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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> on 2017/05/01 21:55:36 UTC
Re: [PROPOSAL] Pulsar - proposal for Apache Incubation
Hi -
I had a discussion with Joe and another gentleman involved in Pulsar.
They asked how long incubation takes. I answered that it depends. We reviewed some of the steps needed in Incubation particularly:
- Release process with correct LICENSE and NOTICE
- Community building requirement - especially accepting and promoting someone new from outside the initial committers.
- Everything on the ML meaning decisions which might be made in conversation need to be there for a review over a few rotations of the planet. I mentioned BFDLs not being what is wanted and told the 10 year old story of POI’s OOXML flame.
- Build infrastructure questions regarding unit tests some of which will be preferred on clusters. Some are currently proprietary. I’m not sure what Apache Infra currently supports so negotiation is required.
I think that there is a good chance for a diverse community that will not be wholly dependent on Yahoo.
End result - I am willing to sign up as a Mentor for Pulsar.
Regards,
Dave
> On Apr 28, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> I am trying to decide if I personally wish to mentor Pulsar and will be asking technical questions. IMO this is not appropriate to an Incubator discussion. Anything that surfaces that is appropriate can be brought back to this discussion.
>
> There is no intension to subvert Incubator process.
>
> I certainly understand asynchronous global teams. I've spent many years working with development teams in Moscow and India.
>
> We can have a separate discussion about how misunderstandings can cause email threads to totally blow up.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 4:20 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry but I'm a bit dumb founded by this part of the thread. I'll
>> apologize up front for my bluntness.
>>
>> In the incubator, we're trying to teach projects to deal with asynchronous
>> communication. The last thing we should be doing is encouraging phone
>> calls/real time meetings. If there are technical questions, and you feel
>> they need to be answered prior to starting incubation that's perfectly fine
>> - but try to get the answers in ways we would expect, via public mailing
>> lists.
>>
>> John
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:17 PM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> I am in California and could do a webex this Monday.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 1:41 AM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 26.04.2017 23:19, Joe Francis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We would like to submit the Pulsar proposal to the incubator. Our
>>> draft is
>>>>> available at:
>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PulsarProposal
>>>>>
>>>>> A quick overview of Pulsar:
>>>>>
>>>>> Pulsar is a highly scalable, low latency messaging platform running on
>>>>> commodity hardware. It provides simple pub-sub semantics over topics,
>>>>> guaranteed at-least-once delivery of messages, automatic cursor
>>> management for
>>>>> subscribers, and cross-datacenter replication.
>>>>
>>>> Without really knowing the details of a messaging platform and even with
>>> the danger of comparing apples and oranges... how would you compare for
>>> example hazelcast based messaging to pulsar?
>>>>
>>>> bye Jochen
>>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Pulsar - proposal for Apache Incubation
Posted by Dheeban Govindarajan <sg...@gmail.com>.
Hi Taylor,
Thanks for the information. Will check the details out from the website. I
went through once. Also,will follow this conversation. Its good to learn
this process anyway.
Thanks,
Dheeban
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 7:28 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dheeban,
>
> tl;dr;: You've kind of stumbled into an early procedural process for
> adding new ASF projects, but your interest is very much appreciated.
>
> That's great that you want to get involved! One of the important things
> new/potential Apache projects need to do is develop a community. Your
> interest is a good sign.
>
> At this point the project is an a proposal phase. If the proposal
> discussion is positive (meaning most IPMC members appear to support
> incubating the project), it will move on to a vote. If the vote passes, the
> project will be bootstrapped: code imported, mailing lists and bug tracker
> created, website domain registered, etc.
>
> Admittedly, our documentation can be bit hard to navigate, but I assume
> that you're aware of the ASF Incubator website [1] since you are subscribed
> to this list. Perusing that site will give you more insight into what the
> Incubator is about and how the ASF works.
>
> -Taylor
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/
>
> > On May 11, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Dheeban Govindarajan <sg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Team,
> >
> > I am newbie in the open-source contribution world. I have not actively
> > contributed to any open source code base, but am interested in being a
> part
> > of this one. I have used a lot of open source code. Have debugged some
> open
> > source code, out of curiosity, have always wondered how such big software
> > gets built in a distributed fashion.
> >
> > Not even sure, if this is the right forum. Please excuse if its not. I
> see
> > this project is in proposal phase, please let me know, if any coding help
> > is required. Would like to be part of a project such as this, and learn
> > something, and contribute as well. Just a bit of background, I am a
> > Software Engineer at eBay, have 5+ years experience coding large scale
> > projects.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dheeban
> >
> >> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:11 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 11, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I added the 3 mentors to the Wiki. Should we put it up for a vote now?
> >>>
> >>> -Bryan
> >>
> >> Discussion has died down and the project has enough mentors, so I would
> >> say go ahead.
> >>
> >> -Taylor
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Pulsar - proposal for Apache Incubation
Posted by "P. Taylor Goetz" <pt...@gmail.com>.
Hi Dheeban,
tl;dr;: You've kind of stumbled into an early procedural process for adding new ASF projects, but your interest is very much appreciated.
That's great that you want to get involved! One of the important things new/potential Apache projects need to do is develop a community. Your interest is a good sign.
At this point the project is an a proposal phase. If the proposal discussion is positive (meaning most IPMC members appear to support incubating the project), it will move on to a vote. If the vote passes, the project will be bootstrapped: code imported, mailing lists and bug tracker created, website domain registered, etc.
Admittedly, our documentation can be bit hard to navigate, but I assume that you're aware of the ASF Incubator website [1] since you are subscribed to this list. Perusing that site will give you more insight into what the Incubator is about and how the ASF works.
-Taylor
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/
> On May 11, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Dheeban Govindarajan <sg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Team,
>
> I am newbie in the open-source contribution world. I have not actively
> contributed to any open source code base, but am interested in being a part
> of this one. I have used a lot of open source code. Have debugged some open
> source code, out of curiosity, have always wondered how such big software
> gets built in a distributed fashion.
>
> Not even sure, if this is the right forum. Please excuse if its not. I see
> this project is in proposal phase, please let me know, if any coding help
> is required. Would like to be part of a project such as this, and learn
> something, and contribute as well. Just a bit of background, I am a
> Software Engineer at eBay, have 5+ years experience coding large scale
> projects.
>
> Thanks
> Dheeban
>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:11 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On May 11, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I added the 3 mentors to the Wiki. Should we put it up for a vote now?
>>>
>>> -Bryan
>>
>> Discussion has died down and the project has enough mentors, so I would
>> say go ahead.
>>
>> -Taylor
Re: [PROPOSAL] Pulsar - proposal for Apache Incubation
Posted by Dheeban Govindarajan <sg...@gmail.com>.
Hi Team,
I am newbie in the open-source contribution world. I have not actively
contributed to any open source code base, but am interested in being a part
of this one. I have used a lot of open source code. Have debugged some open
source code, out of curiosity, have always wondered how such big software
gets built in a distributed fashion.
Not even sure, if this is the right forum. Please excuse if its not. I see
this project is in proposal phase, please let me know, if any coding help
is required. Would like to be part of a project such as this, and learn
something, and contribute as well. Just a bit of background, I am a
Software Engineer at eBay, have 5+ years experience coding large scale
projects.
Thanks
Dheeban
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 1:11 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 11, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > I added the 3 mentors to the Wiki. Should we put it up for a vote now?
> >
> > -Bryan
>
> Discussion has died down and the project has enough mentors, so I would
> say go ahead.
>
> -Taylor
Re: [PROPOSAL] Pulsar - proposal for Apache Incubation
Posted by "P. Taylor Goetz" <pt...@gmail.com>.
> On May 11, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I added the 3 mentors to the Wiki. Should we put it up for a vote now?
>
> -Bryan
Discussion has died down and the project has enough mentors, so I would say go ahead.
-Taylor
Re: [PROPOSAL] Pulsar - proposal for Apache Incubation
Posted by Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org>.
I added the 3 mentors to the Wiki. Should we put it up for a vote now?
-Bryan
> On May 11, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Matteo Merli <mm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Great to hear that!
>
> We will update the proposal wiki.
>
> Matteo
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I’d be willing to mentor as well.
>>
>> -Taylor
>>
>>
>>> On May 11, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All -
>>>
>>> That's 2 mentors. Is there a third?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 6, 2017, at 7:10 AM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> To be clear, yes, I would.
>>>>
>>>>> On May 5, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi -
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else interested in mentoring?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 1, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a discussion with Joe and another gentleman involved in Pulsar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They asked how long incubation takes. I answered that it depends. We
>> reviewed some of the steps needed in Incubation particularly:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Release process with correct LICENSE and NOTICE
>>>>>> - Community building requirement - especially accepting and promoting
>> someone new from outside the initial committers.
>>>>>> - Everything on the ML meaning decisions which might be made in
>> conversation need to be there for a review over a few rotations of the
>> planet. I mentioned BFDLs not being what is wanted and told the 10 year old
>> story of POI’s OOXML flame.
>>>>>> - Build infrastructure questions regarding unit tests some of which
>> will be preferred on clusters. Some are currently proprietary. I’m not sure
>> what Apache Infra currently supports so negotiation is required.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that there is a good chance for a diverse community that will
>> not be wholly dependent on Yahoo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> End result - I am willing to sign up as a Mentor for Pulsar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am trying to decide if I personally wish to mentor Pulsar and will
>> be asking technical questions. IMO this is not appropriate to an Incubator
>> discussion. Anything that surfaces that is appropriate can be brought back
>> to this discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no intension to subvert Incubator process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I certainly understand asynchronous global teams. I've spent many
>> years working with development teams in Moscow and India.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can have a separate discussion about how misunderstandings can
>> cause email threads to totally blow up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 4:20 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sorry but I'm a bit dumb founded by this part of the thread.
>> I'll
>>>>>>>> apologize up front for my bluntness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the incubator, we're trying to teach projects to deal with
>> asynchronous
>>>>>>>> communication. The last thing we should be doing is encouraging
>> phone
>>>>>>>> calls/real time meetings. If there are technical questions, and
>> you feel
>>>>>>>> they need to be answered prior to starting incubation that's
>> perfectly fine
>>>>>>>> - but try to get the answers in ways we would expect, via public
>> mailing
>>>>>>>> lists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:17 PM Dave Fisher <
>> dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am in California and could do a webex this Monday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 1:41 AM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 26.04.2017 23:19, Joe Francis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We would like to submit the Pulsar proposal to the incubator.
>> Our
>>>>>>>>> draft is
>>>>>>>>>>> available at:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PulsarProposal
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A quick overview of Pulsar:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pulsar is a highly scalable, low latency messaging platform
>> running on
>>>>>>>>>>> commodity hardware. It provides simple pub-sub semantics over
>> topics,
>>>>>>>>>>> guaranteed at-least-once delivery of messages, automatic cursor
>>>>>>>>> management for
>>>>>>>>>>> subscribers, and cross-datacenter replication.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Without really knowing the details of a messaging platform and
>> even with
>>>>>>>>> the danger of comparing apples and oranges... how would you
>> compare for
>>>>>>>>> example hazelcast based messaging to pulsar?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bye Jochen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> general-help@incubator.apache.org
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Pulsar - proposal for Apache Incubation
Posted by Matteo Merli <mm...@apache.org>.
Great to hear that!
We will update the proposal wiki.
Matteo
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM P. Taylor Goetz <pt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I’d be willing to mentor as well.
>
> -Taylor
>
>
> > On May 11, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All -
> >
> > That's 2 mentors. Is there a third?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 6, 2017, at 7:10 AM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> To be clear, yes, I would.
> >>
> >>> On May 5, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi -
> >>>
> >>> Anyone else interested in mentoring?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On May 1, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi -
> >>>>
> >>>> I had a discussion with Joe and another gentleman involved in Pulsar.
> >>>>
> >>>> They asked how long incubation takes. I answered that it depends. We
> reviewed some of the steps needed in Incubation particularly:
> >>>>
> >>>> - Release process with correct LICENSE and NOTICE
> >>>> - Community building requirement - especially accepting and promoting
> someone new from outside the initial committers.
> >>>> - Everything on the ML meaning decisions which might be made in
> conversation need to be there for a review over a few rotations of the
> planet. I mentioned BFDLs not being what is wanted and told the 10 year old
> story of POI’s OOXML flame.
> >>>> - Build infrastructure questions regarding unit tests some of which
> will be preferred on clusters. Some are currently proprietary. I’m not sure
> what Apache Infra currently supports so negotiation is required.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think that there is a good chance for a diverse community that will
> not be wholly dependent on Yahoo.
> >>>>
> >>>> End result - I am willing to sign up as a Mentor for Pulsar.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Dave
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi John,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am trying to decide if I personally wish to mentor Pulsar and will
> be asking technical questions. IMO this is not appropriate to an Incubator
> discussion. Anything that surfaces that is appropriate can be brought back
> to this discussion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is no intension to subvert Incubator process.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I certainly understand asynchronous global teams. I've spent many
> years working with development teams in Moscow and India.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We can have a separate discussion about how misunderstandings can
> cause email threads to totally blow up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 4:20 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm sorry but I'm a bit dumb founded by this part of the thread.
> I'll
> >>>>>> apologize up front for my bluntness.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the incubator, we're trying to teach projects to deal with
> asynchronous
> >>>>>> communication. The last thing we should be doing is encouraging
> phone
> >>>>>> calls/real time meetings. If there are technical questions, and
> you feel
> >>>>>> they need to be answered prior to starting incubation that's
> perfectly fine
> >>>>>> - but try to get the answers in ways we would expect, via public
> mailing
> >>>>>> lists.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:17 PM Dave Fisher <
> dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi -
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am in California and could do a webex this Monday.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 1:41 AM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 26.04.2017 23:19, Joe Francis wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We would like to submit the Pulsar proposal to the incubator.
> Our
> >>>>>>> draft is
> >>>>>>>>> available at:
> >>>>>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PulsarProposal
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> A quick overview of Pulsar:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Pulsar is a highly scalable, low latency messaging platform
> running on
> >>>>>>>>> commodity hardware. It provides simple pub-sub semantics over
> topics,
> >>>>>>>>> guaranteed at-least-once delivery of messages, automatic cursor
> >>>>>>> management for
> >>>>>>>>> subscribers, and cross-datacenter replication.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Without really knowing the details of a messaging platform and
> even with
> >>>>>>> the danger of comparing apples and oranges... how would you
> compare for
> >>>>>>> example hazelcast based messaging to pulsar?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> bye Jochen
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> general-help@incubator.apache.org
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Pulsar - proposal for Apache Incubation
Posted by "P. Taylor Goetz" <pt...@gmail.com>.
I’d be willing to mentor as well.
-Taylor
> On May 11, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hi All -
>
> That's 2 mentors. Is there a third?
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 6, 2017, at 7:10 AM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com> wrote:
>>
>> To be clear, yes, I would.
>>
>>> On May 5, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> Anyone else interested in mentoring?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 1, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi -
>>>>
>>>> I had a discussion with Joe and another gentleman involved in Pulsar.
>>>>
>>>> They asked how long incubation takes. I answered that it depends. We reviewed some of the steps needed in Incubation particularly:
>>>>
>>>> - Release process with correct LICENSE and NOTICE
>>>> - Community building requirement - especially accepting and promoting someone new from outside the initial committers.
>>>> - Everything on the ML meaning decisions which might be made in conversation need to be there for a review over a few rotations of the planet. I mentioned BFDLs not being what is wanted and told the 10 year old story of POI’s OOXML flame.
>>>> - Build infrastructure questions regarding unit tests some of which will be preferred on clusters. Some are currently proprietary. I’m not sure what Apache Infra currently supports so negotiation is required.
>>>>
>>>> I think that there is a good chance for a diverse community that will not be wholly dependent on Yahoo.
>>>>
>>>> End result - I am willing to sign up as a Mentor for Pulsar.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to decide if I personally wish to mentor Pulsar and will be asking technical questions. IMO this is not appropriate to an Incubator discussion. Anything that surfaces that is appropriate can be brought back to this discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no intension to subvert Incubator process.
>>>>>
>>>>> I certainly understand asynchronous global teams. I've spent many years working with development teams in Moscow and India.
>>>>>
>>>>> We can have a separate discussion about how misunderstandings can cause email threads to totally blow up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 4:20 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry but I'm a bit dumb founded by this part of the thread. I'll
>>>>>> apologize up front for my bluntness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the incubator, we're trying to teach projects to deal with asynchronous
>>>>>> communication. The last thing we should be doing is encouraging phone
>>>>>> calls/real time meetings. If there are technical questions, and you feel
>>>>>> they need to be answered prior to starting incubation that's perfectly fine
>>>>>> - but try to get the answers in ways we would expect, via public mailing
>>>>>> lists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:17 PM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am in California and could do a webex this Monday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 1:41 AM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 26.04.2017 23:19, Joe Francis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We would like to submit the Pulsar proposal to the incubator. Our
>>>>>>> draft is
>>>>>>>>> available at:
>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PulsarProposal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A quick overview of Pulsar:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pulsar is a highly scalable, low latency messaging platform running on
>>>>>>>>> commodity hardware. It provides simple pub-sub semantics over topics,
>>>>>>>>> guaranteed at-least-once delivery of messages, automatic cursor
>>>>>>> management for
>>>>>>>>> subscribers, and cross-datacenter replication.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Without really knowing the details of a messaging platform and even with
>>>>>>> the danger of comparing apples and oranges... how would you compare for
>>>>>>> example hazelcast based messaging to pulsar?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bye Jochen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Pulsar - proposal for Apache Incubation
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi All -
That's 2 mentors. Is there a third?
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 6, 2017, at 7:10 AM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com> wrote:
>
> To be clear, yes, I would.
>
>> On May 5, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>> Anyone else interested in mentoring?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 1, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> I had a discussion with Joe and another gentleman involved in Pulsar.
>>>
>>> They asked how long incubation takes. I answered that it depends. We reviewed some of the steps needed in Incubation particularly:
>>>
>>> - Release process with correct LICENSE and NOTICE
>>> - Community building requirement - especially accepting and promoting someone new from outside the initial committers.
>>> - Everything on the ML meaning decisions which might be made in conversation need to be there for a review over a few rotations of the planet. I mentioned BFDLs not being what is wanted and told the 10 year old story of POI’s OOXML flame.
>>> - Build infrastructure questions regarding unit tests some of which will be preferred on clusters. Some are currently proprietary. I’m not sure what Apache Infra currently supports so negotiation is required.
>>>
>>> I think that there is a good chance for a diverse community that will not be wholly dependent on Yahoo.
>>>
>>> End result - I am willing to sign up as a Mentor for Pulsar.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to decide if I personally wish to mentor Pulsar and will be asking technical questions. IMO this is not appropriate to an Incubator discussion. Anything that surfaces that is appropriate can be brought back to this discussion.
>>>>
>>>> There is no intension to subvert Incubator process.
>>>>
>>>> I certainly understand asynchronous global teams. I've spent many years working with development teams in Moscow and India.
>>>>
>>>> We can have a separate discussion about how misunderstandings can cause email threads to totally blow up.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 4:20 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry but I'm a bit dumb founded by this part of the thread. I'll
>>>>> apologize up front for my bluntness.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the incubator, we're trying to teach projects to deal with asynchronous
>>>>> communication. The last thing we should be doing is encouraging phone
>>>>> calls/real time meetings. If there are technical questions, and you feel
>>>>> they need to be answered prior to starting incubation that's perfectly fine
>>>>> - but try to get the answers in ways we would expect, via public mailing
>>>>> lists.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:17 PM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am in California and could do a webex this Monday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 1:41 AM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26.04.2017 23:19, Joe Francis wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We would like to submit the Pulsar proposal to the incubator. Our
>>>>>> draft is
>>>>>>>> available at:
>>>>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PulsarProposal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A quick overview of Pulsar:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pulsar is a highly scalable, low latency messaging platform running on
>>>>>>>> commodity hardware. It provides simple pub-sub semantics over topics,
>>>>>>>> guaranteed at-least-once delivery of messages, automatic cursor
>>>>>> management for
>>>>>>>> subscribers, and cross-datacenter replication.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Without really knowing the details of a messaging platform and even with
>>>>>> the danger of comparing apples and oranges... how would you compare for
>>>>>> example hazelcast based messaging to pulsar?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bye Jochen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Pulsar - proposal for Apache Incubation
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
To be clear, yes, I would.
> On May 5, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> Anyone else interested in mentoring?
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 1, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>> I had a discussion with Joe and another gentleman involved in Pulsar.
>>
>> They asked how long incubation takes. I answered that it depends. We reviewed some of the steps needed in Incubation particularly:
>>
>> - Release process with correct LICENSE and NOTICE
>> - Community building requirement - especially accepting and promoting someone new from outside the initial committers.
>> - Everything on the ML meaning decisions which might be made in conversation need to be there for a review over a few rotations of the planet. I mentioned BFDLs not being what is wanted and told the 10 year old story of POI’s OOXML flame.
>> - Build infrastructure questions regarding unit tests some of which will be preferred on clusters. Some are currently proprietary. I’m not sure what Apache Infra currently supports so negotiation is required.
>>
>> I think that there is a good chance for a diverse community that will not be wholly dependent on Yahoo.
>>
>> End result - I am willing to sign up as a Mentor for Pulsar.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> I am trying to decide if I personally wish to mentor Pulsar and will be asking technical questions. IMO this is not appropriate to an Incubator discussion. Anything that surfaces that is appropriate can be brought back to this discussion.
>>>
>>> There is no intension to subvert Incubator process.
>>>
>>> I certainly understand asynchronous global teams. I've spent many years working with development teams in Moscow and India.
>>>
>>> We can have a separate discussion about how misunderstandings can cause email threads to totally blow up.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 4:20 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry but I'm a bit dumb founded by this part of the thread. I'll
>>>> apologize up front for my bluntness.
>>>>
>>>> In the incubator, we're trying to teach projects to deal with asynchronous
>>>> communication. The last thing we should be doing is encouraging phone
>>>> calls/real time meetings. If there are technical questions, and you feel
>>>> they need to be answered prior to starting incubation that's perfectly fine
>>>> - but try to get the answers in ways we would expect, via public mailing
>>>> lists.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:17 PM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi -
>>>>>
>>>>> I am in California and could do a webex this Monday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 1:41 AM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26.04.2017 23:19, Joe Francis wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We would like to submit the Pulsar proposal to the incubator. Our
>>>>> draft is
>>>>>>> available at:
>>>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PulsarProposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A quick overview of Pulsar:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pulsar is a highly scalable, low latency messaging platform running on
>>>>>>> commodity hardware. It provides simple pub-sub semantics over topics,
>>>>>>> guaranteed at-least-once delivery of messages, automatic cursor
>>>>> management for
>>>>>>> subscribers, and cross-datacenter replication.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Without really knowing the details of a messaging platform and even with
>>>>> the danger of comparing apples and oranges... how would you compare for
>>>>> example hazelcast based messaging to pulsar?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bye Jochen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Pulsar - proposal for Apache Incubation
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi -
Anyone else interested in mentoring?
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 1, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> I had a discussion with Joe and another gentleman involved in Pulsar.
>
> They asked how long incubation takes. I answered that it depends. We reviewed some of the steps needed in Incubation particularly:
>
> - Release process with correct LICENSE and NOTICE
> - Community building requirement - especially accepting and promoting someone new from outside the initial committers.
> - Everything on the ML meaning decisions which might be made in conversation need to be there for a review over a few rotations of the planet. I mentioned BFDLs not being what is wanted and told the 10 year old story of POI’s OOXML flame.
> - Build infrastructure questions regarding unit tests some of which will be preferred on clusters. Some are currently proprietary. I’m not sure what Apache Infra currently supports so negotiation is required.
>
> I think that there is a good chance for a diverse community that will not be wholly dependent on Yahoo.
>
> End result - I am willing to sign up as a Mentor for Pulsar.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I am trying to decide if I personally wish to mentor Pulsar and will be asking technical questions. IMO this is not appropriate to an Incubator discussion. Anything that surfaces that is appropriate can be brought back to this discussion.
>>
>> There is no intension to subvert Incubator process.
>>
>> I certainly understand asynchronous global teams. I've spent many years working with development teams in Moscow and India.
>>
>> We can have a separate discussion about how misunderstandings can cause email threads to totally blow up.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 4:20 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sorry but I'm a bit dumb founded by this part of the thread. I'll
>>> apologize up front for my bluntness.
>>>
>>> In the incubator, we're trying to teach projects to deal with asynchronous
>>> communication. The last thing we should be doing is encouraging phone
>>> calls/real time meetings. If there are technical questions, and you feel
>>> they need to be answered prior to starting incubation that's perfectly fine
>>> - but try to get the answers in ways we would expect, via public mailing
>>> lists.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:17 PM Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi -
>>>>
>>>> I am in California and could do a webex this Monday.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 1:41 AM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26.04.2017 23:19, Joe Francis wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We would like to submit the Pulsar proposal to the incubator. Our
>>>> draft is
>>>>>> available at:
>>>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PulsarProposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A quick overview of Pulsar:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pulsar is a highly scalable, low latency messaging platform running on
>>>>>> commodity hardware. It provides simple pub-sub semantics over topics,
>>>>>> guaranteed at-least-once delivery of messages, automatic cursor
>>>> management for
>>>>>> subscribers, and cross-datacenter replication.
>>>>>
>>>>> Without really knowing the details of a messaging platform and even with
>>>> the danger of comparing apples and oranges... how would you compare for
>>>> example hazelcast based messaging to pulsar?
>>>>>
>>>>> bye Jochen
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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