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keep up the great work!
Hi All,
Below is an article I got from Washington Post. Interesting enough microsoft
is lobbying all the government agencies to quit using open source S/W. Guess
what the government agencies said.
Simply the translation is "f.. off" :).
Keep up the great work people!
Thank you all,
Article is below:
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Microsoft Corp. is aggressively lobbying the Pentagon to squelch its growing
use of freely distributed computer software and switch to proprietary
systems such as those sold by the software giant, according to officials
familiar with the campaign.
In what one military source called a "barrage" of contacts with officials
at the Defense Information Systems Agency and the office of Defense
Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld over the past few months, the company said
"open source" software threatens security and its intellectual property.
But the effort may have backfired. A May 10 report prepared for the Defense
Department concluded that open source often results in more secure, less
expensive applications and that, if anything, its use should be expanded.
"Banning open source would have immediate, broad, and strongly negative
impacts on the ability of many sensitive and security-focused DOD groups to
protect themselves against cyberattacks," said the report, by Mitre Corp.
A Microsoft Corp. spokesman acknowledged discussions between the company
and the Pentagon but denied urging a ban on open-source software. He also
said Microsoft did not focus on potential security flaws.
Spokesman Jon Murchinson said Microsoft has been talking about how to allow
open-source and proprietary software to coexist. "Our goal is to resolve
difficult issues that are driving a wedge between the commercial and free
software models," he said.
John Stenbit, an assistant secretary of defense and the Defense
Department's chief information officer, said Microsoft has said using free
software with commercial software might violate the intellectual-property
rights of companies such as Microsoft. Stenbit said the issue is legally
"murky."
The company also complained that the Pentagon is funding research on making
free software more secure, which in effect subsidizes Microsoft's
open-source competitors, Stenbit said.
Microsoft's push is a new front in a long-running company assault on the
open-source movement, which company officials have called "a cancer" and
un-American.
Software is designated open source when its underlying computer code is
available for anyone to license, enhance or customize, often at no cost. The
theory is that by putting source code in the public domain, programmers
worldwide can improve software by sharing one another's work.
Vendors of the proprietary systems, such as Microsoft and Oracle Corp.,
keep their source codes secret, control changes to programs and collect all
licensing fees for their use.
Government agencies use a patchwork of systems and software, and
proprietary software is still the most widely used. But open source has
become more popular with businesses and government.
The Mitre Corp. report said open-source software "plays a more critical
role in the DOD than has been generally recognized."
The report identified 249 uses of open-source systems and tools, including
running a Web portal for the Defense Intelligence Agency, running network
security for the Army command in Europe and support for numerous Air Force
Computer Network Defense tools.
Among the most high-profile efforts is research funded by the National
Security Agency to develop a more secure version of the open-source Linux
operating system, which competes with Microsoft's Windows.
The report said banning open-source software would drive up costs, though
it offered no specifics. Some government agencies have saved significantly
by using open source.
At the Census Bureau, programmers used open-source software to launch a
Web site for obtaining federal statistics for $47,000, bureau officials
said. It would have cost $358,000 if proprietary software were used, they
said.
Microsoft has argued that some free-licensing regimes are antithetical to
the government's stated policy that moneymaking applications should develop
from government-funded research, and that intellectual property should be
protected.
Microsoft also said open-source software is inherently less secure because
the code is available for the world to examine for flaws, making it possible
for hackers or criminals to exploit them. Proprietary software, the company
argued, is more secure because of its closed nature.
"I've never seen a systematic study that showed open source to be more
secure," said Dorothy Denning, a professor of computer science at Georgetown
University who specializes in information warfare.
Others argue that the flexibility provided by open-source software is
essential, enabling users to respond quickly to flaws that are found.
"With open source, there is no need to wait for a large software firm to
decide if a set of changes is in its best interests," said Eugene Spafford,
a computer-science professor at Purdue University who specializes in
security.
Jonathan Shapiro, who teaches computer science at Johns Hopkins University,
said: "There is data that when the customer can inspect the code the vendor
is more responsive. . . . Microsoft is in a very weak position to make this
argument. Whose software is the largest, most consistent source of security
flaws? It's Microsoft."
Stenbit said the debate is academic and that what matters is how secure a
given piece of software is. To that end, the Defense Department is now
prohibited from purchasing any software that has not undergone security
testing by the NSA. Stenbit said he is unaware of any open-source software
that has been tested.
RE: keep up the great work!
Posted by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>.
I believe it is not. This is off-topic. Try slashdot, newsforge,
whatever.
thanks!
- Leo
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> >
> >
> > JM wrote:
> > >
> > > Thought I would pass along the "news".
> > >
> > > JM
> > > >
> > > > I never believe news that people put in e-mails.
> > > > So I had to find it myself.....and here it is...
> > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60050-2002May22.html
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RE: keep up the great work!
Posted by JM <jm...@telocity.com>.
Oops....sorry.
JM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Husted [mailto:husted@apache.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:59 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: keep up the great work!
>
>
> I believe the best place to post general news items like this is the
> Jakarta General list.
>
> -Ted.
>
>
> JM wrote:
> >
> > Thought I would pass along the "news".
> >
> > JM
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: JM [mailto:jmitchtx@telocity.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:39 PM
> > > To: Tomcat Developers List
> > > Subject: RE: keep up the great work!
> > >
> > >
> > > I never believe news that people put in e-mails.
> > > So I had to find it myself.....and here it is...
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60050-2002May22.html
> > >
> > >
> > > I found this beauty also....
> > >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/2000-02/13/090r-021300-idx.html
> > >
> > > and this
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&co
> > > ntentId=A4
> > > 988-2002Apr6
> > >
> > >
> > > JM
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Takaoglu, Uzay [mailto:utakaoglu@syscom.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:03 AM
> > > > To: 'tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org'
> > > > Subject: keep up the great work!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Below is an article I got from Washington Post. Interesting
> > > > enough microsoft
> > > > is lobbying all the government agencies to quit using open source
> > > > S/W. Guess
> > > > what the government agencies said.
> > > >
> > > > Simply the translation is "f.. off" :).
> > > >
> > > > Keep up the great work people!
> > > >
> > > > Thank you all,
> > > >
> > > > Article is below:
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ----------
> > > > -
> > > > Microsoft Corp. is aggressively lobbying the Pentagon to squelch
> > > > its growing
> > > > use of freely distributed computer software and switch to
> proprietary
> > > > systems such as those sold by the software giant, according
> to officials
> > > > familiar with the campaign.
> > > >
> > > > In what one military source called a "barrage" of contacts
> > > with officials
> > > > at the Defense Information Systems Agency and the office of Defense
> > > > Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld over the past few months, the
> company said
> > > > "open source" software threatens security and its intellectual
> > > property.
> > > >
> > > > But the effort may have backfired. A May 10 report prepared for
> > > > the Defense
> > > > Department concluded that open source often results in more
> secure, less
> > > > expensive applications and that, if anything, its use should be
> > > expanded.
> > > >
> > > > "Banning open source would have immediate, broad, and
> strongly negative
> > > > impacts on the ability of many sensitive and security-focused DOD
> > > > groups to
> > > > protect themselves against cyberattacks," said the report, by
> > > Mitre Corp.
> > > >
> > > > A Microsoft Corp. spokesman acknowledged discussions between
> > > the company
> > > > and the Pentagon but denied urging a ban on open-source
> > > software. He also
> > > > said Microsoft did not focus on potential security flaws.
> > > >
> > > > Spokesman Jon Murchinson said Microsoft has been talking about
> > > > how to allow
> > > > open-source and proprietary software to coexist. "Our goal
> is to resolve
> > > > difficult issues that are driving a wedge between the
> > > commercial and free
> > > > software models," he said.
> > > >
> > > > John Stenbit, an assistant secretary of defense and the Defense
> > > > Department's chief information officer, said Microsoft has said
> > > using free
> > > > software with commercial software might violate the
> > > intellectual-property
> > > > rights of companies such as Microsoft. Stenbit said the
> issue is legally
> > > > "murky."
> > > >
> > > > The company also complained that the Pentagon is funding
> > > > research on making
> > > > free software more secure, which in effect subsidizes Microsoft's
> > > > open-source competitors, Stenbit said.
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft's push is a new front in a long-running company
> > > assault on the
> > > > open-source movement, which company officials have called
> "a cancer" and
> > > > un-American.
> > > >
> > > > Software is designated open source when its underlying
> computer code is
> > > > available for anyone to license, enhance or customize, often at
> > > > no cost. The
> > > > theory is that by putting source code in the public domain,
> programmers
> > > > worldwide can improve software by sharing one another's work.
> > > >
> > > > Vendors of the proprietary systems, such as Microsoft and
> Oracle Corp.,
> > > > keep their source codes secret, control changes to programs and
> > > > collect all
> > > > licensing fees for their use.
> > > >
> > > > Government agencies use a patchwork of systems and software, and
> > > > proprietary software is still the most widely used. But
> open source has
> > > > become more popular with businesses and government.
> > > >
> > > > The Mitre Corp. report said open-source software "plays a
> more critical
> > > > role in the DOD than has been generally recognized."
> > > >
> > > > The report identified 249 uses of open-source systems and tools,
> > > > including
> > > > running a Web portal for the Defense Intelligence Agency,
> > > running network
> > > > security for the Army command in Europe and support for
> > > numerous Air Force
> > > > Computer Network Defense tools.
> > > >
> > > > Among the most high-profile efforts is research funded by
> the National
> > > > Security Agency to develop a more secure version of the
> > > open-source Linux
> > > > operating system, which competes with Microsoft's Windows.
> > > >
> > > > The report said banning open-source software would drive up
> > > costs, though
> > > > it offered no specifics. Some government agencies have saved
> > > significantly
> > > > by using open source.
> > > >
> > > > At the Census Bureau, programmers used open-source software to
> > > launch a
> > > > Web site for obtaining federal statistics for $47,000,
> bureau officials
> > > > said. It would have cost $358,000 if proprietary software were
> > > used, they
> > > > said.
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft has argued that some free-licensing regimes are
> > > antithetical to
> > > > the government's stated policy that moneymaking applications
> > > > should develop
> > > > from government-funded research, and that intellectual property
> > > should be
> > > > protected.
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft also said open-source software is inherently less
> > > > secure because
> > > > the code is available for the world to examine for flaws, making
> > > > it possible
> > > > for hackers or criminals to exploit them. Proprietary software,
> > > > the company
> > > > argued, is more secure because of its closed nature.
> > > >
> > > > "I've never seen a systematic study that showed open
> source to be more
> > > > secure," said Dorothy Denning, a professor of computer science at
> > > > Georgetown
> > > > University who specializes in information warfare.
> > > >
> > > > Others argue that the flexibility provided by open-source
> software is
> > > > essential, enabling users to respond quickly to flaws that
> are found.
> > > >
> > > > "With open source, there is no need to wait for a large
> > > software firm to
> > > > decide if a set of changes is in its best interests," said Eugene
> > > > Spafford,
> > > > a computer-science professor at Purdue University who specializes in
> > > > security.
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan Shapiro, who teaches computer science at Johns Hopkins
> > > > University,
> > > > said: "There is data that when the customer can inspect the code
> > > > the vendor
> > > > is more responsive. . . . Microsoft is in a very weak position to
> > > > make this
> > > > argument. Whose software is the largest, most consistent source
> > > > of security
> > > > flaws? It's Microsoft."
> > > >
> > > > Stenbit said the debate is academic and that what matters is
> > > how secure a
> > > > given piece of software is. To that end, the Defense
> Department is now
> > > > prohibited from purchasing any software that has not
> undergone security
> > > > testing by the NSA. Stenbit said he is unaware of any
> > > open-source software
> > > > that has been tested.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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RE: keep up the great work!
Posted by JM <jm...@telocity.com>.
Oops....sorry.
JM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Husted [mailto:husted@apache.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:59 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: keep up the great work!
>
>
> I believe the best place to post general news items like this is the
> Jakarta General list.
>
> -Ted.
>
>
> JM wrote:
> >
> > Thought I would pass along the "news".
> >
> > JM
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: JM [mailto:jmitchtx@telocity.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:39 PM
> > > To: Tomcat Developers List
> > > Subject: RE: keep up the great work!
> > >
> > >
> > > I never believe news that people put in e-mails.
> > > So I had to find it myself.....and here it is...
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60050-2002May22.html
> > >
> > >
> > > I found this beauty also....
> > >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/2000-02/13/090r-021300-idx.html
> > >
> > > and this
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&co
> > > ntentId=A4
> > > 988-2002Apr6
> > >
> > >
> > > JM
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Takaoglu, Uzay [mailto:utakaoglu@syscom.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:03 AM
> > > > To: 'tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org'
> > > > Subject: keep up the great work!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Below is an article I got from Washington Post. Interesting
> > > > enough microsoft
> > > > is lobbying all the government agencies to quit using open source
> > > > S/W. Guess
> > > > what the government agencies said.
> > > >
> > > > Simply the translation is "f.. off" :).
> > > >
> > > > Keep up the great work people!
> > > >
> > > > Thank you all,
> > > >
> > > > Article is below:
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ----------
> > > > -
> > > > Microsoft Corp. is aggressively lobbying the Pentagon to squelch
> > > > its growing
> > > > use of freely distributed computer software and switch to
> proprietary
> > > > systems such as those sold by the software giant, according
> to officials
> > > > familiar with the campaign.
> > > >
> > > > In what one military source called a "barrage" of contacts
> > > with officials
> > > > at the Defense Information Systems Agency and the office of Defense
> > > > Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld over the past few months, the
> company said
> > > > "open source" software threatens security and its intellectual
> > > property.
> > > >
> > > > But the effort may have backfired. A May 10 report prepared for
> > > > the Defense
> > > > Department concluded that open source often results in more
> secure, less
> > > > expensive applications and that, if anything, its use should be
> > > expanded.
> > > >
> > > > "Banning open source would have immediate, broad, and
> strongly negative
> > > > impacts on the ability of many sensitive and security-focused DOD
> > > > groups to
> > > > protect themselves against cyberattacks," said the report, by
> > > Mitre Corp.
> > > >
> > > > A Microsoft Corp. spokesman acknowledged discussions between
> > > the company
> > > > and the Pentagon but denied urging a ban on open-source
> > > software. He also
> > > > said Microsoft did not focus on potential security flaws.
> > > >
> > > > Spokesman Jon Murchinson said Microsoft has been talking about
> > > > how to allow
> > > > open-source and proprietary software to coexist. "Our goal
> is to resolve
> > > > difficult issues that are driving a wedge between the
> > > commercial and free
> > > > software models," he said.
> > > >
> > > > John Stenbit, an assistant secretary of defense and the Defense
> > > > Department's chief information officer, said Microsoft has said
> > > using free
> > > > software with commercial software might violate the
> > > intellectual-property
> > > > rights of companies such as Microsoft. Stenbit said the
> issue is legally
> > > > "murky."
> > > >
> > > > The company also complained that the Pentagon is funding
> > > > research on making
> > > > free software more secure, which in effect subsidizes Microsoft's
> > > > open-source competitors, Stenbit said.
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft's push is a new front in a long-running company
> > > assault on the
> > > > open-source movement, which company officials have called
> "a cancer" and
> > > > un-American.
> > > >
> > > > Software is designated open source when its underlying
> computer code is
> > > > available for anyone to license, enhance or customize, often at
> > > > no cost. The
> > > > theory is that by putting source code in the public domain,
> programmers
> > > > worldwide can improve software by sharing one another's work.
> > > >
> > > > Vendors of the proprietary systems, such as Microsoft and
> Oracle Corp.,
> > > > keep their source codes secret, control changes to programs and
> > > > collect all
> > > > licensing fees for their use.
> > > >
> > > > Government agencies use a patchwork of systems and software, and
> > > > proprietary software is still the most widely used. But
> open source has
> > > > become more popular with businesses and government.
> > > >
> > > > The Mitre Corp. report said open-source software "plays a
> more critical
> > > > role in the DOD than has been generally recognized."
> > > >
> > > > The report identified 249 uses of open-source systems and tools,
> > > > including
> > > > running a Web portal for the Defense Intelligence Agency,
> > > running network
> > > > security for the Army command in Europe and support for
> > > numerous Air Force
> > > > Computer Network Defense tools.
> > > >
> > > > Among the most high-profile efforts is research funded by
> the National
> > > > Security Agency to develop a more secure version of the
> > > open-source Linux
> > > > operating system, which competes with Microsoft's Windows.
> > > >
> > > > The report said banning open-source software would drive up
> > > costs, though
> > > > it offered no specifics. Some government agencies have saved
> > > significantly
> > > > by using open source.
> > > >
> > > > At the Census Bureau, programmers used open-source software to
> > > launch a
> > > > Web site for obtaining federal statistics for $47,000,
> bureau officials
> > > > said. It would have cost $358,000 if proprietary software were
> > > used, they
> > > > said.
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft has argued that some free-licensing regimes are
> > > antithetical to
> > > > the government's stated policy that moneymaking applications
> > > > should develop
> > > > from government-funded research, and that intellectual property
> > > should be
> > > > protected.
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft also said open-source software is inherently less
> > > > secure because
> > > > the code is available for the world to examine for flaws, making
> > > > it possible
> > > > for hackers or criminals to exploit them. Proprietary software,
> > > > the company
> > > > argued, is more secure because of its closed nature.
> > > >
> > > > "I've never seen a systematic study that showed open
> source to be more
> > > > secure," said Dorothy Denning, a professor of computer science at
> > > > Georgetown
> > > > University who specializes in information warfare.
> > > >
> > > > Others argue that the flexibility provided by open-source
> software is
> > > > essential, enabling users to respond quickly to flaws that
> are found.
> > > >
> > > > "With open source, there is no need to wait for a large
> > > software firm to
> > > > decide if a set of changes is in its best interests," said Eugene
> > > > Spafford,
> > > > a computer-science professor at Purdue University who specializes in
> > > > security.
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan Shapiro, who teaches computer science at Johns Hopkins
> > > > University,
> > > > said: "There is data that when the customer can inspect the code
> > > > the vendor
> > > > is more responsive. . . . Microsoft is in a very weak position to
> > > > make this
> > > > argument. Whose software is the largest, most consistent source
> > > > of security
> > > > flaws? It's Microsoft."
> > > >
> > > > Stenbit said the debate is academic and that what matters is
> > > how secure a
> > > > given piece of software is. To that end, the Defense
> Department is now
> > > > prohibited from purchasing any software that has not
> undergone security
> > > > testing by the NSA. Stenbit said he is unaware of any
> > > open-source software
> > > > that has been tested.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: keep up the great work!
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
I believe the best place to post general news items like this is the
Jakarta General list.
-Ted.
JM wrote:
>
> Thought I would pass along the "news".
>
> JM
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JM [mailto:jmitchtx@telocity.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:39 PM
> > To: Tomcat Developers List
> > Subject: RE: keep up the great work!
> >
> >
> > I never believe news that people put in e-mails.
> > So I had to find it myself.....and here it is...
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60050-2002May22.html
> >
> >
> > I found this beauty also....
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/2000-02/13/090r-021300-idx.html
> >
> > and this
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&co
> > ntentId=A4
> > 988-2002Apr6
> >
> >
> > JM
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Takaoglu, Uzay [mailto:utakaoglu@syscom.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:03 AM
> > > To: 'tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org'
> > > Subject: keep up the great work!
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Below is an article I got from Washington Post. Interesting
> > > enough microsoft
> > > is lobbying all the government agencies to quit using open source
> > > S/W. Guess
> > > what the government agencies said.
> > >
> > > Simply the translation is "f.. off" :).
> > >
> > > Keep up the great work people!
> > >
> > > Thank you all,
> > >
> > > Article is below:
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ----------
> > > -
> > > Microsoft Corp. is aggressively lobbying the Pentagon to squelch
> > > its growing
> > > use of freely distributed computer software and switch to proprietary
> > > systems such as those sold by the software giant, according to officials
> > > familiar with the campaign.
> > >
> > > In what one military source called a "barrage" of contacts
> > with officials
> > > at the Defense Information Systems Agency and the office of Defense
> > > Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld over the past few months, the company said
> > > "open source" software threatens security and its intellectual
> > property.
> > >
> > > But the effort may have backfired. A May 10 report prepared for
> > > the Defense
> > > Department concluded that open source often results in more secure, less
> > > expensive applications and that, if anything, its use should be
> > expanded.
> > >
> > > "Banning open source would have immediate, broad, and strongly negative
> > > impacts on the ability of many sensitive and security-focused DOD
> > > groups to
> > > protect themselves against cyberattacks," said the report, by
> > Mitre Corp.
> > >
> > > A Microsoft Corp. spokesman acknowledged discussions between
> > the company
> > > and the Pentagon but denied urging a ban on open-source
> > software. He also
> > > said Microsoft did not focus on potential security flaws.
> > >
> > > Spokesman Jon Murchinson said Microsoft has been talking about
> > > how to allow
> > > open-source and proprietary software to coexist. "Our goal is to resolve
> > > difficult issues that are driving a wedge between the
> > commercial and free
> > > software models," he said.
> > >
> > > John Stenbit, an assistant secretary of defense and the Defense
> > > Department's chief information officer, said Microsoft has said
> > using free
> > > software with commercial software might violate the
> > intellectual-property
> > > rights of companies such as Microsoft. Stenbit said the issue is legally
> > > "murky."
> > >
> > > The company also complained that the Pentagon is funding
> > > research on making
> > > free software more secure, which in effect subsidizes Microsoft's
> > > open-source competitors, Stenbit said.
> > >
> > > Microsoft's push is a new front in a long-running company
> > assault on the
> > > open-source movement, which company officials have called "a cancer" and
> > > un-American.
> > >
> > > Software is designated open source when its underlying computer code is
> > > available for anyone to license, enhance or customize, often at
> > > no cost. The
> > > theory is that by putting source code in the public domain, programmers
> > > worldwide can improve software by sharing one another's work.
> > >
> > > Vendors of the proprietary systems, such as Microsoft and Oracle Corp.,
> > > keep their source codes secret, control changes to programs and
> > > collect all
> > > licensing fees for their use.
> > >
> > > Government agencies use a patchwork of systems and software, and
> > > proprietary software is still the most widely used. But open source has
> > > become more popular with businesses and government.
> > >
> > > The Mitre Corp. report said open-source software "plays a more critical
> > > role in the DOD than has been generally recognized."
> > >
> > > The report identified 249 uses of open-source systems and tools,
> > > including
> > > running a Web portal for the Defense Intelligence Agency,
> > running network
> > > security for the Army command in Europe and support for
> > numerous Air Force
> > > Computer Network Defense tools.
> > >
> > > Among the most high-profile efforts is research funded by the National
> > > Security Agency to develop a more secure version of the
> > open-source Linux
> > > operating system, which competes with Microsoft's Windows.
> > >
> > > The report said banning open-source software would drive up
> > costs, though
> > > it offered no specifics. Some government agencies have saved
> > significantly
> > > by using open source.
> > >
> > > At the Census Bureau, programmers used open-source software to
> > launch a
> > > Web site for obtaining federal statistics for $47,000, bureau officials
> > > said. It would have cost $358,000 if proprietary software were
> > used, they
> > > said.
> > >
> > > Microsoft has argued that some free-licensing regimes are
> > antithetical to
> > > the government's stated policy that moneymaking applications
> > > should develop
> > > from government-funded research, and that intellectual property
> > should be
> > > protected.
> > >
> > > Microsoft also said open-source software is inherently less
> > > secure because
> > > the code is available for the world to examine for flaws, making
> > > it possible
> > > for hackers or criminals to exploit them. Proprietary software,
> > > the company
> > > argued, is more secure because of its closed nature.
> > >
> > > "I've never seen a systematic study that showed open source to be more
> > > secure," said Dorothy Denning, a professor of computer science at
> > > Georgetown
> > > University who specializes in information warfare.
> > >
> > > Others argue that the flexibility provided by open-source software is
> > > essential, enabling users to respond quickly to flaws that are found.
> > >
> > > "With open source, there is no need to wait for a large
> > software firm to
> > > decide if a set of changes is in its best interests," said Eugene
> > > Spafford,
> > > a computer-science professor at Purdue University who specializes in
> > > security.
> > >
> > > Jonathan Shapiro, who teaches computer science at Johns Hopkins
> > > University,
> > > said: "There is data that when the customer can inspect the code
> > > the vendor
> > > is more responsive. . . . Microsoft is in a very weak position to
> > > make this
> > > argument. Whose software is the largest, most consistent source
> > > of security
> > > flaws? It's Microsoft."
> > >
> > > Stenbit said the debate is academic and that what matters is
> > how secure a
> > > given piece of software is. To that end, the Defense Department is now
> > > prohibited from purchasing any software that has not undergone security
> > > testing by the NSA. Stenbit said he is unaware of any
> > open-source software
> > > that has been tested.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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RE: keep up the great work!
Posted by JM <jm...@telocity.com>.
Thought I would pass along the "news".
JM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JM [mailto:jmitchtx@telocity.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:39 PM
> To: Tomcat Developers List
> Subject: RE: keep up the great work!
>
>
> I never believe news that people put in e-mails.
> So I had to find it myself.....and here it is...
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60050-2002May22.html
>
>
> I found this beauty also....
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/2000-02/13/090r-021300-idx.html
>
> and this
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&co
> ntentId=A4
> 988-2002Apr6
>
>
> JM
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Takaoglu, Uzay [mailto:utakaoglu@syscom.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:03 AM
> > To: 'tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org'
> > Subject: keep up the great work!
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Below is an article I got from Washington Post. Interesting
> > enough microsoft
> > is lobbying all the government agencies to quit using open source
> > S/W. Guess
> > what the government agencies said.
> >
> > Simply the translation is "f.. off" :).
> >
> > Keep up the great work people!
> >
> > Thank you all,
> >
> > Article is below:
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------
> > -
> > Microsoft Corp. is aggressively lobbying the Pentagon to squelch
> > its growing
> > use of freely distributed computer software and switch to proprietary
> > systems such as those sold by the software giant, according to officials
> > familiar with the campaign.
> >
> > In what one military source called a "barrage" of contacts
> with officials
> > at the Defense Information Systems Agency and the office of Defense
> > Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld over the past few months, the company said
> > "open source" software threatens security and its intellectual
> property.
> >
> > But the effort may have backfired. A May 10 report prepared for
> > the Defense
> > Department concluded that open source often results in more secure, less
> > expensive applications and that, if anything, its use should be
> expanded.
> >
> > "Banning open source would have immediate, broad, and strongly negative
> > impacts on the ability of many sensitive and security-focused DOD
> > groups to
> > protect themselves against cyberattacks," said the report, by
> Mitre Corp.
> >
> > A Microsoft Corp. spokesman acknowledged discussions between
> the company
> > and the Pentagon but denied urging a ban on open-source
> software. He also
> > said Microsoft did not focus on potential security flaws.
> >
> > Spokesman Jon Murchinson said Microsoft has been talking about
> > how to allow
> > open-source and proprietary software to coexist. "Our goal is to resolve
> > difficult issues that are driving a wedge between the
> commercial and free
> > software models," he said.
> >
> > John Stenbit, an assistant secretary of defense and the Defense
> > Department's chief information officer, said Microsoft has said
> using free
> > software with commercial software might violate the
> intellectual-property
> > rights of companies such as Microsoft. Stenbit said the issue is legally
> > "murky."
> >
> > The company also complained that the Pentagon is funding
> > research on making
> > free software more secure, which in effect subsidizes Microsoft's
> > open-source competitors, Stenbit said.
> >
> > Microsoft's push is a new front in a long-running company
> assault on the
> > open-source movement, which company officials have called "a cancer" and
> > un-American.
> >
> > Software is designated open source when its underlying computer code is
> > available for anyone to license, enhance or customize, often at
> > no cost. The
> > theory is that by putting source code in the public domain, programmers
> > worldwide can improve software by sharing one another's work.
> >
> > Vendors of the proprietary systems, such as Microsoft and Oracle Corp.,
> > keep their source codes secret, control changes to programs and
> > collect all
> > licensing fees for their use.
> >
> > Government agencies use a patchwork of systems and software, and
> > proprietary software is still the most widely used. But open source has
> > become more popular with businesses and government.
> >
> > The Mitre Corp. report said open-source software "plays a more critical
> > role in the DOD than has been generally recognized."
> >
> > The report identified 249 uses of open-source systems and tools,
> > including
> > running a Web portal for the Defense Intelligence Agency,
> running network
> > security for the Army command in Europe and support for
> numerous Air Force
> > Computer Network Defense tools.
> >
> > Among the most high-profile efforts is research funded by the National
> > Security Agency to develop a more secure version of the
> open-source Linux
> > operating system, which competes with Microsoft's Windows.
> >
> > The report said banning open-source software would drive up
> costs, though
> > it offered no specifics. Some government agencies have saved
> significantly
> > by using open source.
> >
> > At the Census Bureau, programmers used open-source software to
> launch a
> > Web site for obtaining federal statistics for $47,000, bureau officials
> > said. It would have cost $358,000 if proprietary software were
> used, they
> > said.
> >
> > Microsoft has argued that some free-licensing regimes are
> antithetical to
> > the government's stated policy that moneymaking applications
> > should develop
> > from government-funded research, and that intellectual property
> should be
> > protected.
> >
> > Microsoft also said open-source software is inherently less
> > secure because
> > the code is available for the world to examine for flaws, making
> > it possible
> > for hackers or criminals to exploit them. Proprietary software,
> > the company
> > argued, is more secure because of its closed nature.
> >
> > "I've never seen a systematic study that showed open source to be more
> > secure," said Dorothy Denning, a professor of computer science at
> > Georgetown
> > University who specializes in information warfare.
> >
> > Others argue that the flexibility provided by open-source software is
> > essential, enabling users to respond quickly to flaws that are found.
> >
> > "With open source, there is no need to wait for a large
> software firm to
> > decide if a set of changes is in its best interests," said Eugene
> > Spafford,
> > a computer-science professor at Purdue University who specializes in
> > security.
> >
> > Jonathan Shapiro, who teaches computer science at Johns Hopkins
> > University,
> > said: "There is data that when the customer can inspect the code
> > the vendor
> > is more responsive. . . . Microsoft is in a very weak position to
> > make this
> > argument. Whose software is the largest, most consistent source
> > of security
> > flaws? It's Microsoft."
> >
> > Stenbit said the debate is academic and that what matters is
> how secure a
> > given piece of software is. To that end, the Defense Department is now
> > prohibited from purchasing any software that has not undergone security
> > testing by the NSA. Stenbit said he is unaware of any
> open-source software
> > that has been tested.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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RE: keep up the great work!
Posted by JM <jm...@telocity.com>.
I never believe news that people put in e-mails.
So I had to find it myself.....and here it is...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60050-2002May22.html
I found this beauty also....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/2000-02/13/090r-021300-idx.html
and this
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A4
988-2002Apr6
JM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Takaoglu, Uzay [mailto:utakaoglu@syscom.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:03 AM
> To: 'tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org'
> Subject: keep up the great work!
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Below is an article I got from Washington Post. Interesting
> enough microsoft
> is lobbying all the government agencies to quit using open source
> S/W. Guess
> what the government agencies said.
>
> Simply the translation is "f.. off" :).
>
> Keep up the great work people!
>
> Thank you all,
>
> Article is below:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> -
> Microsoft Corp. is aggressively lobbying the Pentagon to squelch
> its growing
> use of freely distributed computer software and switch to proprietary
> systems such as those sold by the software giant, according to officials
> familiar with the campaign.
>
> In what one military source called a "barrage" of contacts with officials
> at the Defense Information Systems Agency and the office of Defense
> Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld over the past few months, the company said
> "open source" software threatens security and its intellectual property.
>
> But the effort may have backfired. A May 10 report prepared for
> the Defense
> Department concluded that open source often results in more secure, less
> expensive applications and that, if anything, its use should be expanded.
>
> "Banning open source would have immediate, broad, and strongly negative
> impacts on the ability of many sensitive and security-focused DOD
> groups to
> protect themselves against cyberattacks," said the report, by Mitre Corp.
>
> A Microsoft Corp. spokesman acknowledged discussions between the company
> and the Pentagon but denied urging a ban on open-source software. He also
> said Microsoft did not focus on potential security flaws.
>
> Spokesman Jon Murchinson said Microsoft has been talking about
> how to allow
> open-source and proprietary software to coexist. "Our goal is to resolve
> difficult issues that are driving a wedge between the commercial and free
> software models," he said.
>
> John Stenbit, an assistant secretary of defense and the Defense
> Department's chief information officer, said Microsoft has said using free
> software with commercial software might violate the intellectual-property
> rights of companies such as Microsoft. Stenbit said the issue is legally
> "murky."
>
> The company also complained that the Pentagon is funding
> research on making
> free software more secure, which in effect subsidizes Microsoft's
> open-source competitors, Stenbit said.
>
> Microsoft's push is a new front in a long-running company assault on the
> open-source movement, which company officials have called "a cancer" and
> un-American.
>
> Software is designated open source when its underlying computer code is
> available for anyone to license, enhance or customize, often at
> no cost. The
> theory is that by putting source code in the public domain, programmers
> worldwide can improve software by sharing one another's work.
>
> Vendors of the proprietary systems, such as Microsoft and Oracle Corp.,
> keep their source codes secret, control changes to programs and
> collect all
> licensing fees for their use.
>
> Government agencies use a patchwork of systems and software, and
> proprietary software is still the most widely used. But open source has
> become more popular with businesses and government.
>
> The Mitre Corp. report said open-source software "plays a more critical
> role in the DOD than has been generally recognized."
>
> The report identified 249 uses of open-source systems and tools,
> including
> running a Web portal for the Defense Intelligence Agency, running network
> security for the Army command in Europe and support for numerous Air Force
> Computer Network Defense tools.
>
> Among the most high-profile efforts is research funded by the National
> Security Agency to develop a more secure version of the open-source Linux
> operating system, which competes with Microsoft's Windows.
>
> The report said banning open-source software would drive up costs, though
> it offered no specifics. Some government agencies have saved significantly
> by using open source.
>
> At the Census Bureau, programmers used open-source software to launch a
> Web site for obtaining federal statistics for $47,000, bureau officials
> said. It would have cost $358,000 if proprietary software were used, they
> said.
>
> Microsoft has argued that some free-licensing regimes are antithetical to
> the government's stated policy that moneymaking applications
> should develop
> from government-funded research, and that intellectual property should be
> protected.
>
> Microsoft also said open-source software is inherently less
> secure because
> the code is available for the world to examine for flaws, making
> it possible
> for hackers or criminals to exploit them. Proprietary software,
> the company
> argued, is more secure because of its closed nature.
>
> "I've never seen a systematic study that showed open source to be more
> secure," said Dorothy Denning, a professor of computer science at
> Georgetown
> University who specializes in information warfare.
>
> Others argue that the flexibility provided by open-source software is
> essential, enabling users to respond quickly to flaws that are found.
>
> "With open source, there is no need to wait for a large software firm to
> decide if a set of changes is in its best interests," said Eugene
> Spafford,
> a computer-science professor at Purdue University who specializes in
> security.
>
> Jonathan Shapiro, who teaches computer science at Johns Hopkins
> University,
> said: "There is data that when the customer can inspect the code
> the vendor
> is more responsive. . . . Microsoft is in a very weak position to
> make this
> argument. Whose software is the largest, most consistent source
> of security
> flaws? It's Microsoft."
>
> Stenbit said the debate is academic and that what matters is how secure a
> given piece of software is. To that end, the Defense Department is now
> prohibited from purchasing any software that has not undergone security
> testing by the NSA. Stenbit said he is unaware of any open-source software
> that has been tested.
>
>
>
>
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