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[PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Hi guys,
The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
Karaf assembly.
Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
(apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
(apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
Concretely, it means:
- we will have integration features repository XML
- we will have a distribution based on this features repository
- we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
have almost all ready :)).
Thoughts ?
Regards
JB
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Matt Pavlovich <ma...@gmail.com>.
+1 agree that the work is really aligning the feature repos, and (at times) politely submitting fixes to upstream published features.
> On Jan 21, 2023, at 12:01 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Lukasz,
>
> Regarding the first point, if you take a look at the ServiceMix
> mailing list past message, it has been discussed: we want to move the
> used parts of ServiceMIx in Karaf, and propose alternatives for other
> parts (like SMX and the new protocol handler proposal).
>
> Now, about the proposal:
> 1. I don't propose a subproject, just a new assembly in Karaf OSGi
> runtime as we have minimal and standard. The proposal is not to take
> ServiceMix "as it is", but create an integration features repository
> with cleanup.
> 2. I don't see huge effort, only picking dependency features (the
> features are still provided by third parties). For instance, today we
> have the enterprise features repositories (containing eclipselink,
> narayana, etc), the integration features repositories would contain
> "turnkey" features.
>
> I don't see a difference with what we do in the itests today.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 9:57 PM Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org> wrote:
>>
>> I see its an interesting concept, however - given that SMX is still not
>> at attic, I need to ask what is benefit of doing such large distribution
>> within Karaf project itself?
>> From technical point of view we need to separate dependencies to avoid
>> cyclic dependencies, so Camel, CXF and others and we (Karaf) can be
>> built. If we do it in separate sub-project, what's the difference to
>> making it at servicemix?
>> Shall we be using same version as Karaf or stick to different scheme?
>> How that would look a like?
>>
>> Best,
>> Łukasz
>>
>> On 19.01.2023 13:41, Jamie G. wrote:
>>> +1
>>>
>>> I agree with the direction. I've noted that most SMX deployments I see
>>> have continued on with Apache Karaf.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jamie
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:46 AM Sobkowiak, Krzysztof
>>> <kr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1 (binding)
>>>>
>>>> I think, it's time to do this step. It's a difficult for me to say it
>>>> after many years of contribution in this community. I think the idea of
>>>> ServiceMix as oss integration platform was great but it is simply in a
>>>> long agony actually. I think it has a chance to survive in the Karaf
>>>> community.
>>>>
>>>> When there are any features of current SMX distribution which will be
>>>> not part of the integration distro (to not to make it too complicated)
>>>> but are worth to survive, they can be simply described in a
>>>> documentation as set of how-tos.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Krzysztof
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 18.01.2023 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
>>>>> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>>>>>
>>>>> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
>>>>> Karaf assembly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
>>>>> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
>>>>> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
>>>>> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
>>>>> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
>>>>> Concretely, it means:
>>>>> - we will have integration features repository XML
>>>>> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
>>>>> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
>>>>> have almost all ready :)).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Lukasz,
Regarding the first point, if you take a look at the ServiceMix
mailing list past message, it has been discussed: we want to move the
used parts of ServiceMIx in Karaf, and propose alternatives for other
parts (like SMX and the new protocol handler proposal).
Now, about the proposal:
1. I don't propose a subproject, just a new assembly in Karaf OSGi
runtime as we have minimal and standard. The proposal is not to take
ServiceMix "as it is", but create an integration features repository
with cleanup.
2. I don't see huge effort, only picking dependency features (the
features are still provided by third parties). For instance, today we
have the enterprise features repositories (containing eclipselink,
narayana, etc), the integration features repositories would contain
"turnkey" features.
I don't see a difference with what we do in the itests today.
Regards
JB
On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 9:57 PM Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org> wrote:
>
> I see its an interesting concept, however - given that SMX is still not
> at attic, I need to ask what is benefit of doing such large distribution
> within Karaf project itself?
> From technical point of view we need to separate dependencies to avoid
> cyclic dependencies, so Camel, CXF and others and we (Karaf) can be
> built. If we do it in separate sub-project, what's the difference to
> making it at servicemix?
> Shall we be using same version as Karaf or stick to different scheme?
> How that would look a like?
>
> Best,
> Łukasz
>
> On 19.01.2023 13:41, Jamie G. wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > I agree with the direction. I've noted that most SMX deployments I see
> > have continued on with Apache Karaf.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jamie
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:46 AM Sobkowiak, Krzysztof
> > <kr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> +1 (binding)
> >>
> >> I think, it's time to do this step. It's a difficult for me to say it
> >> after many years of contribution in this community. I think the idea of
> >> ServiceMix as oss integration platform was great but it is simply in a
> >> long agony actually. I think it has a chance to survive in the Karaf
> >> community.
> >>
> >> When there are any features of current SMX distribution which will be
> >> not part of the integration distro (to not to make it too complicated)
> >> but are worth to survive, they can be simply described in a
> >> documentation as set of how-tos.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >>
> >> Krzysztof
> >>
> >>
> >> On 18.01.2023 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> >>> Hi guys,
> >>>
> >>> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> >>> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
> >>>
> >>> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> >>> Karaf assembly.
> >>>
> >>> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> >>> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> >>> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
> >>>
> >>> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> >>> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> >>> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> >>> Concretely, it means:
> >>> - we will have integration features repository XML
> >>> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> >>> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
> >>>
> >>> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> >>> have almost all ready :)).
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts ?
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> JB
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
I see its an interesting concept, however - given that SMX is still not
at attic, I need to ask what is benefit of doing such large distribution
within Karaf project itself?
From technical point of view we need to separate dependencies to avoid
cyclic dependencies, so Camel, CXF and others and we (Karaf) can be
built. If we do it in separate sub-project, what's the difference to
making it at servicemix?
Shall we be using same version as Karaf or stick to different scheme?
How that would look a like?
Best,
Łukasz
On 19.01.2023 13:41, Jamie G. wrote:
> +1
>
> I agree with the direction. I've noted that most SMX deployments I see
> have continued on with Apache Karaf.
>
> Cheers,
> Jamie
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:46 AM Sobkowiak, Krzysztof
> <kr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1 (binding)
>>
>> I think, it's time to do this step. It's a difficult for me to say it
>> after many years of contribution in this community. I think the idea of
>> ServiceMix as oss integration platform was great but it is simply in a
>> long agony actually. I think it has a chance to survive in the Karaf
>> community.
>>
>> When there are any features of current SMX distribution which will be
>> not part of the integration distro (to not to make it too complicated)
>> but are worth to survive, they can be simply described in a
>> documentation as set of how-tos.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Krzysztof
>>
>>
>> On 18.01.2023 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
>>> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>>>
>>> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
>>> Karaf assembly.
>>>
>>> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
>>> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
>>> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>>>
>>> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
>>> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
>>> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
>>> Concretely, it means:
>>> - we will have integration features repository XML
>>> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
>>> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>>>
>>> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
>>> have almost all ready :)).
>>>
>>> Thoughts ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by "Jamie G." <ja...@gmail.com>.
+1
I agree with the direction. I've noted that most SMX deployments I see
have continued on with Apache Karaf.
Cheers,
Jamie
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:46 AM Sobkowiak, Krzysztof
<kr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1 (binding)
>
> I think, it's time to do this step. It's a difficult for me to say it
> after many years of contribution in this community. I think the idea of
> ServiceMix as oss integration platform was great but it is simply in a
> long agony actually. I think it has a chance to survive in the Karaf
> community.
>
> When there are any features of current SMX distribution which will be
> not part of the integration distro (to not to make it too complicated)
> but are worth to survive, they can be simply described in a
> documentation as set of how-tos.
>
> Best regards
>
> Krzysztof
>
>
> On 18.01.2023 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> > parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
> >
> > As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> > Karaf assembly.
> >
> > Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> > (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> > (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
> >
> > I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> > apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> > Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> > Concretely, it means:
> > - we will have integration features repository XML
> > - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> > - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
> >
> > If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> > have almost all ready :)).
> >
> > Thoughts ?
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by "Sobkowiak, Krzysztof" <kr...@gmail.com>.
+1 (binding)
I think, it's time to do this step. It's a difficult for me to say it
after many years of contribution in this community. I think the idea of
ServiceMix as oss integration platform was great but it is simply in a
long agony actually. I think it has a chance to survive in the Karaf
community.
When there are any features of current SMX distribution which will be
not part of the integration distro (to not to make it too complicated)
but are worth to survive, they can be simply described in a
documentation as set of how-tos.
Best regards
Krzysztof
On 18.01.2023 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by fpapon <fp...@apache.org>.
Sounds good.
+1
regards,
François
On 18/01/2023 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
--
--
François
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Ephemeris Lappis <ep...@gmail.com>.
+1
I think this could be a good solution to get a "ready to use" platform
as SMX was. Many customers and I had been using SMX for years, for this
rich integrated quality.
Nevertheless, I'm not sure this will be a "miracle" solution. My last
and current works are all about migrating a customer's applications
system from a very old RedHat Fuse (some kind of complex system based on
SMX) to a "hand made" platform based on the last Karaf and Camel
versions (ActiveMQ is also used, but will be deployed as a separate
middle-ware), building our own features to provide what was, more or
less, out of the shelf in SMX.
This is a rather painful work, but doing that we aim to be able to
maintain Karaf, Camel and other components depending on out needs,
upgrading what is necessary when kit's necessary.
I remember in the past having working on a failed project for replacing
the Camel version in SMX, that was not so easy as it looked like.
What upgrading strategy do you imagine for Karaf, Camel, CXF, etc. ?
Migrating from our old Camel 2.X to 3.X we discovered a lot of
differences (small ones or bigger ones), deprecated or removed
components... Do you plan to provide with each last Karaf, the last Camel ?
I'm going to follow up your discussion on this topic...
Ephemeris Lappis
Le 18/01/2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré a écrit :
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by fpapon <fp...@apache.org>.
Sounds good.
+1
regards,
François
On 18/01/2023 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
--
--
François
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Grzegorz Grzybek <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hello
I don't know much about SMX distributions (except SMX bundles), but having
a Karaf distro with ready-to-use Camel + CXF + ActiveMQ sounds like a good
idea.
regards
Grzegorz Grzybek
śr., 18 sty 2023 o 13:44 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> napisał(a):
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by "Sobkowiak, Krzysztof" <kr...@gmail.com>.
+1 (binding)
I think, it's time to do this step. It's a difficult for me to say it
after many years of contribution in this community. I think the idea of
ServiceMix as oss integration platform was great but it is simply in a
long agony actually. I think it has a chance to survive in the Karaf
community.
When there are any features of current SMX distribution which will be
not part of the integration distro (to not to make it too complicated)
but are worth to survive, they can be simply described in a
documentation as set of how-tos.
Best regards
Krzysztof
On 18.01.2023 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by "Sobkowiak, Krzysztof" <kr...@gmail.com>.
+1 (binding)
I think, it's time to do this step. It's a difficult for me to say it
after many years of contribution in this community. I think the idea of
ServiceMix as oss integration platform was great but it is simply in a
long agony actually. I think it has a chance to survive in the Karaf
community.
When there are any features of current SMX distribution which will be
not part of the integration distro (to not to make it too complicated)
but are worth to survive, they can be simply described in a
documentation as set of how-tos.
Best regards
Krzysztof
On 18.01.2023 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Nicolas Filotto <nf...@talend.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
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Subject: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Hi guys,
The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
Karaf assembly.
Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
(apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
(apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
Concretely, it means:
- we will have integration features repository XML
- we will have a distribution based on this features repository
- we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
have almost all ready :)).
Thoughts ?
Regards
JB
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi,
Fair point, the initial intent is "just" to have
https://github.com/apache/servicemix/tree/master/assemblies/apache-servicemix
like distribution in as apache-karaf-integration.
The users can build their custom distributions based on karaf minimal,
karaf standard, karaf integration.
Another option is not to create a full distribution, but features
repositories only and let user do the assembly. However, a lot of SMX
users don't want to create custom distro: they just want to extract &
run and then deploy their artifacts (ok, they are probably "old" style
:)).
Probably the option would be to have ready to use features
repositories, and "document" (or eventually add tool) how to use it.
Regards
JB
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 10:42 AM Romain Manni-Bucau
<rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi JB,
>
> Whereas I can understand the intent I also see it will be hard because:
>
> 1. Default distro never matches well (even smix got custom distro)
> 2. Features are there for that exact need
>
> If I rephrase my point I guess the request looks more like "get us back what vendors abandon" but this was mainly about support and contracts, here we'll not get that so it looks to me we already provide that: karaf + features (+ optionally custom build if really needed).
> Not sticking to that sounds like you will get like hundreds of distro - without thinking too hard I see:
> * cloud one (prometheus/health/log/...)
> * jaxrs whiteboard
> * jaxrs whiteboard + jpa (web profile like)
> * http whiteboard only
> * amq
> * amq + jpa
> * kafka
> * kafka + jpa
> * pulsar
> * pulsar + jpa
> * ...
> (and all potential matrix)
>
> Since features were designed to avoid that I think it makes sens to avoid to go that path, it would also be consistent with the cloud spirit - even if the move is not actual most companies target some cloud mindset, in particular a better dep control - which means lighter distros.
>
>
> Hope it makes sense.
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn | Book
>
>
> Le jeu. 19 janv. 2023 à 09:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Romain,
>>
>> It's a request to move "natively" to Karaf: most SMX users already
>> moved to Karaf, but they asked for a ready to go distribution. The few
>> SMX uses are looking for a similar distribution in Karaf (just to
>> avoid creating a distribution themselves).
>>
>> So, I see more as a new distribution in the Karaf OSGi runtime project
>> than a new subproject.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:49 PM Romain Manni-Bucau
>> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi JB,
>> >
>> > Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this is
>> > just about killing smix project officially.
>> >
>> > Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
>> > features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and almost
>> > a subproject.
>> >
>> >
>> > Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
>> > écrit :
>> >
>> > > Hi guys,
>> > >
>> > > The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
>> > > parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>> > >
>> > > As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
>> > > Karaf assembly.
>> > >
>> > > Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
>> > > (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
>> > > (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>> > >
>> > > I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
>> > > apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
>> > > Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
>> > > Concretely, it means:
>> > > - we will have integration features repository XML
>> > > - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
>> > > - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>> > >
>> > > If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
>> > > have almost all ready :)).
>> > >
>> > > Thoughts ?
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > > JB
>> > >
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi,
Fair point, the initial intent is "just" to have
https://github.com/apache/servicemix/tree/master/assemblies/apache-servicemix
like distribution in as apache-karaf-integration.
The users can build their custom distributions based on karaf minimal,
karaf standard, karaf integration.
Another option is not to create a full distribution, but features
repositories only and let user do the assembly. However, a lot of SMX
users don't want to create custom distro: they just want to extract &
run and then deploy their artifacts (ok, they are probably "old" style
:)).
Probably the option would be to have ready to use features
repositories, and "document" (or eventually add tool) how to use it.
Regards
JB
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 10:42 AM Romain Manni-Bucau
<rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi JB,
>
> Whereas I can understand the intent I also see it will be hard because:
>
> 1. Default distro never matches well (even smix got custom distro)
> 2. Features are there for that exact need
>
> If I rephrase my point I guess the request looks more like "get us back what vendors abandon" but this was mainly about support and contracts, here we'll not get that so it looks to me we already provide that: karaf + features (+ optionally custom build if really needed).
> Not sticking to that sounds like you will get like hundreds of distro - without thinking too hard I see:
> * cloud one (prometheus/health/log/...)
> * jaxrs whiteboard
> * jaxrs whiteboard + jpa (web profile like)
> * http whiteboard only
> * amq
> * amq + jpa
> * kafka
> * kafka + jpa
> * pulsar
> * pulsar + jpa
> * ...
> (and all potential matrix)
>
> Since features were designed to avoid that I think it makes sens to avoid to go that path, it would also be consistent with the cloud spirit - even if the move is not actual most companies target some cloud mindset, in particular a better dep control - which means lighter distros.
>
>
> Hope it makes sense.
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn | Book
>
>
> Le jeu. 19 janv. 2023 à 09:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Romain,
>>
>> It's a request to move "natively" to Karaf: most SMX users already
>> moved to Karaf, but they asked for a ready to go distribution. The few
>> SMX uses are looking for a similar distribution in Karaf (just to
>> avoid creating a distribution themselves).
>>
>> So, I see more as a new distribution in the Karaf OSGi runtime project
>> than a new subproject.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:49 PM Romain Manni-Bucau
>> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi JB,
>> >
>> > Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this is
>> > just about killing smix project officially.
>> >
>> > Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
>> > features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and almost
>> > a subproject.
>> >
>> >
>> > Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
>> > écrit :
>> >
>> > > Hi guys,
>> > >
>> > > The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
>> > > parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>> > >
>> > > As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
>> > > Karaf assembly.
>> > >
>> > > Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
>> > > (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
>> > > (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>> > >
>> > > I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
>> > > apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
>> > > Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
>> > > Concretely, it means:
>> > > - we will have integration features repository XML
>> > > - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
>> > > - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>> > >
>> > > If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
>> > > have almost all ready :)).
>> > >
>> > > Thoughts ?
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > > JB
>> > >
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi,
Fair point, the initial intent is "just" to have
https://github.com/apache/servicemix/tree/master/assemblies/apache-servicemix
like distribution in as apache-karaf-integration.
The users can build their custom distributions based on karaf minimal,
karaf standard, karaf integration.
Another option is not to create a full distribution, but features
repositories only and let user do the assembly. However, a lot of SMX
users don't want to create custom distro: they just want to extract &
run and then deploy their artifacts (ok, they are probably "old" style
:)).
Probably the option would be to have ready to use features
repositories, and "document" (or eventually add tool) how to use it.
Regards
JB
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 10:42 AM Romain Manni-Bucau
<rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi JB,
>
> Whereas I can understand the intent I also see it will be hard because:
>
> 1. Default distro never matches well (even smix got custom distro)
> 2. Features are there for that exact need
>
> If I rephrase my point I guess the request looks more like "get us back what vendors abandon" but this was mainly about support and contracts, here we'll not get that so it looks to me we already provide that: karaf + features (+ optionally custom build if really needed).
> Not sticking to that sounds like you will get like hundreds of distro - without thinking too hard I see:
> * cloud one (prometheus/health/log/...)
> * jaxrs whiteboard
> * jaxrs whiteboard + jpa (web profile like)
> * http whiteboard only
> * amq
> * amq + jpa
> * kafka
> * kafka + jpa
> * pulsar
> * pulsar + jpa
> * ...
> (and all potential matrix)
>
> Since features were designed to avoid that I think it makes sens to avoid to go that path, it would also be consistent with the cloud spirit - even if the move is not actual most companies target some cloud mindset, in particular a better dep control - which means lighter distros.
>
>
> Hope it makes sense.
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn | Book
>
>
> Le jeu. 19 janv. 2023 à 09:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Romain,
>>
>> It's a request to move "natively" to Karaf: most SMX users already
>> moved to Karaf, but they asked for a ready to go distribution. The few
>> SMX uses are looking for a similar distribution in Karaf (just to
>> avoid creating a distribution themselves).
>>
>> So, I see more as a new distribution in the Karaf OSGi runtime project
>> than a new subproject.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:49 PM Romain Manni-Bucau
>> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi JB,
>> >
>> > Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this is
>> > just about killing smix project officially.
>> >
>> > Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
>> > features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and almost
>> > a subproject.
>> >
>> >
>> > Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
>> > écrit :
>> >
>> > > Hi guys,
>> > >
>> > > The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
>> > > parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>> > >
>> > > As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
>> > > Karaf assembly.
>> > >
>> > > Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
>> > > (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
>> > > (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>> > >
>> > > I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
>> > > apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
>> > > Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
>> > > Concretely, it means:
>> > > - we will have integration features repository XML
>> > > - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
>> > > - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>> > >
>> > > If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
>> > > have almost all ready :)).
>> > >
>> > > Thoughts ?
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > > JB
>> > >
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi,
Fair point, the initial intent is "just" to have
https://github.com/apache/servicemix/tree/master/assemblies/apache-servicemix
like distribution in as apache-karaf-integration.
The users can build their custom distributions based on karaf minimal,
karaf standard, karaf integration.
Another option is not to create a full distribution, but features
repositories only and let user do the assembly. However, a lot of SMX
users don't want to create custom distro: they just want to extract &
run and then deploy their artifacts (ok, they are probably "old" style
:)).
Probably the option would be to have ready to use features
repositories, and "document" (or eventually add tool) how to use it.
Regards
JB
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 10:42 AM Romain Manni-Bucau
<rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi JB,
>
> Whereas I can understand the intent I also see it will be hard because:
>
> 1. Default distro never matches well (even smix got custom distro)
> 2. Features are there for that exact need
>
> If I rephrase my point I guess the request looks more like "get us back what vendors abandon" but this was mainly about support and contracts, here we'll not get that so it looks to me we already provide that: karaf + features (+ optionally custom build if really needed).
> Not sticking to that sounds like you will get like hundreds of distro - without thinking too hard I see:
> * cloud one (prometheus/health/log/...)
> * jaxrs whiteboard
> * jaxrs whiteboard + jpa (web profile like)
> * http whiteboard only
> * amq
> * amq + jpa
> * kafka
> * kafka + jpa
> * pulsar
> * pulsar + jpa
> * ...
> (and all potential matrix)
>
> Since features were designed to avoid that I think it makes sens to avoid to go that path, it would also be consistent with the cloud spirit - even if the move is not actual most companies target some cloud mindset, in particular a better dep control - which means lighter distros.
>
>
> Hope it makes sense.
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn | Book
>
>
> Le jeu. 19 janv. 2023 à 09:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Romain,
>>
>> It's a request to move "natively" to Karaf: most SMX users already
>> moved to Karaf, but they asked for a ready to go distribution. The few
>> SMX uses are looking for a similar distribution in Karaf (just to
>> avoid creating a distribution themselves).
>>
>> So, I see more as a new distribution in the Karaf OSGi runtime project
>> than a new subproject.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:49 PM Romain Manni-Bucau
>> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi JB,
>> >
>> > Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this is
>> > just about killing smix project officially.
>> >
>> > Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
>> > features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and almost
>> > a subproject.
>> >
>> >
>> > Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
>> > écrit :
>> >
>> > > Hi guys,
>> > >
>> > > The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
>> > > parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>> > >
>> > > As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
>> > > Karaf assembly.
>> > >
>> > > Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
>> > > (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
>> > > (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>> > >
>> > > I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
>> > > apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
>> > > Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
>> > > Concretely, it means:
>> > > - we will have integration features repository XML
>> > > - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
>> > > - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>> > >
>> > > If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
>> > > have almost all ready :)).
>> > >
>> > > Thoughts ?
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > > JB
>> > >
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi JB,
Whereas I can understand the intent I also see it will be hard because:
1. Default distro never matches well (even smix got custom distro)
2. Features are there for that exact need
If I rephrase my point I guess the request looks more like "get us back
what vendors abandon" but this was mainly about support and contracts, here
we'll not get that so it looks to me we already provide that: karaf +
features (+ optionally custom build if really needed).
Not sticking to that sounds like you will get like hundreds of distro -
without thinking too hard I see:
* cloud one (prometheus/health/log/...)
* jaxrs whiteboard
* jaxrs whiteboard + jpa (web profile like)
* http whiteboard only
* amq
* amq + jpa
* kafka
* kafka + jpa
* pulsar
* pulsar + jpa
* ...
(and all potential matrix)
Since features were designed to avoid that I think it makes sens to avoid
to go that path, it would also be consistent with the cloud spirit - even
if the move is not actual most companies target some cloud mindset, in
particular a better dep control - which means lighter distros.
Hope it makes sense.
Romain Manni-Bucau
@rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
<https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
<http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book
<https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance>
Le jeu. 19 janv. 2023 à 09:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
écrit :
> Hi Romain,
>
> It's a request to move "natively" to Karaf: most SMX users already
> moved to Karaf, but they asked for a ready to go distribution. The few
> SMX uses are looking for a similar distribution in Karaf (just to
> avoid creating a distribution themselves).
>
> So, I see more as a new distribution in the Karaf OSGi runtime project
> than a new subproject.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:49 PM Romain Manni-Bucau
> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi JB,
> >
> > Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this
> is
> > just about killing smix project officially.
> >
> > Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
> > features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and
> almost
> > a subproject.
> >
> >
> > Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
> > écrit :
> >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> > > parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
> > >
> > > As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> > > Karaf assembly.
> > >
> > > Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> > > (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> > > (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
> > >
> > > I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> > > apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> > > Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> > > Concretely, it means:
> > > - we will have integration features repository XML
> > > - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> > > - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
> > >
> > > If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> > > have almost all ready :)).
> > >
> > > Thoughts ?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > >
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi JB,
Whereas I can understand the intent I also see it will be hard because:
1. Default distro never matches well (even smix got custom distro)
2. Features are there for that exact need
If I rephrase my point I guess the request looks more like "get us back
what vendors abandon" but this was mainly about support and contracts, here
we'll not get that so it looks to me we already provide that: karaf +
features (+ optionally custom build if really needed).
Not sticking to that sounds like you will get like hundreds of distro -
without thinking too hard I see:
* cloud one (prometheus/health/log/...)
* jaxrs whiteboard
* jaxrs whiteboard + jpa (web profile like)
* http whiteboard only
* amq
* amq + jpa
* kafka
* kafka + jpa
* pulsar
* pulsar + jpa
* ...
(and all potential matrix)
Since features were designed to avoid that I think it makes sens to avoid
to go that path, it would also be consistent with the cloud spirit - even
if the move is not actual most companies target some cloud mindset, in
particular a better dep control - which means lighter distros.
Hope it makes sense.
Romain Manni-Bucau
@rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
<https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
<http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book
<https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance>
Le jeu. 19 janv. 2023 à 09:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
écrit :
> Hi Romain,
>
> It's a request to move "natively" to Karaf: most SMX users already
> moved to Karaf, but they asked for a ready to go distribution. The few
> SMX uses are looking for a similar distribution in Karaf (just to
> avoid creating a distribution themselves).
>
> So, I see more as a new distribution in the Karaf OSGi runtime project
> than a new subproject.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:49 PM Romain Manni-Bucau
> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi JB,
> >
> > Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this
> is
> > just about killing smix project officially.
> >
> > Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
> > features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and
> almost
> > a subproject.
> >
> >
> > Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
> > écrit :
> >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> > > parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
> > >
> > > As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> > > Karaf assembly.
> > >
> > > Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> > > (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> > > (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
> > >
> > > I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> > > apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> > > Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> > > Concretely, it means:
> > > - we will have integration features repository XML
> > > - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> > > - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
> > >
> > > If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> > > have almost all ready :)).
> > >
> > > Thoughts ?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > >
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi JB,
Whereas I can understand the intent I also see it will be hard because:
1. Default distro never matches well (even smix got custom distro)
2. Features are there for that exact need
If I rephrase my point I guess the request looks more like "get us back
what vendors abandon" but this was mainly about support and contracts, here
we'll not get that so it looks to me we already provide that: karaf +
features (+ optionally custom build if really needed).
Not sticking to that sounds like you will get like hundreds of distro -
without thinking too hard I see:
* cloud one (prometheus/health/log/...)
* jaxrs whiteboard
* jaxrs whiteboard + jpa (web profile like)
* http whiteboard only
* amq
* amq + jpa
* kafka
* kafka + jpa
* pulsar
* pulsar + jpa
* ...
(and all potential matrix)
Since features were designed to avoid that I think it makes sens to avoid
to go that path, it would also be consistent with the cloud spirit - even
if the move is not actual most companies target some cloud mindset, in
particular a better dep control - which means lighter distros.
Hope it makes sense.
Romain Manni-Bucau
@rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
<https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
<http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book
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Le jeu. 19 janv. 2023 à 09:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
écrit :
> Hi Romain,
>
> It's a request to move "natively" to Karaf: most SMX users already
> moved to Karaf, but they asked for a ready to go distribution. The few
> SMX uses are looking for a similar distribution in Karaf (just to
> avoid creating a distribution themselves).
>
> So, I see more as a new distribution in the Karaf OSGi runtime project
> than a new subproject.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:49 PM Romain Manni-Bucau
> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi JB,
> >
> > Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this
> is
> > just about killing smix project officially.
> >
> > Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
> > features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and
> almost
> > a subproject.
> >
> >
> > Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
> > écrit :
> >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> > > parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
> > >
> > > As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> > > Karaf assembly.
> > >
> > > Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> > > (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> > > (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
> > >
> > > I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> > > apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> > > Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> > > Concretely, it means:
> > > - we will have integration features repository XML
> > > - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> > > - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
> > >
> > > If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> > > have almost all ready :)).
> > >
> > > Thoughts ?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > >
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi JB,
Whereas I can understand the intent I also see it will be hard because:
1. Default distro never matches well (even smix got custom distro)
2. Features are there for that exact need
If I rephrase my point I guess the request looks more like "get us back
what vendors abandon" but this was mainly about support and contracts, here
we'll not get that so it looks to me we already provide that: karaf +
features (+ optionally custom build if really needed).
Not sticking to that sounds like you will get like hundreds of distro -
without thinking too hard I see:
* cloud one (prometheus/health/log/...)
* jaxrs whiteboard
* jaxrs whiteboard + jpa (web profile like)
* http whiteboard only
* amq
* amq + jpa
* kafka
* kafka + jpa
* pulsar
* pulsar + jpa
* ...
(and all potential matrix)
Since features were designed to avoid that I think it makes sens to avoid
to go that path, it would also be consistent with the cloud spirit - even
if the move is not actual most companies target some cloud mindset, in
particular a better dep control - which means lighter distros.
Hope it makes sense.
Romain Manni-Bucau
@rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
<https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
<http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book
<https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance>
Le jeu. 19 janv. 2023 à 09:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
écrit :
> Hi Romain,
>
> It's a request to move "natively" to Karaf: most SMX users already
> moved to Karaf, but they asked for a ready to go distribution. The few
> SMX uses are looking for a similar distribution in Karaf (just to
> avoid creating a distribution themselves).
>
> So, I see more as a new distribution in the Karaf OSGi runtime project
> than a new subproject.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:49 PM Romain Manni-Bucau
> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi JB,
> >
> > Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this
> is
> > just about killing smix project officially.
> >
> > Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
> > features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and
> almost
> > a subproject.
> >
> >
> > Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
> > écrit :
> >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> > > parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
> > >
> > > As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> > > Karaf assembly.
> > >
> > > Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> > > (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> > > (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
> > >
> > > I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> > > apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> > > Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> > > Concretely, it means:
> > > - we will have integration features repository XML
> > > - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> > > - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
> > >
> > > If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> > > have almost all ready :)).
> > >
> > > Thoughts ?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > >
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Romain,
It's a request to move "natively" to Karaf: most SMX users already
moved to Karaf, but they asked for a ready to go distribution. The few
SMX uses are looking for a similar distribution in Karaf (just to
avoid creating a distribution themselves).
So, I see more as a new distribution in the Karaf OSGi runtime project
than a new subproject.
Regards
JB
On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:49 PM Romain Manni-Bucau
<rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi JB,
>
> Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this is
> just about killing smix project officially.
>
> Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
> features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and almost
> a subproject.
>
>
> Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
> écrit :
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> > parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
> >
> > As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> > Karaf assembly.
> >
> > Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> > (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> > (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
> >
> > I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> > apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> > Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> > Concretely, it means:
> > - we will have integration features repository XML
> > - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> > - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
> >
> > If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> > have almost all ready :)).
> >
> > Thoughts ?
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Romain,
It's a request to move "natively" to Karaf: most SMX users already
moved to Karaf, but they asked for a ready to go distribution. The few
SMX uses are looking for a similar distribution in Karaf (just to
avoid creating a distribution themselves).
So, I see more as a new distribution in the Karaf OSGi runtime project
than a new subproject.
Regards
JB
On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:49 PM Romain Manni-Bucau
<rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi JB,
>
> Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this is
> just about killing smix project officially.
>
> Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
> features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and almost
> a subproject.
>
>
> Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
> écrit :
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> > parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
> >
> > As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> > Karaf assembly.
> >
> > Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> > (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> > (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
> >
> > I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> > apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> > Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> > Concretely, it means:
> > - we will have integration features repository XML
> > - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> > - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
> >
> > If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> > have almost all ready :)).
> >
> > Thoughts ?
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Romain,
It's a request to move "natively" to Karaf: most SMX users already
moved to Karaf, but they asked for a ready to go distribution. The few
SMX uses are looking for a similar distribution in Karaf (just to
avoid creating a distribution themselves).
So, I see more as a new distribution in the Karaf OSGi runtime project
than a new subproject.
Regards
JB
On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:49 PM Romain Manni-Bucau
<rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi JB,
>
> Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this is
> just about killing smix project officially.
>
> Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
> features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and almost
> a subproject.
>
>
> Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
> écrit :
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> > parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
> >
> > As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> > Karaf assembly.
> >
> > Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> > (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> > (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
> >
> > I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> > apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> > Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> > Concretely, it means:
> > - we will have integration features repository XML
> > - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> > - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
> >
> > If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> > have almost all ready :)).
> >
> > Thoughts ?
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Romain,
It's a request to move "natively" to Karaf: most SMX users already
moved to Karaf, but they asked for a ready to go distribution. The few
SMX uses are looking for a similar distribution in Karaf (just to
avoid creating a distribution themselves).
So, I see more as a new distribution in the Karaf OSGi runtime project
than a new subproject.
Regards
JB
On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:49 PM Romain Manni-Bucau
<rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi JB,
>
> Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this is
> just about killing smix project officially.
>
> Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
> features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and almost
> a subproject.
>
>
> Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
> écrit :
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> > parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
> >
> > As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> > Karaf assembly.
> >
> > Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> > (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> > (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
> >
> > I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> > apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> > Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> > Concretely, it means:
> > - we will have integration features repository XML
> > - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> > - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
> >
> > If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> > have almost all ready :)).
> >
> > Thoughts ?
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi JB,
Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this is
just about killing smix project officially.
Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and almost
a subproject.
Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
écrit :
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Grzegorz Grzybek <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hello
I don't know much about SMX distributions (except SMX bundles), but having
a Karaf distro with ready-to-use Camel + CXF + ActiveMQ sounds like a good
idea.
regards
Grzegorz Grzybek
śr., 18 sty 2023 o 13:44 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> napisał(a):
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by fpapon <fp...@apache.org>.
Sounds good.
+1
regards,
François
On 18/01/2023 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
--
--
François
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Gerald Kallas <ca...@mailbox.org.INVALID>.
+1 from mine, like the proposal.
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> hat am 18.01.2023 13:44 CET geschrieben:
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by "Sobkowiak, Krzysztof" <kr...@gmail.com>.
+1 (binding)
I think, it's time to do this step. It's a difficult for me to say it
after many years of contribution in this community. I think the idea of
ServiceMix as oss integration platform was great but it is simply in a
long agony actually. I think it has a chance to survive in the Karaf
community.
When there are any features of current SMX distribution which will be
not part of the integration distro (to not to make it too complicated)
but are worth to survive, they can be simply described in a
documentation as set of how-tos.
Best regards
Krzysztof
On 18.01.2023 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi JB,
Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this is
just about killing smix project officially.
Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and almost
a subproject.
Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
écrit :
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Grzegorz Grzybek <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hello
I don't know much about SMX distributions (except SMX bundles), but having
a Karaf distro with ready-to-use Camel + CXF + ActiveMQ sounds like a good
idea.
regards
Grzegorz Grzybek
śr., 18 sty 2023 o 13:44 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> napisał(a):
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Nicolas Filotto <nf...@talend.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
________________________________
From: Jean-Baptiste Onofr? <jb...@nanthrax.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 13:44
To: dev <de...@karaf.apache.org>; user <us...@karaf.apache.org>; dev@servicemix.apache.org <de...@servicemix.apache.org>; users@servicemix.apache.org <us...@servicemix.apache.org>
Subject: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Hi guys,
The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
Karaf assembly.
Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
(apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
(apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
Concretely, it means:
- we will have integration features repository XML
- we will have a distribution based on this features repository
- we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
have almost all ready :)).
Thoughts ?
Regards
JB
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Ephemeris Lappis <ep...@gmail.com>.
+1
I think this could be a good solution to get a "ready to use" platform
as SMX was. Many customers and I had been using SMX for years, for this
rich integrated quality.
Nevertheless, I'm not sure this will be a "miracle" solution. My last
and current works are all about migrating a customer's applications
system from a very old RedHat Fuse (some kind of complex system based on
SMX) to a "hand made" platform based on the last Karaf and Camel
versions (ActiveMQ is also used, but will be deployed as a separate
middle-ware), building our own features to provide what was, more or
less, out of the shelf in SMX.
This is a rather painful work, but doing that we aim to be able to
maintain Karaf, Camel and other components depending on out needs,
upgrading what is necessary when kit's necessary.
I remember in the past having working on a failed project for replacing
the Camel version in SMX, that was not so easy as it looked like.
What upgrading strategy do you imagine for Karaf, Camel, CXF, etc. ?
Migrating from our old Camel 2.X to 3.X we discovered a lot of
differences (small ones or bigger ones), deprecated or removed
components... Do you plan to provide with each last Karaf, the last Camel ?
I'm going to follow up your discussion on this topic...
Ephemeris Lappis
Le 18/01/2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré a écrit :
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi JB,
Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this is
just about killing smix project officially.
Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and almost
a subproject.
Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
écrit :
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Nicolas Filotto <nf...@talend.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
________________________________
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 13:44
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Subject: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Hi guys,
The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
Karaf assembly.
Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
(apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
(apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
Concretely, it means:
- we will have integration features repository XML
- we will have a distribution based on this features repository
- we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
have almost all ready :)).
Thoughts ?
Regards
JB
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Ephemeris Lappis <ep...@gmail.com>.
+1
I think this could be a good solution to get a "ready to use" platform
as SMX was. Many customers and I had been using SMX for years, for this
rich integrated quality.
Nevertheless, I'm not sure this will be a "miracle" solution. My last
and current works are all about migrating a customer's applications
system from a very old RedHat Fuse (some kind of complex system based on
SMX) to a "hand made" platform based on the last Karaf and Camel
versions (ActiveMQ is also used, but will be deployed as a separate
middle-ware), building our own features to provide what was, more or
less, out of the shelf in SMX.
This is a rather painful work, but doing that we aim to be able to
maintain Karaf, Camel and other components depending on out needs,
upgrading what is necessary when kit's necessary.
I remember in the past having working on a failed project for replacing
the Camel version in SMX, that was not so easy as it looked like.
What upgrading strategy do you imagine for Karaf, Camel, CXF, etc. ?
Migrating from our old Camel 2.X to 3.X we discovered a lot of
differences (small ones or bigger ones), deprecated or removed
components... Do you plan to provide with each last Karaf, the last Camel ?
I'm going to follow up your discussion on this topic...
Ephemeris Lappis
Le 18/01/2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré a écrit :
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi JB,
Is there a community behind or did people already moved to Karaf so this is
just about killing smix project officially.
Trying to see if it is mainly about having really itests and enriching
features.xml (theorically nothing new) or creating a new distro and almost
a subproject.
Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> a
écrit :
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Grzegorz Grzybek <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hello
I don't know much about SMX distributions (except SMX bundles), but having
a Karaf distro with ready-to-use Camel + CXF + ActiveMQ sounds like a good
idea.
regards
Grzegorz Grzybek
śr., 18 sty 2023 o 13:44 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> napisał(a):
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by fpapon <fp...@apache.org>.
Sounds good.
+1
regards,
François
On 18/01/2023 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
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--
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Create integration (ServiceMix like) distribution in Karaf OSGi runtime
Posted by Gerald Kallas via user <us...@karaf.apache.org>.
+1 from mine, like the proposal.
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> hat am 18.01.2023 13:44 CET geschrieben:
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>
> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
> Karaf assembly.
>
> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>
> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
> Concretely, it means:
> - we will have integration features repository XML
> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>
> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
> have almost all ready :)).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB