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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by in...@softwaredistributor.info on 2012/05/06 08:15:37 UTC
Who is Page Maintainer Now?
http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Dear Alex,
Re:Hong Kong Distributor (Free Software-Free CD-ROM)
http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/index.html
Please Change my website URL from
http://www.networkowned.com (Domain illegally transferred to other account)
to
http://www.softwaredistributor.info
Hong Kong
Distributor
Free Software-Free CD-ROM http://www.networkowned.com (invalid) please
change to http://www.softwaredistributor.info
Grateful if you can change it as soon as possible.
You can find my application email(info@networkowned.com) for distributor
in your mail archive
Regards
Benjamin Lee
info@softwaredistributor.info
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Kay Schenk wrote:
> On 05/05/2012 11:15 PM, info@softwaredistributor.info wrote:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/index.html
>> Please Change my website URL from
>> http://www.networkowned.com (Domain illegally transferred to other
>> account)
>> to
>> http://www.softwaredistributor.info
>
> Is there any problem with honoring this request?
Yes (for the second part, i.e., the new site). At least, this is what I
posted when addressing the very same request on ooo-users and
ooo-marketing: http://s.apache.org/6sF ; but I delegated the final
decision to Trademarks.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
There days was thinking in the creation or reformulation of the cd/dvd AOO,
could create thread about this.
In future create cd/dvd with Apache OpenOffice 3.4 and/or next versions.
Best,
Albino
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 1:00 PM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
> I do not see either http://www.networkowned.com or
> http://www.softwaredistributor.info on that page. Maybe someone updated
> it already?
>
I wasn't even aware of that page :). By the way, just checked and one
domain under "Argentina" is no longer operating, you might want to remove it
*
http://pedidos.televentas.info/
FC
*
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act
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Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
On 2012/05/06 23:50, Kay Schenk said:
> On 05/05/2012 11:15 PM, info@softwaredistributor.info wrote:
>> Re:Hong Kong Distributor (Free Software-Free CD-ROM)
>> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/index.html
>> Please Change my website URL from
>> http://www.networkowned.com (Domain illegally transferred to other
>> account)
>> to
>> http://www.softwaredistributor.info
> Is there any problem with honoring this request?
I do not see either http://www.networkowned.com or
http://www.softwaredistributor.info on that page. Maybe someone updated
it already?
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Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this
> structure in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the
> best way forward.
Probably; but in this case I'd wait a few weeks, possibly check with
Trademarks what requirements we need to place on the distributors, then
see who is distributing Apache OpenOffice 3.4 properly and remove the
other ones. In any case, we already have some disclaimers in place so I
wouldn't reset the page now (on the other hand, my initial position was
similar to Drew's, i.e., zap everything by release time; I don't have
strong preferences, but there's a lot of editing going on in the website
currently and it seems the CMS does not allow to publish single files,
so I'd postpone the cleanup until the release anyway).
> Andrea Pescetti has done some work on the page today. I suggest
> consulting with him on a clean way forward.
What I did was:
- Remove the spam site as per original request: http://s.apache.org/6sF
- Notify Trademarks so that we can have advice: http://s.apache.org/6sF
- Remove spam/dead links, limited to Italy: http://s.apache.org/9dK
- Remove dead link reported by Fernando: http://s.apache.org/3Ec
So I just took the obvious uncontroversial actions. The real issue is
still to be examined, but I'd give priority to what is strictly relevant
for the release.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>> <de...@acm.org> wrote:
>> > +1
>> >
>> > I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this
>> structure in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best
>> way forward.
>> >
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually
>> distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with
>> security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware
>> inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today.
>> So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with
>> initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone
>> known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another
>> thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell
>> what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
>>
>> What we could do to protect our users is something like this:
>>
>> -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD
>> distributors
>>
>> -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo,
>> but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and
>> nothing but OpenOffice.
>>
>
> Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page --
>
> *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM
> you may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a
> courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please
> report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <cd...@openoffice.org>
>
> We should probably make a minor change on this for now and replace
> OpenOffice.org with Apache OpenOffice , remove Alex, and point them to
> ooo-dev? As I'm making final adjustments to things I am finding many such
> items.*
>
Also, we have NO CD images...I will make a few more changes to this now,
for now.
> *
> *
>
>>
>> > This will disadvantage some NL groups who have been maintaining the
>> information for their region, though. So it needs to be a brief disruption.
>> >
>> > Andrea Pescetti has done some work on the page today. I suggest
>> consulting with him on a clean way forward.
>> >
>> > - Dennis
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: drew jensen [mailto:drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:48
>> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now?
>> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
>> >
>> > [ ... ]
>> >
>> > There are quite a few junk links on that page, for sure.
>> > At the moment no-one is actively working on a CD image.
>> > We don't have a 'community distributor' program, really - right - I
>> > think it was a good idea and still is, but this group has to carve out a
>> > little time to figure it out anew.
>> >
>> > so - given the change in project, I really do think the best way
>> > forward is to just wipe that page clean, first - and then look at what
>> > should go in it's pace.
>> >
>> > My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want
>> > distributors and an information page such as this and I'll work with
>> > others to get it back, but I really think by Tuesday the links should be
>> > e gone.
>> >
>> > //drew
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
>
> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> And life has a funny way of helping you out
> Helping you out."
> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>
>
>
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out."
-- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now?
http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Juergen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>.
On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 18:35, Kay Schenk wrote:
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:35 AM, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 08:16 +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote:
> > > On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 03:06, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> > > > > > > <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this
> > > > > structure
> > > > > > > in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > way
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > forward.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are
> > actually
> > > > > > > distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with
> > > > > > > security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > adware
> > > > > > > inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > today.
> > > > > > > So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with
> > > > > > > initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone
> > > > > > > known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > another
> > > > > > > thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > sell
> > > > > > > what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What we could do to protect our users is something like this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD
> > > > > > > distributors
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the
> > logo,
> > > > > > > but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > OpenOffice and
> > > > > > > nothing but OpenOffice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any
> > CD-ROM
> > > > > you
> > > > > > may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > a
> > > > > > courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links,
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > please
> > > > > > report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > cdrom@openoffice.org>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users.
> > > > > If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and
> > > > > contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of
> > > > > opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting
> > > > > involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and
> > have
> > > > > a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then
> > > > > let's do it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Otherwise, imagine the parallel:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for
> > > > > downloading OpenOffice
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) We allow them to use the official project logo
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads
> > > > >
> > > > > 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various
> > > > > scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download
> > > > > sites
> > > > >
> > > > > You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd
> > party
> > > > > download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would
> > > > > not really help the users.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, we would never do something like that with download links.
> > > > > But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically
> > > > > makes it better. It is still a swamp.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do
> > that...
> > > >
> > >
> > > Maybe yes with a note that we are working on a reliable and working
> > >
> >
> > solution for the future.
> > > I can think of a partner who we know and who simply produce it on demand.
> >
> >
> > Hi Juergen
> >
> > Those damed folks where just clingers on anyway - I am sure you agree.
> >
> > //drew
> For now, I just completely commented out the CD ROM and ISO image stuff
> from the new download page. I can work on this in a bit and when we have
> what we like I'll put it back in.
>
+1
Juergen
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> And life has a funny way of helping you out
> Helping you out."
> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>
>
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:35 AM, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 08:16 +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote:
> > On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 03:06, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> > > > > > <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this
> > > > structure
> > > > > > in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best
> way
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > forward.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are
> actually
> > > > > > distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with
> > > > > > security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with
> adware
> > > > > > inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web
> today.
> > > > > > So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with
> > > > > > initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone
> > > > > > known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is
> another
> > > > > > thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to
> sell
> > > > > > what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What we could do to protect our users is something like this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD
> > > > > > distributors
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the
> logo,
> > > > > > but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of
> OpenOffice and
> > > > > > nothing but OpenOffice.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page --
> > > > >
> > > > > *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any
> CD-ROM
> > > > you
> > > > > may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as
> a
> > > > > courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links,
> please
> > > > > report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <
> cdrom@openoffice.org>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users.
> > > > If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and
> > > > contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of
> > > > opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting
> > > > involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and
> have
> > > > a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then
> > > > let's do it.
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise, imagine the parallel:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for
> > > > downloading OpenOffice
> > > >
> > > > 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO.
> > > >
> > > > 3) We allow them to use the official project logo
> > > >
> > > > 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads
> > > >
> > > > 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various
> > > > scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download
> > > > sites
> > > >
> > > > You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd
> party
> > > > download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would
> > > > not really help the users.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, we would never do something like that with download links.
> > > > But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically
> > > > makes it better. It is still a swamp.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do
> that...
> > >
> > >
> > Maybe yes with a note that we are working on a reliable and working
> solution for the future.
> > I can think of a partner who we know and who simply produce it on demand.
> >
>
> Hi Juergen
>
> Those damed folks where just clingers on anyway - I am sure you agree.
>
> //drew
>
>
For now, I just completely commented out the CD ROM and ISO image stuff
from the new download page. I can work on this in a bit and when we have
what we like I'll put it back in.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out."
-- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now?
http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>.
On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 08:16 +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote:
> On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 03:06, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> > > > > <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this
> > > structure
> > > > > in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way
> > > >
> > >
> > > forward.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually
> > > > > distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with
> > > > > security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware
> > > > > inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today.
> > > > > So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with
> > > > > initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone
> > > > > known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another
> > > > > thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell
> > > > > what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
> > > > >
> > > > > What we could do to protect our users is something like this:
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD
> > > > > distributors
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo,
> > > > > but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and
> > > > > nothing but OpenOffice.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page --
> > > >
> > > > *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM
> > > you
> > > > may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a
> > > > courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please
> > > > report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <cd...@openoffice.org>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users.
> > > If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and
> > > contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of
> > > opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting
> > > involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago.
> > >
> > > Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and have
> > > a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then
> > > let's do it.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, imagine the parallel:
> > >
> > >
> > > 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for
> > > downloading OpenOffice
> > >
> > > 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO.
> > >
> > > 3) We allow them to use the official project logo
> > >
> > > 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads
> > >
> > > 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various
> > > scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download
> > > sites
> > >
> > > You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd party
> > > download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would
> > > not really help the users.
> > >
> > > Of course, we would never do something like that with download links.
> > > But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically
> > > makes it better. It is still a swamp.
> > >
> >
> >
> > yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do that...
> >
> >
> Maybe yes with a note that we are working on a reliable and working solution for the future.
> I can think of a partner who we know and who simply produce it on demand.
>
Hi Juergen
Those damed folks where just clingers on anyway - I am sure you agree.
//drew
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now?
http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Juergen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>.
On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 03:06, Kay Schenk wrote:
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> > > > <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this
> > structure
> > > > in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way
> > >
> >
> > forward.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually
> > > > distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with
> > > > security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware
> > > > inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today.
> > > > So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with
> > > > initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone
> > > > known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another
> > > > thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell
> > > > what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
> > > >
> > > > What we could do to protect our users is something like this:
> > > >
> > > > -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD
> > > > distributors
> > > >
> > > > -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo,
> > > > but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and
> > > > nothing but OpenOffice.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page --
> > >
> > > *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM
> > you
> > > may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a
> > > courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please
> > > report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <cd...@openoffice.org>
> > >
> >
> >
> > Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users.
> > If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and
> > contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of
> > opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting
> > involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago.
> >
> > Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and have
> > a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then
> > let's do it.
> >
> > Otherwise, imagine the parallel:
> >
> >
> > 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for
> > downloading OpenOffice
> >
> > 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO.
> >
> > 3) We allow them to use the official project logo
> >
> > 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads
> >
> > 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various
> > scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download
> > sites
> >
> > You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd party
> > download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would
> > not really help the users.
> >
> > Of course, we would never do something like that with download links.
> > But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically
> > makes it better. It is still a swamp.
> >
>
>
> yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do that...
>
>
Maybe yes with a note that we are working on a reliable and working solution for the future.
I can think of a partner who we know and who simply produce it on demand.
Juergen
>
> >
> >
> > > We should probably make a minor change on this for now and replace
> > > OpenOffice.org with Apache OpenOffice , remove Alex, and point them to
> > > ooo-dev? As I'm making final adjustments to things I am finding many such
> > > items.
> > > *
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > This will disadvantage some NL groups who have been maintaining the
> > > > information for their region, though. So it needs to be a brief
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > disruption.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrea Pescetti has done some work on the page today. I suggest
> > > > consulting with him on a clean way forward.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Dennis
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: drew jensen [mailto:drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:48
> > > > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
> > > > >
> > > > > [ ... ]
> > > > >
> > > > > There are quite a few junk links on that page, for sure.
> > > > > At the moment no-one is actively working on a CD image.
> > > > > We don't have a 'community distributor' program, really - right - I
> > > > > think it was a good idea and still is, but this group has to carve
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > out a
> > > > > little time to figure it out anew.
> > > > >
> > > > > so - given the change in project, I really do think the best way
> > > > > forward is to just wipe that page clean, first - and then look at what
> > > > > should go in it's pace.
> > > > >
> > > > > My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want
> > > > > distributors and an information page such as this and I'll work with
> > > > > others to get it back, but I really think by Tuesday the links should
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > be
> > > > > e gone.
> > > > >
> > > > > //drew
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > MzK
> > >
> > > "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> > > And life has a funny way of helping you out
> > > Helping you out."
> > > -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> And life has a funny way of helping you out
> Helping you out."
> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>
>
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> >> <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> >> > +1
> >> >
> >> > I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this
> structure
> >> in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way
> forward.
> >> >
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually
> >> distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with
> >> security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware
> >> inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today.
> >> So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with
> >> initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone
> >> known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another
> >> thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell
> >> what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
> >>
> >> What we could do to protect our users is something like this:
> >>
> >> -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD
> >> distributors
> >>
> >> -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo,
> >> but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and
> >> nothing but OpenOffice.
> >>
> >
> > Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page --
> >
> > *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM
> you
> > may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a
> > courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please
> > report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <cd...@openoffice.org>
> >
>
> Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users.
> If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and
> contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of
> opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting
> involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago.
>
> Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and have
> a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then
> let's do it.
>
> Otherwise, imagine the parallel:
>
>
> 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for
> downloading OpenOffice
>
> 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO.
>
> 3) We allow them to use the official project logo
>
> 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads
>
> 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various
> scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download
> sites
>
> You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd party
> download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would
> not really help the users.
>
> Of course, we would never do something like that with download links.
> But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically
> makes it better. It is still a swamp.
>
yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do that...
>
>
> > We should probably make a minor change on this for now and replace
> > OpenOffice.org with Apache OpenOffice , remove Alex, and point them to
> > ooo-dev? As I'm making final adjustments to things I am finding many such
> > items.
> > *
> >
> >>
> >> > This will disadvantage some NL groups who have been maintaining the
> >> information for their region, though. So it needs to be a brief
> disruption.
> >> >
> >> > Andrea Pescetti has done some work on the page today. I suggest
> >> consulting with him on a clean way forward.
> >> >
> >> > - Dennis
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: drew jensen [mailto:drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com]
> >> > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:48
> >> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> > Subject: Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now?
> >> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
> >> >
> >> > [ ... ]
> >> >
> >> > There are quite a few junk links on that page, for sure.
> >> > At the moment no-one is actively working on a CD image.
> >> > We don't have a 'community distributor' program, really - right - I
> >> > think it was a good idea and still is, but this group has to carve
> out a
> >> > little time to figure it out anew.
> >> >
> >> > so - given the change in project, I really do think the best way
> >> > forward is to just wipe that page clean, first - and then look at what
> >> > should go in it's pace.
> >> >
> >> > My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want
> >> > distributors and an information page such as this and I'll work with
> >> > others to get it back, but I really think by Tuesday the links should
> be
> >> > e gone.
> >> >
> >> > //drew
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> > And life has a funny way of helping you out
> > Helping you out."
> > -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out."
-- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>> <de...@acm.org> wrote:
>> > +1
>> >
>> > I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this structure
>> in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way forward.
>> >
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually
>> distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with
>> security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware
>> inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today.
>> So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with
>> initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone
>> known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another
>> thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell
>> what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
>>
>> What we could do to protect our users is something like this:
>>
>> -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD
>> distributors
>>
>> -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo,
>> but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and
>> nothing but OpenOffice.
>>
>
> Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page --
>
> *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM you
> may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a
> courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please
> report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <cd...@openoffice.org>
>
Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users.
If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and
contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of
opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting
involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago.
Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and have
a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then
let's do it.
Otherwise, imagine the parallel:
1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for
downloading OpenOffice
2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO.
3) We allow them to use the official project logo
4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads
5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various
scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download
sites
You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd party
download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would
not really help the users.
Of course, we would never do something like that with download links.
But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically
makes it better. It is still a swamp.
> We should probably make a minor change on this for now and replace
> OpenOffice.org with Apache OpenOffice , remove Alex, and point them to
> ooo-dev? As I'm making final adjustments to things I am finding many such
> items.
> *
>
>>
>> > This will disadvantage some NL groups who have been maintaining the
>> information for their region, though. So it needs to be a brief disruption.
>> >
>> > Andrea Pescetti has done some work on the page today. I suggest
>> consulting with him on a clean way forward.
>> >
>> > - Dennis
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: drew jensen [mailto:drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:48
>> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now?
>> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
>> >
>> > [ ... ]
>> >
>> > There are quite a few junk links on that page, for sure.
>> > At the moment no-one is actively working on a CD image.
>> > We don't have a 'community distributor' program, really - right - I
>> > think it was a good idea and still is, but this group has to carve out a
>> > little time to figure it out anew.
>> >
>> > so - given the change in project, I really do think the best way
>> > forward is to just wipe that page clean, first - and then look at what
>> > should go in it's pace.
>> >
>> > My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want
>> > distributors and an information page such as this and I'll work with
>> > others to get it back, but I really think by Tuesday the links should be
>> > e gone.
>> >
>> > //drew
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
> And life has a funny way of helping you out
> Helping you out."
> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this structure
> in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way forward.
> >
>
> +1
>
> Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually
> distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with
> security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware
> inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today.
> So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with
> initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone
> known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another
> thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell
> what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
>
> What we could do to protect our users is something like this:
>
> -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD
> distributors
>
> -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo,
> but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and
> nothing but OpenOffice.
>
Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page --
*Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM you
may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a
courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please
report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <cd...@openoffice.org>
We should probably make a minor change on this for now and replace
OpenOffice.org with Apache OpenOffice , remove Alex, and point them to
ooo-dev? As I'm making final adjustments to things I am finding many such
items.
*
>
> > This will disadvantage some NL groups who have been maintaining the
> information for their region, though. So it needs to be a brief disruption.
> >
> > Andrea Pescetti has done some work on the page today. I suggest
> consulting with him on a clean way forward.
> >
> > - Dennis
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: drew jensen [mailto:drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:48
> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now?
> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
> >
> > [ ... ]
> >
> > There are quite a few junk links on that page, for sure.
> > At the moment no-one is actively working on a CD image.
> > We don't have a 'community distributor' program, really - right - I
> > think it was a good idea and still is, but this group has to carve out a
> > little time to figure it out anew.
> >
> > so - given the change in project, I really do think the best way
> > forward is to just wipe that page clean, first - and then look at what
> > should go in it's pace.
> >
> > My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want
> > distributors and an information page such as this and I'll work with
> > others to get it back, but I really think by Tuesday the links should be
> > e gone.
> >
> > //drew
> >
> >
>
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out."
-- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<de...@acm.org> wrote:
> +1
>
> I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this structure in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way forward.
>
+1
Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually
distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with
security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware
inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today.
So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with
initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone
known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another
thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell
what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice.
What we could do to protect our users is something like this:
-- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD distributors
-- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo,
but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and
nothing but OpenOffice.
> This will disadvantage some NL groups who have been maintaining the information for their region, though. So it needs to be a brief disruption.
>
> Andrea Pescetti has done some work on the page today. I suggest consulting with him on a clean way forward.
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: drew jensen [mailto:drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:48
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
>
> [ ... ]
>
> There are quite a few junk links on that page, for sure.
> At the moment no-one is actively working on a CD image.
> We don't have a 'community distributor' program, really - right - I
> think it was a good idea and still is, but this group has to carve out a
> little time to figure it out anew.
>
> so - given the change in project, I really do think the best way
> forward is to just wipe that page clean, first - and then look at what
> should go in it's pace.
>
> My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want
> distributors and an information page such as this and I'll work with
> others to get it back, but I really think by Tuesday the links should be
> e gone.
>
> //drew
>
>
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
2012/5/6 Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
> +1
>
> I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this structure
> in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way forward.
>
>
+1
Beginng of zero.
With all the ideas here so far.
Some "old" infos:
Iso: http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/iso_download.html
Art:
http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/cdart/previous_cdart.html
Best,
Albino
RE: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
+1
I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this structure in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way forward.
This will disadvantage some NL groups who have been maintaining the information for their region, though. So it needs to be a brief disruption.
Andrea Pescetti has done some work on the page today. I suggest consulting with him on a clean way forward.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: drew jensen [mailto:drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:48
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
[ ... ]
There are quite a few junk links on that page, for sure.
At the moment no-one is actively working on a CD image.
We don't have a 'community distributor' program, really - right - I
think it was a good idea and still is, but this group has to carve out a
little time to figure it out anew.
so - given the change in project, I really do think the best way
forward is to just wipe that page clean, first - and then look at what
should go in it's pace.
My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want
distributors and an information page such as this and I'll work with
others to get it back, but I really think by Tuesday the links should be
e gone.
//drew
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, drew jensen <dr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want
> distributors and an information page such as this and I'll work with
> others to get it back, but I really think by Tuesday the links should be
> e gone
>
How about replacing it with something like: "Do you distribute Apache Open
Office on CD? Let us know, so we can add you to this page". (mailto: link)
Then "Known distributors of OpenOffice.org" and the current, "legacy" list
below...
FC
PS: I don't think it's needed to "create a cd image" distributors can
download and burn Apache OO themselves... why go the extra effort of
repackaging it as .ISO if distributors are already doing it and
cherry-picking which languages to include etc according to their location?
--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
- George Orwell
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now?
http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by drew jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, 2012-05-06 at 08:50 -0700, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
> On 05/05/2012 11:15 PM, info@softwaredistributor.info wrote:
> > Dear Alex,
> >
> > Re:Hong Kong Distributor (Free Software-Free CD-ROM)
> > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/index.html
> >
> >
> > Please Change my website URL from
> > http://www.networkowned.com (Domain illegally transferred to other account)
> > to
> > http://www.softwaredistributor.info
> >
> >
> > Hong Kong
> > Distributor
> >
> > Free Software-Free CD-ROM http://www.networkowned.com (invalid) please
> > change to http://www.softwaredistributor.info
> >
> >
> > Grateful if you can change it as soon as possible.
> >
> >
> > You can find my application email(info@networkowned.com) for distributor
> > in your mail archive
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Benjamin Lee
> > info@softwaredistributor.info
> >
>
> Is there any problem with honoring this request?
I think there is, actually.
There are quite a few junk links on that page, for sure.
At the moment no-one is actively working on a CD image.
We don't have a 'community distributor' program, really - right - I
think it was a good idea and still is, but this group has to carve out a
little time to figure it out anew.
so - given the change in project, I really do think the best way
forward is to just wipe that page clean, first - and then look at what
should go in it's pace.
My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want
distributors and an information page such as this and I'll work with
others to get it back, but I really think by Tuesday the links should be
e gone.
//drew
//drew
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 05/05/2012 11:15 PM, info@softwaredistributor.info wrote:
> Dear Alex,
>
> Re:Hong Kong Distributor (Free Software-Free CD-ROM)
> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/index.html
>
>
> Please Change my website URL from
> http://www.networkowned.com (Domain illegally transferred to other account)
> to
> http://www.softwaredistributor.info
>
>
> Hong Kong
> Distributor
>
> Free Software-Free CD-ROM http://www.networkowned.com (invalid) please
> change to http://www.softwaredistributor.info
>
>
> Grateful if you can change it as soon as possible.
>
>
> You can find my application email(info@networkowned.com) for distributor
> in your mail archive
>
>
>
> Regards
> Benjamin Lee
> info@softwaredistributor.info
>
Is there any problem with honoring this request?
>
>
>
>
>
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And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out."
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