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Posted to users@tapestry.apache.org by Mauro Sergio Silva <ma...@automaware.com.br> on 2004/02/10 03:56:44 UTC
Business
Hi,
I'm using Tapestry and Hibernate as part of my framework to develop
applications used by my company, but as a consultant to financial
institution I have a big problem.
Stay way from J2EE specification like JSF/JSP and JDO/JDBC is a big
decision and the CIO's prefer share risks with someone else.
Use Hibernate in a Financial Institution is a very easy decision, why,
Because Hibernate Documentation and Big community, well this a decision
to me in my little company and my little clients don't have any idea
about frameworks J2EE and other stuffs, they just by some kind of
solution and that's all, but what really meter in
A large company is support, It's a magic word, and as soon as Hibernate
stuffs associate with Jboss Group, all my problems have gone. Jboss is
very popular hear In Brazil, because It's used by little companies and
the big one can by some kind of support any time they want, or need it.
Anyone in tapestry community has some idea about how do a think like
this with tapestry???
RES: Business
Posted by Mauro Sérgio Silva <ma...@automaware.com.br>.
Hi Adam and Erik,
Thanks you both about the answer, this thread will be very useful in my
argumentation, mainly the financial case.
Sorry about my English, but I'm a defense of both Tapestry and
Hibernate, my problem stay in convince someone else, no doubt Tapestry
and Hibernate Rocks (a long work studding every piece of frameworks was
done by me and my partners and they are survivors!!!).
-----Mensagem original-----
De: Adam Greene [mailto:agreene@romulin.com]
Enviada em: terça-feira, 10 de fevereiro de 2004 09:59
Para: Tapestry users
Assunto: RE: Business
Our company services the financial industry as well and for the most
part we
have not had anyone say "Boo" about what we use. Mind you, we are
working
with Credit Unions (though one has over 15 branches) and we have 15
Credit
Unions on our platform (Which is Tapestry and Torque). The only person
to
complain about us using Tapestry was a competitor (and we are talking
about
how we might work together).
-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:erik@ehatchersolutions.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:17 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Business
How does support from the creator of Tapestry itself sound?
http://www.howardlewisship.com/
He did a two day training session on-site for us and he did a fantastic
job and saved us a substantial ramp-up time.
And perhaps in a few months I'd be willing to do some Tapestry
consulting when Howard is so busy he cannot fit another gig in and subs
jobs out to others :))
Your concern about not using the built-in pieces to the specification
is a strong one, but I prefer to work with quality, not necessarily
mainstream.
Erik
On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:56 PM, Mauro Sergio Silva wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using Tapestry and Hibernate as part of my framework to develop
> applications used by my company, but as a consultant to financial
> institution I have a big problem.
> Stay way from J2EE specification like JSF/JSP and JDO/JDBC is a big
> decision and the CIO's prefer share risks with someone else.
> Use Hibernate in a Financial Institution is a very easy decision,
why,
> Because Hibernate Documentation and Big community, well this a
> decision
> to me in my little company and my little clients don't have any idea
> about frameworks J2EE and other stuffs, they just by some kind of
> solution and that's all, but what really meter in
> A large company is support, It's a magic word, and as soon as
Hibernate
> stuffs associate with Jboss Group, all my problems have gone. Jboss is
> very popular hear In Brazil, because It's used by little companies and
> the big one can by some kind of support any time they want, or need
it.
>
> Anyone in tapestry community has some idea about how do a think like
> this with tapestry???
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RE: Business
Posted by Adam Greene <ag...@romulin.com>.
Our company services the financial industry as well and for the most part we
have not had anyone say "Boo" about what we use. Mind you, we are working
with Credit Unions (though one has over 15 branches) and we have 15 Credit
Unions on our platform (Which is Tapestry and Torque). The only person to
complain about us using Tapestry was a competitor (and we are talking about
how we might work together).
-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:erik@ehatchersolutions.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:17 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Business
How does support from the creator of Tapestry itself sound?
http://www.howardlewisship.com/
He did a two day training session on-site for us and he did a fantastic
job and saved us a substantial ramp-up time.
And perhaps in a few months I'd be willing to do some Tapestry
consulting when Howard is so busy he cannot fit another gig in and subs
jobs out to others :))
Your concern about not using the built-in pieces to the specification
is a strong one, but I prefer to work with quality, not necessarily
mainstream.
Erik
On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:56 PM, Mauro Sergio Silva wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using Tapestry and Hibernate as part of my framework to develop
> applications used by my company, but as a consultant to financial
> institution I have a big problem.
> Stay way from J2EE specification like JSF/JSP and JDO/JDBC is a big
> decision and the CIO's prefer share risks with someone else.
> Use Hibernate in a Financial Institution is a very easy decision, why,
> Because Hibernate Documentation and Big community, well this a
> decision
> to me in my little company and my little clients don't have any idea
> about frameworks J2EE and other stuffs, they just by some kind of
> solution and that's all, but what really meter in
> A large company is support, It's a magic word, and as soon as Hibernate
> stuffs associate with Jboss Group, all my problems have gone. Jboss is
> very popular hear In Brazil, because It's used by little companies and
> the big one can by some kind of support any time they want, or need it.
>
> Anyone in tapestry community has some idea about how do a think like
> this with tapestry???
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Re: Business
Posted by Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com>.
How does support from the creator of Tapestry itself sound?
http://www.howardlewisship.com/
He did a two day training session on-site for us and he did a fantastic
job and saved us a substantial ramp-up time.
And perhaps in a few months I'd be willing to do some Tapestry
consulting when Howard is so busy he cannot fit another gig in and subs
jobs out to others :))
Your concern about not using the built-in pieces to the specification
is a strong one, but I prefer to work with quality, not necessarily
mainstream.
Erik
On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:56 PM, Mauro Sergio Silva wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using Tapestry and Hibernate as part of my framework to develop
> applications used by my company, but as a consultant to financial
> institution I have a big problem.
> Stay way from J2EE specification like JSF/JSP and JDO/JDBC is a big
> decision and the CIO's prefer share risks with someone else.
> Use Hibernate in a Financial Institution is a very easy decision, why,
> Because Hibernate Documentation and Big community, well this a
> decision
> to me in my little company and my little clients don't have any idea
> about frameworks J2EE and other stuffs, they just by some kind of
> solution and that's all, but what really meter in
> A large company is support, It's a magic word, and as soon as Hibernate
> stuffs associate with Jboss Group, all my problems have gone. Jboss is
> very popular hear In Brazil, because It's used by little companies and
> the big one can by some kind of support any time they want, or need it.
>
> Anyone in tapestry community has some idea about how do a think like
> this with tapestry???
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RES: Business
Posted by Mauro Sérgio Silva <ma...@automaware.com.br>.
Thanks David
-----Mensagem original-----
De: David Solis [mailto:dsolis@legosoft.com.mx]
Enviada em: terça-feira, 10 de fevereiro de 2004 13:14
Para: 'Tapestry users'
Assunto: RE: Business
You can evaluate Tapestry. Please browse the source code.
Tapestry is better than other web frameworks including Struts and JSF.
We developed several systems using Tapestry including an online banking
solution for HTML and WAP.
Here is a demo:
http://members.cox.net/dsolis/demos/ixenet.swf
Regards
D.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mauro Sergio Silva [mailto:mauro@automaware.com.br]
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:57 PM
> To: 'Tapestry users'
> Subject: Business
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm using Tapestry and Hibernate as part of my framework to develop
> applications used by my company, but as a consultant to financial
> institution I have a big problem.
> Stay way from J2EE specification like JSF/JSP and JDO/JDBC is a big
> decision and the CIO's prefer share risks with someone else.
> Use Hibernate in a Financial Institution is a very easy decision,
why,
> Because Hibernate Documentation and Big community, well this a
decision
> to me in my little company and my little clients don't have any idea
> about frameworks J2EE and other stuffs, they just by some kind of
> solution and that's all, but what really meter in
> A large company is support, It's a magic word, and as soon as
Hibernate
> stuffs associate with Jboss Group, all my problems have gone. Jboss is
> very popular hear In Brazil, because It's used by little companies and
> the big one can by some kind of support any time they want, or need
it.
>
> Anyone in tapestry community has some idea about how do a think like
> this with tapestry???
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RE: Business
Posted by David Solis <ds...@legosoft.com.mx>.
You can evaluate Tapestry. Please browse the source code.
Tapestry is better than other web frameworks including Struts and JSF.
We developed several systems using Tapestry including an online banking
solution for HTML and WAP.
Here is a demo:
http://members.cox.net/dsolis/demos/ixenet.swf
Regards
D.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mauro Sergio Silva [mailto:mauro@automaware.com.br]
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:57 PM
> To: 'Tapestry users'
> Subject: Business
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm using Tapestry and Hibernate as part of my framework to develop
> applications used by my company, but as a consultant to financial
> institution I have a big problem.
> Stay way from J2EE specification like JSF/JSP and JDO/JDBC is a big
> decision and the CIO's prefer share risks with someone else.
> Use Hibernate in a Financial Institution is a very easy decision,
why,
> Because Hibernate Documentation and Big community, well this a
decision
> to me in my little company and my little clients don't have any idea
> about frameworks J2EE and other stuffs, they just by some kind of
> solution and that's all, but what really meter in
> A large company is support, It's a magic word, and as soon as
Hibernate
> stuffs associate with Jboss Group, all my problems have gone. Jboss is
> very popular hear In Brazil, because It's used by little companies and
> the big one can by some kind of support any time they want, or need
it.
>
> Anyone in tapestry community has some idea about how do a think like
> this with tapestry???
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