testing with
> it turned off, I had to close the browser and reset up the test (no problem
> doing this, just shows that the code does not fully close and restart the
> connection).
>
> 5) While I used the server's domain name in the web browser's URL, I
> had believed that I had to use the actual IP address of the domain name in
> the "test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" own URL: field, but this understanding was
> incorrect, I was also able to use the server's domain name in the URL:
> field. And once again, without the options "useEchoSuppression" and "Use
> Enhanced Microphone" checked, the echo is very bad, but when running the
> tests with the default of these options selected, the echo is greatly
> reduced on a laptop that does not have any hardware AEC features, and when
> using the internal speakers and microphone.
>
>
>
> Below is the "Laszlo Debugger" log output from my test server. If you want
> to test with my server, you can connect with
> http://www.goproject.info:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf but I
> the bandwidth is limited. Occasionally I get bandwidth warning messages in
> the log file.
>
>
>
> connectRtmpConnection URL: rtmp://59.167.79.92:1935/openmeetings/testscope
>
> setId 65
>
> devrtmpconnection <<anonymous extends='canvas'>#2#1| #canvas> _onStatus
> NetConnection.Connect.Success
>
> <flash.media::MicrophoneEnhancedOptions#3| {}>
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Publish.Start <flash.net::NetStream#4|
> [object NetStream]>
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Reset <flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]>
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Start <flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]>
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Video.DimensionChange
> <flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.InsufficientBW
> <flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Pause.Notify <flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]>
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Stop <flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object
> NetStream]>
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Buffer.Flush <flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]>
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Unpublish.Success <flash.net:
> :NetStream#4|
> [object NetStream]>
>
> lzx> Debug.inspect([object NetStream])
>
> <flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
>
> <flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
>
> lzx>
>
>
>
> If anyone has more information about how to use the
> "test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application or makes modifications, I would like
> to do further testing, for example a test between two to four users/PCs,
> though Joseph's comment about integrating this into Openmeetings would give
> the greatest flexibility for testing. I would suggest having just one admin
> setting to turn on or off the use of all AEC features, e.g. both
> "useEchoSuppression" and "Use Enhanced Microphone". Personally I would
> just
> have these items turned on permanently in the code with no options.
>
>
>
> If anyone can explain to me what the "Adobe Flash Player Settings" "Reduce
> Echo" option actually does, I would be very interested to know. That is
> how
> this setting integrates with a Flash application's code, like in
> Openmeetings.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> George Kirkham
>
>
>
> From: Vincenzo M. Raimondo [mailto:vincent.raimondo@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 4:05 AM
> To: seba.wagner@gmail.com
> Cc: Joseph Karwat; George Kirkham; openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> I'm finding just these ActionScript3 docs. thank you Sebastian
>
> There is the source code of test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ? If is possible, I
> would work on this test.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> From: seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:26 PM
>
> To: Vincenzo M. Raimondo <ma...@gmail.com>
>
> Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ; George Kirkham
> <ma...@co2crc.com.au> ; Joseph Karwat
> <ma...@jellnet.com>
>
> Subject: Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> thanks for testing this, its actually pretty hard to test this locally and
> with my equipment.
>
> About the questions:
> @Joseph: Actually there are already instructions online. You can put this
> testing SWF into any production OpenMeetings instance. There is no need to
> restart Red5 or anything.
> See:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testin
> g+Application+Standalone
>
> @Raju: Yes I guess we will make a SWF11 runtime available :)
>
> @Vincenzo Actually this is what we have build the Testing application for.
> See the link above how to get it. It is rather easy to set up.
> To see what options you could add on top please refer to the ActionScript3
> docs.
> See:
>
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/flash/med
> ia/MicrophoneEnhancedMode.html
>
> Sebastian
>
>
>
> 2012/11/20 Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> I'm following with much interest thi test application.
>
> I preface that I not test it yet.
>
> I have two questions about this:
>
> There is possibility to assess whether the echo cancellation can be made
> better by passing some parameters specific to the functions that implement
> it ?
>
> You can customize the echo cancellation on the basis of experimental tests
> carried out in the specific scenario in which the web conference work?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> From: Joseph Karwat <ma...@jellnet.com>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:02 AM
>
> To: 'George Kirkham' <ma...@co2crc.com.au> ;
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
> Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>
> Subject: RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
>
>
>
> Sebastian:
>
>
>
> I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a bit
> more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this in
> production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could simply
> include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for all to
> formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on how to
> put
> this into a working OM instance, I'd be happy to add the code to our test
> system and then test with a live OM system.
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for working on this.
>
> Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | <http://www.jellvideo.com/> JellVideo |
> <http://www.jellnet.com/> www.jellnet.com |
>
> Jell Networks, Inc.
>
> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
> To: seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
> Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation
> (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
>
>
>
> Hi Sebastian,
>
>
>
> I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
> "test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application and verify that selecting
> "useEchoSuppression" and "use Enhanced Microphone" options really does make
> a great difference in reducing echo.
>
>
>
> Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
> current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.
>
>
>
> I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has no
> internal hardware echo cancellation features.
>
>
>
> After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to
> run
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify the
> effectiveness of this echo test;
>
>
>
> 1) Test 1 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
>
> 2) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
> OpenMeetings server
>
> 3) Leave "useEchoSuppression" and "Use Enhanced Microphone" enabled
>
> 4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's menu,
> select "Settings:", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is selected in the
> microphone tab.
>
> 5) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
>
> 6) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
>
> 7) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving my
> broadcasted my video and sound
>
> 8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself via
> the speakers in the laptop.
>
> 9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my
> voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being
> picked
> up by the laptop's inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed echo.
>
> 10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my
> voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.
>
> 11) Test 2 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
>
> 12) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
> OpenMeetings server
>
> 13) I uncheck "useEchoSuppression" and uncheck "Use Enhanced Microphone"
> enabled
>
> 14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's menu,
> select "Settings:", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is still selected in the
> microphone tab.
>
> 15) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
>
> 16) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
>
> 17) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving my
> broadcasted my video and sound
>
> 18) As soon as I select "playBroadCast", the most dreadful squealing echo
> starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.
>
> 19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost unheard,
> the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume up where
> it is useful, the echo returns.
>
>
>
> Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.
>
>
>
> Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
> activated.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> George Kirkham
>
>
>
> IT Manager
>
> Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
>
> NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
>
> T: (02) 6120 1600 <tel:%2802%29%206120%201600>
>
> F: (02) 6273 7181 <tel:%2802%29%206273%207181>
>
> E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
>
> W: www.co2crc.com.au
>
>
>
>
>
> From: seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
> To: George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
> Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in
> SWF11 in OpenMeetings
>
>
>
> Hi George/Joseph,
>
> I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
> settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
>
> I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets
> and
> a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
>
> Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
> testing application:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testin
> g+Application+Standalone
>
> Basically you simply copy:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/W
> ebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
>
> To:
> $RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
>
> a) Then navigate with your browser to:
> http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
> c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
>
> Open a second browser on another machine:
> a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
> c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
> course!) => play
>
> This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
>
> To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
> reconnect.
>
> Sebastian
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> <https://twitter.com/#%21/dead_lock> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> <http://www.webbase-design.de> http://www.webbase-design.de
> <http://www.wagner-sebastian.com> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> <ma...@gmail.com> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> <https://twitter.com/#%21/dead_lock> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> <http://www.webbase-design.de> http://www.webbase-design.de
> <http://www.wagner-sebastian.com> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> <ma...@gmail.com> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
>
Error in Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Posted by Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com>.
Sebastian:
I loaded the test app into our test environment. It runs a recent build. I
cannot get the play broadcast to work. When I click "play broadcast" I get
this error.
ERROR @test-setup.lzx?173: ArgumentError: Error #2126
Thanks
Joseph
Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | <http://www.jellvideo.com/> JellVideo |
<http://www.jellnet.com/> www.jellnet.com | 3psquare93x77
Jell Networks, Inc.
Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions
From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:16 PM
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings Raju
Sebastian, Vincenzo, Raju,
I did find a few small problems when testing with the
"test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application.
1) I was able to successfully test using a single PC by broadcasting on
"stream1" and receiving on "stream1". That is on my test PC I would
broadcast on "stream1" and then also receive on "stream1" using the same PC.
This worked well for testing the AEC feature.
2) It seems that it does not matter what I name the two streams for the
Broadcast and Playback, e.g. stream1 & stream1 or stream1 & stream2 or
George & Tony, the test application simply connects the BroadCast stream to
the Play-Broadcast stream on the same PC, regardless of what I name the
streams. I cannot connect the Play-Broadcast stream of one PC to the steam
started on another PC.
3) As reported above in step 2, when I attempted to use two PCs, for a
1:1 communications I was not able to do this, maybe I did not understand how
to do this?. I could only send and receive on the same PC, I was not able
to do the following;
Send from PC1 on "stream1"
Receive on PC2 on "stream1"
Send from PC2 on "stream2"
Receive on PC 1 on "stream2"
What happened is that the playback on PC1 would only receive the stream that
it is sending, that is "stream1", no matter what I called the
"playBroadCast" stream name.
4) I also found that, as mentioned in Sebastian's instructions, if I
ever stoped the broadcast or the playback, I had to close the browser and
then try again, if I was to be able to receive the broadcast again. Thus
between testing with "userEchoSuppression" turned on and then testing with
it turned off, I had to close the browser and reset up the test (no problem
doing this, just shows that the code does not fully close and restart the
connection).
5) While I used the server's domain name in the web browser's URL, I
had believed that I had to use the actual IP address of the domain name in
the "test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" own URL: field, but this understanding was
incorrect, I was also able to use the server's domain name in the URL:
field. And once again, without the options "useEchoSuppression" and "Use
Enhanced Microphone" checked, the echo is very bad, but when running the
tests with the default of these options selected, the echo is greatly
reduced on a laptop that does not have any hardware AEC features, and when
using the internal speakers and microphone.
Below is the "Laszlo Debugger" log output from my test server. If you want
to test with my server, you can connect with
http://www.goproject.info:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf but I
the bandwidth is limited. Occasionally I get bandwidth warning messages in
the log file.
connectRtmpConnection URL: rtmp://59.167.79.92:1935/openmeetings/testscope
setId 65
devrtmpconnection <<anonymous extends='canvas'>#2#1| #canvas> _onStatus
NetConnection.Connect.Success
<flash.media::MicrophoneEnhancedOptions#3| {}>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Publish.Start <flash.net::NetStream#4|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Reset <flash.net::NetStream#5|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Start <flash.net::NetStream#5|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Video.DimensionChange
<flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.InsufficientBW
<flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Pause.Notify <flash.net::NetStream#5|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Stop <flash.net::NetStream#5| [object
NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Buffer.Flush <flash.net::NetStream#5|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Unpublish.Success <flash.net::NetStream#4|
[object NetStream]>
lzx> Debug.inspect([object NetStream])
<flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
<flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
lzx>
If anyone has more information about how to use the
"test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application or makes modifications, I would like
to do further testing, for example a test between two to four users/PCs,
though Joseph's comment about integrating this into Openmeetings would give
the greatest flexibility for testing. I would suggest having just one admin
setting to turn on or off the use of all AEC features, e.g. both
"useEchoSuppression" and "Use Enhanced Microphone". Personally I would just
have these items turned on permanently in the code with no options.
If anyone can explain to me what the "Adobe Flash Player Settings" "Reduce
Echo" option actually does, I would be very interested to know. That is how
this setting integrates with a Flash application's code, like in
Openmeetings.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: Vincenzo M. Raimondo [mailto:vincent.raimondo@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 4:05 AM
To: seba.wagner@gmail.com
Cc: Joseph Karwat; George Kirkham; openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi
I'm finding just these ActionScript3 docs. thank you Sebastian
There is the source code of test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ? If is possible, I
would work on this test.
Thanks
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:26 PM
To: Vincenzo M. Raimondo <ma...@gmail.com>
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ; George Kirkham
<ma...@co2crc.com.au> ; Joseph Karwat
<ma...@jellnet.com>
Subject: Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi,
thanks for testing this, its actually pretty hard to test this locally and
with my equipment.
About the questions:
@Joseph: Actually there are already instructions online. You can put this
testing SWF into any production OpenMeetings instance. There is no need to
restart Red5 or anything.
See:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testin
g+Application+Standalone
@Raju: Yes I guess we will make a SWF11 runtime available :)
@Vincenzo Actually this is what we have build the Testing application for.
See the link above how to get it. It is rather easy to set up.
To see what options you could add on top please refer to the ActionScript3
docs.
See:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/flash/med
ia/MicrophoneEnhancedMode.html
Sebastian
2012/11/20 Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>
Hi
I'm following with much interest thi test application.
I preface that I not test it yet.
I have two questions about this:
There is possibility to assess whether the echo cancellation can be made
better by passing some parameters specific to the functions that implement
it ?
You can customize the echo cancellation on the basis of experimental tests
carried out in the specific scenario in which the web conference work?
Thanks
From: Joseph Karwat <ma...@jellnet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:02 AM
To: 'George Kirkham' <ma...@co2crc.com.au> ;
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Sebastian:
I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a bit
more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this in
production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could simply
include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for all to
formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on how to put
this into a working OM instance, I'd be happy to add the code to our test
system and then test with a live OM system.
Thanks so much for working on this.
Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | <http://www.jellvideo.com/> JellVideo |
<http://www.jellnet.com/> www.jellnet.com |
Jell Networks, Inc.
Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions
From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
To: seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation
(AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi Sebastian,
I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
"test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application and verify that selecting
"useEchoSuppression" and "use Enhanced Microphone" options really does make
a great difference in reducing echo.
Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.
I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has no
internal hardware echo cancellation features.
After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to run
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify the
effectiveness of this echo test;
1) Test 1 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
2) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
OpenMeetings server
3) Leave "useEchoSuppression" and "Use Enhanced Microphone" enabled
4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's menu,
select "Settings:", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is selected in the
microphone tab.
5) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
6) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
7) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving my
broadcasted my video and sound
8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself via
the speakers in the laptop.
9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my
voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being picked
up by the laptop's inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed echo.
10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my
voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.
11) Test 2 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
12) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
OpenMeetings server
13) I uncheck "useEchoSuppression" and uncheck "Use Enhanced Microphone"
enabled
14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's menu,
select "Settings:", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is still selected in the
microphone tab.
15) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
16) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
17) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving my
broadcasted my video and sound
18) As soon as I select "playBroadCast", the most dreadful squealing echo
starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.
19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost unheard,
the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume up where
it is useful, the echo returns.
Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.
Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
activated.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
T: (02) 6120 1600 <tel:%2802%29%206120%201600>
F: (02) 6273 7181 <tel:%2802%29%206273%207181>
E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
W: www.co2crc.com.au
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
To: George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in
SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi George/Joseph,
I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets and
a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
testing application:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testin
g+Application+Standalone
Basically you simply copy:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/W
ebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
To:
$RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
a) Then navigate with your browser to:
http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
Open a second browser on another machine:
a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
course!) => play
This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
reconnect.
Sebastian
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Re: Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC)
in SWF11 in OpenMeetings Raju
Posted by Vincenzo Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>.
Hi
If you are interested you can test my modified application test for compare
AEC.
This work as standard application test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf:
- Copy mytest-setup.lzx.swf11.swf. in your
local:$RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
- You can then access it with:
http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/mytest-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
- (localhost of course needs to be replaced if you run your red5 server
in the network).
In this application test I have added:
- Configuration options for enhanced audio (needed for acoustic echo
cancellation).
- Select the codec to use for compressing audio. Available codecs are
Nellymoser and Speex (the default)
- Select mode HEADSET when both parties are using headsets. Acoustic
echo cancellation operates in low-echo mode. This mode requires the least
amount of computing power.
Link Download:
mytest-setup.lzx.swf11.swf<http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14152853/mytest-setup.lzx.swf11.swf>
Bye
Link Download:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14152853/mytest-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
mytest-setup.lzx.swf11.swf<http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14152853/mytest-setup.lzx.swf11.swf>
2012/12/13 Vincenzo Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>
> Hi everyone,
> I have tested the app for little time, but I don't understand why none
> microphone does work with the browser Google Chrome.
> Instead with Mozilla Firefox all mic i have used works very well.
>
> Sebastian this is the last version of test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ?
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/WebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx?view=log&pathrev=1397817
>
>
>
>
> 2012/12/6 Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com>
>
>> Sebastian:****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I loaded the test app into our test environment. It runs a recent
>> build. I cannot get the play broadcast to work. When I click “play
>> broadcast” I get this error.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ERROR @test-setup.lzx≈173: ArgumentError: Error #2126****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Joseph****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo <http://www.jellvideo.com/> |
>> www.jellnet.com | [image: 3psquare93x77] ****
>>
>> *Jell Networks, Inc**. *
>>
>> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:16 PM
>> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
>> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings Raju****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Sebastian, Vincenzo, Raju,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I did find a few small problems when testing with the “
>> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> **1) **I was able to successfully test using a single PC by
>> broadcasting on “stream1” and receiving on “stream1”. That is on my test PC
>> I would broadcast on “stream1” and then also receive on “stream1” using the
>> same PC. This worked well for testing the AEC feature.****
>>
>> **2) **It seems that it does not matter what I name the two streams
>> for the Broadcast and Playback, e.g. stream1 & stream1 or stream1 & stream2
>> or George & Tony, the test application simply connects the BroadCast stream
>> to the Play-Broadcast stream on the same PC, regardless of what I name the
>> streams. I cannot connect the Play-Broadcast stream of one PC to the
>> steam started on another PC.****
>>
>> **3) **As reported above in step 2, when I attempted to use two
>> PCs, for a 1:1 communications I was not able to do this, maybe I did not
>> understand how to do this?. I could only send and receive on the same PC,
>> I was not able to do the following;
>> Send from PC1 on “stream1”
>> Receive on PC2 on “stream1”
>> Send from PC2 on “stream2”
>> Receive on PC 1 on “stream2”
>>
>> What happened is that the playback on PC1 would only receive the stream
>> that it is sending, that is “stream1”, no matter what I called the
>> “playBroadCast” stream name.****
>>
>> **4) **I also found that, as mentioned in Sebastian’s instructions,
>> if I ever stoped the broadcast or the playback, I had to close the browser
>> and then try again, if I was to be able to receive the broadcast again.
>> Thus between testing with “userEchoSuppression” turned on and then testing
>> with it turned off, I had to close the browser and reset up the test (no
>> problem doing this, just shows that the code does not fully close and
>> restart the connection).****
>>
>> **5) **While I used the server’s domain name in the web browser’s
>> URL, I had believed that I had to use the actual IP address of the domain
>> name in the “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” own URL: field, but this
>> understanding was incorrect, I was also able to use the server’s domain
>> name in the URL: field. And once again, without the options
>> “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone” checked, the echo is
>> very bad, but when running the tests with the default of these options
>> selected, the echo is *greatly* reduced *on a laptop that does not have
>> any hardware AEC features*, and when using the internal speakers and
>> microphone.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Below is the “Laszlo Debugger” log output from my test server. If you
>> want to test with my server, you can connect with
>> http://www.goproject.info:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf but
>> I the bandwidth is limited. Occasionally I get bandwidth warning messages
>> in the log file.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> connectRtmpConnection URL: *rtmp://
>> 59.167.79.92:1935/openmeetings/testscope* ****
>>
>> setId 65 ****
>>
>> devrtmpconnection «<anonymous extends='canvas'>#2#1| #canvas» _onStatus
>> NetConnection.Connect.Success ****
>>
>> «flash.media::MicrophoneEnhancedOptions#3| {}» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Publish.Start «flash.net::NetStream#4|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Reset «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Start «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Video.DimensionChange «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.InsufficientBW «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Pause.Notify «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Stop «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Buffer.Flush «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Unpublish.Success «flash.net::NetStream#4|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> lzx> Debug.inspect([object NetStream]) ****
>>
>> «flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> «flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> lzx>****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If anyone has more information about how to use the “
>> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application or makes modifications, I would
>> like to do further testing, for example a test between two to four
>> users/PCs, though Joseph’s comment about integrating this into Openmeetings
>> would give the greatest flexibility for testing. I would suggest having
>> just one admin setting to turn on or off the use of all AEC features, e.g.
>> both “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone”. Personally I
>> would just have these items turned on permanently in the code with no
>> options.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If anyone can explain to me what the “Adobe Flash Player Settings”
>> “Reduce Echo” option actually does, I would be very interested to know.
>> That is how this setting integrates with a Flash application’s code, like
>> in Openmeetings.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> George Kirkham****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Vincenzo M. Raimondo [mailto:vincent.raimondo@gmail.com<vi...@gmail.com>]
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 November 2012 4:05 AM
>> *To:* seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> *Cc:* Joseph Karwat; George Kirkham;
>> openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
>> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hi****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I'm finding just these ActionScript3 docs. thank you Sebastian****
>>
>> There is the source code of test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ? If is possible, I
>> would work on this test.****
>>
>> Thanks****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* seba.wagner@gmail.com ****
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:26 PM****
>>
>> *To:* Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com> ****
>>
>> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ; George Kirkham<gk...@co2crc.com.au>; Joseph
>> Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com> ****
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
>> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> thanks for testing this, its actually pretty hard to test this locally
>> and with my equipment.
>>
>> About the questions:
>> @Joseph: Actually there are already instructions online. You can put this
>> testing SWF into any production OpenMeetings instance. There is no need to
>> restart Red5 or anything.
>> See:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
>>
>> @Raju: Yes I guess we will make a SWF11 runtime available :)
>>
>> @Vincenzo Actually this is what we have build the Testing application for.
>> See the link above how to get it. It is rather easy to set up.
>> To see what options you could add on top please refer to the
>> ActionScript3 docs.
>> See:
>> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/flash/media/MicrophoneEnhancedMode.html
>>
>> Sebastian****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 2012/11/20 Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Hi****
>>
>> I'm following with much interest thi test application.****
>>
>> I preface that I not test it yet.****
>>
>> I have two questions about this:****
>>
>> There is possibility to assess whether the echo cancellation can be made
>> better by passing some parameters specific to the functions that implement
>> it ?****
>>
>> You can customize the echo cancellation on the basis of experimental
>> tests carried out in the specific scenario in which the web conference work?
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Thanks****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com> ****
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:02 AM****
>>
>> *To:* 'George Kirkham' <gk...@co2crc.com.au> ; seba.wagner@gmail.com *
>> ***
>>
>> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ;
>> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org ****
>>
>> *Subject:* RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
>> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Sebastian:****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a
>> bit more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this
>> in production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could
>> simply include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for
>> all to formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on
>> how to put this into a working OM instance, I’d be happy to add the code to
>> our test system and then test with a live OM system.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Thanks so much for working on this.****
>>
>> Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo <http://www.jellvideo.com/> |
>> www.jellnet.com | ****
>>
>> *Jell Networks, Inc**. *****
>>
>> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
>> *To:* seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
>> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
>> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
>> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Hi Sebastian,****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
>> “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application and verify that selecting “*
>> useEchoSuppression*” and “*use Enhanced Microphone*” options *really
>> does make a great difference in reducing echo.*****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
>> current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has
>> no internal hardware echo cancellation features.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to
>> run test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify
>> the effectiveness of this echo test;****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> 1) *Test 1* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
>> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>>
>> 2) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
>> OpenMeetings server****
>>
>> 3) Leave “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone” enabled*
>> ***
>>
>> 4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s
>> menu, select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is selected in the
>> microphone tab.****
>>
>> 5) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>>
>> 6) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound*
>> ***
>>
>> 7) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving
>> my broadcasted my video and sound****
>>
>> 8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself
>> via the speakers in the laptop.****
>>
>> 9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my
>> voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being
>> picked up by the laptop’s inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed
>> echo.****
>>
>> 10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my
>> voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.
>> ****
>>
>> 11) *Test 2* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
>> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>>
>> 12) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
>> OpenMeetings server****
>>
>> 13) I uncheck “useEchoSuppression” and uncheck “Use Enhanced
>> Microphone” enabled****
>>
>> 14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s menu,
>> select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is still selected in the
>> microphone tab. ****
>>
>> 15) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>>
>> 16) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound***
>> *
>>
>> 17) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving my
>> broadcasted my video and sound****
>>
>> 18) As soon as I select “playBroadCast”, the most dreadful squealing
>> echo starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.****
>>
>> 19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost
>> unheard, the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume
>> up where it is useful, the echo returns.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
>> activated.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Thanks,****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> George Kirkham****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> IT Manager****
>>
>> Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC) ****
>>
>> NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia****
>>
>> T: (02) 6120 1600****
>>
>> F: (02) 6273 7181****
>>
>> E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au, ****
>>
>> W: www.co2crc.com.au****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com<se...@gmail.com>]
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
>> *To:* George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
>> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
>> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation
>> (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Hi George/Joseph,
>>
>> I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
>> settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
>>
>> I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets
>> and a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
>>
>> Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
>> testing application:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
>>
>> Basically you simply copy:
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/WebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
>>
>> To:
>> $RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
>>
>> a) Then navigate with your browser to:
>> http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
>> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
>> c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
>>
>> Open a second browser on another machine:
>> a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
>> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
>> c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
>> course!) => play
>>
>> This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
>>
>> To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
>> reconnect.
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com****
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com****
>>
>
>
Re: Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC)
in SWF11 in OpenMeetings Raju
Posted by Vincenzo Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>.
Hi everyone,
I have tested the app for little time, but I don't understand why none
microphone does work with the browser Google Chrome.
Instead with Mozilla Firefox all mic i have used works very well.
Sebastian this is the last version of test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ?
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/WebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx?view=log&pathrev=1397817
2012/12/6 Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com>
> Sebastian:****
>
> ** **
>
> I loaded the test app into our test environment. It runs a recent build.
> I cannot get the play broadcast to work. When I click “play broadcast” I
> get this error.****
>
> ** **
>
> ERROR @test-setup.lzx≈173: ArgumentError: Error #2126****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks****
>
> ** **
>
> Joseph****
>
> ** **
>
> Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo <http://www.jellvideo.com/> |
> www.jellnet.com | [image: 3psquare93x77] ****
>
> *Jell Networks, Inc**. *
>
> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:16 PM
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings Raju****
>
> ** **
>
> Sebastian, Vincenzo, Raju,****
>
> ** **
>
> I did find a few small problems when testing with the “
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application.****
>
> ** **
>
> **1) **I was able to successfully test using a single PC by
> broadcasting on “stream1” and receiving on “stream1”. That is on my test PC
> I would broadcast on “stream1” and then also receive on “stream1” using the
> same PC. This worked well for testing the AEC feature.****
>
> **2) **It seems that it does not matter what I name the two streams
> for the Broadcast and Playback, e.g. stream1 & stream1 or stream1 & stream2
> or George & Tony, the test application simply connects the BroadCast stream
> to the Play-Broadcast stream on the same PC, regardless of what I name the
> streams. I cannot connect the Play-Broadcast stream of one PC to the
> steam started on another PC.****
>
> **3) **As reported above in step 2, when I attempted to use two PCs,
> for a 1:1 communications I was not able to do this, maybe I did not
> understand how to do this?. I could only send and receive on the same PC,
> I was not able to do the following;
> Send from PC1 on “stream1”
> Receive on PC2 on “stream1”
> Send from PC2 on “stream2”
> Receive on PC 1 on “stream2”
>
> What happened is that the playback on PC1 would only receive the stream
> that it is sending, that is “stream1”, no matter what I called the
> “playBroadCast” stream name.****
>
> **4) **I also found that, as mentioned in Sebastian’s instructions,
> if I ever stoped the broadcast or the playback, I had to close the browser
> and then try again, if I was to be able to receive the broadcast again.
> Thus between testing with “userEchoSuppression” turned on and then testing
> with it turned off, I had to close the browser and reset up the test (no
> problem doing this, just shows that the code does not fully close and
> restart the connection).****
>
> **5) **While I used the server’s domain name in the web browser’s
> URL, I had believed that I had to use the actual IP address of the domain
> name in the “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” own URL: field, but this
> understanding was incorrect, I was also able to use the server’s domain
> name in the URL: field. And once again, without the options
> “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone” checked, the echo is
> very bad, but when running the tests with the default of these options
> selected, the echo is *greatly* reduced *on a laptop that does not have
> any hardware AEC features*, and when using the internal speakers and
> microphone.****
>
> ** **
>
> Below is the “Laszlo Debugger” log output from my test server. If you
> want to test with my server, you can connect with
> http://www.goproject.info:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf but
> I the bandwidth is limited. Occasionally I get bandwidth warning messages
> in the log file.****
>
> ** **
>
> connectRtmpConnection URL: *rtmp://
> 59.167.79.92:1935/openmeetings/testscope* ****
>
> setId 65 ****
>
> devrtmpconnection «<anonymous extends='canvas'>#2#1| #canvas» _onStatus
> NetConnection.Connect.Success ****
>
> «flash.media::MicrophoneEnhancedOptions#3| {}» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Publish.Start «flash.net::NetStream#4|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Reset «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Start «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Video.DimensionChange «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.InsufficientBW «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Pause.Notify «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Stop «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Buffer.Flush «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Unpublish.Success «flash.net::NetStream#4|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> lzx> Debug.inspect([object NetStream]) ****
>
> «flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]» ****
>
> «flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]» ****
>
> lzx>****
>
> ** **
>
> If anyone has more information about how to use the “
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application or makes modifications, I would
> like to do further testing, for example a test between two to four
> users/PCs, though Joseph’s comment about integrating this into Openmeetings
> would give the greatest flexibility for testing. I would suggest having
> just one admin setting to turn on or off the use of all AEC features, e.g.
> both “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone”. Personally I
> would just have these items turned on permanently in the code with no
> options.****
>
> ** **
>
> If anyone can explain to me what the “Adobe Flash Player Settings” “Reduce
> Echo” option actually does, I would be very interested to know. That is
> how this setting integrates with a Flash application’s code, like in
> Openmeetings.****
>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ** **
>
> George Kirkham****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Vincenzo M. Raimondo [mailto:vincent.raimondo@gmail.com<vi...@gmail.com>]
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 November 2012 4:05 AM
> *To:* seba.wagner@gmail.com
> *Cc:* Joseph Karwat; George Kirkham; openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi****
>
> ****
>
> I'm finding just these ActionScript3 docs. thank you Sebastian****
>
> There is the source code of test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ? If is possible, I
> would work on this test.****
>
> Thanks****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* seba.wagner@gmail.com ****
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:26 PM****
>
> *To:* Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com> ****
>
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ; George Kirkham<gk...@co2crc.com.au>; Joseph
> Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com> ****
>
> *Subject:* Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ****
>
> Hi,
>
> thanks for testing this, its actually pretty hard to test this locally and
> with my equipment.
>
> About the questions:
> @Joseph: Actually there are already instructions online. You can put this
> testing SWF into any production OpenMeetings instance. There is no need to
> restart Red5 or anything.
> See:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
>
> @Raju: Yes I guess we will make a SWF11 runtime available :)
>
> @Vincenzo Actually this is what we have build the Testing application for.
> See the link above how to get it. It is rather easy to set up.
> To see what options you could add on top please refer to the ActionScript3
> docs.
> See:
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/flash/media/MicrophoneEnhancedMode.html
>
> Sebastian****
>
> ** **
>
> 2012/11/20 Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>****
>
> ****
>
> Hi****
>
> I'm following with much interest thi test application.****
>
> I preface that I not test it yet.****
>
> I have two questions about this:****
>
> There is possibility to assess whether the echo cancellation can be made
> better by passing some parameters specific to the functions that implement
> it ?****
>
> You can customize the echo cancellation on the basis of experimental tests
> carried out in the specific scenario in which the web conference work?****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com> ****
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:02 AM****
>
> *To:* 'George Kirkham' <gk...@co2crc.com.au> ; seba.wagner@gmail.com **
> **
>
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org ****
>
> *Subject:* RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ****
>
> Sebastian:****
>
> ****
>
> I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a
> bit more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this
> in production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could
> simply include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for
> all to formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on
> how to put this into a working OM instance, I’d be happy to add the code to
> our test system and then test with a live OM system.****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks so much for working on this.****
>
> Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo <http://www.jellvideo.com/> |
> www.jellnet.com | ****
>
> *Jell Networks, Inc**. *****
>
> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
> *To:* seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ****
>
> Hi Sebastian,****
>
> ****
>
> I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
> “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application and verify that selecting “*
> useEchoSuppression*” and “*use Enhanced Microphone*” options *really does
> make a great difference in reducing echo.*****
>
> ****
>
> Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
> current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.****
>
> ****
>
> I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has
> no internal hardware echo cancellation features.****
>
> ****
>
> After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to
> run test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify
> the effectiveness of this echo test;****
>
> ****
>
> 1) *Test 1* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>
> 2) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
> OpenMeetings server****
>
> 3) Leave “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone” enabled**
> **
>
> 4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s
> menu, select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is selected in the
> microphone tab.****
>
> 5) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>
> 6) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound**
> **
>
> 7) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving
> my broadcasted my video and sound****
>
> 8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself via
> the speakers in the laptop.****
>
> 9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my
> voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being
> picked up by the laptop’s inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed
> echo.****
>
> 10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my
> voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.*
> ***
>
> 11) *Test 2* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>
> 12) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
> OpenMeetings server****
>
> 13) I uncheck “useEchoSuppression” and uncheck “Use Enhanced
> Microphone” enabled****
>
> 14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s menu,
> select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is still selected in the
> microphone tab. ****
>
> 15) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>
> 16) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound****
>
> 17) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving my
> broadcasted my video and sound****
>
> 18) As soon as I select “playBroadCast”, the most dreadful squealing
> echo starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.****
>
> 19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost
> unheard, the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume
> up where it is useful, the echo returns.****
>
> ****
>
> Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.****
>
> ****
>
> Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
> activated.****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ****
>
> George Kirkham****
>
> ****
>
> IT Manager****
>
> Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC) ****
>
> NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia****
>
> T: (02) 6120 1600****
>
> F: (02) 6273 7181****
>
> E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au, ****
>
> W: www.co2crc.com.au****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com<se...@gmail.com>]
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
> *To:* George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation
> (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ****
>
> Hi George/Joseph,
>
> I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
> settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
>
> I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets
> and a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
>
> Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
> testing application:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
>
> Basically you simply copy:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/WebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
>
> To:
> $RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
>
> a) Then navigate with your browser to:
> http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
> c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
>
> Open a second browser on another machine:
> a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
> c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
> course!) => play
>
> This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
>
> To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
> reconnect.
>
> Sebastian
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com****
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com****
>
Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings Raju
Posted by Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com>.
Sebastian:
I loaded the test app into our test environment. It runs a recent build. I
cannot get the play broadcast to work. When I click "play broadcast" I get
this error.
ERROR @test-setup.lzx?173: ArgumentError: Error #2126
Thanks
Joseph
Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | <http://www.jellvideo.com/> JellVideo |
<http://www.jellnet.com/> www.jellnet.com | 3psquare93x77
Jell Networks, Inc.
Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions
From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:16 PM
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings Raju
Sebastian, Vincenzo, Raju,
I did find a few small problems when testing with the
"test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application.
1) I was able to successfully test using a single PC by broadcasting on
"stream1" and receiving on "stream1". That is on my test PC I would
broadcast on "stream1" and then also receive on "stream1" using the same PC.
This worked well for testing the AEC feature.
2) It seems that it does not matter what I name the two streams for the
Broadcast and Playback, e.g. stream1 & stream1 or stream1 & stream2 or
George & Tony, the test application simply connects the BroadCast stream to
the Play-Broadcast stream on the same PC, regardless of what I name the
streams. I cannot connect the Play-Broadcast stream of one PC to the steam
started on another PC.
3) As reported above in step 2, when I attempted to use two PCs, for a
1:1 communications I was not able to do this, maybe I did not understand how
to do this?. I could only send and receive on the same PC, I was not able
to do the following;
Send from PC1 on "stream1"
Receive on PC2 on "stream1"
Send from PC2 on "stream2"
Receive on PC 1 on "stream2"
What happened is that the playback on PC1 would only receive the stream that
it is sending, that is "stream1", no matter what I called the
"playBroadCast" stream name.
4) I also found that, as mentioned in Sebastian's instructions, if I
ever stoped the broadcast or the playback, I had to close the browser and
then try again, if I was to be able to receive the broadcast again. Thus
between testing with "userEchoSuppression" turned on and then testing with
it turned off, I had to close the browser and reset up the test (no problem
doing this, just shows that the code does not fully close and restart the
connection).
5) While I used the server's domain name in the web browser's URL, I
had believed that I had to use the actual IP address of the domain name in
the "test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" own URL: field, but this understanding was
incorrect, I was also able to use the server's domain name in the URL:
field. And once again, without the options "useEchoSuppression" and "Use
Enhanced Microphone" checked, the echo is very bad, but when running the
tests with the default of these options selected, the echo is greatly
reduced on a laptop that does not have any hardware AEC features, and when
using the internal speakers and microphone.
Below is the "Laszlo Debugger" log output from my test server. If you want
to test with my server, you can connect with
http://www.goproject.info:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf but I
the bandwidth is limited. Occasionally I get bandwidth warning messages in
the log file.
connectRtmpConnection URL: rtmp://59.167.79.92:1935/openmeetings/testscope
setId 65
devrtmpconnection <<anonymous extends='canvas'>#2#1| #canvas> _onStatus
NetConnection.Connect.Success
<flash.media::MicrophoneEnhancedOptions#3| {}>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Publish.Start <flash.net::NetStream#4|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Reset <flash.net::NetStream#5|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Start <flash.net::NetStream#5|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Video.DimensionChange
<flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.InsufficientBW
<flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Pause.Notify <flash.net::NetStream#5|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Stop <flash.net::NetStream#5| [object
NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Buffer.Flush <flash.net::NetStream#5|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Unpublish.Success <flash.net::NetStream#4|
[object NetStream]>
lzx> Debug.inspect([object NetStream])
<flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
<flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
lzx>
If anyone has more information about how to use the
"test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application or makes modifications, I would like
to do further testing, for example a test between two to four users/PCs,
though Joseph's comment about integrating this into Openmeetings would give
the greatest flexibility for testing. I would suggest having just one admin
setting to turn on or off the use of all AEC features, e.g. both
"useEchoSuppression" and "Use Enhanced Microphone". Personally I would just
have these items turned on permanently in the code with no options.
If anyone can explain to me what the "Adobe Flash Player Settings" "Reduce
Echo" option actually does, I would be very interested to know. That is how
this setting integrates with a Flash application's code, like in
Openmeetings.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: Vincenzo M. Raimondo [mailto:vincent.raimondo@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 4:05 AM
To: seba.wagner@gmail.com
Cc: Joseph Karwat; George Kirkham; openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi
I'm finding just these ActionScript3 docs. thank you Sebastian
There is the source code of test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ? If is possible, I
would work on this test.
Thanks
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:26 PM
To: Vincenzo M. Raimondo <ma...@gmail.com>
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ; George Kirkham
<ma...@co2crc.com.au> ; Joseph Karwat
<ma...@jellnet.com>
Subject: Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi,
thanks for testing this, its actually pretty hard to test this locally and
with my equipment.
About the questions:
@Joseph: Actually there are already instructions online. You can put this
testing SWF into any production OpenMeetings instance. There is no need to
restart Red5 or anything.
See:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testin
g+Application+Standalone
@Raju: Yes I guess we will make a SWF11 runtime available :)
@Vincenzo Actually this is what we have build the Testing application for.
See the link above how to get it. It is rather easy to set up.
To see what options you could add on top please refer to the ActionScript3
docs.
See:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/flash/med
ia/MicrophoneEnhancedMode.html
Sebastian
2012/11/20 Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>
Hi
I'm following with much interest thi test application.
I preface that I not test it yet.
I have two questions about this:
There is possibility to assess whether the echo cancellation can be made
better by passing some parameters specific to the functions that implement
it ?
You can customize the echo cancellation on the basis of experimental tests
carried out in the specific scenario in which the web conference work?
Thanks
From: Joseph Karwat <ma...@jellnet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:02 AM
To: 'George Kirkham' <ma...@co2crc.com.au> ;
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Sebastian:
I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a bit
more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this in
production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could simply
include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for all to
formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on how to put
this into a working OM instance, I'd be happy to add the code to our test
system and then test with a live OM system.
Thanks so much for working on this.
Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | <http://www.jellvideo.com/> JellVideo |
<http://www.jellnet.com/> www.jellnet.com |
Jell Networks, Inc.
Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions
From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
To: seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation
(AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi Sebastian,
I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
"test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application and verify that selecting
"useEchoSuppression" and "use Enhanced Microphone" options really does make
a great difference in reducing echo.
Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.
I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has no
internal hardware echo cancellation features.
After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to run
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify the
effectiveness of this echo test;
1) Test 1 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
2) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
OpenMeetings server
3) Leave "useEchoSuppression" and "Use Enhanced Microphone" enabled
4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's menu,
select "Settings:", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is selected in the
microphone tab.
5) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
6) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
7) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving my
broadcasted my video and sound
8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself via
the speakers in the laptop.
9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my
voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being picked
up by the laptop's inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed echo.
10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my
voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.
11) Test 2 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
12) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
OpenMeetings server
13) I uncheck "useEchoSuppression" and uncheck "Use Enhanced Microphone"
enabled
14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's menu,
select "Settings:", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is still selected in the
microphone tab.
15) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
16) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
17) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving my
broadcasted my video and sound
18) As soon as I select "playBroadCast", the most dreadful squealing echo
starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.
19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost unheard,
the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume up where
it is useful, the echo returns.
Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.
Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
activated.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
T: (02) 6120 1600 <tel:%2802%29%206120%201600>
F: (02) 6273 7181 <tel:%2802%29%206273%207181>
E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
W: www.co2crc.com.au
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
To: George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in
SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi George/Joseph,
I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets and
a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
testing application:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testin
g+Application+Standalone
Basically you simply copy:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/W
ebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
To:
$RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
a) Then navigate with your browser to:
http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
Open a second browser on another machine:
a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
course!) => play
This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
reconnect.
Sebastian
--
Sebastian Wagner
<https://twitter.com/#%21/dead_lock> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
<http://www.webbase-design.de> http://www.webbase-design.de
<http://www.wagner-sebastian.com> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
<ma...@gmail.com> seba.wagner@gmail.com
--
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<https://twitter.com/#%21/dead_lock> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
<http://www.webbase-design.de> http://www.webbase-design.de
<http://www.wagner-sebastian.com> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
<ma...@gmail.com> seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings Raju
Posted by Vincenzo Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I have fixed the problem when attempt to use 2 PCc for a 1:1 communication.
The problem is in test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf file.
Now I am able to do the following:
Send from PC1 on “stream1” --------> Receive on PC2 on “stream1”
Send from PC2 on “stream2” -------> Receive on PC 1 on “stream2”
2013/1/23 Vincenzo Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>
> Hi,
> Someone know how compile file text-setup.lzx to test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ?
> Please help me. Thanks
>
>
>> Sebastian, Vincenzo, Raju,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I did find a few small problems when testing with the “
>>> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> **1) **I was able to successfully test using a single PC by
>>> broadcasting on “stream1” and receiving on “stream1”. That is on my test PC
>>> I would broadcast on “stream1” and then also receive on “stream1” using the
>>> same PC. This worked well for testing the AEC feature.
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> **2) **It seems that it does not matter what I name the two
>>> streams for the Broadcast and Playback, e.g. stream1 & stream1 or stream1 &
>>> stream2 or George & Tony, the test application simply connects the
>>> BroadCast stream to the Play-Broadcast stream on the same PC, regardless of
>>> what I name the streams. I cannot connect the Play-Broadcast stream of
>>> one PC to the steam started on another PC.
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> **3) **As reported above in step 2, when I attempted to use two
>>> PCs, for a 1:1 communications I was not able to do this, maybe I did not
>>> understand how to do this?. I could only send and receive on the same PC,
>>> I was not able to do the following;
>>> Send from PC1 on “stream1”
>>> Receive on PC2 on “stream1”
>>> Send from PC2 on “stream2”
>>> Receive on PC 1 on “stream2”
>>>
>>> What happened is that the playback on PC1 would only receive the stream
>>> that it is sending, that is “stream1”, no matter what I called the “playBroadCast”
>>> stream name.
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> **4) **I also found that, as mentioned in Sebastian’s
>>> instructions, if I ever stoped the broadcast or the playback, I had to
>>> close the browser and then try again, if I was to be able to receive the
>>> broadcast again. Thus between testing with “userEchoSuppression” turned on
>>> and then testing with it turned off, I had to close the browser and reset
>>> up the test (no problem doing this, just shows that the code does not fully
>>> close and restart the connection).
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> **5) **While I used the server’s domain name in the web browser’s
>>> URL, I had believed that I had to use the actual IP address of the domain
>>> name in the “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” own URL: field, but this
>>> understanding was incorrect, I was also able to use the server’s domain
>>> name in the URL: field. And once again, without the options “useEchoSuppression”
>>> and “Use Enhanced Microphone” checked, the echo is very bad, but when
>>> running the tests with the default of these options selected, the echo is
>>> *greatly* reduced *on a laptop that does not have any hardware AEC
>>> features*, and when using the internal speakers and microphone.
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Below is the “Laszlo Debugger” log output from my test server. If you
>>> want to test with my server, you can connect with
>>> http://www.goproject.info:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swfbut I the bandwidth is limited. Occasionally I get bandwidth warning
>>> messages in the log file.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> connectRtmpConnection URL: *rtmp://
>>> 59.167.79.92:1935/openmeetings/testscope* ****
>>>
>>> setId 65 ****
>>>
>>> devrtmpconnection «<anonymous extends='canvas'>#2#1| #canvas» _onStatus
>>> NetConnection.Connect.Success ****
>>>
>>> «flash.media::MicrophoneEnhancedOptions#3| {}» ****
>>>
>>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Publish.Start «flash.net::NetStream#4|
>>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>>
>>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Reset «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>>
>>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Start «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>>
>>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Video.DimensionChange «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>>
>>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.InsufficientBW «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>>
>>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Pause.Notify «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>>
>>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Stop «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>>
>>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Buffer.Flush «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>>
>>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Unpublish.Success «flash.net::NetStream#4|
>>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>>
>>> lzx> Debug.inspect([object NetStream]) ****
>>>
>>> «flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]» ****
>>>
>>> «flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]» ****
>>>
>>> lzx>****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> If anyone has more information about how to use the “
>>> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application or makes modifications, I would
>>> like to do further testing, for example a test between two to four
>>> users/PCs, though Joseph’s comment about integrating this into Openmeetings
>>> would give the greatest flexibility for testing. I would suggest having
>>> just one admin setting to turn on or off the use of all AEC features, e.g.
>>> both “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone”. Personally I
>>> would just have these items turned on permanently in the code with no
>>> options.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> If anyone can explain to me what the “Adobe Flash Player Settings”
>>> “Reduce Echo” option actually does, I would be very interested to know.
>>> That is how this setting integrates with a Flash application’s code, like
>>> in Openmeetings.****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Thanks,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> George Kirkham****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* Vincenzo M. Raimondo [mailto:vincent.raimondo@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 November 2012 4:05 AM
>>> *To:* seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> *Cc:* Joseph Karwat; George Kirkham;
>>> openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
>>> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Hi****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> I'm finding just these ActionScript3 docs. thank you Sebastian****
>>>
>>> There is the source code of test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ? If is possible, I
>>> would work on this test.****
>>>
>>> Thanks****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> *From:* seba.wagner@gmail.com ****
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:26 PM****
>>>
>>> *To:* Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com> ****
>>>
>>> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ; George Kirkham<gk...@co2crc.com.au>; Joseph
>>> Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com> ****
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
>>> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> thanks for testing this, its actually pretty hard to test this locally
>>> and with my equipment.
>>>
>>> About the questions:
>>> @Joseph: Actually there are already instructions online. You can put
>>> this testing SWF into any production OpenMeetings instance. There is no
>>> need to restart Red5 or anything.
>>> See:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
>>>
>>> @Raju: Yes I guess we will make a SWF11 runtime available :)
>>>
>>> @Vincenzo Actually this is what we have build the Testing application
>>> for.
>>> See the link above how to get it. It is rather easy to set up.
>>> To see what options you could add on top please refer to the
>>> ActionScript3 docs.
>>> See:
>>> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/flash/media/MicrophoneEnhancedMode.html
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> 2012/11/20 Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Hi****
>>>
>>> I'm following with much interest thi test application.****
>>>
>>> I preface that I not test it yet.****
>>>
>>> I have two questions about this:****
>>>
>>> There is possibility to assess whether the echo cancellation can be made
>>> better by passing some parameters specific to the functions that implement
>>> it ?****
>>>
>>> You can customize the echo cancellation on the basis of experimental
>>> tests carried out in the specific scenario in which the web conference work?
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Thanks****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> *From:* Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com> ****
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:02 AM****
>>>
>>> *To:* 'George Kirkham' <gk...@co2crc.com.au> ; seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> ****
>>>
>>> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ;
>>> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org ****
>>>
>>> *Subject:* RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
>>> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Sebastian:****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a
>>> bit more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this
>>> in production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could
>>> simply include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for
>>> all to formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on
>>> how to put this into a working OM instance, I’d be happy to add the code to
>>> our test system and then test with a live OM system.****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Thanks so much for working on this.****
>>>
>>> Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo <http://www.jellvideo.com/> |
>>> www.jellnet.com | ****
>>>
>>> *Jell Networks, Inc**. *****
>>>
>>> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> *From:* George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
>>> *To:* seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
>>> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
>>> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
>>> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Hi Sebastian,****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
>>> “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application and verify that selecting “*
>>> useEchoSuppression*” and “*use Enhanced Microphone*” options *really
>>> does make a great difference in reducing echo.*****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
>>> current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has
>>> no internal hardware echo cancellation features.****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to
>>> run test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify
>>> the effectiveness of this echo test;****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> 1) *Test 1* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
>>> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>>>
>>> 2) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
>>> OpenMeetings server****
>>>
>>> 3) Leave “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone” enabled
>>> ****
>>>
>>> 4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s
>>> menu, select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is selected in the
>>> microphone tab.****
>>>
>>> 5) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>>>
>>> 6) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound
>>> ****
>>>
>>> 7) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving
>>> my broadcasted my video and sound****
>>>
>>> 8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself
>>> via the speakers in the laptop.****
>>>
>>> 9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my
>>> voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being
>>> picked up by the laptop’s inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed
>>> echo.****
>>>
>>> 10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my
>>> voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.
>>> ****
>>>
>>> 11) *Test 2* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
>>> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>>>
>>> 12) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
>>> OpenMeetings server****
>>>
>>> 13) I uncheck “useEchoSuppression” and uncheck “Use Enhanced
>>> Microphone” enabled****
>>>
>>> 14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s
>>> menu, select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is still selected
>>> in the microphone tab. ****
>>>
>>> 15) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>>>
>>> 16) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound**
>>> **
>>>
>>> 17) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving
>>> my broadcasted my video and sound****
>>>
>>> 18) As soon as I select “playBroadCast”, the most dreadful squealing
>>> echo starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.****
>>>
>>> 19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost
>>> unheard, the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume
>>> up where it is useful, the echo returns.****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
>>> activated.****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Thanks,****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> George Kirkham****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> IT Manager****
>>>
>>> Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC) ***
>>> *
>>>
>>> NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia****
>>>
>>> T: (02) 6120 1600****
>>>
>>> F: (02) 6273 7181****
>>>
>>> E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au, ****
>>>
>>> W: www.co2crc.com.au****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> *From:* seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com<se...@gmail.com>]
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
>>> *To:* George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
>>> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
>>> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation
>>> (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Hi George/Joseph,
>>>
>>> I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
>>> settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
>>>
>>> I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets
>>> and a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
>>>
>>> Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
>>> testing application:
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
>>>
>>> Basically you simply copy:
>>>
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/WebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
>>>
>>> To:
>>> $RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
>>>
>>> a) Then navigate with your browser to:
>>> http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
>>> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
>>> c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
>>>
>>> Open a second browser on another machine:
>>> a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
>>> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
>>> c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
>>> course!) => play
>>>
>>> This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
>>>
>>> To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
>>> reconnect.
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> seba.wagner@gmail.com****
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> seba.wagner@gmail.com****
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings Raju
Posted by Vincenzo Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Someone know how compile file text-setup.lzx to test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ?
Please help me. Thanks
> Sebastian, Vincenzo, Raju,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I did find a few small problems when testing with the “
>> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> **1) **I was able to successfully test using a single PC by
>> broadcasting on “stream1” and receiving on “stream1”. That is on my test PC
>> I would broadcast on “stream1” and then also receive on “stream1” using the
>> same PC. This worked well for testing the AEC feature.
>>
>> ****
>>
>> **2) **It seems that it does not matter what I name the two streams
>> for the Broadcast and Playback, e.g. stream1 & stream1 or stream1 & stream2
>> or George & Tony, the test application simply connects the BroadCast stream
>> to the Play-Broadcast stream on the same PC, regardless of what I name the
>> streams. I cannot connect the Play-Broadcast stream of one PC to the
>> steam started on another PC.
>>
>> ****
>>
>> **3) **As reported above in step 2, when I attempted to use two
>> PCs, for a 1:1 communications I was not able to do this, maybe I did not
>> understand how to do this?. I could only send and receive on the same PC,
>> I was not able to do the following;
>> Send from PC1 on “stream1”
>> Receive on PC2 on “stream1”
>> Send from PC2 on “stream2”
>> Receive on PC 1 on “stream2”
>>
>> What happened is that the playback on PC1 would only receive the stream
>> that it is sending, that is “stream1”, no matter what I called the “playBroadCast”
>> stream name.
>>
>> ****
>>
>> **4) **I also found that, as mentioned in Sebastian’s instructions,
>> if I ever stoped the broadcast or the playback, I had to close the browser
>> and then try again, if I was to be able to receive the broadcast again.
>> Thus between testing with “userEchoSuppression” turned on and then testing
>> with it turned off, I had to close the browser and reset up the test (no
>> problem doing this, just shows that the code does not fully close and
>> restart the connection).
>>
>> ****
>>
>> **5) **While I used the server’s domain name in the web browser’s
>> URL, I had believed that I had to use the actual IP address of the domain
>> name in the “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” own URL: field, but this
>> understanding was incorrect, I was also able to use the server’s domain
>> name in the URL: field. And once again, without the options “useEchoSuppression”
>> and “Use Enhanced Microphone” checked, the echo is very bad, but when
>> running the tests with the default of these options selected, the echo is
>> *greatly* reduced *on a laptop that does not have any hardware AEC
>> features*, and when using the internal speakers and microphone.
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Below is the “Laszlo Debugger” log output from my test server. If you
>> want to test with my server, you can connect with
>> http://www.goproject.info:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf but
>> I the bandwidth is limited. Occasionally I get bandwidth warning messages
>> in the log file.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> connectRtmpConnection URL: *rtmp://
>> 59.167.79.92:1935/openmeetings/testscope* ****
>>
>> setId 65 ****
>>
>> devrtmpconnection «<anonymous extends='canvas'>#2#1| #canvas» _onStatus
>> NetConnection.Connect.Success ****
>>
>> «flash.media::MicrophoneEnhancedOptions#3| {}» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Publish.Start «flash.net::NetStream#4|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Reset «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Start «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Video.DimensionChange «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.InsufficientBW «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Pause.Notify «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Stop «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Buffer.Flush «flash.net::NetStream#5|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Unpublish.Success «flash.net::NetStream#4|
>> [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> lzx> Debug.inspect([object NetStream]) ****
>>
>> «flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> «flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]» ****
>>
>> lzx>****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If anyone has more information about how to use the “
>> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application or makes modifications, I would
>> like to do further testing, for example a test between two to four
>> users/PCs, though Joseph’s comment about integrating this into Openmeetings
>> would give the greatest flexibility for testing. I would suggest having
>> just one admin setting to turn on or off the use of all AEC features, e.g.
>> both “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone”. Personally I
>> would just have these items turned on permanently in the code with no
>> options.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If anyone can explain to me what the “Adobe Flash Player Settings”
>> “Reduce Echo” option actually does, I would be very interested to know.
>> That is how this setting integrates with a Flash application’s code, like
>> in Openmeetings.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> George Kirkham****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Vincenzo M. Raimondo [mailto:vincent.raimondo@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 November 2012 4:05 AM
>> *To:* seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> *Cc:* Joseph Karwat; George Kirkham;
>> openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
>> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hi****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I'm finding just these ActionScript3 docs. thank you Sebastian****
>>
>> There is the source code of test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ? If is possible, I
>> would work on this test.****
>>
>> Thanks****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* seba.wagner@gmail.com ****
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:26 PM****
>>
>> *To:* Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com> ****
>>
>> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ; George Kirkham<gk...@co2crc.com.au>; Joseph
>> Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com> ****
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
>> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> thanks for testing this, its actually pretty hard to test this locally
>> and with my equipment.
>>
>> About the questions:
>> @Joseph: Actually there are already instructions online. You can put this
>> testing SWF into any production OpenMeetings instance. There is no need to
>> restart Red5 or anything.
>> See:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
>>
>> @Raju: Yes I guess we will make a SWF11 runtime available :)
>>
>> @Vincenzo Actually this is what we have build the Testing application for.
>> See the link above how to get it. It is rather easy to set up.
>> To see what options you could add on top please refer to the
>> ActionScript3 docs.
>> See:
>> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/flash/media/MicrophoneEnhancedMode.html
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 2012/11/20 Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Hi****
>>
>> I'm following with much interest thi test application.****
>>
>> I preface that I not test it yet.****
>>
>> I have two questions about this:****
>>
>> There is possibility to assess whether the echo cancellation can be made
>> better by passing some parameters specific to the functions that implement
>> it ?****
>>
>> You can customize the echo cancellation on the basis of experimental
>> tests carried out in the specific scenario in which the web conference work?
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Thanks****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com> ****
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:02 AM****
>>
>> *To:* 'George Kirkham' <gk...@co2crc.com.au> ; seba.wagner@gmail.com *
>> ***
>>
>> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ;
>> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org ****
>>
>> *Subject:* RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
>> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Sebastian:****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a
>> bit more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this
>> in production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could
>> simply include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for
>> all to formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on
>> how to put this into a working OM instance, I’d be happy to add the code to
>> our test system and then test with a live OM system.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Thanks so much for working on this.****
>>
>> Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo <http://www.jellvideo.com/> |
>> www.jellnet.com | ****
>>
>> *Jell Networks, Inc**. *****
>>
>> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
>> *To:* seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
>> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
>> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
>> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Hi Sebastian,****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
>> “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application and verify that selecting “*
>> useEchoSuppression*” and “*use Enhanced Microphone*” options *really
>> does make a great difference in reducing echo.*****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
>> current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has
>> no internal hardware echo cancellation features.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to
>> run test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify
>> the effectiveness of this echo test;****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> 1) *Test 1* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
>> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>>
>> 2) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
>> OpenMeetings server****
>>
>> 3) Leave “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone” enabled*
>> ***
>>
>> 4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s
>> menu, select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is selected in the
>> microphone tab.****
>>
>> 5) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>>
>> 6) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound*
>> ***
>>
>> 7) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving
>> my broadcasted my video and sound****
>>
>> 8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself
>> via the speakers in the laptop.****
>>
>> 9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my
>> voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being
>> picked up by the laptop’s inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed
>> echo.****
>>
>> 10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my
>> voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.
>> ****
>>
>> 11) *Test 2* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
>> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>>
>> 12) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
>> OpenMeetings server****
>>
>> 13) I uncheck “useEchoSuppression” and uncheck “Use Enhanced
>> Microphone” enabled****
>>
>> 14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s menu,
>> select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is still selected in the
>> microphone tab. ****
>>
>> 15) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>>
>> 16) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound***
>> *
>>
>> 17) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving my
>> broadcasted my video and sound****
>>
>> 18) As soon as I select “playBroadCast”, the most dreadful squealing
>> echo starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.****
>>
>> 19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost
>> unheard, the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume
>> up where it is useful, the echo returns.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
>> activated.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Thanks,****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> George Kirkham****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> IT Manager****
>>
>> Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC) ****
>>
>> NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia****
>>
>> T: (02) 6120 1600****
>>
>> F: (02) 6273 7181****
>>
>> E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au, ****
>>
>> W: www.co2crc.com.au****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com<se...@gmail.com>]
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
>> *To:* George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
>> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
>> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation
>> (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Hi George/Joseph,
>>
>> I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
>> settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
>>
>> I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets
>> and a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
>>
>> Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
>> testing application:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
>>
>> Basically you simply copy:
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/WebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
>>
>> To:
>> $RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
>>
>> a) Then navigate with your browser to:
>> http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
>> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
>> c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
>>
>> Open a second browser on another machine:
>> a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
>> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
>> c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
>> course!) => play
>>
>> This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
>>
>> To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
>> reconnect.
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com****
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com****
>>
>
>
Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings Raju
Posted by Vincenzo Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>.
Hi, I have the same problem as George when I attempted to use two PCs, for
a 1:1 communications I was not able to do this.
I was not able to do the following:
Send from PC1 on “stream1” --------> Receive on PC2 on “stream1”
Send from PC2 on “stream2” -------> Receive on PC 1 on “stream2”
But what happens it this
Send from PC1 on “stream1” --------> Receive on PC2 on “stream1”
Send from PC2 on “stream2” -------> Receive on PC 1 on “stream1”
If I send a second strem (strem2) on PC2 to receive on PC1, this
receive playback strem1 and not strem2.
Why?
Please answer me
2012/11/20 George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>
> Sebastian, Vincenzo, Raju,****
>
> ** **
>
> I did find a few small problems when testing with the “
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application.****
>
> ** **
>
> **1) **I was able to successfully test using a single PC by
> broadcasting on “stream1” and receiving on “stream1”. That is on my test PC
> I would broadcast on “stream1” and then also receive on “stream1” using the
> same PC. This worked well for testing the AEC feature.
>
> ****
>
> **2) **It seems that it does not matter what I name the two streams
> for the Broadcast and Playback, e.g. stream1 & stream1 or stream1 & stream2
> or George & Tony, the test application simply connects the BroadCast stream
> to the Play-Broadcast stream on the same PC, regardless of what I name the
> streams. I cannot connect the Play-Broadcast stream of one PC to the
> steam started on another PC.
>
> ****
>
> **3) **As reported above in step 2, when I attempted to use two PCs,
> for a 1:1 communications I was not able to do this, maybe I did not
> understand how to do this?. I could only send and receive on the same PC,
> I was not able to do the following;
> Send from PC1 on “stream1”
> Receive on PC2 on “stream1”
> Send from PC2 on “stream2”
> Receive on PC 1 on “stream2”
>
> What happened is that the playback on PC1 would only receive the stream
> that it is sending, that is “stream1”, no matter what I called the “playBroadCast”
> stream name.
>
> ****
>
> **4) **I also found that, as mentioned in Sebastian’s instructions,
> if I ever stoped the broadcast or the playback, I had to close the browser
> and then try again, if I was to be able to receive the broadcast again.
> Thus between testing with “userEchoSuppression” turned on and then testing
> with it turned off, I had to close the browser and reset up the test (no
> problem doing this, just shows that the code does not fully close and
> restart the connection).
>
> ****
>
> **5) **While I used the server’s domain name in the web browser’s
> URL, I had believed that I had to use the actual IP address of the domain
> name in the “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” own URL: field, but this
> understanding was incorrect, I was also able to use the server’s domain
> name in the URL: field. And once again, without the options “useEchoSuppression”
> and “Use Enhanced Microphone” checked, the echo is very bad, but when
> running the tests with the default of these options selected, the echo is
> *greatly* reduced *on a laptop that does not have any hardware AEC
> features*, and when using the internal speakers and microphone.
>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> Below is the “Laszlo Debugger” log output from my test server. If you
> want to test with my server, you can connect with
> http://www.goproject.info:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf but
> I the bandwidth is limited. Occasionally I get bandwidth warning messages
> in the log file.****
>
> ** **
>
> connectRtmpConnection URL: *rtmp://
> 59.167.79.92:1935/openmeetings/testscope* ****
>
> setId 65 ****
>
> devrtmpconnection «<anonymous extends='canvas'>#2#1| #canvas» _onStatus
> NetConnection.Connect.Success ****
>
> «flash.media::MicrophoneEnhancedOptions#3| {}» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Publish.Start «flash.net::NetStream#4|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Reset «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Start «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Video.DimensionChange «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.InsufficientBW «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Pause.Notify «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Stop «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Buffer.Flush «flash.net::NetStream#5|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Unpublish.Success «flash.net::NetStream#4|
> [object NetStream]» ****
>
> lzx> Debug.inspect([object NetStream]) ****
>
> «flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]» ****
>
> «flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]» ****
>
> lzx>****
>
> ** **
>
> If anyone has more information about how to use the “
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application or makes modifications, I would
> like to do further testing, for example a test between two to four
> users/PCs, though Joseph’s comment about integrating this into Openmeetings
> would give the greatest flexibility for testing. I would suggest having
> just one admin setting to turn on or off the use of all AEC features, e.g.
> both “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone”. Personally I
> would just have these items turned on permanently in the code with no
> options.****
>
> ** **
>
> If anyone can explain to me what the “Adobe Flash Player Settings” “Reduce
> Echo” option actually does, I would be very interested to know. That is
> how this setting integrates with a Flash application’s code, like in
> Openmeetings.****
>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ** **
>
> George Kirkham****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Vincenzo M. Raimondo [mailto:vincent.raimondo@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 November 2012 4:05 AM
> *To:* seba.wagner@gmail.com
> *Cc:* Joseph Karwat; George Kirkham; openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi****
>
> ****
>
> I'm finding just these ActionScript3 docs. thank you Sebastian****
>
> There is the source code of test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ? If is possible, I
> would work on this test.****
>
> Thanks****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* seba.wagner@gmail.com ****
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:26 PM****
>
> *To:* Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com> ****
>
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ; George Kirkham<gk...@co2crc.com.au>; Joseph
> Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com> ****
>
> *Subject:* Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ****
>
> Hi,
>
> thanks for testing this, its actually pretty hard to test this locally and
> with my equipment.
>
> About the questions:
> @Joseph: Actually there are already instructions online. You can put this
> testing SWF into any production OpenMeetings instance. There is no need to
> restart Red5 or anything.
> See:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
>
> @Raju: Yes I guess we will make a SWF11 runtime available :)
>
> @Vincenzo Actually this is what we have build the Testing application for.
> See the link above how to get it. It is rather easy to set up.
> To see what options you could add on top please refer to the ActionScript3
> docs.
> See:
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/flash/media/MicrophoneEnhancedMode.html
>
> Sebastian
>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> 2012/11/20 Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>****
>
> ****
>
> Hi****
>
> I'm following with much interest thi test application.****
>
> I preface that I not test it yet.****
>
> I have two questions about this:****
>
> There is possibility to assess whether the echo cancellation can be made
> better by passing some parameters specific to the functions that implement
> it ?****
>
> You can customize the echo cancellation on the basis of experimental tests
> carried out in the specific scenario in which the web conference work?****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com> ****
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:02 AM****
>
> *To:* 'George Kirkham' <gk...@co2crc.com.au> ; seba.wagner@gmail.com **
> **
>
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org ****
>
> *Subject:* RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ****
>
> Sebastian:****
>
> ****
>
> I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a
> bit more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this
> in production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could
> simply include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for
> all to formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on
> how to put this into a working OM instance, I’d be happy to add the code to
> our test system and then test with a live OM system.****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks so much for working on this.****
>
> Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo <http://www.jellvideo.com/> |
> www.jellnet.com | ****
>
> *Jell Networks, Inc**. *****
>
> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
> *To:* seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ****
>
> Hi Sebastian,****
>
> ****
>
> I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
> “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application and verify that selecting “*
> useEchoSuppression*” and “*use Enhanced Microphone*” options *really does
> make a great difference in reducing echo.*****
>
> ****
>
> Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
> current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.****
>
> ****
>
> I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has
> no internal hardware echo cancellation features.****
>
> ****
>
> After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to
> run test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify
> the effectiveness of this echo test;****
>
> ****
>
> 1) *Test 1* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>
> 2) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
> OpenMeetings server****
>
> 3) Leave “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone” enabled**
> **
>
> 4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s
> menu, select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is selected in the
> microphone tab.****
>
> 5) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>
> 6) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound**
> **
>
> 7) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving
> my broadcasted my video and sound****
>
> 8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself via
> the speakers in the laptop.****
>
> 9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my
> voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being
> picked up by the laptop’s inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed
> echo.****
>
> 10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my
> voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.*
> ***
>
> 11) *Test 2* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>
> 12) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
> OpenMeetings server****
>
> 13) I uncheck “useEchoSuppression” and uncheck “Use Enhanced
> Microphone” enabled****
>
> 14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s menu,
> select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is still selected in the
> microphone tab. ****
>
> 15) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>
> 16) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound****
>
> 17) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving my
> broadcasted my video and sound****
>
> 18) As soon as I select “playBroadCast”, the most dreadful squealing
> echo starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.****
>
> 19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost
> unheard, the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume
> up where it is useful, the echo returns.****
>
> ****
>
> Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.****
>
> ****
>
> Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
> activated.****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ****
>
> George Kirkham****
>
> ****
>
> IT Manager****
>
> Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC) ****
>
> NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia****
>
> T: (02) 6120 1600****
>
> F: (02) 6273 7181****
>
> E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au, ****
>
> W: www.co2crc.com.au****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com<se...@gmail.com>]
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
> *To:* George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation
> (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ****
>
> Hi George/Joseph,
>
> I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
> settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
>
> I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets
> and a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
>
> Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
> testing application:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
>
> Basically you simply copy:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/WebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
>
> To:
> $RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
>
> a) Then navigate with your browser to:
> http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
> c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
>
> Open a second browser on another machine:
> a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
> c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
> course!) => play
>
> This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
>
> To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
> reconnect.
>
> Sebastian
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com****
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com****
>
RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings Raju
Posted by George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>.
Sebastian, Vincenzo, Raju,
I did find a few small problems when testing with the
"test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application.
1) I was able to successfully test using a single PC by
broadcasting on "stream1" and receiving on "stream1". That is on my test
PC I would broadcast on "stream1" and then also receive on "stream1"
using the same PC. This worked well for testing the AEC feature.
2) It seems that it does not matter what I name the two streams for
the Broadcast and Playback, e.g. stream1 & stream1 or stream1 & stream2
or George & Tony, the test application simply connects the BroadCast
stream to the Play-Broadcast stream on the same PC, regardless of what I
name the streams. I cannot connect the Play-Broadcast stream of one PC
to the steam started on another PC.
3) As reported above in step 2, when I attempted to use two PCs,
for a 1:1 communications I was not able to do this, maybe I did not
understand how to do this?. I could only send and receive on the same
PC, I was not able to do the following;
Send from PC1 on "stream1"
Receive on PC2 on "stream1"
Send from PC2 on "stream2"
Receive on PC 1 on "stream2"
What happened is that the playback on PC1 would only receive the stream
that it is sending, that is "stream1", no matter what I called the
"playBroadCast" stream name.
4) I also found that, as mentioned in Sebastian's instructions, if
I ever stoped the broadcast or the playback, I had to close the browser
and then try again, if I was to be able to receive the broadcast again.
Thus between testing with "userEchoSuppression" turned on and then
testing with it turned off, I had to close the browser and reset up the
test (no problem doing this, just shows that the code does not fully
close and restart the connection).
5) While I used the server's domain name in the web browser's URL,
I had believed that I had to use the actual IP address of the domain
name in the "test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" own URL: field, but this
understanding was incorrect, I was also able to use the server's domain
name in the URL: field. And once again, without the options
"useEchoSuppression" and "Use Enhanced Microphone" checked, the echo is
very bad, but when running the tests with the default of these options
selected, the echo is greatly reduced on a laptop that does not have any
hardware AEC features, and when using the internal speakers and
microphone.
Below is the "Laszlo Debugger" log output from my test server. If you
want to test with my server, you can connect with
http://www.goproject.info:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf but
I the bandwidth is limited. Occasionally I get bandwidth warning
messages in the log file.
connectRtmpConnection URL:
rtmp://59.167.79.92:1935/openmeetings/testscope
setId 65
devrtmpconnection <<anonymous extends='canvas'>#2#1| #canvas> _onStatus
NetConnection.Connect.Success
<flash.media::MicrophoneEnhancedOptions#3| {}>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Publish.Start <flash.net::NetStream#4|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Reset <flash.net::NetStream#5|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Start <flash.net::NetStream#5|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Video.DimensionChange
<flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.InsufficientBW
<flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Pause.Notify <flash.net::NetStream#5|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Play.Stop <flash.net::NetStream#5|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Buffer.Flush <flash.net::NetStream#5|
[object NetStream]>
netStream_onNetStatus: NetStream.Unpublish.Success
<flash.net::NetStream#4| [object NetStream]>
lzx> Debug.inspect([object NetStream])
<flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
<flash.net::NetStream#5| [object NetStream]>
lzx>
If anyone has more information about how to use the
"test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application or makes modifications, I would
like to do further testing, for example a test between two to four
users/PCs, though Joseph's comment about integrating this into
Openmeetings would give the greatest flexibility for testing. I would
suggest having just one admin setting to turn on or off the use of all
AEC features, e.g. both "useEchoSuppression" and "Use Enhanced
Microphone". Personally I would just have these items turned on
permanently in the code with no options.
If anyone can explain to me what the "Adobe Flash Player Settings"
"Reduce Echo" option actually does, I would be very interested to know.
That is how this setting integrates with a Flash application's code,
like in Openmeetings.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: Vincenzo M. Raimondo [mailto:vincent.raimondo@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 4:05 AM
To: seba.wagner@gmail.com
Cc: Joseph Karwat; George Kirkham; openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi
I'm finding just these ActionScript3 docs. thank you Sebastian
There is the source code of test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ? If is possible, I
would work on this test.
Thanks
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:26 PM
To: Vincenzo M. Raimondo <ma...@gmail.com>
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ; George Kirkham
<ma...@co2crc.com.au> ; Joseph Karwat
<ma...@jellnet.com>
Subject: Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi,
thanks for testing this, its actually pretty hard to test this locally
and with my equipment.
About the questions:
@Joseph: Actually there are already instructions online. You can put
this testing SWF into any production OpenMeetings instance. There is no
need to restart Red5 or anything.
See:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Te
sting+Application+Standalone
@Raju: Yes I guess we will make a SWF11 runtime available :)
@Vincenzo Actually this is what we have build the Testing application
for.
See the link above how to get it. It is rather easy to set up.
To see what options you could add on top please refer to the
ActionScript3 docs.
See:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/flash
/media/MicrophoneEnhancedMode.html
Sebastian
2012/11/20 Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>
Hi
I'm following with much interest thi test application.
I preface that I not test it yet.
I have two questions about this:
There is possibility to assess whether the echo cancellation can be made
better by passing some parameters specific to the functions that
implement it ?
You can customize the echo cancellation on the basis of experimental
tests carried out in the specific scenario in which the web conference
work?
Thanks
From: Joseph Karwat <ma...@jellnet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:02 AM
To: 'George Kirkham' <ma...@co2crc.com.au> ;
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Sebastian:
I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a
bit more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put
this in production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you
could simply include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public)
server for all to formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me
instructions on how to put this into a working OM instance, I'd be happy
to add the code to our test system and then test with a live OM system.
Thanks so much for working on this.
Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo <http://www.jellvideo.com/> |
www.jellnet.com <http://www.jellnet.com/> |
Jell Networks, Inc.
Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions
From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
To: seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi Sebastian,
I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
"test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application and verify that selecting
"useEchoSuppression" and "use Enhanced Microphone" options really does
make a great difference in reducing echo.
Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.
I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has
no internal hardware echo cancellation features.
After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to
run test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to
verify the effectiveness of this echo test;
1) Test 1 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
2) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
OpenMeetings server
3) Leave "useEchoSuppression" and "Use Enhanced Microphone" enabled
4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's
menu, select "Settings...", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is selected in
the microphone tab.
5) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
6) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
7) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving
my broadcasted my video and sound
8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself
via the speakers in the laptop.
9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my
voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being
picked up by the laptop's inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed
echo.
10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my
voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web
browser.
11) Test 2 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
12) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
OpenMeetings server
13) I uncheck "useEchoSuppression" and uncheck "Use Enhanced
Microphone" enabled
14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's menu,
select "Settings...", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is still selected in
the microphone tab.
15) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
16) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
17) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving my
broadcasted my video and sound
18) As soon as I select "playBroadCast", the most dreadful squealing
echo starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.
19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost
unheard, the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the
volume up where it is useful, the echo returns.
Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.
Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
activated.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
T: (02) 6120 1600 <tel:%2802%29%206120%201600>
F: (02) 6273 7181 <tel:%2802%29%206273%207181>
E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
W: www.co2crc.com.au
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
To: George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC)
in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi George/Joseph,
I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets
and a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
testing application:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Te
sting+Application+Standalone
Basically you simply copy:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singleweba
pp/WebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
To:
$RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
a) Then navigate with your browser to:
http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
Open a second browser on another machine:
a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
course!) => play
This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
reconnect.
Sebastian
--
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https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock <https://twitter.com/#%21/dead_lock>
http://www.webbase-design.de <http://www.webbase-design.de>
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com <http://www.wagner-sebastian.com>
seba.wagner@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
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https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock <https://twitter.com/#%21/dead_lock>
http://www.webbase-design.de <http://www.webbase-design.de>
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com <http://www.wagner-sebastian.com>
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Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Posted by "Vincenzo M. Raimondo" <vi...@gmail.com>.
Hi
I'm finding just these ActionScript3 docs. thank you Sebastian
There is the source code of test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf ? If is possible, I would work on this test.
Thanks
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:26 PM
To: Vincenzo M. Raimondo
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ; George Kirkham ; Joseph Karwat
Subject: Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi,
thanks for testing this, its actually pretty hard to test this locally and with my equipment.
About the questions:
@Joseph: Actually there are already instructions online. You can put this testing SWF into any production OpenMeetings instance. There is no need to restart Red5 or anything.
See: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
@Raju: Yes I guess we will make a SWF11 runtime available :)
@Vincenzo Actually this is what we have build the Testing application for.
See the link above how to get it. It is rather easy to set up.
To see what options you could add on top please refer to the ActionScript3 docs.
See: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/flash/media/MicrophoneEnhancedMode.html
Sebastian
2012/11/20 Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>
Hi
I'm following with much interest thi test application.
I preface that I not test it yet.
I have two questions about this:
There is possibility to assess whether the echo cancellation can be made better by passing some parameters specific to the functions that implement it ?
You can customize the echo cancellation on the basis of experimental tests carried out in the specific scenario in which the web conference work?
Thanks
From: Joseph Karwat
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:02 AM
To: 'George Kirkham' ; seba.wagner@gmail.com
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ; openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Sebastian:
I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a bit more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this in production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could simply include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for all to formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on how to put this into a working OM instance, I’d be happy to add the code to our test system and then test with a live OM system.
Thanks so much for working on this.
Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo | www.jellnet.com |
Jell Networks, Inc.
Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions
From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
To: seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org; openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi Sebastian,
I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application and verify that selecting “useEchoSuppression” and “use Enhanced Microphone” options really does make a great difference in reducing echo.
Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.
I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has no internal hardware echo cancellation features.
After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to run test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify the effectiveness of this echo test;
1) Test 1 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
2) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my OpenMeetings server
3) Leave “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone” enabled
4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s menu, select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is selected in the microphone tab.
5) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”
6) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound
7) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving my broadcasted my video and sound
8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself via the speakers in the laptop.
9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being picked up by the laptop’s inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed echo.
10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.
11) Test 2 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
12) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my OpenMeetings server
13) I uncheck “useEchoSuppression” and uncheck “Use Enhanced Microphone” enabled
14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s menu, select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is still selected in the microphone tab.
15) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”
16) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound
17) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving my broadcasted my video and sound
18) As soon as I select “playBroadCast”, the most dreadful squealing echo starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.
19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost unheard, the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume up where it is useful, the echo returns.
Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.
Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not activated.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
T: (02) 6120 1600
F: (02) 6273 7181
E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
W: www.co2crc.com.au
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
To: George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org; openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi George/Joseph,
I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets and a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the testing application:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
Basically you simply copy:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/WebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
To:
$RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
a) Then navigate with your browser to:
http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
Open a second browser on another machine:
a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of course!) => play
This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and reconnect.
Sebastian
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
thanks for testing this, its actually pretty hard to test this locally and
with my equipment.
About the questions:
@Joseph: Actually there are already instructions online. You can put this
testing SWF into any production OpenMeetings instance. There is no need to
restart Red5 or anything.
See:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
@Raju: Yes I guess we will make a SWF11 runtime available :)
@Vincenzo Actually this is what we have build the Testing application for.
See the link above how to get it. It is rather easy to set up.
To see what options you could add on top please refer to the ActionScript3
docs.
See:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/flash/media/MicrophoneEnhancedMode.html
Sebastian
2012/11/20 Vincenzo M. Raimondo <vi...@gmail.com>
>
> Hi
> I'm following with much interest thi test application.
> I preface that I not test it yet.
> I have two questions about this:
> There is possibility to assess whether the echo cancellation can be made
> better by passing some parameters specific to the functions that implement
> it ?
> You can customize the echo cancellation on the basis of experimental tests
> carried out in the specific scenario in which the web conference work?
>
> Thanks
>
> *From:* Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:02 AM
> *To:* 'George Kirkham' <gk...@co2crc.com.au> ; seba.wagner@gmail.com
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
>
>
> Sebastian:****
>
> ****
>
> I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a
> bit more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this
> in production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could
> simply include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for
> all to formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on
> how to put this into a working OM instance, I’d be happy to add the code to
> our test system and then test with a live OM system.****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks so much for working on this.****
>
> Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo <http://www.jellvideo.com/> |
> www.jellnet.com | [image: 3psquare93x77] ****
>
> *Jell Networks, Inc**. *
>
> Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
> *To:* seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
> Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ****
>
> Hi Sebastian,****
>
> ****
>
> I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
> “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application and verify that selecting “*
> useEchoSuppression*” and “*use Enhanced Microphone*” options *really does
> make a great difference in reducing echo.*
>
> ****
>
> Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
> current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.****
>
> ****
>
> I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has
> no internal hardware echo cancellation features.****
>
> ****
>
> After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to
> run test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify
> the effectiveness of this echo test;****
>
> ****
>
> 1) *Test 1* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>
> 2) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
> OpenMeetings server****
>
> 3) Leave “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone” enabled**
> **
>
> 4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s
> menu, select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is selected in the
> microphone tab.****
>
> 5) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>
> 6) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound**
> **
>
> 7) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving
> my broadcasted my video and sound****
>
> 8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself via
> the speakers in the laptop.****
>
> 9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my
> voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being
> picked up by the laptop’s inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed
> echo.****
>
> 10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my
> voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.*
> ***
>
> 11) *Test 2* - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
> test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server****
>
> 12) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
> OpenMeetings server****
>
> 13) I uncheck “useEchoSuppression” and uncheck “Use Enhanced
> Microphone” enabled****
>
> 14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s menu,
> select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is still selected in the
> microphone tab. ****
>
> 15) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”****
>
> 16) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound****
>
> 17) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving my
> broadcasted my video and sound****
>
> 18) As soon as I select “playBroadCast”, the most dreadful squealing
> echo starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.****
>
> 19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost
> unheard, the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume
> up where it is useful, the echo returns.****
>
> ****
>
> Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.****
>
> ****
>
> Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
> activated.****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ****
>
> George Kirkham****
>
> ****
>
> IT Manager****
>
> Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC) ****
>
> NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia****
>
> T: (02) 6120 1600****
>
> F: (02) 6273 7181****
>
> E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au, ****
>
> W: www.co2crc.com.au****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com<se...@gmail.com>]
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
> *To:* George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
> *Cc:* openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
> openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation
> (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings****
>
> ****
>
> Hi George/Joseph,
>
> I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
> settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
>
> I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets
> and a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
>
> Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
> testing application:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
>
> Basically you simply copy:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/WebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
>
> To:
> $RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
>
> a) Then navigate with your browser to:
> http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
> c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
>
> Open a second browser on another machine:
> a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
> b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
> c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
> course!) => play
>
> This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
>
> To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
> reconnect.
>
> Sebastian
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com****
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Posted by "Vincenzo M. Raimondo" <vi...@gmail.com>.
Hi
I'm following with much interest thi test application.
I preface that I not test it yet.
I have two questions about this:
There is possibility to assess whether the echo cancellation can be made better by passing some parameters specific to the functions that implement it ?
You can customize the echo cancellation on the basis of experimental tests carried out in the specific scenario in which the web conference work?
Thanks
From: Joseph Karwat
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:02 AM
To: 'George Kirkham' ; seba.wagner@gmail.com
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org ; openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Sebastian:
I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a bit more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this in production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could simply include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for all to formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on how to put this into a working OM instance, I’d be happy to add the code to our test system and then test with a live OM system.
Thanks so much for working on this.
Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | JellVideo | www.jellnet.com |
Jell Networks, Inc.
Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions
From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
To: seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org; openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi Sebastian,
I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the “test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf” application and verify that selecting “useEchoSuppression” and “use Enhanced Microphone” options really does make a great difference in reducing echo.
Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.
I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has no internal hardware echo cancellation features.
After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to run test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify the effectiveness of this echo test;
1) Test 1 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
2) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my OpenMeetings server
3) Leave “useEchoSuppression” and “Use Enhanced Microphone” enabled
4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s menu, select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is selected in the microphone tab.
5) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”
6) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound
7) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving my broadcasted my video and sound
8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself via the speakers in the laptop.
9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being picked up by the laptop’s inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed echo.
10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.
11) Test 2 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
12) In the “URL:” field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my OpenMeetings server
13) I uncheck “useEchoSuppression” and uncheck “Use Enhanced Microphone” enabled
14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player’s menu, select “Settings…”, and ensure that “Reduce Echo” is still selected in the microphone tab.
15) Connect by selecting “connectRtmpConnection”
16) Select “startBroadCast” to start broadcasting my video and sound
17) Now on the same PC, I select “playBroadCast” to start receiving my broadcasted my video and sound
18) As soon as I select “playBroadCast”, the most dreadful squealing echo starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.
19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost unheard, the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume up where it is useful, the echo returns.
Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.
Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not activated.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
T: (02) 6120 1600
F: (02) 6273 7181
E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
W: www.co2crc.com.au
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
To: George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org; openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi George/Joseph,
I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets and a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the testing application:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testing+Application+Standalone
Basically you simply copy:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/WebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
To:
$RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
a) Then navigate with your browser to:
http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
Open a second browser on another machine:
a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of course!) => play
This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and reconnect.
Sebastian
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo
Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Posted by Raju Bitter <r....@googlemail.com>.
Oh, good to see that someone is using the SWF11 runtime feature! :-)
- Raju
RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Posted by Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com>.
Sebastian:
I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a bit
more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this in
production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could simply
include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for all to
formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on how to put
this into a working OM instance, I'd be happy to add the code to our test
system and then test with a live OM system.
Thanks so much for working on this.
Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | <http://www.jellvideo.com/> JellVideo |
<http://www.jellnet.com/> www.jellnet.com | 3psquare93x77
Jell Networks, Inc.
Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions
From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
To: seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation
(AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi Sebastian,
I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
"test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application and verify that selecting
"useEchoSuppression" and "use Enhanced Microphone" options really does make
a great difference in reducing echo.
Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.
I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has no
internal hardware echo cancellation features.
After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to run
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify the
effectiveness of this echo test;
1) Test 1 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
2) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
OpenMeetings server
3) Leave "useEchoSuppression" and "Use Enhanced Microphone" enabled
4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's menu,
select "Settings.", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is selected in the
microphone tab.
5) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
6) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
7) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving my
broadcasted my video and sound
8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself via
the speakers in the laptop.
9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my
voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being picked
up by the laptop's inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed echo.
10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my
voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.
11) Test 2 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
12) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
OpenMeetings server
13) I uncheck "useEchoSuppression" and uncheck "Use Enhanced Microphone"
enabled
14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's menu,
select "Settings.", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is still selected in the
microphone tab.
15) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
16) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
17) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving my
broadcasted my video and sound
18) As soon as I select "playBroadCast", the most dreadful squealing echo
starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.
19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost unheard,
the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume up where
it is useful, the echo returns.
Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.
Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
activated.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
T: (02) 6120 1600
F: (02) 6273 7181
E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
W: www.co2crc.com.au
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
To: George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in
SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi George/Joseph,
I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets and
a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
testing application:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testin
g+Application+Standalone
Basically you simply copy:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/W
ebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
To:
$RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
a) Then navigate with your browser to:
http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
Open a second browser on another machine:
a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
course!) => play
This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
reconnect.
Sebastian
--
Sebastian Wagner
<https://twitter.com/#%21/dead_lock> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
<http://www.webbase-design.de> http://www.webbase-design.de
<http://www.wagner-sebastian.com> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
<ma...@gmail.com> seba.wagner@gmail.com
RE: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Posted by Joseph Karwat <jk...@jellnet.com>.
Sebastian:
I tested the app for a few minutes with George and still need to test a bit
more to reproduce his findings, but I would echo his desire to put this in
production. It would be easier for all of us to test if you could simply
include the AEC code on the OM Demo (or another public) server for all to
formally test. Alternatively, If you can give me instructions on how to put
this into a working OM instance, I'd be happy to add the code to our test
system and then test with a live OM system.
Thanks so much for working on this.
Joseph Karwat | 415-462-0263 | <http://www.jellvideo.com/> JellVideo |
<http://www.jellnet.com/> www.jellnet.com | 3psquare93x77
Jell Networks, Inc.
Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions
From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirkham@co2crc.com.au]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:00 PM
To: seba.wagner@gmail.com; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: SUCCESS - Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation
(AEC) in SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi Sebastian,
I have managed to set up a test environment where I can use the
"test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf" application and verify that selecting
"useEchoSuppression" and "use Enhanced Microphone" options really does make
a great difference in reducing echo.
Yes, this works just great ! How difficult is it to introduce into the
current OpenMeetings build? It would be worthwhile if you could.
I have one laptop in particular that is good for causing echo, as it has no
internal hardware echo cancellation features.
After setting up an OpenMeetings test server, I then used this laptop to run
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf and below are the steps that I used to verify the
effectiveness of this echo test;
1) Test 1 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
2) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
OpenMeetings server
3) Leave "useEchoSuppression" and "Use Enhanced Microphone" enabled
4) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's menu,
select "Settings.", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is selected in the
microphone tab.
5) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
6) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
7) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving my
broadcasted my video and sound
8) There is a short delay between my speaking and hearing myself via
the speakers in the laptop.
9) I adjust the volume on the speakers so that the play back of my
voice is loud and clear, almost to the point where the sound is being picked
up by the laptop's inbuilt microphone and is producing a delayed echo.
10) Now that all is working well, and I can see my video and hear my
voice, I stop playback, and stop broadcasting, and close the web browser.
11) Test 2 - Open Internet Explorer and connect to
test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf on my OpenMeetings server
12) In the "URL:" field, change 127.0.0.1 to the IP address of my
OpenMeetings server
13) I uncheck "useEchoSuppression" and uncheck "Use Enhanced Microphone"
enabled
14) Right click the test window to bring up Adobe Flash Player's menu,
select "Settings.", and ensure that "Reduce Echo" is still selected in the
microphone tab.
15) Connect by selecting "connectRtmpConnection"
16) Select "startBroadCast" to start broadcasting my video and sound
17) Now on the same PC, I select "playBroadCast" to start receiving my
broadcasted my video and sound
18) As soon as I select "playBroadCast", the most dreadful squealing echo
starts up, and when I speak there is echo of my speech.
19) If I turn the volume right down to where the audio is almost unheard,
the squealing echo stops. But as soon as I try to turn the volume up where
it is useful, the echo returns.
Test 1- No echo when Echo Suppression is enabled.
Test 2 - Background echo is a major issue when Echo Suppression is not
activated.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
T: (02) 6120 1600
F: (02) 6273 7181
E: gkirkham@co2crc.com.au,
W: www.co2crc.com.au
From: seba.wagner@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wagner@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:46 PM
To: George Kirkham; Joseph Karwat
Cc: openmeetings-dev@incubator.apache.org;
openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Testing application to compare Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) in
SWF11 in OpenMeetings
Hi George/Joseph,
I have build a Cam/Mic testing application where you can compare the
settings between AEC and not having AEC in OpenMeetings.
I could not find any difference, however I also have quite good headsets and
a good microphone with build in echo cancellation on MacBookPro.
Please see this description on howto install/test AEC feature with the
testing application:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Camera+Micro+Testin
g+Application+Standalone
Basically you simply copy:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/singlewebapp/W
ebContent/src/test/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
To:
$RED5_HOME/webapps/openmeetings/
a) Then navigate with your browser to:
http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/test-setup.lzx.swf11.swf
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to broadcast => share
Open a second browser on another machine:
a) navigate with your browser to to the same app.
b) Input IP/Host on the top => click connect
c) Choose streamname to play (Has to MATCH the one in the broadcast of
course!) => play
This works of course also vice-versa. So you can make a simple 1:1 chat.
To change settings it is best to press F5 and reload the browser and
reconnect.
Sebastian
--
Sebastian Wagner
<https://twitter.com/#%21/dead_lock> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
<http://www.webbase-design.de> http://www.webbase-design.de
<http://www.wagner-sebastian.com> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
<ma...@gmail.com> seba.wagner@gmail.com