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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca> on 2020/04/19 17:05:13 UTC
Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
Just loaded up Beta 3 and of course it desperately want to load nb-javac 2 (possibly 2.1). Loaded up a project that used Java 14 record and it declared it an error with no hope for redemption. Deleted all the nb-javac files from the C:\devapp\NB\USERDIR\12.0-beta3\modules folder (I prefer my USERDIR and CACHE where I can find them easily) and then NB was happy with Java 14's compiler and with records after asking me if I wanted to use preview features..
Could someone point me to where I could learn what the advantage of nb-javac is over javac?
Ken
Re: Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Here is the issue with the related PR referenced within it, you are welcome
to add your comments and insights on the important of this in the PR:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-4078
Gj
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:55 PM Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
wrote:
>
> Yes, indeed, and this will be fixed in Beta 4.
>
> There is a pull request ready for this.
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 22:54, Mark Eggers <it...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I noticed this as well when I built Netbeans from source in order to
>> test a patch.
>>
>> I needed to at least activate the Java SE plugins in order to get the
>> Maven repository entry to show up in Services. This required me to
>> install nb-javac, even though I was running on JDK 11.
>>
>> The build was done on JDK 8, but I'm not sure why that should be an
>> issue. If it's of interest, I can build with JDK 11 to see if this still
>> happens.
>>
>> . . . just my two cents
>> /mde/
>>
>> On 4/19/2020 1:36 PM, Kenneth Fogel wrote:
>> > Then why doesn't NetBeans take no for an answer. It now shows as a
>> notification on the status bar. It should no longer be a default. When NB
>> wants to install the FX components it also installs nb-javac, no option not
>> to. Then we have to go into userdir and clean it out. With that done it now
>> pesters us with a notification. Using Beta 3.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
>> > Sent: April 19, 2020 1:49 PM
>> > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
>> >
>> > Pretty much the first result when you google the term “nb-javac”:
>> >
>> > https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/what-s-nb-javac-in
>> >
>> > Gj
>> >
>> > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:36, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> This has been discussed at VERY great length at this point on this
>> >> mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> In 12.0, from beta 4 onwards, only if you’re running on JDK 8 will you
>> >> need to install nb-javac.
>> >>
>> >> Please spend some time looking through this mailing list around this
>> >> topic, including the purpose of nb-javac, everything has been repeated
>> >> enough times at this point.
>> >>
>> >> Gj
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:13, Kenneth Fogel
>> >> <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Just loaded up Beta 3 and of course it desperately want to load
>> >>> nb-javac
>> >>> 2 (possibly 2.1). Loaded up a project that used Java 14 record and it
>> >>> declared it an error with no hope for redemption. Deleted all the
>> >>> nb-javac files from the C:\devapp\NB\USERDIR\12.0-beta3\modules
>> >>> folder (I prefer my USERDIR and CACHE where I can find them easily)
>> >>> and then NB was happy with Java 14's compiler and with records after
>> >>> asking me if I wanted to use preview features..
>> >>>
>> >>> Could someone point me to where I could learn what the advantage of
>> >>> nb-javac is over javac?
>> >>>
>> >>> Ken
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
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>>
>>
>>
Re: Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Yes, indeed, and this will be fixed in Beta 4.
There is a pull request ready for this.
Gj
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 22:54, Mark Eggers <it...@yahoo.com.invalid>
wrote:
> I noticed this as well when I built Netbeans from source in order to
> test a patch.
>
> I needed to at least activate the Java SE plugins in order to get the
> Maven repository entry to show up in Services. This required me to
> install nb-javac, even though I was running on JDK 11.
>
> The build was done on JDK 8, but I'm not sure why that should be an
> issue. If it's of interest, I can build with JDK 11 to see if this still
> happens.
>
> . . . just my two cents
> /mde/
>
> On 4/19/2020 1:36 PM, Kenneth Fogel wrote:
> > Then why doesn't NetBeans take no for an answer. It now shows as a
> notification on the status bar. It should no longer be a default. When NB
> wants to install the FX components it also installs nb-javac, no option not
> to. Then we have to go into userdir and clean it out. With that done it now
> pesters us with a notification. Using Beta 3.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> > Sent: April 19, 2020 1:49 PM
> > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
> >
> > Pretty much the first result when you google the term “nb-javac”:
> >
> > https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/what-s-nb-javac-in
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:36, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> This has been discussed at VERY great length at this point on this
> >> mailing list.
> >>
> >> In 12.0, from beta 4 onwards, only if you’re running on JDK 8 will you
> >> need to install nb-javac.
> >>
> >> Please spend some time looking through this mailing list around this
> >> topic, including the purpose of nb-javac, everything has been repeated
> >> enough times at this point.
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:13, Kenneth Fogel
> >> <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just loaded up Beta 3 and of course it desperately want to load
> >>> nb-javac
> >>> 2 (possibly 2.1). Loaded up a project that used Java 14 record and it
> >>> declared it an error with no hope for redemption. Deleted all the
> >>> nb-javac files from the C:\devapp\NB\USERDIR\12.0-beta3\modules
> >>> folder (I prefer my USERDIR and CACHE where I can find them easily)
> >>> and then NB was happy with Java 14's compiler and with records after
> >>> asking me if I wanted to use preview features..
> >>>
> >>> Could someone point me to where I could learn what the advantage of
> >>> nb-javac is over javac?
> >>>
> >>> Ken
> >>>
> >>>
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Re: Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
Posted by Mark Eggers <it...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
I noticed this as well when I built Netbeans from source in order to
test a patch.
I needed to at least activate the Java SE plugins in order to get the
Maven repository entry to show up in Services. This required me to
install nb-javac, even though I was running on JDK 11.
The build was done on JDK 8, but I'm not sure why that should be an
issue. If it's of interest, I can build with JDK 11 to see if this still
happens.
. . . just my two cents
/mde/
On 4/19/2020 1:36 PM, Kenneth Fogel wrote:
> Then why doesn't NetBeans take no for an answer. It now shows as a notification on the status bar. It should no longer be a default. When NB wants to install the FX components it also installs nb-javac, no option not to. Then we have to go into userdir and clean it out. With that done it now pesters us with a notification. Using Beta 3.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> Sent: April 19, 2020 1:49 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
>
> Pretty much the first result when you google the term “nb-javac”:
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/what-s-nb-javac-in
>
> Gj
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:36, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> This has been discussed at VERY great length at this point on this
>> mailing list.
>>
>> In 12.0, from beta 4 onwards, only if you’re running on JDK 8 will you
>> need to install nb-javac.
>>
>> Please spend some time looking through this mailing list around this
>> topic, including the purpose of nb-javac, everything has been repeated
>> enough times at this point.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:13, Kenneth Fogel
>> <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just loaded up Beta 3 and of course it desperately want to load
>>> nb-javac
>>> 2 (possibly 2.1). Loaded up a project that used Java 14 record and it
>>> declared it an error with no hope for redemption. Deleted all the
>>> nb-javac files from the C:\devapp\NB\USERDIR\12.0-beta3\modules
>>> folder (I prefer my USERDIR and CACHE where I can find them easily)
>>> and then NB was happy with Java 14's compiler and with records after
>>> asking me if I wanted to use preview features..
>>>
>>> Could someone point me to where I could learn what the advantage of
>>> nb-javac is over javac?
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>
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>
>
>
Re: Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 21:47, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
> Again, this will be fixed in Beta 4.
The notification won't as yet?! But more to the point, what happened
to the promised nb-javac with JDK 14 support? We've had a thread
already on saying goodbye to nb-javac in 12.1, but are we in danger of
going a bit too far at this late stage of 12.0 release?
Fixing anything that forces nb-javac to be installed, including on JDK
8, should be done. But JDK 11 experience is still sub-optimal without
nb-javac.
Also, AFAIK we are still going to have difficulties shipping updates
to either nb-javac or JavaFX in the release.
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Again, this will be fixed in Beta 4.
What you are doing in userdir is the equivalent to going to the Plugin
Manager and uninstalling nb-javac.
This behavior is identical to previous releases and will be fixed in Beta 4.
Gj
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 22:36, Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
wrote:
> Then why doesn't NetBeans take no for an answer. It now shows as a
> notification on the status bar. It should no longer be a default. When NB
> wants to install the FX components it also installs nb-javac, no option not
> to. Then we have to go into userdir and clean it out. With that done it now
> pesters us with a notification. Using Beta 3.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> Sent: April 19, 2020 1:49 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
>
> Pretty much the first result when you google the term “nb-javac”:
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/what-s-nb-javac-in
>
> Gj
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:36, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > This has been discussed at VERY great length at this point on this
> > mailing list.
> >
> > In 12.0, from beta 4 onwards, only if you’re running on JDK 8 will you
> > need to install nb-javac.
> >
> > Please spend some time looking through this mailing list around this
> > topic, including the purpose of nb-javac, everything has been repeated
> > enough times at this point.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:13, Kenneth Fogel
> > <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Just loaded up Beta 3 and of course it desperately want to load
> >> nb-javac
> >> 2 (possibly 2.1). Loaded up a project that used Java 14 record and it
> >> declared it an error with no hope for redemption. Deleted all the
> >> nb-javac files from the C:\devapp\NB\USERDIR\12.0-beta3\modules
> >> folder (I prefer my USERDIR and CACHE where I can find them easily)
> >> and then NB was happy with Java 14's compiler and with records after
> >> asking me if I wanted to use preview features..
> >>
> >> Could someone point me to where I could learn what the advantage of
> >> nb-javac is over javac?
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >>
>
RE: Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
Posted by Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>.
Then why doesn't NetBeans take no for an answer. It now shows as a notification on the status bar. It should no longer be a default. When NB wants to install the FX components it also installs nb-javac, no option not to. Then we have to go into userdir and clean it out. With that done it now pesters us with a notification. Using Beta 3.
-----Original Message-----
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
Sent: April 19, 2020 1:49 PM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
Pretty much the first result when you google the term “nb-javac”:
https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/what-s-nb-javac-in
Gj
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:36, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> This has been discussed at VERY great length at this point on this
> mailing list.
>
> In 12.0, from beta 4 onwards, only if you’re running on JDK 8 will you
> need to install nb-javac.
>
> Please spend some time looking through this mailing list around this
> topic, including the purpose of nb-javac, everything has been repeated
> enough times at this point.
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:13, Kenneth Fogel
> <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Just loaded up Beta 3 and of course it desperately want to load
>> nb-javac
>> 2 (possibly 2.1). Loaded up a project that used Java 14 record and it
>> declared it an error with no hope for redemption. Deleted all the
>> nb-javac files from the C:\devapp\NB\USERDIR\12.0-beta3\modules
>> folder (I prefer my USERDIR and CACHE where I can find them easily)
>> and then NB was happy with Java 14's compiler and with records after
>> asking me if I wanted to use preview features..
>>
>> Could someone point me to where I could learn what the advantage of
>> nb-javac is over javac?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
Re: Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Pretty much the first result when you google the term “nb-javac”:
https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/what-s-nb-javac-in
Gj
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:36, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> This has been discussed at VERY great length at this point on this mailing
> list.
>
> In 12.0, from beta 4 onwards, only if you’re running on JDK 8 will you
> need to install nb-javac.
>
> Please spend some time looking through this mailing list around this
> topic, including the purpose of nb-javac, everything has been repeated
> enough times at this point.
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:13, Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Just loaded up Beta 3 and of course it desperately want to load nb-javac
>> 2 (possibly 2.1). Loaded up a project that used Java 14 record and it
>> declared it an error with no hope for redemption. Deleted all the nb-javac
>> files from the C:\devapp\NB\USERDIR\12.0-beta3\modules folder (I prefer my
>> USERDIR and CACHE where I can find them easily) and then NB was happy with
>> Java 14's compiler and with records after asking me if I wanted to use
>> preview features..
>>
>> Could someone point me to where I could learn what the advantage of
>> nb-javac is over javac?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
Re: Can we say good-bye to nb-javac
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
This has been discussed at VERY great length at this point on this mailing
list.
In 12.0, from beta 4 onwards, only if you’re running on JDK 8 will you need
to install nb-javac.
Please spend some time looking through this mailing list around this topic,
including the purpose of nb-javac, everything has been repeated enough
times at this point.
Gj
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:13, Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
wrote:
> Just loaded up Beta 3 and of course it desperately want to load nb-javac 2
> (possibly 2.1). Loaded up a project that used Java 14 record and it
> declared it an error with no hope for redemption. Deleted all the nb-javac
> files from the C:\devapp\NB\USERDIR\12.0-beta3\modules folder (I prefer my
> USERDIR and CACHE where I can find them easily) and then NB was happy with
> Java 14's compiler and with records after asking me if I wanted to use
> preview features..
>
> Could someone point me to where I could learn what the advantage of
> nb-javac is over javac?
>
> Ken
>
>