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Posted to user@jmeter.apache.org by Dmitry Kudrenko <dm...@ardas.dp.ua> on 2007/10/26 12:27:59 UTC
Re[2]: Interest for a combination of JMeter with HtmlUnit / WebTest for AJAX load testing?
SC> Dmitry, Subrahmanya: I think the traditional boundaries between
SC> performance and functional testing will get more blurred with time.
SC> After all, it's isn't not very useful performance testing a complex
SC> application if it doesn't function properly and the testing application
SC> cannot detect the misbehavior.
Yes, I am partially with you, we can't ignore functional testing.
It is because I am using both JMeter and CanooWebTests for my
web applications. One for perfomance another for functional testing.
Every day browsers are implemented a lot of complex technologies and
tomorrow clients will be more complex than today. But clients
generally communicate with server using requests and responses. And
seems it will be so for a long time yet.
Client PC (where testing tool is lunching) should be much more
powerful than server PC, if we will join 2 very useful and powerful
approaches in one for testing performance. If it will be so,
performance testing should be clustered or dead.
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Re: Interest for a combination of JMeter with HtmlUnit / WebTest for AJAX load testing?
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
There's probably an error in the console; it's tricky catching errors
detected in the gui event thread.
Until the exact cause of the problem is known, it's impossible to say
whether this would affect the creation of an HtmlUnit plugin. That is
something the plugin developer would need to resolve.
I'm not sure it makes sense to discuss this on the JMeter user list.
On 30/10/2007, Woody Aichner <wa...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> I copied the lib directory from HtmlUnit into the lib directory of Jmeter.
> When I open an existing testplan (.jmx file) none of the child elements of
> the User Threads element appear in the GUI.
>
> There is no error in the jmeter.log file.
>
> Woody
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc Guillemot" <mg...@yahoo.fr>
> To: "JMeter Users List" <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Interest for a combination of JMeter with HtmlUnit / WebTest
> for AJAX load testing?
>
>
> > sebb wrote:
> >> On 29/10/2007, Woody Aichner <wa...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>> I just looked the HtmlUnit and the dependent jars. This could create a
> >>> problem:
> >>>
> >>> jaxen-1.1.1.jar not used by Jmeter
> >>> commons-collections-3.2.jar same as Jmeter
> >>> commons-lang-2.3.jar same as Jmeter
> >>> commons-httpclient-3.0.1.jar Jmeter uses
> >>> commons-httpclient-3.1.jar
> >>
> >> If HtmlUnit does not work with 3.1, then that is definitely a problem
> >> - and not just for JMeter ;-)
> >
> > HtmlUnit uses 3.1 since its available on maven repositories. No release
> > has been published since this time therefore it's currently only on the
> > SVN head.
> >
> >>
> >>> comons-codec-1.3.jar same as Jmeter
> >>> js-1.6R5.jar Jmeter us js_rhino1_6R5
> >>> (not
> >>> sure this is the same thing or not)
> >>
> >> Probably same.
> >
> > in fact this is now 1.6R7, but I doubt that this would cause problems
> >
> > same thing with the other jars: I don't think that there are any
> > incompatibilities there.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Marc.
> > --
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> >
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Re: Interest for a combination of JMeter with HtmlUnit / WebTest for AJAX load testing?
Posted by Woody Aichner <wa...@nc.rr.com>.
I copied the lib directory from HtmlUnit into the lib directory of Jmeter.
When I open an existing testplan (.jmx file) none of the child elements of
the User Threads element appear in the GUI.
There is no error in the jmeter.log file.
Woody
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Guillemot" <mg...@yahoo.fr>
To: "JMeter Users List" <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Interest for a combination of JMeter with HtmlUnit / WebTest
for AJAX load testing?
> sebb wrote:
>> On 29/10/2007, Woody Aichner <wa...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>> I just looked the HtmlUnit and the dependent jars. This could create a
>>> problem:
>>>
>>> jaxen-1.1.1.jar not used by Jmeter
>>> commons-collections-3.2.jar same as Jmeter
>>> commons-lang-2.3.jar same as Jmeter
>>> commons-httpclient-3.0.1.jar Jmeter uses
>>> commons-httpclient-3.1.jar
>>
>> If HtmlUnit does not work with 3.1, then that is definitely a problem
>> - and not just for JMeter ;-)
>
> HtmlUnit uses 3.1 since its available on maven repositories. No release
> has been published since this time therefore it's currently only on the
> SVN head.
>
>>
>>> comons-codec-1.3.jar same as Jmeter
>>> js-1.6R5.jar Jmeter us js_rhino1_6R5
>>> (not
>>> sure this is the same thing or not)
>>
>> Probably same.
>
> in fact this is now 1.6R7, but I doubt that this would cause problems
>
> same thing with the other jars: I don't think that there are any
> incompatibilities there.
>
> Cheers,
> Marc.
> --
> Blog: http://mguillem.wordpress.com
>
>
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Re: Interest for a combination of JMeter with HtmlUnit / WebTest
for AJAX load testing?
Posted by Marc Guillemot <mg...@yahoo.fr>.
sebb wrote:
> On 29/10/2007, Woody Aichner <wa...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>> I just looked the HtmlUnit and the dependent jars. This could create a
>> problem:
>>
>> jaxen-1.1.1.jar not used by Jmeter
>> commons-collections-3.2.jar same as Jmeter
>> commons-lang-2.3.jar same as Jmeter
>> commons-httpclient-3.0.1.jar Jmeter uses commons-httpclient-3.1.jar
>
> If HtmlUnit does not work with 3.1, then that is definitely a problem
> - and not just for JMeter ;-)
HtmlUnit uses 3.1 since its available on maven repositories. No release
has been published since this time therefore it's currently only on the
SVN head.
>
>> comons-codec-1.3.jar same as Jmeter
>> js-1.6R5.jar Jmeter us js_rhino1_6R5 (not
>> sure this is the same thing or not)
>
> Probably same.
in fact this is now 1.6R7, but I doubt that this would cause problems
same thing with the other jars: I don't think that there are any
incompatibilities there.
Cheers,
Marc.
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Re: Re[2]: Interest for a combination of JMeter with HtmlUnit / WebTest for AJAX load testing?
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 29/10/2007, Woody Aichner <wa...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> I just looked the HtmlUnit and the dependent jars. This could create a
> problem:
>
> jaxen-1.1.1.jar not used by Jmeter
> commons-collections-3.2.jar same as Jmeter
> commons-lang-2.3.jar same as Jmeter
> commons-httpclient-3.0.1.jar Jmeter uses commons-httpclient-3.1.jar
If HtmlUnit does not work with 3.1, then that is definitely a problem
- and not just for JMeter ;-)
> comons-codec-1.3.jar same as Jmeter
> js-1.6R5.jar Jmeter us js_rhino1_6R5 (not
> sure this is the same thing or not)
Probably same.
> xercesImpl-2.6.2.jar Jmeter uses xercesImpl.jar
JMeter is using xalan 2.7.0. It used to use an earlier version; no
code changes were needed when updating so it's unlikely to be a
problem for HtmlUnit either.
> xmlParserAPIs-2.6.2.jar not used by Jmeter
Seems to be part of xerces.
> nekohtml-0.9.5.jar not used by Jmeter
> commons-logging-1.1.jar same as Jmeter
> commons-io-1.3.1.jar same as Jmeter
I don't think there is a problem here.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sebb" <se...@gmail.com>
> To: "JMeter Users List" <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Interest for a combination of JMeter with HtmlUnit /
> WebTest for AJAX load testing?
>
>
> >I think that adding extra processing to JMeter to deal with processing
> > client-side Javascript is counter-productive in general.
> >
> > Although it would be convenient for some tests, it's a waste to keep
> > reprocessing the Javascript in order to decide what URL to sample next
> > - or to keep scanning the HTML to find out how to submit a particular
> > form. Using the JMeter Proxy to record the session allows the work to
> > be done by the browser when creating the test plan; it does not have
> > to be repeated for every test.
> >
> > However, if anyone wants to develop an HtmlUnit sampler it could be
> > done as an optional plugin.
> >
> > The HtmlUnit API seems fairly straight-forward - it could be called
> > from a BeanShell sampler, at least as proof of concept.
> >
> > But I suspect that designing a GUI for it would not be trivial.
> >
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Re: Re[2]: Interest for a combination of JMeter with HtmlUnit / WebTest for AJAX load testing?
Posted by Woody Aichner <wa...@nc.rr.com>.
I just looked the HtmlUnit and the dependent jars. This could create a
problem:
jaxen-1.1.1.jar not used by Jmeter
commons-collections-3.2.jar same as Jmeter
commons-lang-2.3.jar same as Jmeter
commons-httpclient-3.0.1.jar Jmeter uses commons-httpclient-3.1.jar
comons-codec-1.3.jar same as Jmeter
js-1.6R5.jar Jmeter us js_rhino1_6R5 (not
sure this is the same thing or not)
xercesImpl-2.6.2.jar Jmeter uses xercesImpl.jar
xmlParserAPIs-2.6.2.jar not used by Jmeter
nekohtml-0.9.5.jar not used by Jmeter
commons-logging-1.1.jar same as Jmeter
commons-io-1.3.1.jar same as Jmeter
----- Original Message -----
From: "sebb" <se...@gmail.com>
To: "JMeter Users List" <jm...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Interest for a combination of JMeter with HtmlUnit /
WebTest for AJAX load testing?
>I think that adding extra processing to JMeter to deal with processing
> client-side Javascript is counter-productive in general.
>
> Although it would be convenient for some tests, it's a waste to keep
> reprocessing the Javascript in order to decide what URL to sample next
> - or to keep scanning the HTML to find out how to submit a particular
> form. Using the JMeter Proxy to record the session allows the work to
> be done by the browser when creating the test plan; it does not have
> to be repeated for every test.
>
> However, if anyone wants to develop an HtmlUnit sampler it could be
> done as an optional plugin.
>
> The HtmlUnit API seems fairly straight-forward - it could be called
> from a BeanShell sampler, at least as proof of concept.
>
> But I suspect that designing a GUI for it would not be trivial.
>
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Re: Interest for a combination of JMeter with HtmlUnit / WebTest
for AJAX load testing?
Posted by Marc Guillemot <mg...@yahoo.fr>.
sebb wrote:
> I think that adding extra processing to JMeter to deal with processing
> client-side Javascript is counter-productive in general.
I agree for the "in general".
Load testing is not producing a DoS on the server therefore I think that
what really matters is the ability to reach the charge that should be
tested.
> Although it would be convenient for some tests, it's a waste to keep
> reprocessing the Javascript in order to decide what URL to sample next
> - or to keep scanning the HTML to find out how to submit a particular
> form. Using the JMeter Proxy to record the session allows the work to
> be done by the browser when creating the test plan; it does not have
> to be repeated for every test.
It's not that simple. With even more logic on the client side, captured
request aren't necessary those that should occur each time.
Just imagine an application that asks the server for the number of
logged in visitors and depending on that can have different behavior.
When you record your test you will have a single user and this is what
you would simulate with a large number of users. This may be interesting
but this would have nothing to do with the real load that could happen
on the application.
An additional point is the maintainability.
Cheers,
Marc.
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Re: Re[2]: Interest for a combination of JMeter with HtmlUnit / WebTest for AJAX load testing?
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
I think that adding extra processing to JMeter to deal with processing
client-side Javascript is counter-productive in general.
Although it would be convenient for some tests, it's a waste to keep
reprocessing the Javascript in order to decide what URL to sample next
- or to keep scanning the HTML to find out how to submit a particular
form. Using the JMeter Proxy to record the session allows the work to
be done by the browser when creating the test plan; it does not have
to be repeated for every test.
However, if anyone wants to develop an HtmlUnit sampler it could be
done as an optional plugin.
The HtmlUnit API seems fairly straight-forward - it could be called
from a BeanShell sampler, at least as proof of concept.
But I suspect that designing a GUI for it would not be trivial.
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