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downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Hi,
This is regarding the eclipse plugin being developed in Apache Qpid project.
The maven repository doesn't have the eclipse swt plugins for all
platforms. I have few questions, can those be answered please if possible-
- Can I download the eclipse runtime binary or any zip/tar from
http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.2.1-200609210945/.
If yes, then how?
- how can I assemble the RCP for different platform using maven? Is it
profiles I need to use in assembling or there is some other or better way.
Thanks in advance
Bhupendra
Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Dan Tran <da...@gmail.com>.
ant get task?
On 12/15/06, Bhupendra Bhardwaj <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This is regarding the eclipse plugin being developed in Apache Qpid
> project.
>
> The maven repository doesn't have the eclipse swt plugins for all
> platforms. I have few questions, can those be answered please if
> possible-
> - Can I download the eclipse runtime binary or any zip/tar from
> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.2.1-200609210945/.
> If yes, then how?
>
> - how can I assemble the RCP for different platform using maven? Is it
> profiles I need to use in assembling or there is some other or better way.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Bhupendra
>
>
Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Tom Huybrechts <to...@gmail.com>.
On 12/18/06, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
> On 18 Dec 06, at 10:23 AM 18 Dec 06, Tom Huybrechts wrote:
>
> > On 12/18/06, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 18 Dec 06, at 9:59 AM 18 Dec 06, Daniel Kulp wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Graham,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Monday 18 December 2006 04:26, Graham Leggett wrote:
> >> >>> For compilation purpose the win32 eclipse jars are availabe in
> >> >>> maven (
> >> >>> repo1.maven.org), so compilation is not a problem.
> >> >>
> >> >> The eclipse jars in repo1.maven.org are over a year old, and only
> >> >> a small
> >> >> subset of the eclipse jars are available. It's far safer in the
> >> >> long term
> >> >> to create a complete and up to date repo of your own.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is that the project Bhupendra is talking about is an
> >> > open source
> >> > project with developers from SEVERAL companies scattered all over
> >> > the place,
> >> > several of which don't have their own internal maven repositories
> >> > setup.
> >> > Thus, requiring this basically would require each developer to
> >> do this
> >> > themselves which the whole point of maven's dependency management
> >> > stuff was
> >> > to avoid all that.
> >> >
> >> > My can't someone on the Maven team run the plugin/script and put
> >> > them up on
> >> > repo1 someplace? That's what I'm having a hard time
> >> > understanding. People
> >> > obviously want them published, what stopping them from being
> >> > published?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Seems like a good idea to me.
> >>
> >> Jason.
> >
> > We'd better have the POMs right the first time with regards to
> > dependencies, because they cannot be updated.
> >
>
> We can put them in a staging repository for people to use for a while
> and let people evaluate them. Fix over the course of a few weeks and
> let release them into the wild.
>
> Jason.
>
They have been in http://repo1.maven.org/eclipse for a while
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >>
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>.
On 18 Dec 06, at 10:23 AM 18 Dec 06, Tom Huybrechts wrote:
> On 12/18/06, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 18 Dec 06, at 9:59 AM 18 Dec 06, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Graham,
>> >
>> >
>> > On Monday 18 December 2006 04:26, Graham Leggett wrote:
>> >>> For compilation purpose the win32 eclipse jars are availabe in
>> >>> maven (
>> >>> repo1.maven.org), so compilation is not a problem.
>> >>
>> >> The eclipse jars in repo1.maven.org are over a year old, and only
>> >> a small
>> >> subset of the eclipse jars are available. It's far safer in the
>> >> long term
>> >> to create a complete and up to date repo of your own.
>> >
>> > The problem is that the project Bhupendra is talking about is an
>> > open source
>> > project with developers from SEVERAL companies scattered all over
>> > the place,
>> > several of which don't have their own internal maven repositories
>> > setup.
>> > Thus, requiring this basically would require each developer to
>> do this
>> > themselves which the whole point of maven's dependency management
>> > stuff was
>> > to avoid all that.
>> >
>> > My can't someone on the Maven team run the plugin/script and put
>> > them up on
>> > repo1 someplace? That's what I'm having a hard time
>> > understanding. People
>> > obviously want them published, what stopping them from being
>> > published?
>> >
>>
>> Seems like a good idea to me.
>>
>> Jason.
>
> We'd better have the POMs right the first time with regards to
> dependencies, because they cannot be updated.
>
We can put them in a staging repository for people to use for a while
and let people evaluate them. Fix over the course of a few weeks and
let release them into the wild.
Jason.
> Tom
>
>
>
>>
>> >
>> > --
>> > J. Daniel Kulp
>> > Principal Engineer
>> > IONA
>> > P: 781-902-8727 C: 508-380-7194
>> > daniel.kulp@iona.com
>> >
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Tom Huybrechts <to...@gmail.com>.
On 12/18/06, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>
> On 18 Dec 06, at 9:59 AM 18 Dec 06, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>
> >
> > Graham,
> >
> >
> > On Monday 18 December 2006 04:26, Graham Leggett wrote:
> >>> For compilation purpose the win32 eclipse jars are availabe in
> >>> maven (
> >>> repo1.maven.org), so compilation is not a problem.
> >>
> >> The eclipse jars in repo1.maven.org are over a year old, and only
> >> a small
> >> subset of the eclipse jars are available. It's far safer in the
> >> long term
> >> to create a complete and up to date repo of your own.
> >
> > The problem is that the project Bhupendra is talking about is an
> > open source
> > project with developers from SEVERAL companies scattered all over
> > the place,
> > several of which don't have their own internal maven repositories
> > setup.
> > Thus, requiring this basically would require each developer to do this
> > themselves which the whole point of maven's dependency management
> > stuff was
> > to avoid all that.
> >
> > My can't someone on the Maven team run the plugin/script and put
> > them up on
> > repo1 someplace? That's what I'm having a hard time
> > understanding. People
> > obviously want them published, what stopping them from being
> > published?
> >
>
> Seems like a good idea to me.
>
> Jason.
We'd better have the POMs right the first time with regards to
dependencies, because they cannot be updated.
Tom
>
> >
> > --
> > J. Daniel Kulp
> > Principal Engineer
> > IONA
> > P: 781-902-8727 C: 508-380-7194
> > daniel.kulp@iona.com
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>.
On 18 Dec 06, at 9:59 AM 18 Dec 06, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>
> Graham,
>
>
> On Monday 18 December 2006 04:26, Graham Leggett wrote:
>>> For compilation purpose the win32 eclipse jars are availabe in
>>> maven (
>>> repo1.maven.org), so compilation is not a problem.
>>
>> The eclipse jars in repo1.maven.org are over a year old, and only
>> a small
>> subset of the eclipse jars are available. It's far safer in the
>> long term
>> to create a complete and up to date repo of your own.
>
> The problem is that the project Bhupendra is talking about is an
> open source
> project with developers from SEVERAL companies scattered all over
> the place,
> several of which don't have their own internal maven repositories
> setup.
> Thus, requiring this basically would require each developer to do this
> themselves which the whole point of maven's dependency management
> stuff was
> to avoid all that.
>
> My can't someone on the Maven team run the plugin/script and put
> them up on
> repo1 someplace? That's what I'm having a hard time
> understanding. People
> obviously want them published, what stopping them from being
> published?
>
Seems like a good idea to me.
Jason.
>
> --
> J. Daniel Kulp
> Principal Engineer
> IONA
> P: 781-902-8727 C: 508-380-7194
> daniel.kulp@iona.com
>
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Tom Huybrechts <to...@gmail.com>.
On 12/19/06, Aaron.Digulla@globus.ch <Aa...@globus.ch> wrote:
> "Graham Leggett" <mi...@sharp.fm> schrieb am 18.12.2006 17:53:54:
>
> > The problem I saw posted recently about this was that once published,
> the
> > repository is cast in stone, including errors.
>
> =8*O I beg your pardon? I looked in JIRA but couldn't find a report about
> this. Is there? If not, I'd open one. ;-)
>
> The idea that you'll never have to fix a broken POM/JAR/whatever is just
> ridiculous. :-) As I understand it, the repo admins are just very
> reluctant to modify already published artefacts.
>
The repository IS cast in stone. Deployed POMs are not updated since
clients do not expect them to change and will not check for updates
(nor should they). This is an integral part of build reproducibility.
The only way to fix a broken artifact is by uploading a new version.
Tom
> Regards,
>
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Barrie Treloar <ba...@gmail.com>.
On 12/20/06, Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm> wrote:
> On Tue, December 19, 2006 5:15 pm, Bhupendra Bhardwaj wrote:
>
> >> The most simple solution right now is probably to add
> >> http://repo1.maven.org/eclipse/ to your list of repositories in
> >> settings.xml.
>
> > Not really. Because the solution I was looking for was to package my RCP
> > app
> > for all platforms and the repo1.maven.org/eclipse only has swt jar for
> > win32
> > platform.
>
> And the solution to that is to point eclipse:make-artifacts at the eclipse
> deltapack, and import those jars into the repository as well. This worked
> for us.
Whoever created repo1.maven.org/eclipse can also add the delta pack for us too.
Pretty please.
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm>.
On Tue, December 19, 2006 5:15 pm, Bhupendra Bhardwaj wrote:
>> The most simple solution right now is probably to add
>> http://repo1.maven.org/eclipse/ to your list of repositories in
>> settings.xml.
> Not really. Because the solution I was looking for was to package my RCP
> app
> for all platforms and the repo1.maven.org/eclipse only has swt jar for
> win32
> platform.
And the solution to that is to point eclipse:make-artifacts at the eclipse
deltapack, and import those jars into the repository as well. This worked
for us.
Regards,
Graham
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Bhupendra Bhardwaj <bh...@gmail.com>.
On 12/19/06, Aaron.Digulla@globus.ch <Aa...@globus.ch> wrote:
>
> > So, what is the way forward?
>
> The most simple solution right now is probably to add
> http://repo1.maven.org/eclipse/ to your list of repositories in
> settings.xml.
Not really. Because the solution I was looking for was to package my RCP app
for all platforms and the repo1.maven.org/eclipse only has swt jar for win32
platform.
Regards,
Bhupendra
Regards,
>
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Aa...@Globus.ch.
> So, what is the way forward?
The most simple solution right now is probably to add
http://repo1.maven.org/eclipse/ to your list of repositories in
settings.xml.
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Bhupendra Bhardwaj <bh...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
So, what is the way forward?
Is that till we have the feature Graham is working on (downloading eclipse
jars from links like
http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.2.1-200609210945/)
we have to download those jars seperately from those urls and may be put in
the project's lib dir and then bundle our RCP apps for distribution?
For things like eclipse plugin jars, who is supposed to be taking care of
having updates jars in the maven repo?
- is it the specific project team (like eclipse project people), who should
take care of it or
- it the maven team or
- projects which need to use them should follow some process to get it in
the maven. I don't this is the option as it will make things messy and
inconsistent versions in the repo.
Regards,
Bhupendra
On 12/19/06, Tom Huybrechts <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/19/06, Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm> wrote:
> > On Tue, December 19, 2006 10:24 am, Aaron.Digulla@Globus.ch wrote:
> >
> > > =8*O I beg your pardon? I looked in JIRA but couldn't find a report
> about
> > > this. Is there? If not, I'd open one. ;-)
> > >
> > > The idea that you'll never have to fix a broken POM/JAR/whatever is
> just
> > > ridiculous. :-) As I understand it, the repo admins are just very
> > > reluctant to modify already published artefacts.
> >
> > That's what I meant, yes.
> >
> > As it turns out, someone has already published the full eclipse tree to
> > repo1, so all this is moot :)
> >
>
> No it's not - the Eclipse artifacts are published to a separate
> repository and are not yet integrated into the main repository.
>
> > Regards,
> > Graham
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Tom Huybrechts <to...@gmail.com>.
On 12/19/06, Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm> wrote:
> On Tue, December 19, 2006 10:24 am, Aaron.Digulla@Globus.ch wrote:
>
> > =8*O I beg your pardon? I looked in JIRA but couldn't find a report about
> > this. Is there? If not, I'd open one. ;-)
> >
> > The idea that you'll never have to fix a broken POM/JAR/whatever is just
> > ridiculous. :-) As I understand it, the repo admins are just very
> > reluctant to modify already published artefacts.
>
> That's what I meant, yes.
>
> As it turns out, someone has already published the full eclipse tree to
> repo1, so all this is moot :)
>
No it's not - the Eclipse artifacts are published to a separate
repository and are not yet integrated into the main repository.
> Regards,
> Graham
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm>.
On Tue, December 19, 2006 10:24 am, Aaron.Digulla@Globus.ch wrote:
> =8*O I beg your pardon? I looked in JIRA but couldn't find a report about
> this. Is there? If not, I'd open one. ;-)
>
> The idea that you'll never have to fix a broken POM/JAR/whatever is just
> ridiculous. :-) As I understand it, the repo admins are just very
> reluctant to modify already published artefacts.
That's what I meant, yes.
As it turns out, someone has already published the full eclipse tree to
repo1, so all this is moot :)
Regards,
Graham
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Aa...@Globus.ch.
"Graham Leggett" <mi...@sharp.fm> schrieb am 18.12.2006 17:53:54:
> The problem I saw posted recently about this was that once published,
the
> repository is cast in stone, including errors.
=8*O I beg your pardon? I looked in JIRA but couldn't find a report about
this. Is there? If not, I'd open one. ;-)
The idea that you'll never have to fix a broken POM/JAR/whatever is just
ridiculous. :-) As I understand it, the repo admins are just very
reluctant to modify already published artefacts.
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm>.
On Mon, December 18, 2006 4:59 pm, Daniel Kulp wrote:
> My can't someone on the Maven team run the plugin/script and put them up
> on
> repo1 someplace? That's what I'm having a hard time understanding.
> People
> obviously want them published, what stopping them from being published?
The problem I saw posted recently about this was that once published, the
repository is cast in stone, including errors.
If this was published in a separate repository, with proper caveats
advertised ("this is beta", "this might change in future", whatever), this
would fix this problem.
Regards,
Graham
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com>.
Graham,
On Monday 18 December 2006 04:26, Graham Leggett wrote:
> > For compilation purpose the win32 eclipse jars are availabe in maven (
> > repo1.maven.org), so compilation is not a problem.
>
> The eclipse jars in repo1.maven.org are over a year old, and only a small
> subset of the eclipse jars are available. It's far safer in the long term
> to create a complete and up to date repo of your own.
The problem is that the project Bhupendra is talking about is an open source
project with developers from SEVERAL companies scattered all over the place,
several of which don't have their own internal maven repositories setup.
Thus, requiring this basically would require each developer to do this
themselves which the whole point of maven's dependency management stuff was
to avoid all that.
My can't someone on the Maven team run the plugin/script and put them up on
repo1 someplace? That's what I'm having a hard time understanding. People
obviously want them published, what stopping them from being published?
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm>.
On Mon, December 18, 2006 11:03 am, Bhupendra Bhardwaj wrote:
> "eclipse:make-artifacts" is a nice feature but it will work only if the
> person building and assembling the project has eclipse installed in his or
> her machine, which I think will not be the case as the RCP is one of the
> modules and not everybody will be working on it.
Not at all - we used eclipse:make-artifacts to create our own internal
maven repository for eclipse. It's something you only need to do once.
Previous to that we would often copy around the .m2/repository directory
from developer to developer, as it was the quickest way for changes to to
be propagated.
> For compilation purpose the win32 eclipse jars are availabe in maven (
> repo1.maven.org), so compilation is not a problem.
The eclipse jars in repo1.maven.org are over a year old, and only a small
subset of the eclipse jars are available. It's far safer in the long term
to create a complete and up to date repo of your own.
Regards,
Graham
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Bhupendra Bhardwaj <bh...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Graham for updates.
Is there any expected time frame or maven release, which will have these
features.
"eclipse:make-artifacts" is a nice feature but it will work only if the
person building and assembling the project has eclipse installed in his or
her machine, which I think will not be the case as the RCP is one of the
modules and not everybody will be working on it.
For compilation purpose the win32 eclipse jars are availabe in maven (
repo1.maven.org), so compilation is not a problem.
Regards,
Bhupendra
On 12/15/06, Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm> wrote:
>
> Bhupendra Bhardwaj wrote:
>
> > The maven repository doesn't have the eclipse swt plugins for all
> > platforms. I have few questions, can those be answered please if
> possible-
> > - Can I download the eclipse runtime binary or any zip/tar from
> >
> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.2.1-200609210945/.
> > If yes, then how?
>
> I am currently in the process of trying to solve this problem.
>
> Although the latest eclipse jars are not (yet) available in a maven
> repository, the 2.3-SNAPSHOT maven-eclipse-plugin has a goal
> eclipse:make-artifacts that, given a directory containing an eclipse
> installation, will import all the eclipse jars into your local
> repository, complete with dependency information. It works very well.
>
> You can point the maven-eclipse-plugin at the deltapack, and those jars
> can be imported as well.
>
> > - how can I assemble the RCP for different platform using maven? Is it
> > profiles I need to use in assembling or there is some other or better
> way.
>
> That is my next task - the maven-pde-plugin seems the most likely
> solution, however I have not yet found a way to produce an eclipse RCP
> app for multiple platforms using this method, yet.
>
> Regards,
> Graham
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>
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Re: downloading eclipse runtime binary or RCP delta pack
Posted by Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm>.
Bhupendra Bhardwaj wrote:
> The maven repository doesn't have the eclipse swt plugins for all
> platforms. I have few questions, can those be answered please if possible-
> - Can I download the eclipse runtime binary or any zip/tar from
> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.2.1-200609210945/.
> If yes, then how?
I am currently in the process of trying to solve this problem.
Although the latest eclipse jars are not (yet) available in a maven
repository, the 2.3-SNAPSHOT maven-eclipse-plugin has a goal
eclipse:make-artifacts that, given a directory containing an eclipse
installation, will import all the eclipse jars into your local
repository, complete with dependency information. It works very well.
You can point the maven-eclipse-plugin at the deltapack, and those jars
can be imported as well.
> - how can I assemble the RCP for different platform using maven? Is it
> profiles I need to use in assembling or there is some other or better way.
That is my next task - the maven-pde-plugin seems the most likely
solution, however I have not yet found a way to produce an eclipse RCP
app for multiple platforms using this method, yet.
Regards,
Graham
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