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Posted to user@ofbiz.apache.org by Florin Popa <fl...@gmail.com> on 2009/10/30 18:22:53 UTC
Ofbiz templates
Hello all,
I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so the
question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of
templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user interface?
Thanks,
Flopa
Re[2]: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Петр Богданов <bp...@ukr.net>.
--- Исходное сообщение ---
От кого: David E Jones <de...@me.com>
Кому: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Дата: Nov 02, 2009 20:14:22
Тема: Re: Ofbiz templates
> That's correct, BSH is still supported. The more difficult parts of
> migration will be data model changes and depending on how much low-
> level customization you do certain API changes too.
>
> To get an idea of what data model changes will look like this wiki
> page is useful:
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBTECH/Revisions+Requiring+Data+Migration
>
> -David
>
> On Nov 2, 2009, at 6:31 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>
> > Hi Florin:
> > IMO, the Groovy switch, while inconvenient is not a show stopper.
> > Groovy is very similar to the Bean Shell. Where I have difficult
> > logic that I don't want to spend the time to figure out the Groovy
> > equivalent, l use BSH. I may go back and convert, but BSH - like JSP
> > - is still supported and it works fine.
> >
> > Good luck.
> > Ruth
> >
> > Florin Popa wrote:
> >> Thank you for the details sent regarding this topic,
> >>
> >> It is anyway a difficult decision for me because we invested lot of
> >> work into that version and I am affraid the upgrade to latest
> >> version won't be very easy...
> >> Mostly because of the switch from bsh to groovy... am I right?
> >>
> >> Coming back to the layout, I think it is the time to list here few
> >> implementations so that you can get an idea what are we dealing
> >> with..
> >>
> >> http://86.122.93.253:8080/pharmaVersand
> >> http://86.122.93.253:8080/ecommerce
> >>
> >> There are several other implementations, each asking for particular
> >> layouts...
> >>
> >> There are very strict and detailed layout requirements received and
> >> sometimes difficult to fulfill... of course the admin area is less
> >> important bu the shop UI area should be really top developed..
> >> We extended the entire mechanism in a way that we offer one layout
> >> and additionally, customer could upload by himself css/pictures and
> >> even templates for his own customization of UI
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Florin
> >>> And also some issues pending related to cleanup and css fixes, see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2983
> >>>
> >>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>> And also some issues pending, see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3037
> >>>>
> >>>> Jacques
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "Ashish Vijaywargiya" <vi...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of
> >>>>> the things
> >>>>> advanced in latest trunk revision.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit
> >>>>> following link.
> >>>>> http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Ashish
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa <flopaconsult@gmail.com
> >>>>> >wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy
> >>>>>> so the
> >>>>>> question is: does latest version offer more advanced
> >>>>>> flexibility of
> >>>>>> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop
> >>>>>> user interface?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Flopa
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by David E Jones <de...@me.com>.
That's correct, BSH is still supported. The more difficult parts of
migration will be data model changes and depending on how much low-
level customization you do certain API changes too.
To get an idea of what data model changes will look like this wiki
page is useful:
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBTECH/Revisions+Requiring+Data+Migration
-David
On Nov 2, 2009, at 6:31 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
> Hi Florin:
> IMO, the Groovy switch, while inconvenient is not a show stopper.
> Groovy is very similar to the Bean Shell. Where I have difficult
> logic that I don't want to spend the time to figure out the Groovy
> equivalent, l use BSH. I may go back and convert, but BSH - like JSP
> - is still supported and it works fine.
>
> Good luck.
> Ruth
>
> Florin Popa wrote:
>> Thank you for the details sent regarding this topic,
>>
>> It is anyway a difficult decision for me because we invested lot of
>> work into that version and I am affraid the upgrade to latest
>> version won't be very easy...
>> Mostly because of the switch from bsh to groovy... am I right?
>>
>> Coming back to the layout, I think it is the time to list here few
>> implementations so that you can get an idea what are we dealing
>> with..
>>
>> http://86.122.93.253:8080/pharmaVersand
>> http://86.122.93.253:8080/ecommerce
>>
>> There are several other implementations, each asking for particular
>> layouts...
>>
>> There are very strict and detailed layout requirements received and
>> sometimes difficult to fulfill... of course the admin area is less
>> important bu the shop UI area should be really top developed..
>> We extended the entire mechanism in a way that we offer one layout
>> and additionally, customer could upload by himself css/pictures and
>> even templates for his own customization of UI
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Florin
>>> And also some issues pending related to cleanup and css fixes, see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2983
>>>
>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> And also some issues pending, see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3037
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Ashish Vijaywargiya" <vi...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of
>>>>> the things
>>>>> advanced in latest trunk revision.
>>>>>
>>>>> To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit
>>>>> following link.
>>>>> http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ashish
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa <flopaconsult@gmail.com
>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy
>>>>>> so the
>>>>>> question is: does latest version offer more advanced
>>>>>> flexibility of
>>>>>> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop
>>>>>> user interface?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Flopa
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>
>>
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi Florin:
IMO, the Groovy switch, while inconvenient is not a show stopper. Groovy
is very similar to the Bean Shell. Where I have difficult logic that I
don't want to spend the time to figure out the Groovy equivalent, l use
BSH. I may go back and convert, but BSH - like JSP - is still supported
and it works fine.
Good luck.
Ruth
Florin Popa wrote:
> Thank you for the details sent regarding this topic,
>
> It is anyway a difficult decision for me because we invested lot of
> work into that version and I am affraid the upgrade to latest version
> won't be very easy...
> Mostly because of the switch from bsh to groovy... am I right?
>
> Coming back to the layout, I think it is the time to list here few
> implementations so that you can get an idea what are we dealing with..
>
> http://86.122.93.253:8080/pharmaVersand
> http://86.122.93.253:8080/ecommerce
>
> There are several other implementations, each asking for particular
> layouts...
>
> There are very strict and detailed layout requirements received and
> sometimes difficult to fulfill... of course the admin area is less
> important bu the shop UI area should be really top developed..
> We extended the entire mechanism in a way that we offer one layout and
> additionally, customer could upload by himself css/pictures and even
> templates for his own customization of UI
>
> Best regards,
> Florin
>> And also some issues pending related to cleanup and css fixes, see
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2983
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> And also some issues pending, see
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3037
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Ashish Vijaywargiya" <vi...@gmail.com>
>>>> Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the
>>>> things
>>>> advanced in latest trunk revision.
>>>>
>>>> To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit following
>>>> link.
>>>> http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ashish
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa
>>>> <fl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so the
>>>>> question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of
>>>>> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user
>>>>> interface?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Flopa
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>
>
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Florin Popa <fl...@gmail.com>.
Thank you for the details sent regarding this topic,
It is anyway a difficult decision for me because we invested lot of work
into that version and I am affraid the upgrade to latest version won't
be very easy...
Mostly because of the switch from bsh to groovy... am I right?
Coming back to the layout, I think it is the time to list here few
implementations so that you can get an idea what are we dealing with..
http://86.122.93.253:8080/pharmaVersand
http://86.122.93.253:8080/ecommerce
There are several other implementations, each asking for particular
layouts...
There are very strict and detailed layout requirements received and
sometimes difficult to fulfill... of course the admin area is less
important bu the shop UI area should be really top developed..
We extended the entire mechanism in a way that we offer one layout and
additionally, customer could upload by himself css/pictures and even
templates for his own customization of UI
Best regards,
Florin
> And also some issues pending related to cleanup and css fixes, see
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2983
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> And also some issues pending, see
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3037
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Ashish Vijaywargiya" <vi...@gmail.com>
>>> Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the
>>> things
>>> advanced in latest trunk revision.
>>>
>>> To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit following
>>> link.
>>> http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ashish
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa
>>> <fl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
>>>>
>>>> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so the
>>>> question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of
>>>> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user
>>>> interface?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Flopa
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> Regards
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Deepak Dixit <de...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
And also some issues pending related to cleanup and css fixes, see
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2983
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> And also some issues pending, see
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3037
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Ashish Vijaywargiya" <vi...@gmail.com>
>> Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the things
>> advanced in latest trunk revision.
>>
>> To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit following
>> link.
>> http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
>>
>> --
>> Ashish
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa
>> <fl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
>>>
>>> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so the
>>> question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of
>>> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user
>>> interface?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Flopa
>>>
>>
>
Regards
--
Deepak Dixit
HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd.
Website :- www.hotwaxmedia.com
Contact :- +91-98267-54548
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
And also some issues pending, see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3037
Jacques
From: "Ashish Vijaywargiya" <vi...@gmail.com>
> Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the things
> advanced in latest trunk revision.
>
> To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit following link.
> http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
>
> --
> Ashish
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa <fl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
>>
>> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so the
>> question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of
>> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user interface?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Flopa
>>
>
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi Tim:
I thought that was what I was doing with the several Jira issues (and
patches) I submitted. And sure, I will continue to report problems as I
see them. Everything I wrote about in my original response to Florin has
been reported. My bad is that I don't have the time to track each issue
w/each release. Going forward, however I will try to do a better job of
managing my submitted issues and correlating them with releases and fixes.
re Florin: I agree that the core product has moved forward significantly
since the 4.x release. In fact, I took the plunge and I am using it to
support distribution of the books I have written
(http://www.myofbiz.com). The good news is that the framework and core
remain rock solid and provide everything I need to do that. Sadly, the
very part of OFBiz I was hoping to make the most use of right
off-the-bat requires too much upfront customizations to get up and
running quickly. I discovered this the hard way - I tried to use it for
screen shots for the books and build the website store at th same time.
It was easier and faster to just start over and write my own
components. Eventually, I plan to get back to using the eCommerce
application to build a store etc. but for now, all I can do is lament
that while the HTML and CSS restructuring may be an improvement, it
doesn't make adoption for new users a very appealing prospect.
Tim, and all the hard working OFBiz supporters/committers out there, my
goal is to get as many people looking and using OFBiz as I can. I don't
get paid to endorse it - and certainly not to critique it - but I really
do just want continued improvement. It is still the best thing going for
enterprise automation!
Regards,
Ruth
Tim Ruppert wrote:
> Thanks for the added insight. Looking forward to developers, who know
> how to use CSS, continuing to help make the project better. What we
> have today is amazingly more flexible and makes each and every theme
> developed on top of this system easier to use and program. As might
> be expected, the infinitely generic OOTB theme is not the one that
> most people roll out in production. I personally think these are
> small, because I actually understand the underlying technology and
> know where and how issues can be caused and fixed.
>
> Ruth, you've been involved in the project for a really long time - and
> even at one point as a developer - and these issues plague you,
> right? Why not dive in and try some minor tweaks with CSS and let us
> know what you see on that small screen? I'd love to have some
> feedback from you and Jacques, to the dev list, about what happens
> when you change this CSS entry - it would be great to have a deeper
> level of testing out there that helps pinpoint the problems so we can
> fix them.
>
> Back to you Florin - I'm standing pat on my point - the CSS and HTML
> in the current trunk are so far advanced beyond what as there before
> (that's right inline stylind and tables don't break) that I can't even
> put it to words. We'll keep fixing the issues as they come up and
> will take this project to the next level.
>
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
>
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>
>> Hello Tim:
>> Please see my comments inline:
>>
>> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>>> Florin, the templates in the new system are amazingly more flexible,
>>> semantically correct, and allow you to move things around very
>>> easily with only good knowledge of CSS. Please don't let the
>>> viewing of the site at 800x600 be the determining factor here - as
>>> that is not even on the radar as a viewport size that people use
>>> these days.
>> Maybe not for developers, but for every one person I know who uses a
>> desktop with potentially larger "viewport sizes" as you call it, to
>> access the Internet, I know 20 people who use laptops with small
>> screens and small "viewports". And, those screens get smaller every
>> day...Too bad because it is getting really hard for people like me to
>> read all that text on such small screens.
>>> It is true that there are issues in every browser when you've bring
>>> things down to a really small level, there is a bug which
>> It is not a "small" thing when we are talking about the landing page.
>> The very first page you see when you go to the suggested link.
>>> needs to be corrected - but I would go so far as to say that the
>>> foundation you are working with in the trunk is leaps and bounds
>>> ahead of what is in either release branch. Please check out the
>>> trunk, and ask direct questions about places where you may see
>>> discrepancies. Where the project is headed - especially in contrast
>>> from where we came from - means we're trending in a positive direction.
>>>
>>> I was testing this in Firefox and Safari on a MAC and am pleased
>>> with the rendering as long as you're viewing it with a viewport of
>>> over about 1190 (basically any 13" Macbook).
>> Too bad I can't attach an image or two. I have a 22 inch monitor and
>> no matter how wide I make the browser window, the "Contact Us" link
>> (only one level "down" from the landing page) still renders below the
>> bottom most pixel of the right most column. I guess my "testing"
>> criteria is a little bit more exacting than yours. These kinds of
>> "small" rendering problems were not an issue - regardless of the
>> browser - in older 4.x versions.
>>
>> Oh well...There I go "spitting in the wind" again :-(
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ruppert
>>> --
>>> Tim Ruppert
>>> HotWax Media
>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>
>>> o:801.649.6594
>>> f:801.649.6595
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Ashish:
>>>> I wouldn't be so quick to encourage new users to visit this link.
>>>> The 3x3 layout on the landing page still does not render correctly
>>>> for at least Firefox on a MAC. Not sure about other browsers. In a
>>>> word: "unprofessional".
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth
>>>>
>>>> Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
>>>>> Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the
>>>>> things
>>>>> advanced in latest trunk revision.
>>>>>
>>>>> To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit
>>>>> following link.
>>>>> http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ashish
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa
>>>>> <flopaconsult@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of
>>>>>> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user
>>>>>> interface?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Flopa
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Thanks for the added insight. Looking forward to developers, who know
how to use CSS, continuing to help make the project better. What we
have today is amazingly more flexible and makes each and every theme
developed on top of this system easier to use and program. As might
be expected, the infinitely generic OOTB theme is not the one that
most people roll out in production. I personally think these are
small, because I actually understand the underlying technology and
know where and how issues can be caused and fixed.
Ruth, you've been involved in the project for a really long time - and
even at one point as a developer - and these issues plague you,
right? Why not dive in and try some minor tweaks with CSS and let us
know what you see on that small screen? I'd love to have some
feedback from you and Jacques, to the dev list, about what happens
when you change this CSS entry - it would be great to have a deeper
level of testing out there that helps pinpoint the problems so we can
fix them.
Back to you Florin - I'm standing pat on my point - the CSS and HTML
in the current trunk are so far advanced beyond what as there before
(that's right inline stylind and tables don't break) that I can't even
put it to words. We'll keep fixing the issues as they come up and
will take this project to the next level.
Cheers,
Ruppert
On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
> Hello Tim:
> Please see my comments inline:
>
> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>> Florin, the templates in the new system are amazingly more
>> flexible, semantically correct, and allow you to move things around
>> very easily with only good knowledge of CSS. Please don't let the
>> viewing of the site at 800x600 be the determining factor here - as
>> that is not even on the radar as a viewport size that people use
>> these days.
> Maybe not for developers, but for every one person I know who uses a
> desktop with potentially larger "viewport sizes" as you call it, to
> access the Internet, I know 20 people who use laptops with small
> screens and small "viewports". And, those screens get smaller every
> day...Too bad because it is getting really hard for people like me
> to read all that text on such small screens.
>> It is true that there are issues in every browser when you've bring
>> things down to a really small level, there is a bug which
> It is not a "small" thing when we are talking about the landing
> page. The very first page you see when you go to the suggested link.
>> needs to be corrected - but I would go so far as to say that the
>> foundation you are working with in the trunk is leaps and bounds
>> ahead of what is in either release branch. Please check out the
>> trunk, and ask direct questions about places where you may see
>> discrepancies. Where the project is headed - especially in
>> contrast from where we came from - means we're trending in a
>> positive direction.
>>
>> I was testing this in Firefox and Safari on a MAC and am pleased
>> with the rendering as long as you're viewing it with a viewport of
>> over about 1190 (basically any 13" Macbook).
> Too bad I can't attach an image or two. I have a 22 inch monitor and
> no matter how wide I make the browser window, the "Contact Us" link
> (only one level "down" from the landing page) still renders below
> the bottom most pixel of the right most column. I guess my "testing"
> criteria is a little bit more exacting than yours. These kinds of
> "small" rendering problems were not an issue - regardless of the
> browser - in older 4.x versions.
>
> Oh well...There I go "spitting in the wind" again :-(
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ruppert
>> --
>> Tim Ruppert
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>> o:801.649.6594
>> f:801.649.6595
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Ashish:
>>> I wouldn't be so quick to encourage new users to visit this link.
>>> The 3x3 layout on the landing page still does not render correctly
>>> for at least Firefox on a MAC. Not sure about other browsers. In a
>>> word: "unprofessional".
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
>>>> Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the
>>>> things
>>>> advanced in latest trunk revision.
>>>>
>>>> To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit
>>>> following link.
>>>> http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ashish
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa <flopaconsult@gmail.com
>>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy
>>>>> so the
>>>>> question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility
>>>>> of
>>>>> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user
>>>>> interface?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Flopa
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hello Tim:
Please see my comments inline:
Tim Ruppert wrote:
> Florin, the templates in the new system are amazingly more flexible,
> semantically correct, and allow you to move things around very easily
> with only good knowledge of CSS. Please don't let the viewing of the
> site at 800x600 be the determining factor here - as that is not even
> on the radar as a viewport size that people use these days.
Maybe not for developers, but for every one person I know who uses a
desktop with potentially larger "viewport sizes" as you call it, to
access the Internet, I know 20 people who use laptops with small screens
and small "viewports". And, those screens get smaller every day...Too
bad because it is getting really hard for people like me to read all
that text on such small screens.
> It is true that there are issues in every browser when you've bring
> things down to a really small level, there is a bug which
It is not a "small" thing when we are talking about the landing page.
The very first page you see when you go to the suggested link.
> needs to be corrected - but I would go so far as to say that the
> foundation you are working with in the trunk is leaps and bounds ahead
> of what is in either release branch. Please check out the trunk, and
> ask direct questions about places where you may see discrepancies.
> Where the project is headed - especially in contrast from where we
> came from - means we're trending in a positive direction.
>
> I was testing this in Firefox and Safari on a MAC and am pleased with
> the rendering as long as you're viewing it with a viewport of over
> about 1190 (basically any 13" Macbook).
Too bad I can't attach an image or two. I have a 22 inch monitor and no
matter how wide I make the browser window, the "Contact Us" link (only
one level "down" from the landing page) still renders below the bottom
most pixel of the right most column. I guess my "testing" criteria is a
little bit more exacting than yours. These kinds of "small" rendering
problems were not an issue - regardless of the browser - in older 4.x
versions.
Oh well...There I go "spitting in the wind" again :-(
>
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>
>> Hello Ashish:
>> I wouldn't be so quick to encourage new users to visit this link. The
>> 3x3 layout on the landing page still does not render correctly for at
>> least Firefox on a MAC. Not sure about other browsers. In a word:
>> "unprofessional".
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>>
>> Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
>>> Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the things
>>> advanced in latest trunk revision.
>>>
>>> To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit following
>>> link.
>>> http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ashish
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa
>>> <flopaconsult@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
>>>>
>>>> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so the
>>>> question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of
>>>> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user
>>>> interface?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Flopa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Thanks Jacques - that is great to know. I have not seen these - maybe
because I'm not on Windows - I didn't know. Have you tried altering
any of the padding / margins to test it on Windows? If I had a box
here, I'd be all on it with you. The others have not been an issues
for me at all.
Btw, these are all very simple CSS fixes though - I doubt any of them
have to do with the layout - so anyone with a windows box should be
able to look at the styles and update them where appropriate and
submit patches. Looking forward to it - the flexibility is there, now
it's time we all learn to use it and fix it up.
Cheers,
Ruppert
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> Sorry to says that it's not the case with my 1680x1050 on Windows XP
> with any browser for
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3054
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3133
> I agree that other issues under https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3037
> are not a problem in my case.
> Also good not note that most "real" problems (ie using nowadays
> resolutions) have been solved pretty fast by the community.
>
> I agree also that what we have now is a far better basis to build a
> webstore than what we had near 3 years ago (R4.0).
> Also now we have theme possiblities, even if not much has been done
> in this area (Florin If you look for an explanation about why, I
> have already given my opininon about that, just use MarkMail or
> Nabble or even Google)
>
> Jacques
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Ruppert
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Ofbiz templates
>
>
> Florin, the templates in the new system are amazingly more
> flexible, semantically correct, and allow you to move things around
> very easily with only good knowledge of CSS. Please don't let the
> viewing of the site at 800x600 be the determining factor here - as
> that is not even on the radar as a viewport size that people use
> these days.
>
>
> It is true that there are issues in every browser when you've bring
> things down to a really small level, there is a bug which needs to
> be corrected - but I would go so far as to say that the foundation
> you are working with in the trunk is leaps and bounds ahead of what
> is in either release branch. Please check out the trunk, and ask
> direct questions about places where you may see discrepancies.
> Where the project is headed - especially in contrast from where we
> came from - means we're trending in a positive direction.
>
>
>
> I was testing this in Firefox and Safari on a MAC and am pleased
> with the rendering as long as you're viewing it with a viewport of
> over about 1190 (basically any 13" Macbook).
>
>
> Cheers,
> Ruppert
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>
>
> Hello Ashish:
> I wouldn't be so quick to encourage new users to visit this link.
> The 3x3 layout on the landing page still does not render correctly
> for at least Firefox on a MAC. Not sure about other browsers. In a
> word: "unprofessional".
> Regards,
> Ruth
>
> Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
>
> Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of
> the things
>
> advanced in latest trunk revision.
>
>
>
> To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit
> following link.
>
> http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
>
>
>
> --
>
> Ashish
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa <flopaconsult@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
>
>
>
> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very
> easy so the
>
> question is: does latest version offer more advanced
> flexibility of
>
> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop
> user interface?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Flopa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Same problems on Ubuntu 8.04 with FF3.5...
Jiras issues updated
Jacques
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
Hi Tim,
Sorry to says that it's not the case with my 1680x1050 on Windows XP with any browser for
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3054
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3133
I agree that other issues under https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3037
are not a problem in my case.
Also good not note that most "real" problems (ie using nowadays resolutions) have been solved pretty fast by the community.
I agree also that what we have now is a far better basis to build a webstore than what we had near 3 years ago (R4.0).
Also now we have theme possiblities, even if not much has been done in this area (Florin If you look for an explanation about why, I
have already given my opininon about that, just use MarkMail or Nabble or even Google)
Jacques
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Ruppert
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Ofbiz templates
Florin, the templates in the new system are amazingly more flexible, semantically correct, and allow you to move things around
very easily with only good knowledge of CSS. Please don't let the viewing of the site at 800x600 be the determining factor here -
as that is not even on the radar as a viewport size that people use these days.
It is true that there are issues in every browser when you've bring things down to a really small level, there is a bug which
needs to be corrected - but I would go so far as to say that the foundation you are working with in the trunk is leaps and bounds
ahead of what is in either release branch. Please check out the trunk, and ask direct questions about places where you may see
discrepancies. Where the project is headed - especially in contrast from where we came from - means we're trending in a positive
direction.
I was testing this in Firefox and Safari on a MAC and am pleased with the rendering as long as you're viewing it with a viewport
of over about 1190 (basically any 13" Macbook).
Cheers,
Ruppert
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
Hello Ashish:
I wouldn't be so quick to encourage new users to visit this link. The 3x3 layout on the landing page still does not render
correctly for at least Firefox on a MAC. Not sure about other browsers. In a word: "unprofessional".
Regards,
Ruth
Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the things
advanced in latest trunk revision.
To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit following link.
http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
--
Ashish
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa <fl...@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello all,
I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so the
question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of
templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user interface?
Thanks,
Flopa
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Tim,
Sorry to says that it's not the case with my 1680x1050 on Windows XP with any browser for
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3054
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3133
I agree that other issues under https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3037
are not a problem in my case.
Also good not note that most "real" problems (ie using nowadays resolutions) have been solved pretty fast by the community.
I agree also that what we have now is a far better basis to build a webstore than what we had near 3 years ago (R4.0).
Also now we have theme possiblities, even if not much has been done in this area (Florin If you look for an explanation about why, I have already given my opininon about that, just use MarkMail or Nabble or even Google)
Jacques
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Ruppert
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Ofbiz templates
Florin, the templates in the new system are amazingly more flexible, semantically correct, and allow you to move things around very easily with only good knowledge of CSS. Please don't let the viewing of the site at 800x600 be the determining factor here - as that is not even on the radar as a viewport size that people use these days.
It is true that there are issues in every browser when you've bring things down to a really small level, there is a bug which needs to be corrected - but I would go so far as to say that the foundation you are working with in the trunk is leaps and bounds ahead of what is in either release branch. Please check out the trunk, and ask direct questions about places where you may see discrepancies. Where the project is headed - especially in contrast from where we came from - means we're trending in a positive direction.
I was testing this in Firefox and Safari on a MAC and am pleased with the rendering as long as you're viewing it with a viewport of over about 1190 (basically any 13" Macbook).
Cheers,
Ruppert
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
Hello Ashish:
I wouldn't be so quick to encourage new users to visit this link. The 3x3 layout on the landing page still does not render correctly for at least Firefox on a MAC. Not sure about other browsers. In a word: "unprofessional".
Regards,
Ruth
Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the things
advanced in latest trunk revision.
To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit following link.
http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
--
Ashish
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa <fl...@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello all,
I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so the
question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of
templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user interface?
Thanks,
Flopa
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Florin, the templates in the new system are amazingly more flexible,
semantically correct, and allow you to move things around very easily
with only good knowledge of CSS. Please don't let the viewing of the
site at 800x600 be the determining factor here - as that is not even
on the radar as a viewport size that people use these days.
It is true that there are issues in every browser when you've bring
things down to a really small level, there is a bug which needs to be
corrected - but I would go so far as to say that the foundation you
are working with in the trunk is leaps and bounds ahead of what is in
either release branch. Please check out the trunk, and ask direct
questions about places where you may see discrepancies. Where the
project is headed - especially in contrast from where we came from -
means we're trending in a positive direction.
I was testing this in Firefox and Safari on a MAC and am pleased with
the rendering as long as you're viewing it with a viewport of over
about 1190 (basically any 13" Macbook).
Cheers,
Ruppert
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
> Hello Ashish:
> I wouldn't be so quick to encourage new users to visit this link.
> The 3x3 layout on the landing page still does not render correctly
> for at least Firefox on a MAC. Not sure about other browsers. In a
> word: "unprofessional".
> Regards,
> Ruth
>
> Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
>> Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the
>> things
>> advanced in latest trunk revision.
>>
>> To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit following
>> link.
>> http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
>>
>> --
>> Ashish
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa
>> <fl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
>>>
>>> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so
>>> the
>>> question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of
>>> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user
>>> interface?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Flopa
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hello Ashish:
I wouldn't be so quick to encourage new users to visit this link. The
3x3 layout on the landing page still does not render correctly for at
least Firefox on a MAC. Not sure about other browsers. In a word:
"unprofessional".
Regards,
Ruth
Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
> Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the things
> advanced in latest trunk revision.
>
> To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit following link.
> http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
>
> --
> Ashish
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa <fl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
>>
>> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so the
>> question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of
>> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user interface?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Flopa
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
ff 1m5 windows looks ok
Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 10/31/2009 10:48 AM:
> Hello Ashish:
> I wouldn't be so quick to encourage new users to visit this link. The
> 3x3 layout on the landing page still does not render correctly for at
> least Firefox on a MAC. Not sure about other browsers. In a word:
> "unprofessional".
> Regards,
> Ruth
>
> Ashish Vijaywargiya wrote:
>> Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the things
>> advanced in latest trunk revision.
>>
>> To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit following link.
>> http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
>>
>> --
>> Ashish
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa
>> <fl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
>>>
>>> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so the
>>> question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of
>>> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user
>>> interface?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Flopa
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
--
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http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation
http://bjfreeman.elance.com
http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro
Systems Integrator.
Re: Ofbiz templates
Posted by Ashish Vijaywargiya <vi...@gmail.com>.
Lot of work going on in CSS area so *Yes* you will see lot of the things
advanced in latest trunk revision.
To review the current ecommerce front store you can visit following link.
http://demo.ofbiz.org/ecommerce/control/main
--
Ashish
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Florin Popa <fl...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I am using Ofbiz ecommerce module, the version is 4.0.
>
> I am aware an upgrade to latest version would not be very easy so the
> question is: does latest version offer more advanced flexibility of
> templates and CSS regarding a more flexible layout for shop user interface?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Flopa
>