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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Steve Viens <st...@viens.net> on 2003/09/17 19:59:29 UTC
Setup Incubator resources for WS jUDDI Project
The Web Services PMC has voted to accept jUDDI (http://www.juddi.org)
into the Apache Incubator. See the jUDDI Proposal for more
information: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?
ProposalForJUDDI.
All jUDDI committers have been asked to complete and submit the ASF
Contributor License Agreement (mine should already be on file) and I
would now like to respectfully request the following resources be
created to get the move to the Incubator rolling:
Create jUDDI mailing lists and archives:
juddi-dev@ws.apache.org
juddi-user@ws.apache.org
juddi-cvs@ws.apache.org
Create ws-juddi CVS:
configure viewcvs
commit mails should be sent to: juddi-cvs@ws.apache.org
Setup jUDDI Wiki area
Setup jUDDI Bugzilla
Please let me know if the "general@incubator.apache.org" list is not
the correct place/mechanism to make these requests.
Thanks.
Steve
steve@viens.net
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Re: Setup Incubator resources for WS jUDDI Project
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:39:49 +0200
Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Uuhhmmm. Not sure but I think that it is reasonable to split
> > the mailing lists into user/dev/cvs from the beginning.
> All "small" projects are much better off with one single mailing list,
> where developers and users are more involved together. Split happens
> when the traffic becomes two high for both parties.
> It's quite easy to add a user mailing list after a couple of weeks of
> evident high traffic.
It should depend upon the decision of each TLP PMC members, not
Incubator ... don't you think so?
__ Tetsuya <te...@apache.org> __
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Re: Setup Incubator resources for WS jUDDI Project
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:11:45 -0700
> Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:59:29AM -0700, Steve Viens wrote:
>>
>>>...
>>> Create jUDDI mailing lists and archives:
>>> juddi-dev@ws.apache.org
>>> juddi-user@ws.apache.org
>>> juddi-cvs@ws.apache.org
>
>>What is the size of this project's community? For starting communities,
>>I disagree with the notion of separating the dev and user groups. I
>>think all discussion ought to happen on the dev list, in front of the
>>people who are implementing the code. The devs should not be that out
>>of touch from their users.
>
>>If the community is already large, and the split is necessary, then
>>fine. But the experience on incubated projects has pretty uniformly
>>shown that the split is not justified.
>
> Uuhhmmm. Not sure but I think that it is reasonable to split
> the mailing lists into user/dev/cvs from the beginning.
All "small" projects are much better off with one single mailing list,
where developers and users are more involved together. Split happens
when the traffic becomes two high for both parties.
It's quite easy to add a user mailing list after a couple of weeks of
evident high traffic.
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: Setup Incubator resources for WS jUDDI Project
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:11:45 -0700
Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:59:29AM -0700, Steve Viens wrote:
> >...
> > Create jUDDI mailing lists and archives:
> > juddi-dev@ws.apache.org
> > juddi-user@ws.apache.org
> > juddi-cvs@ws.apache.org
> What is the size of this project's community? For starting communities,
> I disagree with the notion of separating the dev and user groups. I
> think all discussion ought to happen on the dev list, in front of the
> people who are implementing the code. The devs should not be that out
> of touch from their users.
> If the community is already large, and the split is necessary, then
> fine. But the experience on incubated projects has pretty uniformly
> shown that the split is not justified.
Uuhhmmm. Not sure but I think that it is reasonable to split
the mailing lists into user/dev/cvs from the beginning.
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"A bad habit is easy to get into and hard to get rid of."
---------------------------------------------------------
The only one thing I can say is that the moderators of
"three jUDDI mailing lists" should keep the piercing eyes to
the upcoming mails in order to fight against the spam mails.
I can not endure to stand by and watch the spam mails to be
injected into the sacred mailing lists in apache.org.
> > juddi-dev@ws.apache.org
> > juddi-user@ws.apache.org
> > juddi-cvs@ws.apache.org
would be reasonable.
> However, you should also provide patches to the incubator-site module
> to get the relevant Incubator web pages fixed up properly. And where
> you see other patches about the Incubator process or info or whatever,
> submit those, too. The Incubator site itself needs assistance...
I'd love to assist. How can I?
Cheers,
-----------------------------------------------------------
Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc.
E-mail: tetsuya@apache.org http://www.terra-intl.com/
(Accredited Herrmann Brain Dominance Instrument Facilitator)
http://www.hbdi.com/
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Re: Please create a juddi-user@ws.apache.org list.
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
+1 from me. CC'ing pmc@ws.
-- dims
--- Steve Viens <st...@viens.net> wrote:
> After some consideration we would like to restate our original request
> for the creation of a juddi-user mailing list. This is how the project
> has been organized for the past 3 years and the current juddi-dev (17)
> and juddi-user (123) subscribers have become comfortable with this
> division.
>
> Currently almost all juddi-dev subscribers are also subscribed to
> juddi-user and we expect that to also be the case once a
> "juddi-user@ws.apache.org" list has been created. We're unconcerned that
> requests for support sent to the juddi-user list will go unanswered by
> Committers since this hasn't been an issue to date (there's no
> precedence for it on our lists).
>
> I've sent a requst to the contact at the http://marc.theaimsgroup.com
> website requesting that the juddi-dev list be archived. I'll plan to
> request that the juddi-user list be archived as well once it's created.
>
> Also, if possible we would like messages sent to the juddi-dev and
> juddi-user lists to be archived in The Mail Archive as well
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/). Unfortunately, The Mail Archive will not
> respond to "confirmation requests" so the procedure for doing this is to
> have the list administrator add a subscription for
> "archive@mail-archive.com".
>
> Visit http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#newlist for more information
> on adding a list to The Mail Archive.
>
> Steve
> sviens@apache.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Stein [mailto:gstein@lyra.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:12 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org; steve@viens.net
> Cc: dims@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Setup Incubator resources for WS jUDDI Project
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:59:29AM -0700, Steve Viens wrote:
> >...
> > Create jUDDI mailing lists and archives:
> > juddi-dev@ws.apache.org
> > juddi-user@ws.apache.org
> > juddi-cvs@ws.apache.org
>
> What is the size of this project's community? For starting communities,
> I disagree with the notion of separating the dev and user groups. I
> think all discussion ought to happen on the dev list, in front of the
> people who are implementing the code. The devs should not be that out of
> touch from their users.
>
> If the community is already large, and the split is necessary, then
> fine. But the experience on incubated projects has pretty uniformly
> shown that the split is not justified.
>
> >...
> > Please let me know if the "general@incubator.apache.org" list is not
> >the correct place/mechanism to make these requests.
>
> Yup, this is the right place. I see that Dims is the shepherd, so he
> will be tracking to make sure that things get done for you.
>
> However, you should also provide patches to the incubator-site module to
> get the relevant Incubator web pages fixed up properly. And where you
> see other patches about the Incubator process or info or whatever,
> submit those, too. The Incubator site itself needs assistance...
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
> --
> Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
>
>
>
>
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Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
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Please create a juddi-user@ws.apache.org list.
Posted by Steve Viens <st...@viens.net>.
After some consideration we would like to restate our original request
for the creation of a juddi-user mailing list. This is how the project
has been organized for the past 3 years and the current juddi-dev (17)
and juddi-user (123) subscribers have become comfortable with this
division.
Currently almost all juddi-dev subscribers are also subscribed to
juddi-user and we expect that to also be the case once a
"juddi-user@ws.apache.org" list has been created. We're unconcerned that
requests for support sent to the juddi-user list will go unanswered by
Committers since this hasn't been an issue to date (there's no
precedence for it on our lists).
I've sent a requst to the contact at the http://marc.theaimsgroup.com
website requesting that the juddi-dev list be archived. I'll plan to
request that the juddi-user list be archived as well once it's created.
Also, if possible we would like messages sent to the juddi-dev and
juddi-user lists to be archived in The Mail Archive as well
(http://www.mail-archive.com/). Unfortunately, The Mail Archive will not
respond to "confirmation requests" so the procedure for doing this is to
have the list administrator add a subscription for
"archive@mail-archive.com".
Visit http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#newlist for more information
on adding a list to The Mail Archive.
Steve
sviens@apache.org
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From: Greg Stein [mailto:gstein@lyra.org]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:12 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org; steve@viens.net
Cc: dims@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Setup Incubator resources for WS jUDDI Project
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:59:29AM -0700, Steve Viens wrote:
>...
> Create jUDDI mailing lists and archives:
> juddi-dev@ws.apache.org
> juddi-user@ws.apache.org
> juddi-cvs@ws.apache.org
What is the size of this project's community? For starting communities,
I disagree with the notion of separating the dev and user groups. I
think all discussion ought to happen on the dev list, in front of the
people who are implementing the code. The devs should not be that out of
touch from their users.
If the community is already large, and the split is necessary, then
fine. But the experience on incubated projects has pretty uniformly
shown that the split is not justified.
>...
> Please let me know if the "general@incubator.apache.org" list is not
>the correct place/mechanism to make these requests.
Yup, this is the right place. I see that Dims is the shepherd, so he
will be tracking to make sure that things get done for you.
However, you should also provide patches to the incubator-site module to
get the relevant Incubator web pages fixed up properly. And where you
see other patches about the Incubator process or info or whatever,
submit those, too. The Incubator site itself needs assistance...
Cheers,
-g
--
Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
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Re: Setup Incubator resources for WS jUDDI Project
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org>.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:59:29AM -0700, Steve Viens wrote:
>...
> Create jUDDI mailing lists and archives:
> juddi-dev@ws.apache.org
> juddi-user@ws.apache.org
> juddi-cvs@ws.apache.org
What is the size of this project's community? For starting communities, I
disagree with the notion of separating the dev and user groups. I think
all discussion ought to happen on the dev list, in front of the people who
are implementing the code. The devs should not be that out of touch from
their users.
If the community is already large, and the split is necessary, then fine.
But the experience on incubated projects has pretty uniformly shown that
the split is not justified.
>...
> Please let me know if the "general@incubator.apache.org" list is not
> the correct place/mechanism to make these requests.
Yup, this is the right place. I see that Dims is the shepherd, so he will
be tracking to make sure that things get done for you.
However, you should also provide patches to the incubator-site module to
get the relevant Incubator web pages fixed up properly. And where you see
other patches about the Incubator process or info or whatever, submit
those, too. The Incubator site itself needs assistance...
Cheers,
-g
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