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Posted to dev@ode.apache.org by Matthieu Riou <ma...@gmail.com> on 2007/06/20 02:32:37 UTC
Re: More committers
On 6/19/07, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:<snip>
> I would like to see Ode working with some of our Web
> Service related projects to put out some turnkey solutions, e.g.,
> Ode+Synapse+Tomcat, Ode+Tuscany+Tomcat, Ode+__+Geronimo, ... In my
> opinion,
> Ode ought to become ubitquitous in WSDL-based Web Services environments,
> and
> putting together some turnkey bundles would go a long way to furthering
> that
> goal.
</snip>
Actually we are already. We have working integration with Axis2 (for the WS
stack) and ServiceMix (for JBI). I believe the Axis2 integration virtually
gives us Synapse integration (maybe Dims or Sanjiva can jump in here, I
could be wrong), but I agree it would be nice to work out some Synapse+ODE
distro.
As for Tuscany we've been discussing with them for a while and the work is
currently starting (see [1]). Funny that you mention it, I was just looking
at it today.
Related topic: was there much follow up to the dialog between Victor Panizza
> and Alex Boisvert from last October? Specifically related to Human Task
> activities.
Don't remember the outcome, maybe Alex can jump in.
Bah ... this really ought to be on the dev list ... feel free to reply to
> there and cc me, or I'll just read the archives.
Done :)
Matthieu
[1]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ode-dev/200706.mbox/%3c5a75db780706081657p6f803db3p38b1f5159010ecf4@mail.gmail.com%3e
Re: Turnkey packaging
Posted by Matthieu Riou <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 6/19/07, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
>
> Matthieu Riou wrote:
>
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > I would like to see Ode working with some of our Web
> > > Service related projects to put out some turnkey
> > > solutions, e.g., Ode+Synapse+Tomcat, Ode+Tuscany+Tomcat,
> > > Ode+__+Geronimo, ... In my opinion, Ode ought to become
> > > ubitquitous in WSDL-based Web Services environments, and
> > > putting together some turnkey bundles would go a long way
> > > to furthering that goal.
>
> > Actually we are already. We have working integration with Axis2
> > (for the WS stack) and ServiceMix (for JBI). I believe the Axis2
> > integration virtually gives us Synapse integration (maybe Dims
> > or Sanjiva can jump in here, I could be wrong), but I agree it
> > would be nice to work out some Synapse+ODE distro.
>
> > As for Tuscany we've been discussing with them for a while and
> > the work is currently starting (see [1]). Funny that you mention
> > it, I was just looking at it today.
>
> What I'm talking about is going beyond working with them on the code,
> which
> is good, and actually putting out turnkey binary packages that someone can
> load and go. With some canned samples.
So our two distributions, for Axis2 and ServiceMix, are pretty much turnkey
packages. They're easy to deploy and include simple example processes that
you can start playing with. Just try to download our WAR distro and deploy
it in Tomcat, you'll see you can get examples up and running within
minutes, using Axis2 as the messaging layer.
With Tuscany, we're just getting started, but as we would be their BPEL
implementation engine, I believe we'd be part of their default distribution
or one of its flavor (could make sense for them to have light / complete
packages).
And with Synapse, we still have to get started...
Overall I think we do agree with the goal to be the ring to bind them all :)
There's just already a lot to do on ODE and each integration takes time. And
if anybody on the list is willing to help for Synapse, (s)he'd be welcome!!
Matthieu
--- Noel
>
>
>
Re: Human Tasks
Posted by Matthieu Riou <ma...@gmail.com>.
It's apparently going to be submitted to OASIS a bit later in the year:
http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid26_gci1262143,00.html?track=NL-110&ad=594699&asrc=EM_NLN_1664249&uid=616380
Which isn't such a good news from the IP side, OASIS often produces
standards that aren't really open source friendly...
On 6/26/07, Tammo van Lessen <tv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> fyi:
>
> The final draft of BPEL4People is available.
>
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/specification/ws-bpel4people/?S_TACT=105AGX04&S_CMP=HP
>
> However I'm wondering whether the namespace
> http://www.example.org/BPEL4People is also somewhat final...
>
> Best regards,
> Tammo
>
> --
> Tammo van Lessen - tvanlessen@gmail.com - http://www.taval.de
>
Re: Human Tasks
Posted by Tammo van Lessen <tv...@gmail.com>.
fyi:
The final draft of BPEL4People is available.
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/specification/ws-bpel4people/?S_TACT=105AGX04&S_CMP=HP
However I'm wondering whether the namespace
http://www.example.org/BPEL4People is also somewhat final...
Best regards,
Tammo
--
Tammo van Lessen - tvanlessen@gmail.com - http://www.taval.de
Re: Human Tasks
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
+1 for human participation (BPEL4PEOPLE)
I'd be interested in helping on this area...
On 6/19/07, Zubin Wadia <zw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 on the human participation piece. Absolutely critical.
>
> On 6/19/07, Matthieu Riou <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 6/19/07, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Alex Boisvert wrote:
> > > > We're open to bringing Tempo under the Apache umbrella if there's
> > > > sufficient interest. It would be a good step towards building a
> > > > more complete BPM solution at Apache.
> > >
> > > Personally, I consider support for human participation in workflows to
> > be
> > > vital, so I'd be in favor of accepting a contribution to further that
> > > goal.
> >
> >
> > I think there's still several pieces missing to get a solid set of BPM
> > bricks in the ASF. ODE is just the first part but I'd personally like to
> > see
> > the following pieces implemented and made to work together:
> >
> > - a web service orchestration engine (ODE)
> > - human participation (could be Tempo)
> > - small footprint, embeddable process execution environment,
> > addressing the "programming in the small" set of problems (ala jbpm)
> >
> > There's much more than that to BPM but that's a lot of work already and we
> > can't dilute ourselves too much. However I think that's what we should
> > push
> > for.
> >
> > Matthieu
> >
>
--
Luciano Resende
Apache Tuscany Committer
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: Human Tasks
Posted by Zubin Wadia <zw...@gmail.com>.
+1 on the human participation piece. Absolutely critical.
On 6/19/07, Matthieu Riou <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 6/19/07, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> >
> > Alex Boisvert wrote:
> > > We're open to bringing Tempo under the Apache umbrella if there's
> > > sufficient interest. It would be a good step towards building a
> > > more complete BPM solution at Apache.
> >
> > Personally, I consider support for human participation in workflows to
> be
> > vital, so I'd be in favor of accepting a contribution to further that
> > goal.
>
>
> I think there's still several pieces missing to get a solid set of BPM
> bricks in the ASF. ODE is just the first part but I'd personally like to
> see
> the following pieces implemented and made to work together:
>
> - a web service orchestration engine (ODE)
> - human participation (could be Tempo)
> - small footprint, embeddable process execution environment,
> addressing the "programming in the small" set of problems (ala jbpm)
>
> There's much more than that to BPM but that's a lot of work already and we
> can't dilute ourselves too much. However I think that's what we should
> push
> for.
>
> Matthieu
>
Re: Human Tasks
Posted by Matthieu Riou <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 6/19/07, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
>
> Alex Boisvert wrote:
> > We're open to bringing Tempo under the Apache umbrella if there's
> > sufficient interest. It would be a good step towards building a
> > more complete BPM solution at Apache.
>
> Personally, I consider support for human participation in workflows to be
> vital, so I'd be in favor of accepting a contribution to further that
> goal.
I think there's still several pieces missing to get a solid set of BPM
bricks in the ASF. ODE is just the first part but I'd personally like to see
the following pieces implemented and made to work together:
- a web service orchestration engine (ODE)
- human participation (could be Tempo)
- small footprint, embeddable process execution environment,
addressing the "programming in the small" set of problems (ala jbpm)
There's much more than that to BPM but that's a lot of work already and we
can't dilute ourselves too much. However I think that's what we should push
for.
Matthieu
Human Tasks
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Alex Boisvert wrote:
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > was there much follow up to the dialog between Victor Panizza
> > > and Alex Boisvert from last October? Specifically related to
> > > Human Task activities.
> I don't remember the exact outcome, although I'm pretty sure I must
> have pointed Victor to http://tempo.intalio.org.
Yes, I also seem to recall that you did.
> We're open to bringing Tempo under the Apache umbrella if there's
> sufficient interest. It would be a good step towards building a
> more complete BPM solution at Apache.
Personally, I consider support for human participation in workflows to be
vital, so I'd be in favor of accepting a contribution to further that goal.
--- Noel
Re: More committers
Posted by Alex Boisvert <bo...@intalio.com>.
On 6/19/07, Matthieu Riou <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Related topic: was there much follow up to the dialog between Victor
> Panizza
> > and Alex Boisvert from last October? Specifically related to Human Task
> > activities.
I don't remember the exact outcome, although I'm pretty sure I must have
pointed Victor to http://tempo.intalio.org. We're open to bringing Tempo
under the Apache umbrella if there's sufficient interest. It would be a
good step towards building a more complete BPM solution at Apache.
alex
Turnkey packaging
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Matthieu Riou wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > I would like to see Ode working with some of our Web
> > Service related projects to put out some turnkey
> > solutions, e.g., Ode+Synapse+Tomcat, Ode+Tuscany+Tomcat,
> > Ode+__+Geronimo, ... In my opinion, Ode ought to become
> > ubitquitous in WSDL-based Web Services environments, and
> > putting together some turnkey bundles would go a long way
> > to furthering that goal.
> Actually we are already. We have working integration with Axis2
> (for the WS stack) and ServiceMix (for JBI). I believe the Axis2
> integration virtually gives us Synapse integration (maybe Dims
> or Sanjiva can jump in here, I could be wrong), but I agree it
> would be nice to work out some Synapse+ODE distro.
> As for Tuscany we've been discussing with them for a while and
> the work is currently starting (see [1]). Funny that you mention
> it, I was just looking at it today.
What I'm talking about is going beyond working with them on the code, which
is good, and actually putting out turnkey binary packages that someone can
load and go. With some canned samples.
--- Noel