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[POLL] ebXML Reg./Rep. on Apache?
Background:
ebXML (electronic business XML) is an initiative sponsored by OASIS and
UN/CEFACT to create "a modular suite of specifications that enables enterprises
of any size and in any geographical location to conduct business over the
Internet."
One of the specifications in the ebXML suite deals with XML registries and
repositories: "The OASIS ebXML Registry TC develops specifications to achieve
interoperable registries and repositories, with an interface that enables
submission, query and retrieval on the contents of the registry and repository."
Details can be found at:
http://www.ebxml.org/
http://www.ebxml.org/specs/index.htm#technical_specifications
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/
As part of our work on the ebXML initiative, Sun Microsystems Inc. has developed
a JavaTM based implementation of the registry and repository specification that
we have shown on various occasions such as trade show demos.
We have received numerous inquiries from many different parts of the developer
community expressing interest in being able to work on this implementation to
produce a fully specification compliant implementation.
Sun has determined and given approval for making this implementation available
to an open source community. Consequently, we would like to submit this proposal
to the members of the Apache XML project for consideration of accepting this
donation as a sub-project.
Thank you very much for your attention to and consideration for this proposal.
We look foward to your questions, comments, or concerns.
Sincerely yours,
Peter Kacandes
Sr. Product Manager, Java XML APIs phone number: 408 276 7139, X17139
Java Software Products email: peter.kacandes@sun.com
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Re: [POLL] ebXML Reg./Rep. on Apache?
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Farrukh Najmi wrote:
>
> Theodore,
>
> On the contrary I feel that there is a strong community ready to roll up their sleeves
> and start on this project full steam.
Good.
> I have the following folks who have contacted me
> regarding their desire to be active members of the OASIS ebXML Registry RI community:
>
> Farrukh Najmi <Fa...@Sun.COM> - Sun Microsystems
> Nikola Stojanovic <ni...@encodasystems.com> - Encoda Systems
> Sanjay Patil <SP...@iona.com> - IONA
> Suresh Damodaran Suresh_Damodaran@stercomm.com - Sterling Commerce
> Jeff Benjamin <jb...@ivertexo.com> - Ivertexo
> Pae Choi <pa...@earthlink.net> -
> Joel Neu <jn...@vitria.com> - Vitria Technology
> Joseph Okomba <Ok...@kabage.co.ke> - Kabage
> Maimoona Mollah <mm...@ggn.aithent.com>
Awesome.
> It should also be noted that 5 of the above commiters are authors of the OASIS ebXML
> Registry specifications.
Good for you, so they know what they will be doing and users will
appreciate that.
> I am not sure that I would interpret that as a low level of interest.
Your proposal generated a "low level of interest" between Apache
committers. This is a fact.
> I would be grateful if someone can explain the process and criteria Apache uses to
> make a decision
> on whether the project is accepted or not as a sub-project in XML project. What is the
> magic number of committed
> community members that sways the decision?
It's easy: you need a working codebase (something that users can play
with as the project starts), at least two developers from different
entities (three is preferred since it's odd and adds on votations) and
an Apache member that sponsors the project.
You are missing the sponsoring member that is willing to sponsor you and
provide the community leadership required to bootstrap the project.
But definately don't count on me for that.
--
Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
able to give birth to a dancing star.
<st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: [POLL] ebXML Reg./Rep. on Apache?
Posted by "Theodore W. Leung" <tw...@sauria.com>.
On Mon, 2001-11-05 at 13:53, Farrukh Najmi wrote:
> Theodore,
>
> On the contrary I feel that there is a strong community ready to roll up their sleeves
> and start on this project full steam. I have the following folks who have contacted me
> regarding their desire to be active members of the OASIS ebXML Registry RI community:
>
> Farrukh Najmi <Fa...@Sun.COM> - Sun Microsystems
> Nikola Stojanovic <ni...@encodasystems.com> - Encoda Systems
> Sanjay Patil <SP...@iona.com> - IONA
> Suresh Damodaran Suresh_Damodaran@stercomm.com - Sterling Commerce
> Jeff Benjamin <jb...@ivertexo.com> - Ivertexo
> Pae Choi <pa...@earthlink.net> -
> Joel Neu <jn...@vitria.com> - Vitria Technology
> Joseph Okomba <Ok...@kabage.co.ke> - Kabage
> Maimoona Mollah <mm...@ggn.aithent.com>
>
> It should also be noted that 5 of the above commiters are authors of the OASIS ebXML
> Registry specifications.
>
> I am not sure that I would interpret that as a low level of interest.
The level of interest from folks who want to work on an ebXMLRR project
is high, but there has not been a strong expression of interest from the
existing xml.apache.org community.
> I would be grateful if someone can explain the process and criteria Apache uses to
> make a decision
> on whether the project is accepted or not as a sub-project in XML project. What is the
> magic number of committed
> community members that sways the decision?
In order for a project to be accepted, a majority of the existing
xml.apache.org committers for the xml subproject must vote to accept the
project, subject to final approval by the PMC. See http://
xml.apache.org/mission.html.
Ted
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Farrukh
>
>
> "Theodore W. Leung" wrote:
>
> > Okay,
> >
> > To date, I've seen very little comment from current xml.apache.org
> > committers, and a few comments from the XML PMC. Also, Stefano has
> > raised some concerns about the community aspects of this proposal.
> >
> > Given the low-level of interest and Stefano's concerns, it seems like
> > the course of action that we're on is to not accept this proposal at
> > this time, see if a community develops around this project, and revisit
> > this once a community has been established.
> >
> > Is this an accurate reflection of what people are thinking?
> >
> > Ted
> >
> > On Fri, 2001-10-26 at 18:27, Peter Kacandes wrote:
> > > Background:
> > >
> > > ebXML (electronic business XML) is an initiative sponsored by OASIS and
> > > UN/CEFACT to create "a modular suite of specifications that enables enterprises
> > > of any size and in any geographical location to conduct business over the
> > > Internet."
> > >
> > > One of the specifications in the ebXML suite deals with XML registries and
> > > repositories: "The OASIS ebXML Registry TC develops specifications to achieve
> > > interoperable registries and repositories, with an interface that enables
> > > submission, query and retrieval on the contents of the registry and repository."
> > >
> > > Details can be found at:
> > > http://www.ebxml.org/
> > > http://www.ebxml.org/specs/index.htm#technical_specifications
> > > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/
> > >
> > > As part of our work on the ebXML initiative, Sun Microsystems Inc. has developed
> > > a JavaTM based implementation of the registry and repository specification that
> > > we have shown on various occasions such as trade show demos.
> > >
> > > We have received numerous inquiries from many different parts of the developer
> > > community expressing interest in being able to work on this implementation to
> > > produce a fully specification compliant implementation.
> > >
> > > Sun has determined and given approval for making this implementation available
> > > to an open source community. Consequently, we would like to submit this proposal
> > > to the members of the Apache XML project for consideration of accepting this
> > > donation as a sub-project.
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for your attention to and consideration for this proposal.
> > >
> > > We look foward to your questions, comments, or concerns.
> > >
> > > Sincerely yours,
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter Kacandes
> > >
> > > Sr. Product Manager, Java XML APIs phone number: 408 276 7139, X17139
> > > Java Software Products email: peter.kacandes@sun.com
> > >
> >
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Re: [POLL] ebXML Reg./Rep. on Apache?
Posted by Farrukh Najmi <Fa...@Sun.COM>.
Theodore,
On the contrary I feel that there is a strong community ready to roll up their sleeves
and start on this project full steam. I have the following folks who have contacted me
regarding their desire to be active members of the OASIS ebXML Registry RI community:
Farrukh Najmi <Fa...@Sun.COM> - Sun Microsystems
Nikola Stojanovic <ni...@encodasystems.com> - Encoda Systems
Sanjay Patil <SP...@iona.com> - IONA
Suresh Damodaran Suresh_Damodaran@stercomm.com - Sterling Commerce
Jeff Benjamin <jb...@ivertexo.com> - Ivertexo
Pae Choi <pa...@earthlink.net> -
Joel Neu <jn...@vitria.com> - Vitria Technology
Joseph Okomba <Ok...@kabage.co.ke> - Kabage
Maimoona Mollah <mm...@ggn.aithent.com>
It should also be noted that 5 of the above commiters are authors of the OASIS ebXML
Registry specifications.
I am not sure that I would interpret that as a low level of interest.
I would be grateful if someone can explain the process and criteria Apache uses to
make a decision
on whether the project is accepted or not as a sub-project in XML project. What is the
magic number of committed
community members that sways the decision?
Thanks.
--
Regards,
Farrukh
"Theodore W. Leung" wrote:
> Okay,
>
> To date, I've seen very little comment from current xml.apache.org
> committers, and a few comments from the XML PMC. Also, Stefano has
> raised some concerns about the community aspects of this proposal.
>
> Given the low-level of interest and Stefano's concerns, it seems like
> the course of action that we're on is to not accept this proposal at
> this time, see if a community develops around this project, and revisit
> this once a community has been established.
>
> Is this an accurate reflection of what people are thinking?
>
> Ted
>
> On Fri, 2001-10-26 at 18:27, Peter Kacandes wrote:
> > Background:
> >
> > ebXML (electronic business XML) is an initiative sponsored by OASIS and
> > UN/CEFACT to create "a modular suite of specifications that enables enterprises
> > of any size and in any geographical location to conduct business over the
> > Internet."
> >
> > One of the specifications in the ebXML suite deals with XML registries and
> > repositories: "The OASIS ebXML Registry TC develops specifications to achieve
> > interoperable registries and repositories, with an interface that enables
> > submission, query and retrieval on the contents of the registry and repository."
> >
> > Details can be found at:
> > http://www.ebxml.org/
> > http://www.ebxml.org/specs/index.htm#technical_specifications
> > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/
> >
> > As part of our work on the ebXML initiative, Sun Microsystems Inc. has developed
> > a JavaTM based implementation of the registry and repository specification that
> > we have shown on various occasions such as trade show demos.
> >
> > We have received numerous inquiries from many different parts of the developer
> > community expressing interest in being able to work on this implementation to
> > produce a fully specification compliant implementation.
> >
> > Sun has determined and given approval for making this implementation available
> > to an open source community. Consequently, we would like to submit this proposal
> > to the members of the Apache XML project for consideration of accepting this
> > donation as a sub-project.
> >
> > Thank you very much for your attention to and consideration for this proposal.
> >
> > We look foward to your questions, comments, or concerns.
> >
> > Sincerely yours,
> >
> >
> > Peter Kacandes
> >
> > Sr. Product Manager, Java XML APIs phone number: 408 276 7139, X17139
> > Java Software Products email: peter.kacandes@sun.com
> >
>
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Re: [POLL] ebXML Reg./Rep. on Apache?
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Farrukh Najmi wrote:
>
> Stefano,
>
> I had asked for an explaination of the decision process and criteria for
> project acceptance. Specifically, I had asked how large a committed community
> would assure you that this project will be among the living. I would
> appreciate a specific response to those questions.
Don't know about you, but sometimes I sleep at night, you know, it's
kind of a healthy activity for me.
I wrote the mail after Ted's, then sent it and went to bed. Sorry if you
find this irritating, but just because a mail arrives a couple of
minutes after yours, it doesn't necessarely mean that it's related to
that. (when I write I don't check the mailbox, anyway, I do it after I'm
finishing writing a message)
Well, bad timing and bad feelings don't match that much.
--
Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
able to give birth to a dancing star.
<st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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problem with new lines
Posted by Vivek Bawge <vi...@yahoo.com>.
Greetings!
I am using apache xerces and xalan. When the writer
writes xml file, it doesnt format it by newlines and
so everything appears on the same line. Also the
reader can't read a file thats manually created(as
they have newlines.)
Any help will be appreciated,
Thanks,
Vivek
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Re: [POLL] ebXML Reg./Rep. on Apache?
Posted by Farrukh Najmi <Fa...@Sun.COM>.
Stefano,
I had asked for an explaination of the decision process and criteria for
project acceptance. Specifically, I had asked how large a committed community
would assure you that this project will be among the living. I would
appreciate a specific response to those questions.
--
Regards,
Farrukh
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> "Theodore W. Leung" wrote:
> >
> > Okay,
> >
> > To date, I've seen very little comment from current xml.apache.org
> > committers, and a few comments from the XML PMC. Also, Stefano has
> > raised some concerns about the community aspects of this proposal.
> >
> > Given the low-level of interest and Stefano's concerns, it seems like
> > the course of action that we're on is to not accept this proposal at
> > this time, see if a community develops around this project, and revisit
> > this once a community has been established.
> >
> > Is this an accurate reflection of what people are thinking?
>
> Yep.
>
> At the same time I want to repeat that my personal concern is nothing
> about technical issues but community issue and this is nothing against
> Sun and I think I can be trusted since I don't have any hat on.
>
> For those who expressed their intention to participate: go on! this is
> where you can make a difference: if you really care about the project,
> we'll notice. So, next time the situation will be totally different.
>
> But please understand our concerns: if we were to land here all projects
> that are submitted, Apache will turn into a cimitery where the ratio of
> live/dead projects is so big that the value is diluted and people run
> away.
>
> So, if you subscribed here because you think Apache gives quality to the
> code is because of healthy development communities, not because of us
> members or because of corporations being friendly with us and donate a
> bunch of resources.
>
> So, people, I'm not being sarcastic when I with the best luck to this
> effort, but, believe me, I've seen so many projects dying that I've
> learned to be very patient and very critical.
>
> But I hope you understand the reasons behind it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
> able to give birth to a dancing star.
> <st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: [POLL] ebXML Reg./Rep. on Apache?
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
"Theodore W. Leung" wrote:
>
> Okay,
>
> To date, I've seen very little comment from current xml.apache.org
> committers, and a few comments from the XML PMC. Also, Stefano has
> raised some concerns about the community aspects of this proposal.
>
> Given the low-level of interest and Stefano's concerns, it seems like
> the course of action that we're on is to not accept this proposal at
> this time, see if a community develops around this project, and revisit
> this once a community has been established.
>
> Is this an accurate reflection of what people are thinking?
Yep.
At the same time I want to repeat that my personal concern is nothing
about technical issues but community issue and this is nothing against
Sun and I think I can be trusted since I don't have any hat on.
For those who expressed their intention to participate: go on! this is
where you can make a difference: if you really care about the project,
we'll notice. So, next time the situation will be totally different.
But please understand our concerns: if we were to land here all projects
that are submitted, Apache will turn into a cimitery where the ratio of
live/dead projects is so big that the value is diluted and people run
away.
So, if you subscribed here because you think Apache gives quality to the
code is because of healthy development communities, not because of us
members or because of corporations being friendly with us and donate a
bunch of resources.
So, people, I'm not being sarcastic when I with the best luck to this
effort, but, believe me, I've seen so many projects dying that I've
learned to be very patient and very critical.
But I hope you understand the reasons behind it.
Thanks.
--
Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
able to give birth to a dancing star.
<st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: [POLL] ebXML Reg./Rep. on Apache?
Posted by "Theodore W. Leung" <tw...@sauria.com>.
Okay,
To date, I've seen very little comment from current xml.apache.org
committers, and a few comments from the XML PMC. Also, Stefano has
raised some concerns about the community aspects of this proposal.
Given the low-level of interest and Stefano's concerns, it seems like
the course of action that we're on is to not accept this proposal at
this time, see if a community develops around this project, and revisit
this once a community has been established.
Is this an accurate reflection of what people are thinking?
Ted
On Fri, 2001-10-26 at 18:27, Peter Kacandes wrote:
> Background:
>
> ebXML (electronic business XML) is an initiative sponsored by OASIS and
> UN/CEFACT to create "a modular suite of specifications that enables enterprises
> of any size and in any geographical location to conduct business over the
> Internet."
>
> One of the specifications in the ebXML suite deals with XML registries and
> repositories: "The OASIS ebXML Registry TC develops specifications to achieve
> interoperable registries and repositories, with an interface that enables
> submission, query and retrieval on the contents of the registry and repository."
>
> Details can be found at:
> http://www.ebxml.org/
> http://www.ebxml.org/specs/index.htm#technical_specifications
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/
>
> As part of our work on the ebXML initiative, Sun Microsystems Inc. has developed
> a JavaTM based implementation of the registry and repository specification that
> we have shown on various occasions such as trade show demos.
>
> We have received numerous inquiries from many different parts of the developer
> community expressing interest in being able to work on this implementation to
> produce a fully specification compliant implementation.
>
> Sun has determined and given approval for making this implementation available
> to an open source community. Consequently, we would like to submit this proposal
> to the members of the Apache XML project for consideration of accepting this
> donation as a sub-project.
>
> Thank you very much for your attention to and consideration for this proposal.
>
> We look foward to your questions, comments, or concerns.
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
>
> Peter Kacandes
>
> Sr. Product Manager, Java XML APIs phone number: 408 276 7139, X17139
> Java Software Products email: peter.kacandes@sun.com
>
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Re: [POLL] ebXML Reg./Rep. on Apache?
Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@socialchange.net.au>.
Well said!
(Jon, I hope you're taking notes;)
--Jeff
On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 04:19:06PM +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
[..]
> I hope you understand this is a vital point for us: a software without a
> community is dead even if you have the source available. Opening up the
> source code doesn't make a project successuful, it takes much more and
> we don't have the energy to help making successful every closed-source
> project, it must come here already healthy enough to stand on its feet.
[..]
> --
> Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
> able to give birth to a dancing star.
> <st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: [POLL] ebXML Reg./Rep. on Apache?
Posted by "Theodore W. Leung" <tw...@sauria.com>.
I spoke on the phone with Peter about this proposal. I think that the
folks involved with this piece of code have already started to do some
of the legwork to form that community. I would expect a suitably
diverse list of committers to be a part of the project submission.
Ted
On Sun, 2001-10-28 at 07:19, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> [copied the XML PMC since I'm not sure all of them are subscribed here]
>
> Peter,
>
> first of all, thanks for writing us. See my comments intermixed.
>
> Peter Kacandes wrote:
> >
> > Background:
> >
> > ebXML (electronic business XML) is an initiative sponsored by OASIS and
> > UN/CEFACT to create "a modular suite of specifications that enables enterprises
> > of any size and in any geographical location to conduct business over the
> > Internet."
>
> Yes. Personally, I am aware of ebXML and I think it has great potentials
> since everybody that "get" XML knows that it will be useless without
> somebody to define and arbiter a solid foundation of schemas,
> namespaces, metadate schemas and their relations.
>
> > One of the specifications in the ebXML suite deals with XML registries and
> > repositories: "The OASIS ebXML Registry TC develops specifications to achieve
> > interoperable registries and repositories, with an interface that enables
> > submission, query and retrieval on the contents of the registry and repository."
> >
> > Details can be found at:
> > http://www.ebxml.org/
> > http://www.ebxml.org/specs/index.htm#technical_specifications
> > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/
> >
> > As part of our work on the ebXML initiative, Sun Microsystems Inc. has developed
> > a JavaTM based implementation of the registry and repository specification that
> > we have shown on various occasions such as trade show demos.
>
> Ok.
>
> > We have received numerous inquiries from many different parts of the developer
> > community expressing interest in being able to work on this implementation to
> > produce a fully specification compliant implementation.
>
> Good.
>
> > Sun has determined and given approval for making this implementation available
> > to an open source community. Consequently, we would like to submit this proposal
> > to the members of the Apache XML project for consideration of accepting this
> > donation as a sub-project.
> >
> > Thank you very much for your attention to and consideration for this proposal.
>
> The Apache Software Foundation goals are to help keeping the web open
> and making sure that new technologies keep the web as open as it is
> today (or even more).
>
> Personally, I can see only benefits in having something to do with more
> business oriented areas of the web and web services. The SOAP/Axis
> subproject go exactly in that direction even if some of us don't like
> the technology (me being one of them).
>
> This said, it is important for you to understand that we at Apache don't
> value software but value the community of users and developers behind
> it.
>
> For this reason, it doesn't make much sense to us to accept a software
> donation if this doesn't help the establishment of a community around it
> to further enhance the software and, doing so, influence the design of
> the standards that it is based on.
>
> I hope you understand this is a vital point for us: a software without a
> community is dead even if you have the source available. Opening up the
> source code doesn't make a project successuful, it takes much more and
> we don't have the energy to help making successful every closed-source
> project, it must come here already healthy enough to stand on its feet.
>
> For this reason, we tend not to accept a project submission if there are
> less than two active developers that are committed to work on the code
> on a regular basis and to help bootstrap the community by answering
> questions to users, write docs, commit user-submitted patches.
>
> Then, we value diversity and volunteer effort: if the dev team is
> entirely composed by people working by the same company and paid to do
> the job, we consider this dev community not enough "healthy", from an
> open source point of view, because it will be easy to get to political
> friction due to the misconception that those developers might act for
> their employer rather than for themselves.
>
> > We look foward to your questions, comments, or concerns.
>
> ebXML is not the only organization that aims to create business
> standards. I might add that this is a politically intense area where
> friction can be easily develop and hardly dissipate.
>
> This warns me to be overly cautious when judging a project submission on
> this area.
>
> While I understand that Sun's intention might be honest and open the
> software to encouradge participation (something that I would only
> plaud), others might think that Sun is willing to take advantage of
> Apache's visibility to further push their ideas on this market.
>
> Our duty on general@ lists (both xml's and jakarta's) is not to judge
> the technical details behind the proposed software (not at all!), but to
> judge the "health" of the community around the software.
>
> For more information, please read
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html
>
> which was written for the Jakarta Project but holds the same spirit we
> would like to use here.
>
> IMHO, accepting the submission would create more problems than it would
> solve from a community point of view, but I'd like to hear other
> comments before stating a pending negative vote.
>
> My suggestion, for now, would be to try to bootstrap a community
> in-house at Sun (or at ebXML or at OASIS or at sourceforge.net, you pick
> the one you like the most) and try to generate diversity in the
> development community.
>
> When (if?) this happens, I'll be more than welcome to reconsider the
> submission under a different light against giving value to the status of
> the community rather than to the technical decisions of the project.
>
> Please understand that my intention with this reasoning is not to judge
> the technical details of your proposal, but the energy that
> bootstrapping that community will require and, IMHO, this requires from
> us more energy that it might give back in the short term.
>
> But, of course, this is just my personal opinion.
>
> --
> Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
> able to give birth to a dancing star.
> <st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: [POLL] ebXML Reg./Rep. on Apache?
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
[copied the XML PMC since I'm not sure all of them are subscribed here]
Peter,
first of all, thanks for writing us. See my comments intermixed.
Peter Kacandes wrote:
>
> Background:
>
> ebXML (electronic business XML) is an initiative sponsored by OASIS and
> UN/CEFACT to create "a modular suite of specifications that enables enterprises
> of any size and in any geographical location to conduct business over the
> Internet."
Yes. Personally, I am aware of ebXML and I think it has great potentials
since everybody that "get" XML knows that it will be useless without
somebody to define and arbiter a solid foundation of schemas,
namespaces, metadate schemas and their relations.
> One of the specifications in the ebXML suite deals with XML registries and
> repositories: "The OASIS ebXML Registry TC develops specifications to achieve
> interoperable registries and repositories, with an interface that enables
> submission, query and retrieval on the contents of the registry and repository."
>
> Details can be found at:
> http://www.ebxml.org/
> http://www.ebxml.org/specs/index.htm#technical_specifications
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/
>
> As part of our work on the ebXML initiative, Sun Microsystems Inc. has developed
> a JavaTM based implementation of the registry and repository specification that
> we have shown on various occasions such as trade show demos.
Ok.
> We have received numerous inquiries from many different parts of the developer
> community expressing interest in being able to work on this implementation to
> produce a fully specification compliant implementation.
Good.
> Sun has determined and given approval for making this implementation available
> to an open source community. Consequently, we would like to submit this proposal
> to the members of the Apache XML project for consideration of accepting this
> donation as a sub-project.
>
> Thank you very much for your attention to and consideration for this proposal.
The Apache Software Foundation goals are to help keeping the web open
and making sure that new technologies keep the web as open as it is
today (or even more).
Personally, I can see only benefits in having something to do with more
business oriented areas of the web and web services. The SOAP/Axis
subproject go exactly in that direction even if some of us don't like
the technology (me being one of them).
This said, it is important for you to understand that we at Apache don't
value software but value the community of users and developers behind
it.
For this reason, it doesn't make much sense to us to accept a software
donation if this doesn't help the establishment of a community around it
to further enhance the software and, doing so, influence the design of
the standards that it is based on.
I hope you understand this is a vital point for us: a software without a
community is dead even if you have the source available. Opening up the
source code doesn't make a project successuful, it takes much more and
we don't have the energy to help making successful every closed-source
project, it must come here already healthy enough to stand on its feet.
For this reason, we tend not to accept a project submission if there are
less than two active developers that are committed to work on the code
on a regular basis and to help bootstrap the community by answering
questions to users, write docs, commit user-submitted patches.
Then, we value diversity and volunteer effort: if the dev team is
entirely composed by people working by the same company and paid to do
the job, we consider this dev community not enough "healthy", from an
open source point of view, because it will be easy to get to political
friction due to the misconception that those developers might act for
their employer rather than for themselves.
> We look foward to your questions, comments, or concerns.
ebXML is not the only organization that aims to create business
standards. I might add that this is a politically intense area where
friction can be easily develop and hardly dissipate.
This warns me to be overly cautious when judging a project submission on
this area.
While I understand that Sun's intention might be honest and open the
software to encouradge participation (something that I would only
plaud), others might think that Sun is willing to take advantage of
Apache's visibility to further push their ideas on this market.
Our duty on general@ lists (both xml's and jakarta's) is not to judge
the technical details behind the proposed software (not at all!), but to
judge the "health" of the community around the software.
For more information, please read
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html
which was written for the Jakarta Project but holds the same spirit we
would like to use here.
IMHO, accepting the submission would create more problems than it would
solve from a community point of view, but I'd like to hear other
comments before stating a pending negative vote.
My suggestion, for now, would be to try to bootstrap a community
in-house at Sun (or at ebXML or at OASIS or at sourceforge.net, you pick
the one you like the most) and try to generate diversity in the
development community.
When (if?) this happens, I'll be more than welcome to reconsider the
submission under a different light against giving value to the status of
the community rather than to the technical decisions of the project.
Please understand that my intention with this reasoning is not to judge
the technical details of your proposal, but the energy that
bootstrapping that community will require and, IMHO, this requires from
us more energy that it might give back in the short term.
But, of course, this is just my personal opinion.
--
Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
able to give birth to a dancing star.
<st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: [POLL] ebXML Reg./Rep. on Apache?
Posted by Martin Stricker <sh...@gmx.de>.
Peter Kacandes wrote:
> Sun has determined and given approval for making
> this implementation available
> to an open source community. Consequently, we would
> like to submit this proposal
> to the members of the Apache XML project for
> consideration of accepting this
> donation as a sub-project.
+1, but I'm not a committer. Sounds really interesting. I already can
think of a use for this in the company I work for.
Best regards,
Martin Stricker
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Re: [POLL] ebXML Reg./Rep. on Apache?
Posted by Vivek Chopra <vi...@yahoo.com>.
+1
--- Peter Kacandes <Pe...@Sun.COM> wrote:
> Background:
>
> ebXML (electronic business XML) is an initiative
> sponsored by OASIS and
> UN/CEFACT to create "a modular suite of
> specifications that enables enterprises
> of any size and in any geographical location to
> conduct business over the
> Internet."
>
> One of the specifications in the ebXML suite deals
> with XML registries and
> repositories: "The OASIS ebXML Registry TC develops
> specifications to achieve
> interoperable registries and repositories, with an
> interface that enables
> submission, query and retrieval on the contents of
> the registry and repository."
>
> Details can be found at:
> http://www.ebxml.org/
>
http://www.ebxml.org/specs/index.htm#technical_specifications
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/
>
> As part of our work on the ebXML initiative, Sun
> Microsystems Inc. has developed
> a JavaTM based implementation of the registry and
> repository specification that
> we have shown on various occasions such as trade
> show demos.
>
> We have received numerous inquiries from many
> different parts of the developer
> community expressing interest in being able to work
> on this implementation to
> produce a fully specification compliant
> implementation.
>
> Sun has determined and given approval for making
> this implementation available
> to an open source community. Consequently, we would
> like to submit this proposal
> to the members of the Apache XML project for
> consideration of accepting this
> donation as a sub-project.
>
> Thank you very much for your attention to and
> consideration for this proposal.
>
> We look foward to your questions, comments, or
> concerns.
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
>
> Peter Kacandes
>
> Sr. Product Manager, Java XML APIs phone number:
> 408 276 7139, X17139
> Java Software Products email:
> peter.kacandes@sun.com
>
>
>
>
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