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Posted to users@jena.apache.org by Martynas Jusevičius <ma...@graphity.org> on 2016/06/08 14:22:09 UTC
Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Hey,
would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)? What
would that take?
I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
something like this:
<rdf:Description rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
<foaf:givenName
rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">Tim</foaf:givenName>
<foaf:familyName
rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf"">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
</rdf:Description>
What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for XSLT
transformation.
Martynas
atomgraph.com
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by Alexandra Kokkinaki <al...@gmail.com>.
Andy thanks, I have been thinking over your idea and I think it is
brilliant.
Instead of using the graphs, I will reify my mappings using one URL per
mapping resolving to the reified statement and the provenance information.
Many thanks
Alexandra
P.S. If you are interested, I can post the example RDF as well.
On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 14/06/18 13:02, Alexandra Kokkinaki wrote:
>
>> Thanks all for your prompt responses,
>>
>> TriX does exactly what I would like to do, but Martynas suggestion is what
>> I ideally need.
>> I will describe what we have to do, and any suggestions or ideas are more
>> than welcome:
>>
>> We currently host 250 vocabularies with more than 60.000 terms used by
>> many
>> users all over the world. (so we have to cater for backwards
>> compatibility,
>> as many software apps are based on our vocabularies).
>> The vocabularies are exposed as Linked Data, via sparql endpoint (Jena
>> Fuseki) and REST interface (RDF/XML sadly no other serialization) using
>> mostly SKOS.
>> Users asked more information about the provenance of term mappings
>> (triples) and this is where the named graph comes in.
>> How do I display the provenance information in RDF/XML?
>>
>
> One thought - publish the provenance in a separate graph to the
> vocabularies. The provenance graph can refer to the other graphs.
>
> If it is the provenance of specific triples within graphs may come down to
> using reification. Quads/named graphs can be used (the whole vocabulary
> being the union of the named graphs and the named graphs being the
> fragments from different sources.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Alexandra
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 10:37 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Alexandra,
>>>
>>> I was wondering what use such a format would have for you - if it is a
>>> non-standard format, no-one else can read it. There are non-XML formats
>>> that capture named graphs that are standard - JSON-LD, TriG, and N-Quads.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13/06/18 13:38, Alexandra Kokkinaki wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> I also want to use named graphs to capture provenance information on
>>>> triples but in RDF/XML serialization.
>>>> Iam replying Martynas email, as he first asked for that, wondering if
>>>> anything happened since then, and I haven't found it?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks
>>>> Alexandra
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Martynas Jusevičius <
>>>> martynas@atomgraph.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I found the "abandoned" discussion on RDF 1.1 WG wiki:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-RDF-XML#Change_8:_
>>>>> named_graph_support_in_RDF-XML
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Martynas Jusevičius
>>>>> <ma...@atomgraph.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems that someone has thought about this before:
>>>>>> https://www.w3.org/Submission/rdfsource/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TriX is just not a natural structure for XSLT transformations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/06/16 14:47, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good points. Yes TriG-like structure makes more sense -- but then it
>>>>>>>> is clearly non-standard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a good thing - no risk of wrong data or missing data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using an attribute, rdfx:graph - won't it be a property if it is not
>>>>>>> understood as additional syntax attribute?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isn't this a gap in RDF standardization -- an XML format for quads?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IIRC When it came down to it, no one was interested in spending time
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There are (probably) some notes in the RDF 1.1 WG wiki.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TriX is a de facto standard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/06/16 15:22, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> would that take?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
>>>>>>>>>> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
>>>>>>>>>> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
>>>>>>>>>> something like this:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <rdf:Description
>>>>>>>>>> rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
>>>>>>>>>> <foaf:givenName
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tim</foaf:givenName>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> <foaf:familyName
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> </rdf:Description>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And if a triple is in 2 graphs? The default graph?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
>>>>>>>>>> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> XSLT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> transformation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Martynas
>>>>>>>>>> atomgraph.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An alternative is more TriG like :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <rdfx:Graph rdfx:name="...">
>>>>>>>>> .... RDF/XML here ...
>>>>>>>>> </rdfx:Graph>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
On 14/06/18 13:02, Alexandra Kokkinaki wrote:
> Thanks all for your prompt responses,
>
> TriX does exactly what I would like to do, but Martynas suggestion is what
> I ideally need.
> I will describe what we have to do, and any suggestions or ideas are more
> than welcome:
>
> We currently host 250 vocabularies with more than 60.000 terms used by many
> users all over the world. (so we have to cater for backwards compatibility,
> as many software apps are based on our vocabularies).
> The vocabularies are exposed as Linked Data, via sparql endpoint (Jena
> Fuseki) and REST interface (RDF/XML sadly no other serialization) using
> mostly SKOS.
> Users asked more information about the provenance of term mappings
> (triples) and this is where the named graph comes in.
> How do I display the provenance information in RDF/XML?
One thought - publish the provenance in a separate graph to the
vocabularies. The provenance graph can refer to the other graphs.
If it is the provenance of specific triples within graphs may come down
to using reification. Quads/named graphs can be used (the whole
vocabulary being the union of the named graphs and the named graphs
being the fragments from different sources.
Andy
>
>
> Many thanks,
> Alexandra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 10:37 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Alexandra,
>>
>> I was wondering what use such a format would have for you - if it is a
>> non-standard format, no-one else can read it. There are non-XML formats
>> that capture named graphs that are standard - JSON-LD, TriG, and N-Quads.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On 13/06/18 13:38, Alexandra Kokkinaki wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I also want to use named graphs to capture provenance information on
>>> triples but in RDF/XML serialization.
>>> Iam replying Martynas email, as he first asked for that, wondering if
>>> anything happened since then, and I haven't found it?
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>> Alexandra
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Martynas Jusevičius <
>>> martynas@atomgraph.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I found the "abandoned" discussion on RDF 1.1 WG wiki:
>>>> https://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-RDF-XML#Change_8:_
>>>> named_graph_support_in_RDF-XML
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Martynas Jusevičius
>>>> <ma...@atomgraph.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It seems that someone has thought about this before:
>>>>> https://www.w3.org/Submission/rdfsource/
>>>>>
>>>>> TriX is just not a natural structure for XSLT transformations.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/06/16 14:47, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good points. Yes TriG-like structure makes more sense -- but then it
>>>>>>> is clearly non-standard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a good thing - no risk of wrong data or missing data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using an attribute, rdfx:graph - won't it be a property if it is not
>>>>>> understood as additional syntax attribute?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isn't this a gap in RDF standardization -- an XML format for quads?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IIRC When it came down to it, no one was interested in spending time on
>>>>>>
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There are (probably) some notes in the RDF 1.1 WG wiki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TriX is a de facto standard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/06/16 15:22, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What
>>>>
>>>>> would that take?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
>>>>>>>>> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
>>>>>>>>> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
>>>>>>>>> something like this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <rdf:Description
>>>>>>>>> rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
>>>>>>>>> <foaf:givenName
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tim</foaf:givenName>
>>>>
>>>>> <foaf:familyName
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
>>>>
>>>>> </rdf:Description>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And if a triple is in 2 graphs? The default graph?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
>>>>>>>>> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> XSLT
>>>>
>>>>> transformation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Martynas
>>>>>>>>> atomgraph.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An alternative is more TriG like :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <rdfx:Graph rdfx:name="...">
>>>>>>>> .... RDF/XML here ...
>>>>>>>> </rdfx:Graph>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by Alexandra Kokkinaki <al...@gmail.com>.
Thanks all for your prompt responses,
TriX does exactly what I would like to do, but Martynas suggestion is what
I ideally need.
I will describe what we have to do, and any suggestions or ideas are more
than welcome:
We currently host 250 vocabularies with more than 60.000 terms used by many
users all over the world. (so we have to cater for backwards compatibility,
as many software apps are based on our vocabularies).
The vocabularies are exposed as Linked Data, via sparql endpoint (Jena
Fuseki) and REST interface (RDF/XML sadly no other serialization) using
mostly SKOS.
Users asked more information about the provenance of term mappings
(triples) and this is where the named graph comes in.
How do I display the provenance information in RDF/XML?
Many thanks,
Alexandra
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 10:37 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> Alexandra,
>
> I was wondering what use such a format would have for you - if it is a
> non-standard format, no-one else can read it. There are non-XML formats
> that capture named graphs that are standard - JSON-LD, TriG, and N-Quads.
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 13/06/18 13:38, Alexandra Kokkinaki wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I also want to use named graphs to capture provenance information on
>> triples but in RDF/XML serialization.
>> Iam replying Martynas email, as he first asked for that, wondering if
>> anything happened since then, and I haven't found it?
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Alexandra
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Martynas Jusevičius <
>> martynas@atomgraph.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I found the "abandoned" discussion on RDF 1.1 WG wiki:
>>> https://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-RDF-XML#Change_8:_
>>> named_graph_support_in_RDF-XML
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Martynas Jusevičius
>>> <ma...@atomgraph.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It seems that someone has thought about this before:
>>>> https://www.w3.org/Submission/rdfsource/
>>>>
>>>> TriX is just not a natural structure for XSLT transformations.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/06/16 14:47, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good points. Yes TriG-like structure makes more sense -- but then it
>>>>>> is clearly non-standard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a good thing - no risk of wrong data or missing data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Using an attribute, rdfx:graph - won't it be a property if it is not
>>>>> understood as additional syntax attribute?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't this a gap in RDF standardization -- an XML format for quads?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IIRC When it came down to it, no one was interested in spending time on
>>>>>
>>>> it.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There are (probably) some notes in the RDF 1.1 WG wiki.
>>>>>
>>>>> TriX is a de facto standard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/06/16 15:22, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What
>>>
>>>> would that take?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
>>>>>>>> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
>>>>>>>> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
>>>>>>>> something like this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <rdf:Description
>>>>>>>> rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
>>>>>>>> <foaf:givenName
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim</foaf:givenName>
>>>
>>>> <foaf:familyName
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
>>>
>>>> </rdf:Description>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And if a triple is in 2 graphs? The default graph?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
>>>>>>>> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> XSLT
>>>
>>>> transformation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Martynas
>>>>>>>> atomgraph.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An alternative is more TriG like :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <rdfx:Graph rdfx:name="...">
>>>>>>> .... RDF/XML here ...
>>>>>>> </rdfx:Graph>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
Alexandra,
I was wondering what use such a format would have for you - if it is a
non-standard format, no-one else can read it. There are non-XML formats
that capture named graphs that are standard - JSON-LD, TriG, and N-Quads.
Andy
On 13/06/18 13:38, Alexandra Kokkinaki wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I also want to use named graphs to capture provenance information on
> triples but in RDF/XML serialization.
> Iam replying Martynas email, as he first asked for that, wondering if
> anything happened since then, and I haven't found it?
>
> Many thanks
> Alexandra
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Martynas Jusevičius <ma...@atomgraph.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I found the "abandoned" discussion on RDF 1.1 WG wiki:
>> https://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-RDF-XML#Change_8:_
>> named_graph_support_in_RDF-XML
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Martynas Jusevičius
>> <ma...@atomgraph.com> wrote:
>>> It seems that someone has thought about this before:
>>> https://www.w3.org/Submission/rdfsource/
>>>
>>> TriX is just not a natural structure for XSLT transformations.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/06/16 14:47, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Good points. Yes TriG-like structure makes more sense -- but then it
>>>>> is clearly non-standard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a good thing - no risk of wrong data or missing data.
>>>>
>>>> Using an attribute, rdfx:graph - won't it be a property if it is not
>>>> understood as additional syntax attribute?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't this a gap in RDF standardization -- an XML format for quads?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IIRC When it came down to it, no one was interested in spending time on
>> it.
>>>>
>>>> There are (probably) some notes in the RDF 1.1 WG wiki.
>>>>
>>>> TriX is a de facto standard.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/06/16 15:22, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)?
>> What
>>>>>>> would that take?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
>>>>>>> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
>>>>>>> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
>>>>>>> something like this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <rdf:Description
>>>>>>> rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
>>>>>>> <foaf:givenName
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">
>> Tim</foaf:givenName>
>>>>>>> <foaf:familyName
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf
>> "">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
>>>>>>> </rdf:Description>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if a triple is in 2 graphs? The default graph?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
>>>>>>> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for
>> XSLT
>>>>>>> transformation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Martynas
>>>>>>> atomgraph.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An alternative is more TriG like :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <rdfx:Graph rdfx:name="...">
>>>>>> .... RDF/XML here ...
>>>>>> </rdfx:Graph>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by Martynas Jusevičius <ma...@atomgraph.com>.
TriX is of course better than nothing, but it's not really an adequate
replacement as its triple/quad based and not resource (/graph - which is
currently missing) based as RDF/XML.
There is a RAX Community Group at W3C that aimed to address the RDF and XML
intersection, but it hasn't produced much beyond the following document. My
arguments on why RDF/XML with graph support would be useful:
https://www.w3.org/community/rax/wiki/Draft_Material#XML_formats_for_RDF_datasets_.28quads.29
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 9:41 PM, ajs6f <aj...@apache.org> wrote:
> Jena can currently produce TriX:
>
> https://jena.apache.org/documentation/io/rdf-output.html#rdfformat
> http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/2004/HPL-2004-56.pdf
>
> which is not a W3C spec, but does indeed encode named graphs. Does that
> meet your needs?
>
> ajs6f
>
> > On Jun 13, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Alexandra Kokkinaki <
> alexandra.kokkinaki@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I also want to use named graphs to capture provenance information on
> > triples but in RDF/XML serialization.
> > Iam replying Martynas email, as he first asked for that, wondering if
> > anything happened since then, and I haven't found it?
> >
> > Many thanks
> > Alexandra
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Martynas Jusevičius <
> martynas@atomgraph.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I found the "abandoned" discussion on RDF 1.1 WG wiki:
> >> https://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-RDF-XML#Change_8:_
> >> named_graph_support_in_RDF-XML
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Martynas Jusevičius
> >> <ma...@atomgraph.com> wrote:
> >>> It seems that someone has thought about this before:
> >>> https://www.w3.org/Submission/rdfsource/
> >>>
> >>> TriX is just not a natural structure for XSLT transformations.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 09/06/16 14:47, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good points. Yes TriG-like structure makes more sense -- but then it
> >>>>> is clearly non-standard.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That's a good thing - no risk of wrong data or missing data.
> >>>>
> >>>> Using an attribute, rdfx:graph - won't it be a property if it is not
> >>>> understood as additional syntax attribute?
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Isn't this a gap in RDF standardization -- an XML format for quads?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> IIRC When it came down to it, no one was interested in spending time
> on
> >> it.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are (probably) some notes in the RDF 1.1 WG wiki.
> >>>>
> >>>> TriX is a de facto standard.
> >>>>
> >>>> Andy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 08/06/16 15:22, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hey,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)?
> >> What
> >>>>>>> would that take?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
> >>>>>>> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
> >>>>>>> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
> >>>>>>> something like this:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> <rdf:Description
> >>>>>>> rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
> >>>>>>> <foaf:givenName
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">
> >> Tim</foaf:givenName>
> >>>>>>> <foaf:familyName
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf
> >> "">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
> >>>>>>> </rdf:Description>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And if a triple is in 2 graphs? The default graph?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
> >>>>>>> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for
> >> XSLT
> >>>>>>> transformation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Martynas
> >>>>>>> atomgraph.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> An alternative is more TriG like :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <rdfx:Graph rdfx:name="...">
> >>>>>> .... RDF/XML here ...
> >>>>>> </rdfx:Graph>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
>
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by ajs6f <aj...@apache.org>.
Jena can currently produce TriX:
https://jena.apache.org/documentation/io/rdf-output.html#rdfformat
http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/2004/HPL-2004-56.pdf
which is not a W3C spec, but does indeed encode named graphs. Does that meet your needs?
ajs6f
> On Jun 13, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Alexandra Kokkinaki <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I also want to use named graphs to capture provenance information on
> triples but in RDF/XML serialization.
> Iam replying Martynas email, as he first asked for that, wondering if
> anything happened since then, and I haven't found it?
>
> Many thanks
> Alexandra
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Martynas Jusevičius <ma...@atomgraph.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I found the "abandoned" discussion on RDF 1.1 WG wiki:
>> https://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-RDF-XML#Change_8:_
>> named_graph_support_in_RDF-XML
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Martynas Jusevičius
>> <ma...@atomgraph.com> wrote:
>>> It seems that someone has thought about this before:
>>> https://www.w3.org/Submission/rdfsource/
>>>
>>> TriX is just not a natural structure for XSLT transformations.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/06/16 14:47, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Good points. Yes TriG-like structure makes more sense -- but then it
>>>>> is clearly non-standard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a good thing - no risk of wrong data or missing data.
>>>>
>>>> Using an attribute, rdfx:graph - won't it be a property if it is not
>>>> understood as additional syntax attribute?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't this a gap in RDF standardization -- an XML format for quads?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IIRC When it came down to it, no one was interested in spending time on
>> it.
>>>>
>>>> There are (probably) some notes in the RDF 1.1 WG wiki.
>>>>
>>>> TriX is a de facto standard.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/06/16 15:22, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)?
>> What
>>>>>>> would that take?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
>>>>>>> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
>>>>>>> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
>>>>>>> something like this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <rdf:Description
>>>>>>> rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
>>>>>>> <foaf:givenName
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">
>> Tim</foaf:givenName>
>>>>>>> <foaf:familyName
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf
>> "">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
>>>>>>> </rdf:Description>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if a triple is in 2 graphs? The default graph?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
>>>>>>> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for
>> XSLT
>>>>>>> transformation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Martynas
>>>>>>> atomgraph.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An alternative is more TriG like :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <rdfx:Graph rdfx:name="...">
>>>>>> .... RDF/XML here ...
>>>>>> </rdfx:Graph>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by Alexandra Kokkinaki <al...@gmail.com>.
Dear all,
I also want to use named graphs to capture provenance information on
triples but in RDF/XML serialization.
Iam replying Martynas email, as he first asked for that, wondering if
anything happened since then, and I haven't found it?
Many thanks
Alexandra
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Martynas Jusevičius <ma...@atomgraph.com>
wrote:
> I found the "abandoned" discussion on RDF 1.1 WG wiki:
> https://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-RDF-XML#Change_8:_
> named_graph_support_in_RDF-XML
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Martynas Jusevičius
> <ma...@atomgraph.com> wrote:
> > It seems that someone has thought about this before:
> > https://www.w3.org/Submission/rdfsource/
> >
> > TriX is just not a natural structure for XSLT transformations.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 09/06/16 14:47, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Good points. Yes TriG-like structure makes more sense -- but then it
> >>> is clearly non-standard.
> >>
> >>
> >> That's a good thing - no risk of wrong data or missing data.
> >>
> >> Using an attribute, rdfx:graph - won't it be a property if it is not
> >> understood as additional syntax attribute?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Isn't this a gap in RDF standardization -- an XML format for quads?
> >>
> >>
> >> IIRC When it came down to it, no one was interested in spending time on
> it.
> >>
> >> There are (probably) some notes in the RDF 1.1 WG wiki.
> >>
> >> TriX is a de facto standard.
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 08/06/16 15:22, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hey,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)?
> What
> >>>>> would that take?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
> >>>>> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
> >>>>> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
> >>>>> something like this:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <rdf:Description
> >>>>> rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
> >>>>> <foaf:givenName
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">
> Tim</foaf:givenName>
> >>>>> <foaf:familyName
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf
> "">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
> >>>>> </rdf:Description>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And if a triple is in 2 graphs? The default graph?
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
> >>>>> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for
> XSLT
> >>>>> transformation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Martynas
> >>>>> atomgraph.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> An alternative is more TriG like :
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> <rdfx:Graph rdfx:name="...">
> >>>> .... RDF/XML here ...
> >>>> </rdfx:Graph>
> >>
> >>
>
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by Martynas Jusevičius <ma...@atomgraph.com>.
I found the "abandoned" discussion on RDF 1.1 WG wiki:
https://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-RDF-XML#Change_8:_named_graph_support_in_RDF-XML
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Martynas Jusevičius
<ma...@atomgraph.com> wrote:
> It seems that someone has thought about this before:
> https://www.w3.org/Submission/rdfsource/
>
> TriX is just not a natural structure for XSLT transformations.
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 09/06/16 14:47, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>>
>>> Good points. Yes TriG-like structure makes more sense -- but then it
>>> is clearly non-standard.
>>
>>
>> That's a good thing - no risk of wrong data or missing data.
>>
>> Using an attribute, rdfx:graph - won't it be a property if it is not
>> understood as additional syntax attribute?
>>
>>>
>>> Isn't this a gap in RDF standardization -- an XML format for quads?
>>
>>
>> IIRC When it came down to it, no one was interested in spending time on it.
>>
>> There are (probably) some notes in the RDF 1.1 WG wiki.
>>
>> TriX is a de facto standard.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/06/16 15:22, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>
>>>>> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)? What
>>>>> would that take?
>>>>>
>>>>> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
>>>>> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
>>>>> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
>>>>> something like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> <rdf:Description
>>>>> rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
>>>>> <foaf:givenName
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">Tim</foaf:givenName>
>>>>> <foaf:familyName
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf"">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
>>>>> </rdf:Description>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And if a triple is in 2 graphs? The default graph?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
>>>>> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for XSLT
>>>>> transformation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martynas
>>>>> atomgraph.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An alternative is more TriG like :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <rdfx:Graph rdfx:name="...">
>>>> .... RDF/XML here ...
>>>> </rdfx:Graph>
>>
>>
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by Martynas Jusevičius <ma...@atomgraph.com>.
It seems that someone has thought about this before:
https://www.w3.org/Submission/rdfsource/
TriX is just not a natural structure for XSLT transformations.
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 09/06/16 14:47, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>
>> Good points. Yes TriG-like structure makes more sense -- but then it
>> is clearly non-standard.
>
>
> That's a good thing - no risk of wrong data or missing data.
>
> Using an attribute, rdfx:graph - won't it be a property if it is not
> understood as additional syntax attribute?
>
>>
>> Isn't this a gap in RDF standardization -- an XML format for quads?
>
>
> IIRC When it came down to it, no one was interested in spending time on it.
>
> There are (probably) some notes in the RDF 1.1 WG wiki.
>
> TriX is a de facto standard.
>
> Andy
>
>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 08/06/16 15:22, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)? What
>>>> would that take?
>>>>
>>>> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
>>>> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
>>>> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
>>>> something like this:
>>>>
>>>> <rdf:Description
>>>> rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
>>>> <foaf:givenName
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">Tim</foaf:givenName>
>>>> <foaf:familyName
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf"">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
>>>> </rdf:Description>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And if a triple is in 2 graphs? The default graph?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
>>>> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for XSLT
>>>> transformation.
>>>>
>>>> Martynas
>>>> atomgraph.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> An alternative is more TriG like :
>>>
>>>
>>> <rdfx:Graph rdfx:name="...">
>>> .... RDF/XML here ...
>>> </rdfx:Graph>
>
>
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
On 09/06/16 14:47, Martynas Jusevi\u010dius wrote:
> Good points. Yes TriG-like structure makes more sense -- but then it
> is clearly non-standard.
That's a good thing - no risk of wrong data or missing data.
Using an attribute, rdfx:graph - won't it be a property if it is not
understood as additional syntax attribute?
>
> Isn't this a gap in RDF standardization -- an XML format for quads?
IIRC When it came down to it, no one was interested in spending time on it.
There are (probably) some notes in the RDF 1.1 WG wiki.
TriX is a de facto standard.
Andy
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 08/06/16 15:22, Martynas Jusevi\u010dius wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)? What
>>> would that take?
>>>
>>> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
>>> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
>>>
>>> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
>>> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
>>> something like this:
>>>
>>> <rdf:Description rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
>>> <foaf:givenName
>>>
>>> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">Tim</foaf:givenName>
>>> <foaf:familyName
>>>
>>> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf"">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
>>> </rdf:Description>
>>
>>
>> And if a triple is in 2 graphs? The default graph?
>>
>>>
>>> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
>>> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for XSLT
>>> transformation.
>>>
>>> Martynas
>>> atomgraph.com
>>>
>>
>> An alternative is more TriG like :
>>
>>
>> <rdfx:Graph rdfx:name="...">
>> .... RDF/XML here ...
>> </rdfx:Graph>
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by Martynas Jusevičius <ma...@atomgraph.com>.
Good points. Yes TriG-like structure makes more sense -- but then it
is clearly non-standard.
Isn't this a gap in RDF standardization -- an XML format for quads?
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 08/06/16 15:22, Martynas Jusevičius wrote:
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)? What
>> would that take?
>>
>> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
>> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
>>
>> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
>> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
>> something like this:
>>
>> <rdf:Description rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
>> <foaf:givenName
>>
>> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">Tim</foaf:givenName>
>> <foaf:familyName
>>
>> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf"">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
>> </rdf:Description>
>
>
> And if a triple is in 2 graphs? The default graph?
>
>>
>> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
>> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for XSLT
>> transformation.
>>
>> Martynas
>> atomgraph.com
>>
>
> An alternative is more TriG like :
>
>
> <rdfx:Graph rdfx:name="...">
> .... RDF/XML here ...
> </rdfx:Graph>
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
On 08/06/16 15:22, Martynas Jusevi\u010dius wrote:
> Hey,
>
> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)? What
> would that take?
>
> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
>
> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
> something like this:
>
> <rdf:Description rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
> <foaf:givenName
> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">Tim</foaf:givenName>
> <foaf:familyName
> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf"">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
> </rdf:Description>
And if a triple is in 2 graphs? The default graph?
>
> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for XSLT
> transformation.
>
> Martynas
> atomgraph.com
>
An alternative is more TriG like :
<rdfx:Graph rdfx:name="...">
.... RDF/XML here ...
</rdfx:Graph>
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by Martynas Jusevičius <ma...@atomgraph.com>.
We already have a bunch of XSLT stylesheets for RDF/XML:
https://github.com/AtomGraph/Web-Client/tree/master/src/main/webapp/static/org/graphity/client/xsl
document() doesn't help as we want to keep track of named graphs, for
provenance/UI reasons. This thread explains more:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lod/2016Jun/0003.html
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:09 PM, A. Soroka <aj...@virginia.edu> wrote:
> Is the basic desire here to employ XSLT against such a serialization? It would be immediately possible to so do by running against "vanilla" RDF/XML in a file-per-graph using XSLT's document() function.
>
> ---
> A. Soroka
> The University of Virginia Library
>
>> On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Martynas Jusevičius <ma...@graphity.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)? What
>> would that take?
>>
>> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
>> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
>>
>> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
>> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
>> something like this:
>>
>> <rdf:Description rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
>> <foaf:givenName
>> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">Tim</foaf:givenName>
>> <foaf:familyName
>> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf"">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
>> </rdf:Description>
>>
>> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
>> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for XSLT
>> transformation.
>>
>> Martynas
>> atomgraph.com
>
Re: Customizing RDF/XML writer for quads
Posted by "A. Soroka" <aj...@virginia.edu>.
Is the basic desire here to employ XSLT against such a serialization? It would be immediately possible to so do by running against "vanilla" RDF/XML in a file-per-graph using XSLT's document() function.
---
A. Soroka
The University of Virginia Library
> On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Martynas Jusevičius <ma...@graphity.org> wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> would it be possible to adopt RDF/XML writer for quads (Dataset)? What
> would that take?
>
> I know it would involve a non-standard syntax, but if we used
> namespaced attributes, XML-compatible tools shouldn't break.
>
> I am thinking it should be possible to add an attribute (e.g.
> rdfx:graph) with graph name on each of the property elements,
> something like this:
>
> <rdf:Description rdf:about="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i">
> <foaf:givenName
> rdfx:graph="https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card">Tim</foaf:givenName>
> <foaf:familyName
> rdfx:graph=http://data.semanticweb.org/person/tim-berners-lee/rdf"">Berners-Lee</foaf:familyName>
> </rdf:Description>
>
> What do you think? Would someone else be interested in such
> serialization? I know there is TriX, but it is not convenient for XSLT
> transformation.
>
> Martynas
> atomgraph.com