Re: [PMC:Proposal] Subversion Pilot

[Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>]

On Saturday 20 December 2003 01:18, Hamilton Verissimo de Oliveira (Engenharia 
- SPO) wrote:
> De: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:niclas@hedhman.org]
> > convince me to move away from CVS at this point in time.
>
> Sure. Or you just don't want to learn different commands arguments ;-)

There is a lot of small things...
1. Have to know/learn more than one system fulfilling the same need.
2. Whenever I "load up a new system", there are more things that needs to be 
installed to get it operational.
3. When I sit down at any developer station, I KNOW it has CVS, so again, a 
matter installing software when I just want to take a quick peek at something 
(jguild.com on dev@avalon now as an example).
4. Is there currently good support in Eclipse, Netbeans, JBuilder and IntelliJ 
IDEA? How stable is that work if any?
5. Knowledge among your colleagues... I have colleagues and friends who are 
wizards on CVS and I can ask them about any tricky bit (merging two branches 
into a new branch for instance) and know I get a very accurate answer.
6. TurtoiseCVS on Windows is pretty handy for Windows users. I doubt there is 
the same level of integration in subversion.

I think if I keep thinking about I can come up with half a dozen more "small 
items", which each is not a reason to use CVS, but adds up enough (for me) 
NOT to change. Suboptimal benefits doesn't improve my situation.

Honestly, I am probably just sick and tired of leaving on the "bleeding-edge" 
(I'm out of blood) from A to Z, when I don't have to. Maven being one such 
example. I am not happy with it, but now I have no choice.

How much meta data on files are we missing? I have never even thought about it 
before you list it as a feature.
Directories - agree - annoying, but you CAN clean up the server side every now 
and then.
Renames - big deal?, not too me.

My recent exposure to ClearCase also increases my fear that it is an 
over-engineered product, but I may be utterly wrong. I like the fact that 4 
commands does my daily job, not the 15 or so commands in CC.


Maybe I am just a old-fashioned re-actionist that doesn't belong in the 
high-tech industry ;o)


Niclas

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Re: [PMC:Proposal] Subversion Pilot

[Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>]

Niclas Hedhman wrote:

> My recent exposure to ClearCase also increases my fear that it is an 
> over-engineered product, but I may be utterly wrong. I like the fact that 4 
> commands does my daily job, not the 15 or so commands in CC.

I agree with your assessment of ClearCase.  However, I can say that SVN is
engineered more as an incremental change to CVS.  THere are differences in
the protocol (i.e. how the diffs are made), but many of the commands are
similar in SVN to CVS.  For example, the main difference between an update
with CVS and Subversion is the first three characters (i.e. svn instead of
cvs).

BTW, if you can help it--stick with base ClearCase and forget about UCM
ClearCase.  THere is more that can go wrong.

-- 

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
  deserve neither liberty nor safety."
                 - Benjamin Franklin


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