Please create a juddi-user@ws.apache.org list.

[Steve Viens <st...@viens.net>]

After some consideration we would like to restate our original request
for the creation of a juddi-user mailing list. This is how the project
has been organized for the past 3 years and the current juddi-dev (17)
and juddi-user (123) subscribers have become comfortable with this
division. 

Currently almost all juddi-dev subscribers are also subscribed to
juddi-user and we expect that to also be the case once a
"juddi-user@ws.apache.org" list has been created. We're unconcerned that
requests for support sent to the juddi-user list will go unanswered by
Committers since this hasn't been an issue to date (there's no
precedence for it on our lists).

I've sent a requst to the contact at the http://marc.theaimsgroup.com
website requesting that the juddi-dev list be archived. I'll plan to
request that the juddi-user list be archived as well once it's created.

Also, if possible we would like messages sent to the juddi-dev and
juddi-user lists to be archived in The Mail Archive as well
(http://www.mail-archive.com/). Unfortunately, The Mail Archive will not
respond to "confirmation requests" so the procedure for doing this is to
have the list administrator add a subscription for
"archive@mail-archive.com".

Visit http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#newlist for more information
on adding a list to The Mail Archive.

Steve
sviens@apache.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Stein [mailto:gstein@lyra.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:12 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org; steve@viens.net
Cc: dims@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Setup Incubator resources for WS jUDDI Project


On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:59:29AM -0700, Steve Viens wrote:
>...
>   Create jUDDI mailing lists and archives:
>       juddi-dev@ws.apache.org 
>       juddi-user@ws.apache.org
>       juddi-cvs@ws.apache.org

What is the size of this project's community? For starting communities,
I disagree with the notion of separating the dev and user groups. I
think all discussion ought to happen on the dev list, in front of the
people who are implementing the code. The devs should not be that out of
touch from their users.

If the community is already large, and the split is necessary, then
fine. But the experience on incubated projects has pretty uniformly
shown that the split is not justified.

>...
> Please let me know if the "general@incubator.apache.org" list is not  
>the correct place/mechanism to make these requests.

Yup, this is the right place. I see that Dims is the shepherd, so he
will be tracking to make sure that things get done for you.

However, you should also provide patches to the incubator-site module to
get the relevant Incubator web pages fixed up properly. And where you
see other patches about the Incubator process or info or whatever,
submit those, too. The Incubator site itself needs assistance...

Cheers,
-g

-- 
Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/





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Re: Please create a juddi-user@ws.apache.org list.

[Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>]

+1 from me. CC'ing pmc@ws.

-- dims

--- Steve Viens <st...@viens.net> wrote:
> After some consideration we would like to restate our original request
> for the creation of a juddi-user mailing list. This is how the project
> has been organized for the past 3 years and the current juddi-dev (17)
> and juddi-user (123) subscribers have become comfortable with this
> division. 
> 
> Currently almost all juddi-dev subscribers are also subscribed to
> juddi-user and we expect that to also be the case once a
> "juddi-user@ws.apache.org" list has been created. We're unconcerned that
> requests for support sent to the juddi-user list will go unanswered by
> Committers since this hasn't been an issue to date (there's no
> precedence for it on our lists).
> 
> I've sent a requst to the contact at the http://marc.theaimsgroup.com
> website requesting that the juddi-dev list be archived. I'll plan to
> request that the juddi-user list be archived as well once it's created.
> 
> Also, if possible we would like messages sent to the juddi-dev and
> juddi-user lists to be archived in The Mail Archive as well
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/). Unfortunately, The Mail Archive will not
> respond to "confirmation requests" so the procedure for doing this is to
> have the list administrator add a subscription for
> "archive@mail-archive.com".
> 
> Visit http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#newlist for more information
> on adding a list to The Mail Archive.
> 
> Steve
> sviens@apache.org
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Stein [mailto:gstein@lyra.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:12 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org; steve@viens.net
> Cc: dims@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Setup Incubator resources for WS jUDDI Project
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:59:29AM -0700, Steve Viens wrote:
> >...
> >   Create jUDDI mailing lists and archives:
> >       juddi-dev@ws.apache.org 
> >       juddi-user@ws.apache.org
> >       juddi-cvs@ws.apache.org
> 
> What is the size of this project's community? For starting communities,
> I disagree with the notion of separating the dev and user groups. I
> think all discussion ought to happen on the dev list, in front of the
> people who are implementing the code. The devs should not be that out of
> touch from their users.
> 
> If the community is already large, and the split is necessary, then
> fine. But the experience on incubated projects has pretty uniformly
> shown that the split is not justified.
> 
> >...
> > Please let me know if the "general@incubator.apache.org" list is not  
> >the correct place/mechanism to make these requests.
> 
> Yup, this is the right place. I see that Dims is the shepherd, so he
> will be tracking to make sure that things get done for you.
> 
> However, you should also provide patches to the incubator-site module to
> get the relevant Incubator web pages fixed up properly. And where you
> see other patches about the Incubator process or info or whatever,
> submit those, too. The Incubator site itself needs assistance...
> 
> Cheers,
> -g
> 
> -- 
> Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/

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